What changes have occurred for the 2024 models? Not much has changed so this video is still relevant. The main thing of note is the Austrian bikes now have TBI instead of TPI. We consistently found TPI models lacked grunt and riders were spending a lot of money to try and get similar performance to a carb model. However, the TBI seems to have resolved this. Hopefully it will prove to be more reliable than TPI too, which definitely had kinks that needed to be ironed out. IMPORTANT! I stated the standard 30 day warranty applies to KTM, GasGas and Husqvarna two strokes which is set by KTM head office. Please note that in Australia the distributor has chosen to run with a six month warranty on enduro TPI models (3 months on SX models) to match other brands! I did ring KTM, Husqvarna and GasGas dealers in Australia who all told me it was a 30 day warranty. But the Australian distributor assures me they have increased this to six months for Australian owners. OVER 100 FREE ENDURO TRAINING VIDS English not your first language? Subtitles in 30+ languages! Basic enduro skills playlist bit.ly/3BtOVyI Intermediate enduro skills playlist bit.ly/3HSkh4r Advanced enduro skills playlist bit.ly/3oNNeqF BIKE SETUP & RIDING GEAR Bike setup playlist: bit.ly/3sBar0i Protective gear playlist: bit.ly/34BYDTI Which bike should I buy? bit.ly/3gLTJG1 Knee protection playlist bit.ly/36fR4Cw OUR OTHER PLAYLISTS Reviews of bikes & products bit.ly/3GQCVrO All about helmets bit.ly/3sJxIgy Enduro philosophy! bit.ly/33meQeV 10 ways to hop logs bit.ly/3JqlOPx The weird side of enduro! bit.ly/3Js1ai2 Read our disclaimer first before attempting any techniques: bit.ly/2U0bgCy Become a supporter! www.crosstrainingenduro.com/cross-training-support-donations.html
In Australia I would think the ACCC would clean them up if they denied a warranty after only 6 months, let alone 30 days, on a product that cost well north of 10 gran. It explicitly says that the statutory warranty can extend past the manufactures warranty and the 'time limit' depends on the price and quality of the product. . . . unless KTM are going to claim their product is not quality :)
6 mths is much better than 1 true - but as this presenter says - it seems lots of tpi models are causeing issues within the 12 months and just beyond that none of the carb models had - and the 16 or 17 k price tag ???ouch
The Rieju are actually really good value. I just picked up a 300 Rieju after dealing with countless issues on my KTM TPI machine. I love the bike. Would never go back to TPI. So far no issues with my starter. My friend has almost 100 hours on his Rieju, and not a single issue with the starter or anything else.
Great to hear, Sarah! I know in quite a few countries they are significantly cheaper than the other brands but unfortunately the Aussie distributor set the price just below the others. Glad the starters have been okay. They generally should be as 'known issues' only occur in a certain number of cases. E.g. The majority of TPI owners are fine, but quite a few are tearing their hair out. When Beta had all its main bearing failures, it was happening to less than 10% of two strokes.
@@crosstrainingenduro Here in the states, it’s a good deal. Cheaper than the others, and has quality components. I really love how the bike rides as well. Which I feel is an unpopular opinion, as everyone seems to claim how nothing feels better than the newer batch of KTMs. Hopefully I never have to deal with starter issues, but the bike comes with a kicker stock which is a nice bonus. I couldn’t be happier!
Fell in love with TM some year ago and never looked back. For a scared old bastard like me the 144EN is perfect. Power enough, easy to flick around and best of all easy to pick up when I end up in the dirt…
I've got a 22 KTM 300 XCW with about 35 hours on it now and it has been flawless. Hope it stays that way. Most of my ride group uses these and really no major issues among the group.
I just purchased a 2022 TM300fi. Blew me away with what you get. It may be $ but it’s well worth it when you get the opportunity to work on and ride it. The materials and build quality are next level, and Ron from emu racing is a top bloke as well
I spoke to Ron the other day and still have to wait for mine to get here. Went with the carb so there are less things to go wrong. Where are you based?
I have 21 beta 300 race edition.. I love it .. been a great bike and looks great doing it ... like all hard riding a few bucks spent on protection parts and it's great .. I love the carb over the tpi.. feels too artificial on the tpi..
I've owned all the 2 stroke brands since 1972. You won't be disappointed in the Beta once it's set up right and all the fasteners have been inspected for tightness.
I'm riding an 2018 Sherco 300 SE 6 days. At 6"2 and 110 kg all I've done is change the springs. It lugs all day, 75 hours with no issues. Gonna keep it for a few more years.
I’ve been on a beta 2022 for four months by now. Awesome bike, great handle, its light and have an amazing low end power. Had absolute zero issues with it… i think the best choices on the market right now are Beta, Sherco and Tm
l have the 2022 model too, l love this bike, the engine is a monster on hard enduro tracks it looks like a trial bike..here in italy it's the cheapest bike too
@@thisisme7587 Where i live nobody had this issue with Beta, by the opposite… while ktm’s are with a waiting list for over 3 months, beta’s are in stock for every single model
My Beta 300rr is honestly amazing right now. Just picked it up a couple months ago and I have zero problems with it...amazing power and it's very smooth.
They are great bikes, Austin. And the majority of owners won't hit those electrical issues. And a good dealer usually goes over the bike and fixes everything the factory messes up in terms of missing parts, loose bolts, messy wiring etc.
I bought the 22 Rieju MR300 pro because of the hardcoat KYB suspension. It's a tractor, but if you twist the throttle something happens right effing now. I appreciate the electric start, but would buy a bike without a kickstart. I'm only 220 miles in, but it has been flawless and the suspension has needed nothing to cope with north Jersey terrain which is endless rocks. (FYI for the background)....) I'm 61, not slow, not fast, did earn my A card the hard way, five firsts in a row in class and five top 10 overall B. I don't suck, but I'm not fast A material. All the bikes are factually amazing, the amount of abuse they tolerate is unbelievable. Unless you're fast A or AA, you won't go wrong with any of these mounts.
50hrs on my 21 TM300EN carb. No issues. Absolutely love it and worth the bit extra you pay. It rips!!! And grunts! I do everything from MX to enduros on it and it handles it all with ease. Parts supply you say? Non issue in North America, TM Cross Shop out of California has everything you need OEM and aftermarket. They ship to my place on the east coast of Canada in 3 days! 25 years of riding and racing dirtbikes, I’m a TM guy now for life.
Great vid! My 21 300 EXC has 300 HARD hours on it. Second piston about to get changed. Not one single issue - starts first time every time. The most reliable bike I've owned. I disagree on the KTM reliability issues statement. Like any mechanical product, the number of issues is directly proportionate to the number of units out there. I don't have solid data (e.g. comparison of number of bikes sold versus number of issue bikes) but, if you look at how many people ride KTMs (youtube videos, facebook posts, etc.) versus the KTM issues forums, then I'd say it's very similar across the manufacturers that you are comparing in this video. Horses for courses - everyone has their own opinion I guess. Keep up the good work lads!
Great to hear you've had no issues! Yep, you need a really large sample group size to know if their genuine known issues or not. As mentioned, the majority of TPI owners won't get problems. But a very significant number do. This is based on KTM dealers facing shortages in top end parts due to the number of bikes seizing at low hours. It's also based on mechanic reports, one in particular said TPI bikes are his most common bike in the repair shop now. It was the same when roughly 5% of Beta two strokes were seizing main bearings a few years ago. 95% of riders were saying 'this must be bullshit!' because they and their mates hadn't hit any problems themselves.
I just bought a 2022 Beta 300 RR, and you nailed the reason in the first 20 seconds - "For the average dirt rider, all the available bikes are great. The bikes are much better than we will ever be." For me, I was just waiting for the right deal on any KTM/GasGas/Husqvarna, Sherco or Beta in 250 2t or 300 2t.
I picked up a clean 05 yz250 for $2500, I put a rec reg kit on it and got it registered. Much better value and much more fun than any of these new euro 2 strokes. Saving myself $12k + was a no brainer
beta 300rr. 8 reasons. ! 1 street legal. 2 oil injection. 3 carburetor. 4 Easiest starting. 5 lowest seat height. 6 best price by far. 7 six month warranty. 8 my buddys shop near me sells them and I got a great deal!!! Also they look the best and seem to be the Quietest! Maybe it was 10 reasons? Just a lot of good reasons
Picked up a 2022 beta 250 race edition about a month ago. Amazing bike. With a few little changes here and there (bar risers, new foot pegs)to make it “my bike” and it was perfect. Coming off a yz250f 2018 the beta feels way more flickable, light, and much easier to ride on technical and slower riding.
Yes! Yes! YES! Just bought a brand new 2023 Beta 300RR! It was a toss up between it and the Sherco. I liked the kickstart option on the Beta and the keihin carburetor and plush suspension for woods riding. Like yourself no fuel injected bikes or Japanese bikes on my radar also. Unfortunately, with close to 2 feet of snow here at the moment in frozen North Eastern Ontario, Canada, there won’t be a test ride for another month and a half.😢
I live in Cyprus, Europe and I ride hard enduro. After some serious thought I bought the Rieju MR300 Racing. It is cheaper here than all other similar competitor bikes and after riding it for a few months now I am very impressed. Amazing power delivery when needed but at the same time smooth with tremendous torque and low end grunt, clutch is very light and easy to control making things easier during hard technical terrain. Bike feels very light although it is slightly heavier than other brands. KYB suspension (no words needed),. Racing model doesn't have a cooling fan which I thought it would be an issue but surprisingly it does not overheat easily. Generally I haven't got any issues with the bike yet.
I am also after a new rieju to replace my old gasgas but there aren't any in Greece where I live, used or new. Did you get yours brand new in cyprus? Cheers Pandeli, enjoy you bike mate!
I have exclusively bought KTMs for the last 20 years, not because i am a brand snob, but because they were the best to ride, to own and to work on. Having said this, i would not but a new KTM, Husqvarna or Gas Gas. I dont want to deal with the extra hassles of TPI, or the taming of the power delivery. You buy a 2 stroke for the hit in the power. If you want a lounge chair then get a 4 stroke. I reckon i would jump on a new Sherco if i was in the market now. Great video. Thanks 👍👍
I loved my 2 x 300 4 stroke Shercos, but decided to see what all the fuss was with 2 strokes and bought the 21 model. The engine has amazing torque and is all but impossible to stall. The suspension works for me straight out of the crate with no mods and the bike is so easy to ride in technical terrain. It's far more accomplished than I'll ever be, but it is not a handful to ride either. Love it 👌
After 20 years of Yamaha, I bought a Sherco 300SEF 4t. Love the bottom end and don't think another 4T can touch it in the nasty. I did have some charging issues fixed under warranty. Can't say if it was the regulator or the stator, both were replaced on my 2021. Cannot surpass the KYB suspension, even better than the Yamaha YZFX valving on the singletrack. Good to have a seat that isn't a plank while on a fire road. The bike handles better than I do. The headlight is shit but a LED bulb makes a huge difference. Graphics fly off with a pressure washer. Maintenance could be easier (at least on the 4T). The trials bias of the Sherco brand just suits me. Tons of bottom that keeps pulling. Great for an old fart like me. While my experience is 4T, I hear the same good attributes on the 2T models.
