Jordan Peterson teaching statistics to Ratina Omidvar
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2017
- Clinical Psychologist Jordan Peterson explains to Ratna omidvar the importance of sampling bias and the need for random sampling in public consolation of legislature. From the senate hearing on bill c16
an appeal to authority becomes fallacious the moment that appeal has no merit or mechanism involved 
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chairman: "no you are fine"
he just straight up let her walk into the belly of the beast
Heeeeeeeelp!
"Give her enough rope ..."
😂 😂
Haha you could tell she was like “ i done gone fucked up now..” 😂
She had 3 whole pages guys it could take weeks to go through them all.
This aged exceedingly well. Like a fine vintage.
this hack wine metaphor continues to age like a used diaper in the hot sun.
No? This aged so poorly. You do not want a random sample size for the opinion of a population on these issues. The whole point of listing the opinions of the various institutions was for a biased sample. You want expert opinion on the issue just like you would value expertise on how to construct a publicly funded bridge project. Those who are not contending with the data should not have had a significant sway on the legislation of c16.
@@wasnt_it Where does it say _wine?_
@James Montgomery Freedom without limit exposes itself to the very forces that can facilitate its destruction.
Perhaps an amendment that attributes any discussion of the inhibition of free speech as a direct call to violence; that wouldn’t go a miss.
@@puffballavada6967 compelled speech is different from a bridge project.
She tries to minimize his argument by saying he's only a "party of one." As if there aren't many many Canadians who believe that this Bill is b.s.
honestly its a very good example of authoritarian appeal fallacy which alot of people on the internet seem to conflate with citing sources or providing reference material. I think that "Authoritarian appeal" becomes a fallacy the instant there is no merit or mechanism behind it. Which she hilariously got caught in the middle of it when she couldnt bring forth any valid points against peterson.
She got owned like I have never seen anyone get owned before!
@@Rockabillyrulzok Not only that, but the points he made to discredit her were shockingly simple to understand!
@@brumafriend It doesn't matter. Simply having the law on the books sets a dangerous precedent.
@@brumafriend I don't know the answer, but like I said, it doesn't matter. Just the fact that someone COULD be arrested is unacceptable.
Almost felt bad for her when the chair said "no, go ahead"
0mnis14sh I actually enjoyed it haha
She clearly didn't know Peterson's position.
I was caught off guard by how quickly she exposed herself as unprepared, uninformed and frankly, foolish, despite presenting the calm demeanor of a well-researched inquisitor that has a compendious grasp of the issue at hand. I sensed Peterson was agitated by the level of mental capacity he was obliged to address. That being said, as much of an idiot as Omidvar may be, NONE of her colleagues assisted and watched the bus roll over her and back up...awful.
I didn't feel bad her her.Sucked in bitch.That's what i thought.
The chair could see she was trying to get out of a hole she dug for herself and he wasn't about to hand her a ladder, lol.
@2:13 she tries to weasel out by saying that the chair would not want her to take the tiem to read it out. the Chair snaps back "no, you're fine" !!
"what are they saying specifically?"
"well in general..."
😂 She missed the whole point.
He is so verbally intelligent its jawdroppingly amazing just to hear him speak.
He’s so incredibly conducting the most meaningfully articulated words in a string of music. He’s so good.
It's truly incredible. I strive for that level of eloquence.
*hello fellow lobsters, how do you do*
@@inachang5394 *clank clank*
*snip snip*
August Hi feeling *crabby*
She looks mature enough to know not to ask questions unprepared. She assumed her question (plus "party of one" comment) was enough to destroy the witness, and send him cowering in a corner hiding under a blanket. I guess she didn't bring a blanket of her own in the end. She wished she had one.
She is a cultists, thus she thought she is prepared.
I thought she performed very well, at filling up the required 3 minutes specifying what the word "many" means, for all of us together--as well as any of us in the singular--who might not be totally sure about just that, whilst the chair figured out who they were going to call on to stall for them, next.
She is mature enough to know it.
She is not intelligent enough to put together cogent questions. 90% of her question was self congratulating on her adherence to a group ideology and superiority to a perceived enemy, not spending a moments thought onto what that perceived enemy was trying to accomplish.
She is an embarrassment to humanity. An embarrassment to Canadians and an embarrassment to adults.
Does she even still have a job? She's barely qualified to be a stamp licker.
but the bill passed.
@@benjamink.1970 indicating a larger scope of the spread of wanton stupidity.
Sadly, this cancer that has infected Canada will only be removed through revolution. That revolution will only be able to effectively happen peacefully if the government of Canada totally collapses. As a Canadian, I believe Canada will enact its own self-destruction within the next 20-30 years, maybe sooner, but I don't know. I'd rather not be there when it happens. If it happens later, I'd really, *REALLY* prefer not to be there when it happens because when socialism gets to that stage, that's when millions of people starve.
Canada has been ruined by the far leftists. It must be from their own hand that its collapse also happens. Fortunately, history doesn't always repeat itself, but it does tend to rhyme, so we probably don't have to wait too long. Perhaps within this generation, perhaps within the next. Slipping into socialism/communism can not continue indefinitely.
Trudeau is now under investigation for yet another corruption scandal of dropping 900 million of government funds into his wife's pockets (well, sort of indirectly), so we'll see if that wakes up the Canadian populace. I doubt it. Unfortunately, the type of leader Canada needs right now is not represented by any other politicians in the field. Canada has no political leaders who have clarity of mind. If there were, they wouldn't be anywhere near popular enough to get any headway. Canada is openly hostile to the types of ideas that they need in order to survive the next 50-100 years. That's a bad mix there Canada.
2:05
Jordan: you say they. Who are they? You say they say things. What are they saying, precisely?
Newman Clone: I think we're done here.
Legislator: No no.... go on.
When you speak the truth, your words are unaffected by time. When you passive aggressively lie to support nonsense, your words age poorly almost immediately. Peterson taught Nicholas Matte the same lesson.
Well put!
“An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
💯💯 Thanks for mentioning.
So Gandhi then was no postmodernist.
That "so" at the end is packed full of flavor! LOL
"I have hundreds of pages from dozens of groups filled with thousands of people who disagree with you. How to you square that?"
- " Well, what are they saying?"
"They say, bad things are bad"
- "I also agree that bad things are bad"
...........
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That was pretty funny. Her whole argument was to show his industry disagrees with him, only to show everyone it doesn't.
@Jigov i dont get it, JP is so smart, yet his internet comment section followers have an average iq of 85 and remember only 5 years of history, how come?
Same thing with Einstein, Socrates, and other great minds. It just happens
Sadly, the people in the room who were dumb enough to listen to her probably found that to be a pretty convincing argument. This bill passed. So the people responsible likely have barely enough IQ between the lot of them to carry on competitively in a debate against cauliflower.
Not against eating cauliflower... against an actual head of cauliflower.
An absolute disgrace.
@@CrzyLion can you please be more specific? His internet comment section followers have an IQ of 85 and only remember 5 years of history.
Where did you find this group of people? How did you assess their IQ as 85? How did you arrive at the conclusion that they can only remember 5 years of history?
Ironically, this is your response against someone who feels that communists are steeped in demagogy. Are you perchance a communist? Are you trying to prove him right?
@@eschelar do u think calling people stupid is demagogy? same way jp fans seem to think theres communists hiding in trashcans despite communism being dead and buried in the west. its dumb as fuck and these comments are the reason people look down on jp "oh look at his fans, frustrated young little male virgins, jp must be alt right"
She got bodied.
Wrestle-mania style super-slam to canvas !
Lmao whoever posted this should add the sound effect of a body bag getting zippered up right after Peterson ends with "so..."
Bill passed and she keeps her popularity vote. I guess she won at the end
Statistics, simple math, common sense - all things way over her head. All she understand is simple minded slogans
SHE HAS FILES AND FILES OF BUMPER STICKERS.....HOW DARE YOU
@@buildinit6523 i cant stop laughing lolol
She doesn’t understand the human mind enough for even those Lmao. Probably has to have her party deal with it for her.
I'm sure she understands that. She just doesn't give a damn, her mission was to push that agenda knowing all too well that its not a good thing. Which makes it worse. I'd rather be an idiot who doesn't know any better than a horrible human being.