Good to hear, David. Yes the stators and regulators have been iffy in the past. A friend is buying the four stroke 300 model so I'll get to try it regularly... I hope!
@@crosstrainingenduro the 300 SEF factory is really great. I love mine. My ‘21 got updated p/n cams that improve the starting and eliminates any flameouts whatsoever. Easy warranty coverage and zero hassle. Suspension can’t be touched. I’ve owned a ‘19 300RR and a ‘20 XCW300 TPI and now own a ‘22 Xtrainer. The new Xtrainer is flawless. Dealer greased connections before I got it. It’s awesome and the new clutch feels great.
I just bought a 22 SE 300 Sherco. As i do NOT want TPI. Motor is awesome down low it vibrates a bit more than my 17 TE 300. But after 2 rides not noticeable. So far it is handling the West Coast Canadian single track well. Suspension is a little stiff but i need to re spring for my weight
The dealer gave me a deal on ‘21 Rieju MR 300 racing last year (March 2021). Paid list price of $8800. That’s around $2K less than the KTM/ Husky/Gas Gas. The ‘22 models have the same components. It is the best value for the money. Rieju doesn’t have a tpi bike but has some top quality components on it. The bike is essentially a 2018-2019 Gas Gas EC 300.
@@crosstrainingenduro My brother and I test rode the MR PRO 300 in August last year and loved it. Decided I didn't need that much power and I dont want to lug my bike around. Picked up a '21 Rieju MR200 in December, for $12, 540 (registered), I went for it cause it was $450 cheaper than a beta 200 and has kyb suspension. The biggest concern is there seems to be no online parts store from Rieju Aus
@@crosstrainingenduro someone said before they are running out the '21 Pro model for 13k with xtrig triples and DLC KYB, that's thousands less than a 6days KTM which doesn't even have upgraded suspension.
I just bought a 2022 GasGas EC250. Ten hours in, I have had zero issues of any kind. It is so drastically better than the YZ250 I had been on, I pinch myself that it is mine. I was also concerned about cold seizures, TPI issues, and engine problems in general. I haven't had it in proper hot racing conditions yet, but no issues here.
Great to hear you've had no issues, Jimmy. And if you were concerned the updated 'extreme' map boosts the oil use to reduce any premature wear issues. But the 2022 may have had this standard?
@@crosstrainingenduro It seems to run rich on bottom. There's the tiniest bit of splooge in the silencer. It's been below freezing, and I've ridden it in snow. I just let it idle for five minutes, putt around easy for five more, and let her rip. It is easily the best dirt bike I've owned. I shied from Beta when I heard they had more of an old school motocross style "hit" than the TPI bikes. For slow, technical riding, the TPI is magic. Didn't buy a Sherco because I heard they're a bit harder to work on, and there's not much dealer support in central USA.
I currently ride a 2019 TM en300. I absolutely love the bike. Dealer support in my area is fantastic, and as far as price ( I know this drastically changes depending on region) they are priced a lot more economical than the competition. I would really like to try a 2022 with the updated 6 speed vs my 5 speed, but that leads to one of my biggest peeves, resale is low due to a small niche market.
Resale is a bit lower on my list but still a concern for me, Ronnie. When I bought my first Beta RR300 in 2015 they were still a boutique brand in Australia but when I sold it two years later it was snapped up. And Betas were so easy to sell as everyone got interested in them. Not sure if that will happen for TM, but apparently the factory is planning on ramping up production.
Not saying that resale would actually be a prerequisite on any particular brand for me, just finding it currently irritating as it is hindering me from getting on a 2022, haha.
I ride Orange, my wife rides Green. My dad rides Red and my daughter rides Blue. Some would say I'm color blind in brand preference at this stage in my life. With that said, I have to agree with what you said up front. The bikes are often more capable than we are. Know what you got, what you need to watch out for and LEARN HOW TO RIDE IT. Past that and any restrictive details like you mentioned with registration or anything similar, it's a matter of preference. In my opinion brand loyalty is often not a healthy habit to get into.
Hello. Is really the smartcarb a good improvment on u're bike ? Why did you change the original carb ? Consumption, feeling, torque ? What about leakage if you lean the bike too much ? Thanks 😁
@@LionelCOSTE From what I heard Smartcarb increases power, you can make adjustments on the go, fuel economy is better and does not leak when going sideways.
I've had a 2017 Sherco 300 se 2 stroke in the past. I loved that bike to bits and ever since I sold it and went to a 2020 husky fe 450 I've been looking back. Not to say the 450 isn't an absolutely brilliant bike that does everything that I need it to and more, but I miss the feeling of a modern 300 2 banger. So, in a couple days we will be picking up our new 2022 Sherco 300 se Factory. We looked at other brands but just couldn't beat the Sherco value for money. All the goodies on it for a couple grand less than a KTM, Husqvarna or GasGas.
Really like the TM racing bikes, Id say they have the best parts and build quality. Their motors are on another level and sound/feel so good. They aren't as cushy as a KTM or Beta, but I think you will like owning one. My first big bike was a TM 125 in 2003 I still have it and it rips, came with full Ohlins suspension. Was lucky to live by Thom Coppersmith's shop (Ohlins specialist) he was the TM dealer at the time. Had a few KTM-250xcw since then and now been riding mostly TM's since 2017 and sold my last KTM a year ago and have no desire to ride anything else
@@crosstrainingenduro Be really cool to see you riding one in the future videos. I called around for the best price since there is no dealer in my area. Last time got a end-of-the year model from a really small dealer, it was a few hundred more than what a KTM Xcw would have been locally. Parts are usually more expensive then Ktm for comparison, but the stuff is made by them- a small company not mass production. Not sure about where your at in AU, but resale is an issue here as they are not well known even to the dirt bike shops where I live
I recently got a brand new 2022 Tm en 300 Ed carb model. Easily the best bike I’ve ridden. It came on the richer side but once I changed the jetting and jet needle woah! Very nice pulls to the moon and back
Got a spine injury and was looking for the most light bike for hard enduro. Xtrainer 2022 was the choice (thanks to your videos). Checked and greased all the electric plugs on it, made an airbox mod, changed the jetting for winter and having a blast with this beauty. My riding level has been growing huuuge since I bought it and I only have 14hours on it. It's really a cheat-bike, especially for a tall guy like me (1.91m) ☺
The light weight is great! How do you find the stability at speed? I always got a bit nervous on mine once I was in fourth gear or higher... it was never confidence inspiring on open trails, even with modified suspension.
@@crosstrainingenduro I mostly ride tight and slow stuff, train trial techniques, so that's not a problem. Had no problem on speedy uphills with roots and ruts either. But yes, high speeds and cross country races are not about this bike. I am now on stock springs, will see what changes when ones for my weight will arrive.
I for one would love to see you in the TM EN300 carb. It would just be nice to see a fresh perspective on the brand as a whole. On paper it seems to be the most ideal bike. Everything about it just looks amazing. Just would like to hear more from real world owners on what it's like to own one of these machines. Without all the usual parroting of old stereotypes. But, my second choice would be the Sherco 300 SE Factory. It's a near perfect Enduro bike. The lack of kick starter is annoying. And it doesn't help that they made adding one later an impossibility just rubs salt in the wound. Plus, there are a few minor odds and ends that could have been designed better. Good luck. Can't wait to see what you end up with. Keep up the good work.
I've been googling around like made to get owner impressions and find known issues but there simply isn't a lot of info out there yet. It's really a toss up between the TM and Sherco at the moment.
@@crosstrainingenduro Indeed, something also to consider is that TM Racing just did a major update to their entire line for 2022. Not sure if you were aware or not. The 2022 models look amazing with all new plastics and a all new chassis. I'd recommend checking them out. No better time to be getting a TM bike. Tho, you may want to look into availability. As I hear some have needed to wait months for their bikes to arrive. And again I am sure we would all love to see you on a TM. It would just be such a unique situation to get a good reliable unbiased opinion on the brand. Thank you for responding. Love the channel.
I have a 2021 Sherco 300SEF, i absolutely love the bike, probably the best enduro bike that i have own ( Honda, KTM, Husqvarna), since im looking to change to 2T im thinking trading it for a 2022 Beta 300RR i hope i dont regret it.
UPDATE ON TM ENDURO MODELS! Unfortunately there is only a 30 day warranty in Australia. 😢 The 12 months stated in the vid is the TM USA warranty. And this is on the condition that the TM is unmodified... the TM manual states "In cases of direct and consequent damage caused by tampering or modifications to the motorcycle, no legal warranty claim can be asserted". Unfortunately, we have started having troubles with the fuel injection. The Australian distributor and dealer aren't willing to look into the problem as the bike is now outside the 30 day warranty. We will keep you updated.
I’m lucky enough to live down the road from the TM importer, they are stand up and offer amazing support, I have a 20 en300 carb and I absolutely love the bike. It will goto the Moto X track one day and with no adjustments to suspension pull off technical single track or even hard enduro. This is quite likely the Swiss Army knife of off-road bikes. We have two tsi bikes as well and they have a more muted feel but are actually more powerful than the carb once on the pipe. The low end is adequate for most. Plus you can have them load the hot tune..
@@crosstrainingenduro the bike we have is easily 5 hp or so it feels above the carb bike, pipe and everything else is identical. It’s crazy how fast it is.
just purchased the brand new 2022 beta 300rr racing its got a completely revised engine its still early days yet but the bike is insane what a machine everything been working perfectly
I went for the Ktm exc 300 2022. Plush ride and smooth throttle, I have had a husky before this but like the pds. Sherco was a close 2nd but the deprecation in the uk ruled them out
ok great video, I have learnt alot. Ive never really ventured away from KTM and Husky, not because of Brand but availability and how close they are to where I live. I do have a husky 300 and KTM 350. Both run very well.
I had a 2019 KTM 300tpi xcw, about 313hours, no engine or tpi problems at all and only changed the piston once at about 260 hours. I recently switched to a 2020 350excf and don't regret it at all, the 350 is by far the best bike I've ever owned.
Interesting! Both two stroke specialists I spoke with about the TPI said rebuilds should be done more often as the engines will wear faster. And while some have seized engines within a few hours, others do go for 200 hours or more before a rebuild....
@@crosstrainingenduro That's true, but since I only did chill enduro on it and it only did 5 races in total (2 enduros and 3 rallies) I decided to go a couple of hours more on the piston before changing it.
@@crosstrainingenduro The internet is an echo chamber for negativity. It's not a good barometer for the overall reliability. KTM sells SO MANY bikes. Even on all the KTM / TPI -specific forums, there really aren't very many reports of seizures. The "experts" are in the business of selling their tunes, so they will downplay reliability.
I had quite a few chats with the 'experts' and I never felt they were trying to push their services... we barely spoke about that and I told them I wouldn't be actively promoting their stuff. All of this is backed up by dealers and industry insiders. In Australia and other countries, there have been shortages on top end rebuild kits due to the number of seizures. Some guys have had to wait a few months before they got parts. I didn't mention this in the vid as it could be quite damaging to the brands, and they are fixing them as goodwill warranty when out of the 30 day warranty period. Again, it's only a small percentage seizing, but it's enough to cause a supply issue for parts in some countries.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'd love to see real numbers, scientific data (which will never happen). My own experiences with riders and dealers differs from yours, but that could be as much to do with our own biases as it has to do with small sample anecdotal data. 👍
Very tempted, a really good looking bike. I'm not sure on parts availability here in Oz though...it would be good to see them become more established with a broader dealer network.
I bought a 2022 Ktm 300exc, my previous bike was a 2019 Husky 300 tpi which was great and very reliable. Ktm has great support and is a great bike. I would whatever brand has best support in my area
2021 Beta xtrainer - the only issue I have ever had was a bolt falling out of the mudflap and the radiator shroud plastics that appear to be made of chocolate and break too easily. Would I buy a 2022 model - probably not based on all the electrical issues being reported - will wait for 2023 model. I am sure every brand will or has had a 'bad' model and it is how the dealer/agent supports you that is important to brand loyalty. You correctly point out that the riders skill is far more important than the actual model you ride - practice, practice, practice. Keep up the great work.
2016 KTM 250 xcw here best bike I ever had well jetted carburetor way better bike than I am Rider I don't think I'd trade it for a brand new one keep up the good work
A friend bought one of the last carb 250EXCs in Australia, Don. Such a light bike! It's a shame they had to do the TPI thing, then release it before they had ironed out all the kinks.
Get yourself a Spanish senorita!( Rieju ) My 2005 ec300 is incredibly reliable! The Spanish are great engineers and passionate about dirtbikes. Also, thanks for another excellent video!
I’m really enjoying my beta 350rr race edition from 2017. Been taking it through slow technical terrain for years and never let me down. Only boiled it over once, but now have a fan. Definitely lacks bottom end zap compared to my 300 works edition X-Trainer, but is just as capable in all situations with my mediocre skills steering it. Betas are just so comfortable (once you swap out the seat), but I’d think the Sherco could be a good alternative. Or dare I say it a GasGas EC300 with reflashed mapping and low comp head from TSP
They seem to occasionally do a two stroke shootout but I find the reviews useless if they aren't talking about long term reliability and known issues. I reckon for the average rider, the performance of all these bikes is very similar... and much better than our abilities will ever be lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro So true! You are doing a truly unique service to off road riders everywhere by focusing on tangibles like reliability and long term cost of ownership😀
I have a 20 model 300rr beta and I'm already trying to sell it after a few months. It has no mechanical issues but the handling just sucks, it doesn't turn tight and the rear doesn't whip around under breaking or acceleration like the KTMs do so trying to come around tight trees on single track requires a lot more work. I love the motor though, the bottom end is extremely strong and linear giving way to easier hill climbs and less loss of traction, the rain mode does change the motor characteristic significantly.
Great engines. The handling is a bit weird though. Tried dropping the front a bit by sliding the forks through the triple clamps? Makes me wonder if a previous owner raised the front or fitted a fatty high profile front tyre for more in line stability?
We really liked the engine on the 2021 Sherco we test rode. The Betas are very good in that respect too so it would mean geting the same grunt if I decide to go French.
No problems with the jetting? That seems to be the main thing on recent models and easily fixed. I think some dealers just fix it automatically in their presales prep.
@@crosstrainingenduro I guess these days any bike from factory you have to uncork and tune a bit. Bikes was rich as hell stock, sludge from the pipe all the time. Few try and error jets swaps and works perfect now. Engine and suspension is rock solid, everything else could be better.
I live in Spain and although I loved the KTM 300 I would definitely go with the Rieju. They are much cheaper than the KTM 300 and the KYB suspension, kick start and FMF pipe makes it a no-brainer for me.
I wanted the fuel injection of the KTM triplets mainly because I just never trust where I land with jetting etc. The FI gives me some peace of mind that I'm always roughly in the ball park and just makes it all a bit easier. We (the wife and I) picked up 2 x GasGas EC250 2021 run out deals after the 2022 model came out rather than KTM/Huskie because for all intents and purposes its the same and was significantly cheaper than the other two. Rideaway $11k with rego due to the runout deal+the cheaper brand.
Just purchased my 2nd Beta 300 RR. Originally I went to look at husky but none in stock so I started looking at others and was coming off a wr450.I like the strong ease of simplicity of getting to all the parts to work on and having a dealer close.I was looking at sherco but I have no dealer anywhere close but I have 2 betas dealerships one within 25 miles the other ones in 60 mile range. So this had a determination factor in choosing a beta and wanted to stay away from orange.. beta is a good bike but they're all good bikes.
There seems to be this increasing trend of riders wanting to avoid going orange. I know why I'm part of that crowd, but it would be interesting to see the reasons of others.
@@crosstrainingenduro I recently went orange TPI, my main reason was the availability of parts both dealer and aftermarket. I also know that resale on KTM 300's is very good. Yes its a bitter pill to swallow forking out 17k for a bike that you throw down a mountain, and I think this might be why people are shying away from the brand. A friend of mine has a Sherco 300 (2019) race edition and he has had tuning issues despite the dealer making adjustments. He has fouled more than one plug on a ride (I'm 70 hrs in on my TPI with Race Map and never fouled a plug). He asked me to help him do a top end so I searched for the Sherco Workshop Manual (not owners manual), it is a complete joke compared to the KTM workshop manual. Go see for yourself.
Well, I really love my Beta RR300. And since I only buy a new bike every 10 or 12 years I'll be in my 70's for the next one. I'll check back in for your 2027 review of the latest bikes 😅🤣
I feel the same my,21 300rr will most likely be my last bike.I don't really like getting a new bike and have to go through the set up and buying all new protection pieces.I always have to at least buy new springs because they all come set up for smurfs
@@jeffbrownell279 Yeah, all the protective pieces can add up to a pretty penny! I agree about the springs. Rode my buddies bike with new springs and I couldn’t believe how much better it worked . I went and bought new springs the next day.
@@powerwagon3731 Other than the KYB suspension and other do-dads that they throw in I couldn't justify the extra cost. Plus I like the oil injection. People say the Sachs forks aren't very good but once I put in the right springs they work fine for me. I don't race so it's more about just having fun and the RR has more power that I really need. Have you gotten a delivery date from the factory? My buddy ordered a RR200 to be due in March and they said they can't fill the order now. He already sold his other bike so he scrambled to find a RE200, no RR to be found anywhere close enough to drive to.
Hi boys n girls. Bought Beta crosstrainer 300 last November from Aklams Harrogate. Other than poor service from the shop..a bike that leaks coolant taillight blows everytime I go out leaks gearoil from output shaft ,constantly stalling low rpm speedo failure. Sold January.thank the good lord..anyhow.. out on my RL 250. Pe 250x almost ready for its first ride out .cant wait. Carl Loughbor Blighty England
Damn, sounds like a bike built on Monday, Carl. 😢 A few Beta dealers have told me they must have some useless employees in the factory given how poorly some bikes are put together, they are always trying to detect missing parts, loose bolts etc before they sell the bikes. They reckon the union laws are too strong in Italy and you can't sack hopeless employees...
I paid 16k for my TM.... KTM dealer price seems around 17k at the moment. Rieju was my other choice but heart said TM and glad I did. Quality components aside, another consideration is upgrades you may plan on your purchase and to take these into account. The TM already has rubber mounted bars, Mitas tyres, AND a kick starter. The Rieju Pro is on par parts wise with the TM and is also 16k. Both on the upper end price wise but still cheaper than the Austrians. Sure, not compared to a Ranger or Xtrainer but you're not really comparing the same thing. Also I believe the 22 TM's may have shifted from TPI to throttle body injection. Something I definitely would have been keen for if available but I bought a 21 carby.
@@crosstrainingenduro that throttle body injection vs transfer port injection is worth looking into. May not meet emissions for mass manufactures but TM can probably get away with it. Injecting at the throttle body means more time to mix in the crankcase? May solve the weaker bottom end issues. I think I heard ktm doing something similar but only for the purely off road competition stuff
@@crosstrainingenduro Agree 100% ... Tm has buckets of power but like you I had a Beta before. Beta had more bottom but nowhere near the mid and top. I should have a head sometime in the next week with a hard enduro insert, different squish and profile. Developed by a guy in Europe who races these. 295 euros and includes gaskets. I get on fine on the TM but more is always betterer :P I'll let you know how it goes
I have a 2019 gasgas ec300. Reiju have largely fixed the starter issues. If you can feel the weight difference you are a much faster rider than me ! Carb , kick starter, one of the best out of the box suspension set ups. I would not right the reiju off it is great for technical riding and single track. Good luck with your choice!
Not faster, Alex. We do a lot of slow snotty tracks so we often need to lift the bikes. The extra few kg with a Rieju shouldn't bother most riders but we definitely want to go as light as we can.
For me it's still KTM. Spare parts should be mentioned, also fuel comsumption. Betas are very thirsty compared with others. Also maintenance is a big point. It seems to me that there is somehow a tendence of people tending away from the austrian bike because they just want to have something else, know what I mean? After all I would ride any of those bikes as long as I have dirt under my tires ;-)
Here in Australia, Sherco parts are just as easy to get as Kato parts. There's a well stocked warehouse in Melbourne and another being commissioned in Qld, and then there is a Premium Dealer in each sales state that stocks a larger range of parts over the regular dealers. Fuel usage once correctly jetted is as good as any other bike and the 2 strokes have 10.4lt tanks. That with a torquey, reliable engine and good quality suspension, all at much less than the Austrian bikes, is a win for owners and why we have seen a doubling of sales numbers for the brand here. 👍
@@joshscoot2231 also a good Bike. Little bit overpriced, a plus point compared with KTM because of the linkage suspension. What I don`t like on the Huskys ist the Plastik Subframe.
If all goes to plan I have my name on a Tm300en carby with the big 12L tank also getting bash plates but I’m opting for this one as I think it looks the best but also carby kick start and Estart are my must haves on a bike I don’t want to be stuck in a gully with a dead battery or stuffed efi at least with a carby I can do work track side and all else fails I have a kick start 🤘
Good morning Australia from Italy. In my area we ride 300 2T a lot as we have pretty steep single tracks. Here what is reported from most. Let's start from Beta : 2022 model is one of crowd's favorite and eveybody sais it's the best Beta ever. TM is a great machine but the chassis is very stiff and they are better suited for racing than for everyday amatour use or hard enduro. The KTM/husky/GAS GAS triptych of course have they own hard core fans and the fuel injection is starting to be more accepted and are staples regardless the very high price. Sherco also is a very good machine but not so popular. What instead is very very interesting is the Rieju 300 2t as it is reported to e really good in hard enduro and has a very good price for the quality. I'm in the market for a new (or used let's see ) 300 2t so I apreciate your video (as always) and your point of view from down under. Bye !