Probably why she became a politician
"Tell me how your opinion matters. You're just one person. We're all the experts." -- That is classic movie-bad-guy rhetoric.
And his move is then: (angry voice) I am so good and you don't understand me, ramble ramble ramble.
👌
Like Global Warming.
@@naomiharbour7841 Omidvar's move is an argument from authority. Peterson's move is 1. This is how statistical sampling really works. 2. I agree with the statement you read. 3. Your law compelling speech doesn't address the problem.
Your move, Naomi, is ad hominem, and inaccurate ad hominem at that.
But the irony is that it's not his "opinion", he's just stating the facts.
I cannot begin to tell you how I admire the courage of this man.
Best part of the hearing. She got obliterated.
The salient purpose-duty of the state is to uphold statute law, balance its finances, and defend its citizenry. These folks want to deal with nebulous social and psychological issues when they're not, or incompetently, performing their primary duties.
Yeah, but the salient purpose-duty demands actual work. When you are a diversity hire, work is hard. So you start talking about social justice, quotas, gender discrimination blah blah blah...and at the end of the day you destroyed instead of building something.
Defending human rights isn't protecting it's citizens?
What universe is that in?
@@E.J.Crunkleton Well, in your universe "human rights" likely mean anything some bureaucrat stipulates them to mean.
@@johnchambers2996 you're wrong, but I doubt I can convince you otherwise.
Finally, the video has a fitting title.
It's satisfying to watch someone like Jordan Peterson completely put someone like her in her place. She's an ignorant, privileged person who needs to be educated. You have to vote people like her out of office, though.
The Canadian Senate is not elected. My regrets to anyone who gets confused about this. It's a house of individuals appointed for life at the recommendation of the prime minister. So senators appointed under previous prime ministers (including, obviously, prime ministers belonging to other parties than the current governing party) stay in the Senate.
Ilya Ibrahimovic what a terrible idea.
@@mjtechnoviking44 Have a suggestion for how to get it changed? The system has been in place...since before Confederation, if my history is correct. I don't even know what the mechanism would be to change this aspect of the system, or if there even is a formal process for that.
Ilya Ibrahimovic well an election with term limits wouldn’t be a bad thing. Seems to me like having one guy appoint all these people would mean he wouldn’t appoint anyone who would oppose him.
@@mjtechnoviking44 That's not what I meant. People have talked about alternative setups for a long time. There's a reason none of them materialized, and it has to do with the structure of a democracy being difficult to change - by design. Regardless of what system we might want to change to, the issue is getting it implemented.
The SJW's behind him are trying to figure out why they are offended, haha.
no, i think the guy writing his dialogue just couldnt keep up lol
You don't know if they are SJW's or not. What a rediculous assertion.
@Connection Lost Nope, I fucking hate SJWs but I also hate the dumb cunts who assume anyone left of center is an SJW. It's simple minded bullshit and it just seems to prove that you and Jayna might not have the intellect to join in with political discourse. YOU GUYS AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE A BIG PART OF THE REASON EVERYONE IS SO DIVIDED RIGHT NOW. As well as your equivalents on the left.
Politics isn't meant to be a war, it's meant to be diplomacy. We should be looking for what's best for everyone, rather than telling people on the opposite side of the discussion to fuck off because you disagree with them. Thesis meets antithesis and forms a synthesis. That's what we should strive for, but nope, everyone just wants to think they're right all the time. This childish mentality has absolutely decimated reasonable discussion.
To paraphrase JP; every action by every person moves us either one step closer to salvation, or annihilation. Make sure your actions take us in the right direction.
@@highestsettings 100% agree man, I hate people like that. It's so pathetic.
@@Willi.am05 Most children want to be adults. So why do so many adults act like children?
Lady: "you're entitled to your opinion"
Me: "what's the point of having an opinion if I will go to JAIL for expressing it"
I appreciate so much this clarity from Jordan. Wonderful example!
"I use logic smack." *rolls crit*
9999
LOL people still play DnD?
Yeah, but only the cool kids. Like our IT department.
Andrew Haack *DM says
"your attack hits the AC Unfortunately the SJW Tarrasque is immune to logic attacks!*
only recently got into d&d but so far i'm amazed by it. it's an interactive unifying fiction for the human race, i'm almost certain.