Buonjiorno Paolo, come stai? In some countries the Rieju is very cheap but unfortunately not in Australia. But all the 300 stroke bikes are very good. You can't really make a bad choice!
I have a tpi bike and have put 150 hrs on it with no major engine or fueling problems. I guess I'm just lucky. I also think the different feel just takes getting used to.
I have the 22 Sherco Barry. I love it! Just something about the ergos that I find sublime in the tough technical stuff. I have about 60 hours on it and no issues at all. They need to be jetted and re geared before you go to far. Stupidly rich from factory. Out of my TE 300(tpi) rr300 500excf the 22 sherco is my favourite bike ever.
Yep, a few guys have told me that it MUST be rejetted before the first ride. It's been complained about for so long I wonder why the factory persists with that setting? Maybe it works in cold climates?
@@crosstrainingenduro very strange. Let me know if you go this route. I can put you onto the sherco jetting master. I’m very happy with mine now. Absolute sublime engine and ergos. Few little issues with plastics lining up and strangely routed wiring harness but all easy fixes. I’m not a one eyed fan boy, have three different brands in the garage but honestly the sherco wins hands down.
Fan boy disgruntled haha. Though my xc-f 350 was a 4-stroke, I had zero problems with it and was incredible until sold recently. Next up ‘23 Husky TX 300. 🤤🤤
20’ ktm 300 xcw tpi. I’ve Loved it. Never had a break down 175 hrs. Change top end at 140 hrs. Piston looked great. No complaints. Don’t be scared if tpi. It works great. Smooth smooth.
As per the vid, the majority of owners shouldn't face issues. But it's very clear that a significant percentage hit all sorts of problems. And there have been enough seized engines at low hours to cause a supply shortage of top end parts in quite a few countries.
I bought a 2022 ktm 300 exc tpi 7 month ago, good bike but got a ccps failure so i've decide to toss it for a 2022 sherco 300 (i'm french so it was the best thing to do) and man, what a bike. Pros: Suspensions are amazing out of the box Carb engine is really strong down low and you can rip your arms off if you twist the throttle too much Real map switch with a noticeable difference between the two. Cons: The bike is some kind of small (i'm 1m93) so i've put bar raisers and now it's perfect. The jetting is way too rich from the factory but a JD jetting has solved this. Overall great bike and i don't miss Austrian bikes.
Went from a 21' KTM 250xc (fun bike...hated the forks) To a 21' Sherco SEF300.. when its running its awesome. Ive had timing issues at 5 hrs, and now its back again at 10hrs. hopefully they get it rt now. KYB was good after revalve in the forks. Picked up a 22' KTM 300XC in the meantime...all round dream of a bike for first 10hrs... Forks for whatever reason were amazing and compliant out of the box. Tons of low end and the bike is nimble. As effortless as ive experienced thus far to ride. I think in the end, there is a palpable level if individuality w all these bikes. Id love to try a Sherco se300
There's certainly no one bike that stands out for everyone, Chris. A very individual choice! And of course they all have their known issues... it's just bad luck if you are one of the 5 to 10% who hit those problems.
I don't own any 2022 models and that works well for me no issues on any and little to no fuel cost zero maintenance Oh wait confusion I just described my 2019 200 Beta 300 HR machine.
I’m so sad now I’m going to go cry because I just purchased a 2022 beta 300 rr race edition. I love my bike so far! We will see if I have issues. I’m still happy with my purchase. Keep up the awesome videos
You'll be fine, Donnie. 😊 It's only a percentage of bikes with electrical issues, see our Beta 2022 known issues vid to see how to do the check. They are genuinely good bikes but they just can't seem to get their electrics 100% bulletproof for everyone.
Your french accent is perfect ! Ready to drink red wine eating strong cheese and bread 😁 I have a 2021 300 sherco factory se, rough fork kyb and issue with footpegs 😕 Crazy good engine. No kickstart 😡 Short and easy to handle in hard enduro. Thanks for your job 👍
I’m a husky/ktm rider for years now and it’s time to move on for me aswell. I’ve just purchased tm 250 2t (carby) and can’t wait to throw a leg, I’ll let you know how that goes👍
For me it’s about spending my money with a dealer I trust as I think the buying experience and support is everything, (the bikes are all amazing) so I go to Toowoomba to get my sherco!
I like doing the same, Scott. Support the really good dealers! I actually bought my last bike from interstate just to support one of Australia's best dealers...
For '22 I'm sticking with my '16 KTM EXC. Yeah it's not perfect but it's the devil I know. Got my first race in a little over a week and loving the riding. Thanks for all the vids
I reckon KTM were doing really well those last few years with the carb models. Only a fraction over 100kg! Then the TPI added weight, complexity, problems and less bottom end power. 😢
Yeah I’m sticking with my 17 250 xcw for now. I really do wish Yamaha would update the 250x to be more competitive. I don’t even need EFI. And I don’t really care if they add weight to get electric start. That’d be my choice for a new bike, if it existed.
You are going to enjoy it! It is a bit on the heavy side and the starter needs to be carefully maintained, but apart from that it is a reliable bike. Nothing is cheap on it! I have 250 hrs of trouble free riding!
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I was itching to ride one of those when I was a kid but never got the chance. Heard so many good things about them... I did get a ride an RMX250 years later which was a great bike.
The starter is definitely a weak link on the reiju .If you use it as intended i.e a re-starter.Kick when cold and only use the starter when the bike is at operating temp and it works fine . KYB , KICKSTART AND CARB ....awesome
We heard they would fit a proper e-start and overhaul the old design in its second year of manufacture but it doesn't seem to be the case. 🤔 I think they need to charge a lot less for the bike here in Australia, OR do the mods needed to bring it up to par with the competition.
@@crosstrainingenduro The starter isn't a deal breaker.The 2022 model starters are now oil bathed ,I believe .The main attraction is its simplicity.Being a Weekend Plonka ,I refused to have a failed fuel pump ,oil pump ,flat battery or some crappy sensor ruin my day .Manufacturers decision to remove the kick-starters is simply ludicrous and what to save a few hundred grams .Makes F...kall difference to me .When I purchased my Reiju it was about $800 less than a sherco and it had KYB and a kickstart.And yes ,Im a 64 year old Gasser tragic .Keep up the good work Bazz
@@crosstrainingenduro the starter definitely has been overhauled. Bearings where bushes were and bushes where nothing was. The starter motor also seems to be better, I've never heard a bike starter spin so fast. The system needs a bit a lube every now and then to keep it running smoothly but very easy to do
What changes have occurred for the 2024 models? Not much has changed so this video is still relevant. The main thing of note is the Austrian bikes now have TBI instead of TPI. We consistently found TPI models lacked grunt and riders were spending a lot of money to try and get similar performance to a carb model. However, the TBI seems to have resolved this. Hopefully it will prove to be more reliable than TPI too, which definitely had kinks that needed to be ironed out.
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In Australia I would think the ACCC would clean them up if they denied a warranty after only 6 months, let alone 30 days, on a product that cost well north of 10 gran. It explicitly says that the statutory warranty can extend past the manufactures warranty and the 'time limit' depends on the price and quality of the product. . . . unless KTM are going to claim their product is not quality :)
6 mths is much better than 1 true - but as this presenter says - it seems lots of tpi models are causeing issues within the 12 months and just beyond that none of the carb models had - and the 16 or 17 k price tag ???ouch
In Spain we receive a 3 year warranty on the Rieju.
Just bought Sherco 300SE Factory. Stunning bike and easy to live with. Pefect for me at 64 years old and 50 years of riding motorbikes. Enjoy !
The Rieju are actually really good value. I just picked up a 300 Rieju after dealing with countless issues on my KTM TPI machine.
I love the bike. Would never go back to TPI. So far no issues with my starter. My friend has almost 100 hours on his Rieju, and not a single issue with the starter or anything else.
Great to hear, Sarah! I know in quite a few countries they are significantly cheaper than the other brands but unfortunately the Aussie distributor set the price just below the others. Glad the starters have been okay. They generally should be as 'known issues' only occur in a certain number of cases. E.g. The majority of TPI owners are fine, but quite a few are tearing their hair out. When Beta had all its main bearing failures, it was happening to less than 10% of two strokes.
@@crosstrainingenduro Here in the states, it’s a good deal. Cheaper than the others, and has quality components. I really love how the bike rides as well. Which I feel is an unpopular opinion, as everyone seems to claim how nothing feels better than the newer batch of KTMs.
Hopefully I never have to deal with starter issues, but the bike comes with a kicker stock which is a nice bonus.
I couldn’t be happier!
How year made you have in tpi ?
I've got a 2018 gasgas ec300 and it's a great bike, zero problems
Fell in love with TM some year ago and never looked back. For a scared old bastard like me the 144EN is perfect. Power enough, easy to flick around and best of all easy to pick up when I end up in the dirt…
I've been wanting to ride one of those, will the front come up easy to get over obstacles?
@Mike H Im not an advanced driver, but as soon as you learn the bike torque and power is no issue. I say go try one😉
I've got a 22 KTM 300 XCW with about 35 hours on it now and it has been flawless. Hope it stays that way. Most of my ride group uses these and really no major issues among the group.
Good to hear.Did the 2022 come standard with the extreme map? If not, that can be a good move to avoid possible premature wear.
@@crosstrainingenduro I haven't been able to confirm that it has the extreme map. I was told the 22's all got it.
Im edging closer to 50hrs on my 2022 erzberg. Absolutely no issues so far that I have experienced
Went KTM group in ‘17 and don’t see changing anytime soon. ‘23 TX 300 incoming!
I just purchased a 2022 TM300fi. Blew me away with what you get. It may be $ but it’s well worth it when you get the opportunity to work on and ride it. The materials and build quality are next level, and Ron from emu racing is a top bloke as well
Yeah The TM bikes look amazing!
I spoke to Ron the other day and still have to wait for mine to get here. Went with the carb so there are less things to go wrong. Where are you based?
@@jordanraccanello4920 payed for mine 9ish months ago and got it to Perth a month ago. Well worth the wait
I've been a ktm/husky rider for the last 15 years. I think it's time for a new beginning. My bet is on the Beta RR 300 Racing.
got one its unreal the new 2022 rr racing blows my mind with the new updates to the engine and bike
Just got my 2022 beta 300rr race edition so far I love it! We will see long term but as of now I love the bike
I have 21 beta 300 race edition.. I love it .. been a great bike and looks great doing it ... like all hard riding a few bucks spent on protection parts and it's great .. I love the carb over the tpi.. feels too artificial on the tpi..
I've owned all the 2 stroke brands since 1972.
You won't be disappointed in the Beta once it's set up right and all the fasteners have been inspected for tightness.
20 years on KTM. Now a Yamaha. By far the most ready to race bike I've had out the box. KTM is the least these days. No regrets
I'm riding an 2018 Sherco 300 SE 6 days. At 6"2 and 110 kg all I've done is change the springs. It lugs all day, 75 hours with no issues. Gonna keep it for a few more years.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
I’ve been on a beta 2022 for four months by now. Awesome bike, great handle, its light and have an amazing low end power. Had absolute zero issues with it… i think the best choices on the market right now are Beta, Sherco and Tm
TM is a very good bike but the parts are very expensive because they are hand made other than that there's nothing to complain .
l have the 2022 model too, l love this bike, the engine is a monster on hard enduro tracks it looks like a trial bike..here in italy it's the cheapest bike too
@@GABRIELE-gm4cs i have the same feeling, looks like a trial bike, awesome for hard enduro but it still handles amazingly in high speed tracks
If you don't mind not having a bike for 43 months waiting on parts
@@thisisme7587 Where i live nobody had this issue with Beta, by the opposite… while ktm’s are with a waiting list for over 3 months, beta’s are in stock for every single model
My Beta 300rr is honestly amazing right now. Just picked it up a couple months ago and I have zero problems with it...amazing power and it's very smooth.
They are great bikes, Austin. And the majority of owners won't hit those electrical issues. And a good dealer usually goes over the bike and fixes everything the factory messes up in terms of missing parts, loose bolts, messy wiring etc.
I love my 2022 beta 300 rr race edition so far
I bought the 22 Rieju MR300 pro because of the hardcoat KYB suspension. It's a tractor, but if you twist the throttle something happens right effing now. I appreciate the electric start, but would buy a bike without a kickstart. I'm only 220 miles in, but it has been flawless and the suspension has needed nothing to cope with north Jersey terrain which is endless rocks.
(FYI for the background)....) I'm 61, not slow, not fast, did earn my A card the hard way, five firsts in a row in class and five top 10 overall B. I don't suck, but I'm not fast A material. All the bikes are factually amazing, the amount of abuse they tolerate is unbelievable. Unless you're fast A or AA, you won't go wrong with any of these mounts.
Great to hear the Rieju is working out for you, Steve
50hrs on my 21 TM300EN carb. No issues. Absolutely love it and worth the bit extra you pay. It rips!!! And grunts! I do everything from MX to enduros on it and it handles it all with ease. Parts supply you say? Non issue in North America, TM Cross Shop out of California has everything you need OEM and aftermarket. They ship to my place on the east coast of Canada in 3 days! 25 years of riding and racing dirtbikes, I’m a TM guy now for life.
Good to hear parts aren't a problem over there. I've yet to see what it's like here. I'd be going the carb for sure, I like my lowdown grunt.
Currently own 2002 TM racing en250.
Parts aren't an issue, it a reliable, handles and built to ride. Great review!
Great vid! My 21 300 EXC has 300 HARD hours on it. Second piston about to get changed. Not one single issue - starts first time every time. The most reliable bike I've owned. I disagree on the KTM reliability issues statement. Like any mechanical product, the number of issues is directly proportionate to the number of units out there. I don't have solid data (e.g. comparison of number of bikes sold versus number of issue bikes) but, if you look at how many people ride KTMs (youtube videos, facebook posts, etc.) versus the KTM issues forums, then I'd say it's very similar across the manufacturers that you are comparing in this video. Horses for courses - everyone has their own opinion I guess. Keep up the good work lads!
Great to hear you've had no issues! Yep, you need a really large sample group size to know if their genuine known issues or not. As mentioned, the majority of TPI owners won't get problems. But a very significant number do. This is based on KTM dealers facing shortages in top end parts due to the number of bikes seizing at low hours. It's also based on mechanic reports, one in particular said TPI bikes are his most common bike in the repair shop now. It was the same when roughly 5% of Beta two strokes were seizing main bearings a few years ago. 95% of riders were saying 'this must be bullshit!' because they and their mates hadn't hit any problems themselves.
I just bought a 2022 Beta 300 RR, and you nailed the reason in the first 20 seconds - "For the average dirt rider, all the available bikes are great. The bikes are much better than we will ever be." For me, I was just waiting for the right deal on any KTM/GasGas/Husqvarna, Sherco or Beta in 250 2t or 300 2t.
I love my 2022 beta 300 rr race I think you will love your new bike
Recently bought a TM. Cannot believe how good it is and absolutely beautiful to boot.
They do look amazing. It's a tough choice between the TM and the Sherco at the moment.
I picked up a clean 05 yz250 for $2500, I put a rec reg kit on it and got it registered. Much better value and much more fun than any of these new euro 2 strokes. Saving myself $12k + was a no brainer
I waited a couple years for the dust to build on the TM and practically stole it 2018 with 23hrs on it 4200
beta 300rr. 8 reasons. ! 1 street legal. 2 oil injection. 3 carburetor. 4 Easiest starting. 5 lowest seat height. 6 best price by far. 7 six month warranty. 8 my buddys shop near me sells them and I got a great deal!!! Also they look the best and seem to be the Quietest! Maybe it was 10 reasons? Just a lot of good reasons
Picked up a 2022 beta 250 race edition about a month ago. Amazing bike. With a few little changes here and there (bar risers, new foot pegs)to make it “my bike” and it was perfect. Coming off a yz250f 2018 the beta feels way more flickable, light, and much easier to ride on technical and slower riding.
Yes! Yes! YES! Just bought a brand new 2023 Beta 300RR! It was a toss up between it and the Sherco. I liked the kickstart option on the Beta and the keihin carburetor and plush suspension for woods riding. Like yourself no fuel injected bikes or Japanese bikes on my radar also. Unfortunately, with close to 2 feet of snow here at the moment in frozen North Eastern Ontario, Canada, there won’t be a test ride for another month and a half.😢
I live in Cyprus, Europe and I ride hard enduro. After some serious thought I bought the Rieju MR300 Racing.
It is cheaper here than all other similar competitor bikes and after riding it for a few months now I am very impressed. Amazing power delivery when needed but at the same time smooth with tremendous torque and low end grunt, clutch is very light and easy to control making things easier during hard technical terrain. Bike feels very light although it is slightly heavier than other brands. KYB suspension (no words needed),. Racing model doesn't have a cooling fan which I thought it would be an issue but surprisingly it does not overheat easily. Generally I haven't got any issues with the bike yet.
Great to hear, Pandelis!
I am also after a new rieju to replace my old gasgas but there aren't any in Greece where I live, used or new. Did you get yours brand new in cyprus? Cheers Pandeli, enjoy you bike mate!
@@SureStandar Thanks man! Yes we have an authorized dealer here. Not sure about Greece but look around if there are any, its definitely worth it.
I have exclusively bought KTMs for the last 20 years, not because i am a brand snob, but because they were the best to ride, to own and to work on. Having said this, i would not but a new KTM, Husqvarna or Gas Gas. I dont want to deal with the extra hassles of TPI, or the taming of the power delivery. You buy a 2 stroke for the hit in the power. If you want a lounge chair then get a 4 stroke. I reckon i would jump on a new Sherco if i was in the market now.
Great video. Thanks 👍👍
I loved my 2 x 300 4 stroke Shercos, but decided to see what all the fuss was with 2 strokes and bought the 21 model.
The engine has amazing torque and is all but impossible to stall.
The suspension works for me straight out of the crate with no mods and the bike is so easy to ride in technical terrain.
It's far more accomplished than I'll ever be, but it is not a handful to ride either.
Love it 👌
That's probably the big issue... all these bikes are better than 98% of us will ever be. 😂
I'd love to ride a TM. Beautiful motorcycles. I like that they are a small brand. Hope they stay that way.
Up close you can see that attention to detail... incredibly stylish bikes.
After 20 years of Yamaha, I bought a Sherco 300SEF 4t. Love the bottom end and don't think another 4T can touch it in the nasty. I did have some charging issues fixed under warranty. Can't say if it was the regulator or the stator, both were replaced on my 2021. Cannot surpass the KYB suspension, even better than the Yamaha YZFX valving on the singletrack. Good to have a seat that isn't a plank while on a fire road. The bike handles better than I do. The headlight is shit but a LED bulb makes a huge difference. Graphics fly off with a pressure washer. Maintenance could be easier (at least on the 4T). The trials bias of the Sherco brand just suits me. Tons of bottom that keeps pulling. Great for an old fart like me. While my experience is 4T, I hear the same good attributes on the 2T models.
Good to hear. These 300SEF's are very intriguing bikes for us four stroke guys trying to ride with 2 stroke friends
Good to hear, David. Yes the stators and regulators have been iffy in the past. A friend is buying the four stroke 300 model so I'll get to try it regularly... I hope!
@@crosstrainingenduro the 300 SEF factory is really great. I love mine. My ‘21 got updated p/n cams that improve the starting and eliminates any flameouts whatsoever. Easy warranty coverage and zero hassle. Suspension can’t be touched. I’ve owned a ‘19 300RR and a ‘20 XCW300 TPI and now own a ‘22 Xtrainer. The new Xtrainer is flawless. Dealer greased connections before I got it. It’s awesome and the new clutch feels great.
@@crosstrainingenduro let’s see spaghetti or bagels 😊
Mon dieu! Mamma mia!
I just bought a 22 SE 300 Sherco. As i do NOT want TPI. Motor is awesome down low it vibrates a bit more than my 17 TE 300. But after 2 rides not noticeable. So far it is handling the West Coast Canadian single track well. Suspension is a little stiff but i need to re spring for my weight
Same thoughts. Moved brands as I do NOT want TPI.
My 19 tpi husky has never missed a beat. 160 hours. 5000km. Always starts been a good friend
Ive got a '17 TE300 with similar hours on it, never misses a beat and am very hesitate to trade up. Fricken love it too much...
This is the best Dirt Bike video I've seen in a while. I'm happy with my '07 200exc.
Great bike! Scott in our group is riding a 2012 200EXC I think.
The dealer gave me a deal on ‘21 Rieju MR 300 racing last year (March 2021). Paid list price of $8800. That’s around $2K less than the KTM/ Husky/Gas Gas. The ‘22 models have the same components. It is the best value for the money. Rieju doesn’t have a tpi bike but has some top quality components on it. The bike is essentially a 2018-2019 Gas Gas EC 300.
With that sort of price difference I reckon I'd be jumping on a Rieju as well, Kelly. But they are barely any cheaper here.
@@crosstrainingenduro My brother and I test rode the MR PRO 300 in August last year and loved it. Decided I didn't need that much power and I dont want to lug my bike around. Picked up a '21 Rieju MR200 in December, for $12, 540 (registered), I went for it cause it was $450 cheaper than a beta 200 and has kyb suspension. The biggest concern is there seems to be no online parts store from Rieju Aus
Good price!