It is a life goal and dream of mine to achieve a level of verbal expression as succinct and precise as Dr. Peterson's.
'no you are fine' from the chair blew bombs in her heart.
Someone this awesome is pretty rare. Really wish there were more Jordan Petersons, particularly in America.
3:07 The kid in the blue jacket is beginning to wonder whether he is at a discussion on legislation or a human roasting.
Right from the beginning, Omidvar is trying to discredit JP with her "party of one" reference.
And I agree 100% with everything he said.
You agree with him years later even after he was shown to be 100% wrong about "compelled speech" and fabricated problems with the bill that didn't exist.
Amazin.
@@E.J.Crunkleton Firstly, there are two genders - male and female. There are two pronouns used to describe these genders - he and she. Anything else is made-up nonsense.
So C-16 was attempting to penalize people for not buying into the Marxist narrative the LGB community is pushing.
@@jamesgray7064 those are sexes.not genders.
You're welcome.
@@jamesgray7064 it actually doesn't penalize anyone, it's a civil protection for trans individuals against bigotry from people like you who think you can define them out of existence by claiming they don't exist.
Unfortunately for you, we can see that they do.
@@E.J.Crunkleton JP and his lawyer demonstrated a time line of likely events that would mean imprisonment for not using a 'preferred' pronoun.. That means its not 'preferred' but rather compelled. You are wrong and are one of the reasons the world is drowning in chaos. Be better
Thank you, come again.
Absolutely destroyed her, Come back Mr Peterson. The world needs more Men like you.
He was on his daughter's podcast last week.
We need this man on the front lines more than ever these days ...
Worth respecting the woman for being fairly level-headed and well-intended, only misadvised. This is what such forums are all about - exchanging ideas! Always come at this stuff from a place of kindness and compassion. Too many of us around this time (2017) myself included couldn't resist a certain smug superiority of smashing through with FACTS and LOGIC.
Blue Angel exactly,
It could take 50,000 years for her to get close to his level of thinking. If I were there I would have been cheering after his return serve! Bravo!
Never gets old. 👍
Love the reaction on the face of the bowtie boy. Not sure what pushed his button but his frown is telling.
Like we have the “Hitch-Slap” I think we should have a term call the “Peet-Slap” for situations just as this one
PETERSONNIHILATION!!!
@@eschelar ....we'll put that on the shortlist 😊
"he/she/it/xyz pronoun was sent over the Jordan!"
@Friday’s are cool I don't think they would need to. Both Jordan and Chris were able to handle their shit and get along with people with whom they had some disagreements. It's only the mentally weak who cannot. I believe they would find a great deal of mutual respect.
Jordan Peterson is awesome
HE'S BACK!!
Why do I find it so uneasy that clueless people are put in positions of power, and why are they put in positions of power?
Sex
Cause decently thinking people don't want to deal with clueless corrupt people with nothing but agenda that currently occupy higher position, would go mad.
We smart people go into business, leaving the power of politics to the bottom tier business people and most corrupt people
I have finally come to the conclusion that clueless are put into office by even more clueless people and all of them far outnumber the rest of us!!!
people vote them in.
Gotta love Peterson, he always ends with his classic "so" :P
I'm almost speechless.
I love how the guy in the blue blazer had a hard time understanding what jordan was saying near the end of his answer.
This could only be bettered if at the end there was a voice over from Mortal Combat announcing "Flawless Victory!"
Poor Ratina had the "I'm so out of my league right now" look in her face .....
"ah shit should've taken that stats course" Ratna Omidvar
My god she got absolutely torched
I love this guy.
His argument was so eloquently put, but I feel like it went over 95% of their heads
She was overwhelmed with logic.
God damn! Nice work Jordan!
CRUSHED
Affirmative action at work
As an Indian-American, I would like to boldly assume the position of representative of Indians/Indian Origin folks and excommunicate her from our ranks. Perhaps the Pakistanis or the Bangladeshis will be so kind as to take her in?
a truly intelligent man is monster dangerous
Jordan ❤️🙏
I love how the first thing she did was make an appeal to authority.
As if humans aren't fallible lol.
Like A Boss!
I think the people in the background deserve some sort of stoicism award.