@@crosstrainingenduro someone said before they are running out the '21 Pro model for 13k with xtrig triples and DLC KYB, that's thousands less than a 6days KTM which doesn't even have upgraded suspension.
You are right with the Japanese, if Yamaha made the wr two stroke range again I would definitely buy one. Come on Yamaha get your shit together
Owned a monoshock IT250, great bike, terrible brakes and headlight but everything else was good. Simple, fast and tough. 6 speed box.
I just bought a 2022 GasGas EC250. Ten hours in, I have had zero issues of any kind. It is so drastically better than the YZ250 I had been on, I pinch myself that it is mine. I was also concerned about cold seizures, TPI issues, and engine problems in general. I haven't had it in proper hot racing conditions yet, but no issues here.
Great to hear you've had no issues, Jimmy. And if you were concerned the updated 'extreme' map boosts the oil use to reduce any premature wear issues. But the 2022 may have had this standard?
@@crosstrainingenduro It seems to run rich on bottom. There's the tiniest bit of splooge in the silencer. It's been below freezing, and I've ridden it in snow. I just let it idle for five minutes, putt around easy for five more, and let her rip. It is easily the best dirt bike I've owned. I shied from Beta when I heard they had more of an old school motocross style "hit" than the TPI bikes. For slow, technical riding, the TPI is magic.
Didn't buy a Sherco because I heard they're a bit harder to work on, and there's not much dealer support in central USA.
I currently ride a 2019 TM en300. I absolutely love the bike. Dealer support in my area is fantastic, and as far as price ( I know this drastically changes depending on region) they are priced a lot more economical than the competition. I would really like to try a 2022 with the updated 6 speed vs my 5 speed, but that leads to one of my biggest peeves, resale is low due to a small niche market.
Resale is a bit lower on my list but still a concern for me, Ronnie. When I bought my first Beta RR300 in 2015 they were still a boutique brand in Australia but when I sold it two years later it was snapped up. And Betas were so easy to sell as everyone got interested in them. Not sure if that will happen for TM, but apparently the factory is planning on ramping up production.
Not saying that resale would actually be a prerequisite on any particular brand for me, just finding it currently irritating as it is hindering me from getting on a 2022, haha.
I ride Orange, my wife rides Green. My dad rides Red and my daughter rides Blue. Some would say I'm color blind in brand preference at this stage in my life.
With that said, I have to agree with what you said up front. The bikes are often more capable than we are.
Know what you got, what you need to watch out for and LEARN HOW TO RIDE IT.
Past that and any restrictive details like you mentioned with registration or anything similar, it's a matter of preference. In my opinion brand loyalty is often not a healthy habit to get into.
Completely agree, I've done two vids now about brand loyalty and how it can be a bit of a trap.
Sherco 300SE with a smart carb. I absolutely love it !!!! Great handling and suspension
Tons of torque such a awesome bike
Hello. Is really the smartcarb a good improvment on u're bike ? Why did you change the original carb ? Consumption, feeling, torque ? What about leakage if you lean the bike too much ?
Thanks 😁
@@LionelCOSTE From what I heard Smartcarb increases power, you can make adjustments on the go, fuel economy is better and does not leak when going sideways.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
Husaberg rider thinking going French frog sherco after seeing the boss's 300 factory looks minty test ride it this weekend....
I've had a 2017 Sherco 300 se 2 stroke in the past. I loved that bike to bits and ever since I sold it and went to a 2020 husky fe 450 I've been looking back. Not to say the 450 isn't an absolutely brilliant bike that does everything that I need it to and more, but I miss the feeling of a modern 300 2 banger. So, in a couple days we will be picking up our new 2022 Sherco 300 se Factory. We looked at other brands but just couldn't beat the Sherco value for money. All the goodies on it for a couple grand less than a KTM, Husqvarna or GasGas.
Value for money certainly gets mentioned a lot with the Sherco in all these comments, Dan...
Really like the TM racing bikes, Id say they have the best parts and build quality. Their motors are on another level and sound/feel so good. They aren't as cushy as a KTM or Beta, but I think you will like owning one.
My first big bike was a TM 125 in 2003 I still have it and it rips, came with full Ohlins suspension.
Was lucky to live by Thom Coppersmith's shop (Ohlins specialist) he was the TM dealer at the time. Had a few KTM-250xcw since then and now been riding mostly TM's since 2017 and sold my last KTM a year ago and have no desire to ride anything else
It would hit the wallet pretty hard but I was impressed with how light it felt, Mike. It's definitely a contender.
@@crosstrainingenduro Be really cool to see you riding one in the future videos.
I called around for the best price since there is no dealer in my area. Last time got a end-of-the year model from a really small dealer, it was a few hundred more than what a KTM Xcw would have been locally.
Parts are usually more expensive then Ktm for comparison, but the stuff is made by them- a small company not mass production.
Not sure about where your at in AU, but resale is an issue here as they are not well known even to the dirt bike shops where I live
I recently got a brand new 2022 Tm en 300 Ed carb model. Easily the best bike I’ve ridden. It came on the richer side but once I changed the jetting and jet needle woah! Very nice pulls to the moon and back
I've only ridden the FI model so keen to see what the carb is like.
Got a spine injury and was looking for the most light bike for hard enduro. Xtrainer 2022 was the choice (thanks to your videos). Checked and greased all the electric plugs on it, made an airbox mod, changed the jetting for winter and having a blast with this beauty. My riding level has been growing huuuge since I bought it and I only have 14hours on it. It's really a cheat-bike, especially for a tall guy like me (1.91m) ☺
The light weight is great! How do you find the stability at speed? I always got a bit nervous on mine once I was in fourth gear or higher... it was never confidence inspiring on open trails, even with modified suspension.
@@crosstrainingenduro I mostly ride tight and slow stuff, train trial techniques, so that's not a problem. Had no problem on speedy uphills with roots and ruts either. But yes, high speeds and cross country races are not about this bike. I am now on stock springs, will see what changes when ones for my weight will arrive.
I for one would love to see you in the TM EN300 carb. It would just be nice to see a fresh perspective on the brand as a whole. On paper it seems to be the most ideal bike. Everything about it just looks amazing. Just would like to hear more from real world owners on what it's like to own one of these machines. Without all the usual parroting of old stereotypes. But, my second choice would be the Sherco 300 SE Factory. It's a near perfect Enduro bike. The lack of kick starter is annoying. And it doesn't help that they made adding one later an impossibility just rubs salt in the wound. Plus, there are a few minor odds and ends that could have been designed better. Good luck. Can't wait to see what you end up with. Keep up the good work.
I've been googling around like made to get owner impressions and find known issues but there simply isn't a lot of info out there yet. It's really a toss up between the TM and Sherco at the moment.
@@crosstrainingenduro Indeed, something also to consider is that TM Racing just did a major update to their entire line for 2022. Not sure if you were aware or not. The 2022 models look amazing with all new plastics and a all new chassis. I'd recommend checking them out. No better time to be getting a TM bike. Tho, you may want to look into availability. As I hear some have needed to wait months for their bikes to arrive. And again I am sure we would all love to see you on a TM. It would just be such a unique situation to get a good reliable unbiased opinion on the brand. Thank you for responding. Love the channel.
I did get a test ride on a 2021 model, I'll put a vid out about that shortly
I have a 2021 Sherco 300SEF, i absolutely love the bike, probably the best enduro bike that i have own ( Honda, KTM, Husqvarna), since im looking to change to 2T im thinking trading it for a 2022 Beta 300RR i hope i dont regret it.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
UPDATE ON TM ENDURO MODELS! Unfortunately there is only a 30 day warranty in Australia. 😢 The 12 months stated in the vid is the TM USA warranty. And this is on the condition that the TM is unmodified... the TM manual states "In cases of direct and consequent damage caused by tampering or modifications to the motorcycle, no legal warranty claim can be asserted".
Unfortunately, we have started having troubles with the fuel injection. The Australian distributor and dealer aren't willing to look into the problem as the bike is now outside the 30 day warranty. We will keep you updated.
I’m lucky enough to live down the road from the TM importer, they are stand up and offer amazing support, I have a 20 en300 carb and I absolutely love the bike. It will goto the Moto X track one day and with no adjustments to suspension pull off technical single track or even hard enduro. This is quite likely the Swiss Army knife of off-road bikes. We have two tsi bikes as well and they have a more muted feel but are actually more powerful than the carb once on the pipe. The low end is adequate for most. Plus you can have them load the hot tune..
I'd be going for the 'cold tune' probably, Steve. 😂 The fuel injected one I test rode really started to sing from midrange and on.
@@crosstrainingenduro the bike we have is easily 5 hp or so it feels above the carb bike, pipe and everything else is identical. It’s crazy how fast it is.
Got mine, a GPX TSE300R. Full fun, half the price, and about 80% performance from the European bikes. Truly, a working class hero.
just purchased the brand new 2022 beta 300rr racing its got a completely revised engine its still early days yet but the bike is insane what a machine everything been working perfectly
Same here so far so good!
I went for the Ktm exc 300 2022. Plush ride and smooth throttle, I have had a husky before this but like the pds. Sherco was a close 2nd but the deprecation in the uk ruled them out
In my experience the ktm is far from plush
ok great video, I have learnt alot. Ive never really ventured away from KTM and Husky, not because of Brand but availability and how close they are to where I live. I do have a husky 300 and KTM 350. Both run very well.
I had a 2019 KTM 300tpi xcw, about 313hours, no engine or tpi problems at all and only changed the piston once at about 260 hours.
I recently switched to a 2020 350excf and don't regret it at all, the 350 is by far the best bike I've ever owned.
Interesting! Both two stroke specialists I spoke with about the TPI said rebuilds should be done more often as the engines will wear faster. And while some have seized engines within a few hours, others do go for 200 hours or more before a rebuild....
@@crosstrainingenduro That's true, but since I only did chill enduro on it and it only did 5 races in total (2 enduros and 3 rallies) I decided to go a couple of hours more on the piston before changing it.
@@crosstrainingenduro The internet is an echo chamber for negativity. It's not a good barometer for the overall reliability. KTM sells SO MANY bikes. Even on all the KTM / TPI -specific forums, there really aren't very many reports of seizures. The "experts" are in the business of selling their tunes, so they will downplay reliability.
I had quite a few chats with the 'experts' and I never felt they were trying to push their services... we barely spoke about that and I told them I wouldn't be actively promoting their stuff. All of this is backed up by dealers and industry insiders. In Australia and other countries, there have been shortages on top end rebuild kits due to the number of seizures. Some guys have had to wait a few months before they got parts. I didn't mention this in the vid as it could be quite damaging to the brands, and they are fixing them as goodwill warranty when out of the 30 day warranty period. Again, it's only a small percentage seizing, but it's enough to cause a supply issue for parts in some countries.
@@crosstrainingenduro I'd love to see real numbers, scientific data (which will never happen). My own experiences with riders and dealers differs from yours, but that could be as much to do with our own biases as it has to do with small sample anecdotal data. 👍
Wow! Love the technical riding! I would love to own a TM.