If I was in that crowd my mouth would have gone slack for a moment, followed by a very loud “DAAAAAAAAAM SON!”
Wishing Dr. Peterson a speedy and complete recovery.
She gave the staredown of the century when he said, “No, go ahead.” She’s like dont you remember the safety stare we talked about before OG Peterson came in the room?! This is it!
Intelligence is a beautiful sight.
We don't need politicians anymore we need leaders.
You love to see it.
My hero
anyone know whatever happend to C-16? did it get passed? I havnt heard anything of it since all of tis went down
That's a home run.
LIKE A BOSS!
The video cut off after 3:35, but for those who are interested, the words after "So" were "So stick that in your pipe and smoke it"
Game, set and match.
Damn, that's some heavy roasting; like a slippery eel that tried to worm itself outside the pan before realizing there was fire waiting.
What a man
It's pretty satisfying 😅
Legend says she is still recovering from this steam roll accident.
lol
Lovit!
I wish I could hear it.
Don't worry about hearing anything
Rekt
Just wanted to let you guys know that I know dozens of people in Spain that read, follow, listen and support Peterson. This guy, despite the fact that he may not like it and may have certainly not looked for it, is one of our most important worldwide thought leaders in XXI century and we must be thankful for having him.
Wanna see the DISC in action?
who else paid more attention to the woman behind on the right hoping to see a quick flash of her you know what, rather than the mute with the questions
like a boss
Is it just me or is the guy on Peterson's left in the blue suit the same guy who gave the most epic reaction on xfactor
And so it began
This video should have the subtitle (Argumentum ad verecundiam). In brackets.
Mr. Jordan you of all people should know that there is no cure for stupidity no matter where it shows up.
I clicked expecting to laugh at some “silly person” not knowing statistics but I’m afraid the great Dr. Peterson has humbled me and taught ME about statistics and statistical fallacies...
Luis Gonzalez Rios yes! It’s really common sense! The trick they try is to throw numbers at people to have them abandon their common sense!
politicians arrogance, calmly dismantled by J.B.P. you just gotta love him for that.
Ratna? fitting name
Peterson roasted her. She's too stunned ( and filled with Flavor Aid®) to know it...
let me finish that last sentence for you Dr Peterson "...So.....get REKT?"
Where’s the rest?
She seemed like a nice and caring person. She was trying to be respectful to Dr. Peterson. I give her credit for that.
Still though, she was obviously looking at things people fed to her instead of actually knowing the material herself.
Being unprepared when you're going to be talking with Dr. Peterson will get you eaten alive every time.
Peterson is not as a great as people think he is. It's largely a product of his writing style. He's like Post-Modernists, in a sense. They use complex language structure and "big words" to baffle their audience while saying very little of import. Peterson has a strong religious agenda bias and it clearly shows in his work. He makes all kinds of baseless assumptions and just claims they are universal truths everything must accept.
@@s0515033 what 'baseless assumptions'? Just give me 10 examples. And please be precise in your language.
@@edenbreckhouse Peterson isn't precise on language. He's vague as fuck and fills his prose with dense gibberish to disguise his assumptions and weak ideas. This allows him to move goalposts and fluidly slip out of conflict. So asking for precision about a guy who is as amorphous as the blob is hilarious. BUt he says all his bullshit in a soft voice, so it is disarming.
@@s0515033 that's now an example.provide an argument rather than ranting that "he's this","he's that".
@@viveksalotkar839 I did. The argument is that his positions are dubious because they're based on faulty assumptions of the foundation of society. Further, he then assumes that because that is the foundation (agree for the sake of argument) it should be that way. Because he sees it as good and necessary. This is not true either.
Other arguments of his are based on naturalistic fallacies, where he goes from "this is the way it is naturally, therefore, you should act in accordance."
He just complicates it by putting it under layers of dense prose he can weasel out of when confronted. I saw him doing this in debates with Sam Harris all the time.
Are the likes a dislikes hidden by you or did youtube hide them so they can no promote this video
Did I witness a murder?
She basically loaded a gun and gave it to him.
Peterson for some sort of advisory role in Canadian parliament please
She was made an example of...
they oppose him but can't argue with him.
Jordan Peterson:
sjw’s when they stumble upon his common sense: 3:11