Very tempted, a really good looking bike. I'm not sure on parts availability here in Oz though...it would be good to see them become more established with a broader dealer network.
I bought a 2022 Ktm 300exc, my previous bike was a 2019 Husky 300 tpi which was great and very reliable. Ktm has great support and is a great bike. I would whatever brand has best support in my area
For many it does come down to that, Trevor. Best support and your favourite colour!
How many hours have you done tpi 2019 ?
2021 Beta xtrainer - the only issue I have ever had was a bolt falling out of the mudflap and the radiator shroud plastics that appear to be made of chocolate and break too easily. Would I buy a 2022 model - probably not based on all the electrical issues being reported - will wait for 2023 model. I am sure every brand will or has had a 'bad' model and it is how the dealer/agent supports you that is important to brand loyalty. You correctly point out that the riders skill is far more important than the actual model you ride - practice, practice, practice. Keep up the great work.
I would go for the Italian stallion. That engine .. for you maybe with a carb.
The 2022 model looks even more promising. Keep up the great work 👍
Which Italian stallion though, Tiago? TM or Beta?
@@crosstrainingenduro TM Racing ;)
2016 KTM 250 xcw here best bike I ever had well jetted carburetor way better bike than I am Rider I don't think I'd trade it for a brand new one keep up the good work
A friend bought one of the last carb 250EXCs in Australia, Don. Such a light bike! It's a shame they had to do the TPI thing, then release it before they had ironed out all the kinks.
Get yourself a Spanish senorita!( Rieju ) My 2005 ec300 is incredibly reliable! The Spanish are great engineers and passionate about dirtbikes.
Also, thanks for another excellent video!
I’m really enjoying my beta 350rr race edition from 2017. Been taking it through slow technical terrain for years and never let me down. Only boiled it over once, but now have a fan. Definitely lacks bottom end zap compared to my 300 works edition X-Trainer, but is just as capable in all situations with my mediocre skills steering it. Betas are just so comfortable (once you swap out the seat), but I’d think the Sherco could be a good alternative. Or dare I say it a GasGas EC300 with reflashed mapping and low comp head from TSP
We are definitely spoiled for choice nowadays...
what did you swap the seat to ? or you just mean you customised it ? they look painted on which is a bit of a turn off lol
Good stuff, a lesson for dirt bike magazine ! Wide world 2-stroke enduro shootouts - have been missing for 30 years.
They seem to occasionally do a two stroke shootout but I find the reviews useless if they aren't talking about long term reliability and known issues. I reckon for the average rider, the performance of all these bikes is very similar... and much better than our abilities will ever be lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro So true! You are doing a truly unique service to off road riders everywhere by focusing on tangibles like reliability and long term cost of ownership😀
I have a 20 model 300rr beta and I'm already trying to sell it after a few months. It has no mechanical issues but the handling just sucks, it doesn't turn tight and the rear doesn't whip around under breaking or acceleration like the KTMs do so trying to come around tight trees on single track requires a lot more work. I love the motor though, the bottom end is extremely strong and linear giving way to easier hill climbs and less loss of traction, the rain mode does change the motor characteristic significantly.
Great engines. The handling is a bit weird though. Tried dropping the front a bit by sliding the forks through the triple clamps? Makes me wonder if a previous owner raised the front or fitted a fatty high profile front tyre for more in line stability?
@@crosstrainingenduro today I removed the steering stops and cranked down on the shock to decrease the sag. We'll see how that works
Bought a Sherco se300 Racing -21 this winter. That low end power is outstanding and I love it 😎
We really liked the engine on the 2021 Sherco we test rode. The Betas are very good in that respect too so it would mean geting the same grunt if I decide to go French.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
@@amek4736 No problem at all, don't remember the hours when I sold it....125h or so.
Agreed 100% with your list, currently third year on sherco 300se and loving it.
No problems with the jetting? That seems to be the main thing on recent models and easily fixed. I think some dealers just fix it automatically in their presales prep.
@@crosstrainingenduro I guess these days any bike from factory you have to uncork and tune a bit. Bikes was rich as hell stock, sludge from the pipe all the time. Few try and error jets swaps and works perfect now. Engine and suspension is rock solid, everything else could be better.
Just got my 3rd te 250 great bikes no problems yet.
Good to hear, Gary
I live in Spain and although I loved the KTM 300 I would definitely go with the Rieju. They are much cheaper than the KTM 300 and the KYB suspension, kick start and FMF pipe makes it a no-brainer for me.
Good to hear it's cheap! We thought it would be in Australia but it's not much cheaper at all. 🤔
@@crosstrainingenduro shipping costs and import duties probably drive the costs up for you.
Still liking my 20' TM 300en. No complaints.
In our group Ben has bought one. It looks great, goes great... I'm very tempted! But expensive.
This is what I normally ride
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I wanted the fuel injection of the KTM triplets mainly because I just never trust where I land with jetting etc. The FI gives me some peace of mind that I'm always roughly in the ball park and just makes it all a bit easier. We (the wife and I) picked up 2 x GasGas EC250 2021 run out deals after the 2022 model came out rather than KTM/Huskie because for all intents and purposes its the same and was significantly cheaper than the other two. Rideaway $11k with rego due to the runout deal+the cheaper brand.
Just purchased my 2nd Beta 300 RR. Originally I went to look at husky but none in stock so I started looking at others and was coming off a wr450.I like the strong ease of simplicity of getting to all the parts to work on and having a dealer close.I was looking at sherco but I have no dealer anywhere close but I have 2 betas dealerships one within 25 miles the other ones in 60 mile range. So this had a determination factor in choosing a beta and wanted to stay away from orange.. beta is a good bike but they're all good bikes.
There seems to be this increasing trend of riders wanting to avoid going orange. I know why I'm part of that crowd, but it would be interesting to see the reasons of others.
@@crosstrainingenduro I recently went orange TPI, my main reason was the availability of parts both dealer and aftermarket. I also know that resale on KTM 300's is very good. Yes its a bitter pill to swallow forking out 17k for a bike that you throw down a mountain, and I think this might be why people are shying away from the brand. A friend of mine has a Sherco 300 (2019) race edition and he has had tuning issues despite the dealer making adjustments. He has fouled more than one plug on a ride (I'm 70 hrs in on my TPI with Race Map and never fouled a plug). He asked me to help him do a top end so I searched for the Sherco Workshop Manual (not owners manual), it is a complete joke compared to the KTM workshop manual. Go see for yourself.
My son just got a YZ 250 X and I REALLY like it ! I thought it would be peaky but power delivery is smooth ! currently I'm on a 2010 KTM 300 XCW.
Well, I really love my Beta RR300. And since I only buy a new bike every 10 or 12 years I'll be in my 70's for the next one. I'll check back in for your 2027 review of the latest bikes 😅🤣
I hope I'm still dirt riding in 2027, Dave!
I feel the same my,21 300rr will most likely be my last bike.I don't really like getting a new bike and have to go through the set up and buying all new protection pieces.I always have to at least buy new springs because they all come set up for smurfs
@@jeffbrownell279 Yeah, all the protective pieces can add up to a pretty penny! I agree about the springs. Rode my buddies bike with new springs and I couldn’t believe how much better it worked . I went and bought new springs the next day.
You sound just like me, 60 and just ordered a Beta 300 and thinking about changing it to the race version, any thoughts?
@@powerwagon3731 Other than the KYB suspension and other do-dads that they throw in I couldn't justify the extra cost. Plus I like the oil injection. People say the Sachs forks aren't very good but once I put in the right springs they work fine for me. I don't race so it's more about just having fun and the RR has more power that I really need. Have you gotten a delivery date from the factory? My buddy ordered a RR200 to be due in March and they said they can't fill the order now. He already sold his other bike so he scrambled to find a RE200, no RR to be found anywhere close enough to drive to.
Hi boys n girls.
Bought Beta crosstrainer 300 last November from Aklams Harrogate. Other than poor service from the shop..a bike that leaks coolant taillight blows everytime I go out leaks gearoil from output shaft ,constantly stalling low rpm speedo failure.
Sold January.thank the good lord..anyhow.. out on my RL 250.
Pe 250x almost ready for its first ride out .cant wait.
Carl Loughbor
Blighty
England
Damn, sounds like a bike built on Monday, Carl. 😢 A few Beta dealers have told me they must have some useless employees in the factory given how poorly some bikes are put together, they are always trying to detect missing parts, loose bolts etc before they sell the bikes. They reckon the union laws are too strong in Italy and you can't sack hopeless employees...
Beta RR 300 race edition like I have one and I love it
TM300 2022
I paid 16k for my TM.... KTM dealer price seems around 17k at the moment. Rieju was my other choice but heart said TM and glad I did. Quality components aside, another consideration is upgrades you may plan on your purchase and to take these into account. The TM already has rubber mounted bars, Mitas tyres, AND a kick starter. The Rieju Pro is on par parts wise with the TM and is also 16k. Both on the upper end price wise but still cheaper than the Austrians. Sure, not compared to a Ranger or Xtrainer but you're not really comparing the same thing. Also I believe the 22 TM's may have shifted from TPI to throttle body injection. Something I definitely would have been keen for if available but I bought a 21 carby.
You certainly get a lot with the TM in standard form, Rupert. Very very tempted...
@@crosstrainingenduro that throttle body injection vs transfer port injection is worth looking into. May not meet emissions for mass manufactures but TM can probably get away with it. Injecting at the throttle body means more time to mix in the crankcase? May solve the weaker bottom end issues. I think I heard ktm doing something similar but only for the purely off road competition stuff
I think I'd just prefer to go for the carb. It's cheaper. The bike is lighter. And just less to go wrong.
@@crosstrainingenduro Agree 100% ... Tm has buckets of power but like you I had a Beta before. Beta had more bottom but nowhere near the mid and top. I should have a head sometime in the next week with a hard enduro insert, different squish and profile. Developed by a guy in Europe who races these. 295 euros and includes gaskets. I get on fine on the TM but more is always betterer :P I'll let you know how it goes
If I get back into the sport. I believe I am going to go with the Sherco carb model
Do it for the love of the sport👍
i’ll take the TM what a stunning bike
For looks and dazzle it wins hands down, Dave. At least for me. 😍
@@crosstrainingenduro agreed, i’ve liked TM since i first got into bikes in 1996 with the pink TM80 but now it’s time to get one
I have a 2019 gasgas ec300. Reiju have largely fixed the starter issues. If you can feel the weight difference you are a much faster rider than me ! Carb , kick starter, one of the best out of the box suspension set ups. I would not right the reiju off it is great for technical riding and single track. Good luck with your choice!
Not faster, Alex. We do a lot of slow snotty tracks so we often need to lift the bikes. The extra few kg with a Rieju shouldn't bother most riders but we definitely want to go as light as we can.
For me it's still KTM. Spare parts should be mentioned, also fuel comsumption. Betas are very thirsty compared with others. Also maintenance is a big point. It seems to me that there is somehow a tendence of people tending away from the austrian bike because they just want to have something else, know what I mean? After all I would ride any of those bikes as long as I have dirt under my tires ;-)
Here in Australia, Sherco parts are just as easy to get as Kato parts.
There's a well stocked warehouse in Melbourne and another being commissioned in Qld, and then there is a Premium Dealer in each sales state that stocks a larger range of parts over the regular dealers.
Fuel usage once correctly jetted is as good as any other bike and the 2 strokes have 10.4lt tanks.
That with a torquey, reliable engine and good quality suspension, all at much less than the Austrian bikes, is a win for owners and why we have seen a doubling of sales numbers for the brand here. 👍
Likewise, I'm in Southern Sydney and no Sherco or Beta dealers. No issues with my TPI.
@@downanddirty6899
Sherco Sydney is a premium dealer that stocks extra parts locally.
Definitely worth the trip across town. 👍
What about husqavarna?
@@joshscoot2231 also a good Bike. Little bit overpriced, a plus point compared with KTM because of the linkage suspension. What I don`t like on the Huskys ist the Plastik Subframe.
If all goes to plan I have my name on a Tm300en carby with the big 12L tank also getting bash plates but I’m opting for this one as I think it looks the best but also carby kick start and Estart are my must haves on a bike I don’t want to be stuck in a gully with a dead battery or stuffed efi at least with a carby I can do work track side and all else fails I have a kick start 🤘
Good morning Australia from Italy. In my area we ride 300 2T a lot as we have pretty steep single tracks. Here what is reported from most. Let's start from Beta : 2022 model is one of crowd's favorite and eveybody sais it's the best Beta ever. TM is a great machine but the chassis is very stiff and they are better suited for racing than for everyday amatour use or hard enduro. The KTM/husky/GAS GAS triptych of course have they own hard core fans and the fuel injection is starting to be more accepted and are staples regardless the very high price. Sherco also is a very good machine but not so popular. What instead is very very interesting is the Rieju 300 2t as it is reported to e really good in hard enduro and has a very good price for the quality. I'm in the market for a new (or used let's see ) 300 2t so I apreciate your video (as always) and your point of view from down under. Bye !
Buonjiorno Paolo, come stai? In some countries the Rieju is very cheap but unfortunately not in Australia. But all the 300 stroke bikes are very good. You can't really make a bad choice!
Love my 2022 beta 300rr race so far !
I have a tpi bike and have put 150 hrs on it with no major engine or fueling problems. I guess I'm just lucky. I also think the different feel just takes getting used to.
I have the 22 Sherco Barry. I love it!
Just something about the ergos that I find sublime in the tough technical stuff.
I have about 60 hours on it and no issues at all.
They need to be jetted and re geared before you go to far. Stupidly rich from factory.
Out of my TE 300(tpi) rr300 500excf the 22 sherco is my favourite bike ever.
Yep, a few guys have told me that it MUST be rejetted before the first ride. It's been complained about for so long I wonder why the factory persists with that setting? Maybe it works in cold climates?
@@crosstrainingenduro very strange.
Let me know if you go this route. I can put you onto the sherco jetting master. I’m very happy with mine now. Absolute sublime engine and ergos.
Few little issues with plastics lining up and strangely routed wiring harness but all easy fixes.
I’m not a one eyed fan boy, have three different brands in the garage but honestly the sherco wins hands down.
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
Fan boy disgruntled haha. Though my xc-f 350 was a 4-stroke, I had zero problems with it and was incredible until sold recently. Next up ‘23 Husky TX 300. 🤤🤤
20’ ktm 300 xcw tpi. I’ve Loved it. Never had a break down 175 hrs. Change top end at 140 hrs. Piston looked great. No complaints. Don’t be scared if tpi. It works great. Smooth smooth.
As per the vid, the majority of owners shouldn't face issues. But it's very clear that a significant percentage hit all sorts of problems. And there have been enough seized engines at low hours to cause a supply shortage of top end parts in quite a few countries.
I have GAS GAS EC 250 2T 2018 Model and I very happy with this motorcycle 🏍 😄 ❤
cant beat a carb for bush riding IMO , i think i would try a sherco for my next bike
I bought a 2022 ktm 300 exc tpi 7 month ago, good bike but got a ccps failure so i've decide to toss it for a 2022 sherco 300 (i'm french so it was the best thing to do) and man, what a bike.
Pros:
Suspensions are amazing out of the box
Carb engine is really strong down low and you can rip your arms off if you twist the throttle too much
Real map switch with a noticeable difference between the two.
Cons:
The bike is some kind of small (i'm 1m93) so i've put bar raisers and now it's perfect.
The jetting is way too rich from the factory but a JD jetting has solved this.
Overall great bike and i don't miss Austrian bikes.
Vive la France toujours, Pierre. 😎 I absolutely loved the engine on a recent test ride...
How many hours have you done? Does the engine break down? do you recommend this bike?
Went from a 21' KTM 250xc (fun bike...hated the forks) To a 21' Sherco SEF300.. when its running its awesome. Ive had timing issues at 5 hrs, and now its back again at 10hrs. hopefully they get it rt now. KYB was good after revalve in the forks. Picked up a 22' KTM 300XC in the meantime...all round dream of a bike for first 10hrs... Forks for whatever reason were amazing and compliant out of the box. Tons of low end and the bike is nimble. As effortless as ive experienced thus far to ride. I think in the end, there is a palpable level if individuality w all these bikes. Id love to try a Sherco se300
There's certainly no one bike that stands out for everyone, Chris. A very individual choice! And of course they all have their known issues... it's just bad luck if you are one of the 5 to 10% who hit those problems.
@@crosstrainingenduro No doubt...firm believer in this philosophy..Keep up the good content !
Great video
Carbed TM . . . Done !
Honestly I'm keeping an eye out for a 2019-2020 gasgas ec 200 ranger
Beta makes a awesome 200
I don't own any 2022 models and that works well for me no issues on any and little to no fuel cost zero maintenance Oh wait confusion I just described my 2019 200 Beta 300 HR machine.
I’m so sad now I’m going to go cry because I just purchased a 2022 beta 300 rr race edition. I love my bike so far! We will see if I have issues. I’m still happy with my purchase. Keep up the awesome videos
You'll be fine, Donnie. 😊 It's only a percentage of bikes with electrical issues, see our Beta 2022 known issues vid to see how to do the check. They are genuinely good bikes but they just can't seem to get their electrics 100% bulletproof for everyone.
@@crosstrainingenduro hopefully the 2022 bikes will be better.
Your french accent is perfect ! Ready to drink red wine eating strong cheese and bread 😁
I have a 2021 300 sherco factory se, rough fork kyb and issue with footpegs 😕
Crazy good engine. No kickstart 😡
Short and easy to handle in hard enduro.
Thanks for your job 👍
Vive le vin rouge avec le fromage fort. 😍
@@crosstrainingenduro et vive l'enduro, la base 😜
I’m a husky/ktm rider for years now and it’s time to move on for me aswell.
I’ve just purchased tm 250 2t (carby) and can’t wait to throw a leg, I’ll let you know how that goes👍
I'll be keen to hear! Not sure if I'm swinging for a TM yet so keen to see what owners think.
For me it’s about spending my money with a dealer I trust as I think the buying experience and support is everything, (the bikes are all amazing) so I go to Toowoomba to get my sherco!
I like doing the same, Scott. Support the really good dealers! I actually bought my last bike from interstate just to support one of Australia's best dealers...
Picking up my 2022 Beta 300RR tomorrow. Keeping my 05 KDX 220 as well. A little bit of old school and some new school.
Great to hear, Blake! Have you heard about keeping an eye out for corrosion on that ECU connection with recent Beta models?
@@crosstrainingenduro yup, they checked it over
For '22 I'm sticking with my '16 KTM EXC. Yeah it's not perfect but it's the devil I know. Got my first race in a little over a week and loving the riding. Thanks for all the vids
I reckon KTM were doing really well those last few years with the carb models. Only a fraction over 100kg! Then the TPI added weight, complexity, problems and less bottom end power. 😢
Yeah I’m sticking with my 17 250 xcw for now. I really do wish Yamaha would update the 250x to be more competitive. I don’t even need EFI. And I don’t really care if they add weight to get electric start. That’d be my choice for a new bike, if it existed.
Currently a pumpkin owner looking to move to a Sherco 300 SE Factory. All the extras and at a much lower price than the KTM/Husky base offerings.
I'm steering that way myself... pretty good value for money.
Actually my 2022 rieju (mr pro 300) just arrive store, tomorrw I'm going to get that!
By the way I'm from TAIWAN! I love old gas
You are going to enjoy it!
It is a bit on the heavy side and the starter needs to be carefully maintained, but apart from that it is a reliable bike.
Nothing is cheap on it!
I have 250 hrs of trouble free riding!
台湾能买到rieju？大陆没有，他的起动机是个硬伤，但是有改装件。电机也有国产替代件。
@@vasilisdedes5100 thanks I will watch that !
@@aspirinchung1363 我相信我大多數時段我會以踩發為發動選擇⋯只要我能在坡中能踩發 這都會是我第一選擇！ 電動起發 這是逼不得已的選項👍
Is it a lot cheaper in Taiwan? I hope so! They cost too much here in Australia. 😢
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Не за что!
KTM hands down for me. Parts are everywhere here in the US, multiple dealers within driving distance as well.
I’ll keep my well tuned PE 175 Suzuki.
I was itching to ride one of those when I was a kid but never got the chance. Heard so many good things about them... I did get a ride an RMX250 years later which was a great bike.
The starter is definitely a weak link on the reiju .If you use it as intended i.e a re-starter.Kick when cold and only use the starter when the bike is at operating temp and it works fine . KYB , KICKSTART AND CARB ....awesome
We heard they would fit a proper e-start and overhaul the old design in its second year of manufacture but it doesn't seem to be the case. 🤔 I think they need to charge a lot less for the bike here in Australia, OR do the mods needed to bring it up to par with the competition.
@@crosstrainingenduro The starter isn't a deal breaker.The 2022 model starters are now oil bathed ,I believe .The main attraction is its simplicity.Being a Weekend Plonka ,I refused to have a failed fuel pump ,oil pump ,flat battery or some crappy sensor ruin my day .Manufacturers decision to remove the kick-starters is simply ludicrous and what to save a few hundred grams .Makes F...kall difference to me .When I purchased my Reiju it was about $800 less than a sherco and it had KYB and a kickstart.And yes ,Im a 64 year old Gasser tragic .Keep up the good work Bazz
@@crosstrainingenduro the starter definitely has been overhauled. Bearings where bushes were and bushes where nothing was. The starter motor also seems to be better, I've never heard a bike starter spin so fast. The system needs a bit a lube every now and then to keep it running smoothly but very easy to do