1:50 to answer your very good question that the can am guy did nt have a clue about the answer: They placed the upper ball joint further in the wheel and the upper a arm bushing further in the frame. This result as an upper a arm slightly longer than the lower, wich help with the roll center of the machine. They sacrificed a little of track widh change for a better roll center
I miss the light weight 2-stroke atvs. I'm looking at installing a 850cc into a Polaris scrambler chassis. Myself I currently ride a highly modded yamaha raptor 770cc with plus 3mm intake valves and plus 2mm exhaust valves plus many other things. Let's say it's just stupid.. My daughter's Yamaha blaster is also built it will take a stock Polaris scrambler 400 2-stroke in a drag race for 2 high line pole lengths before the other machine slowly catches up. It tops out at 72mph stock was around 55mph. It's at the limits of pump gas and its geared to the moon, even worked the transfer ports, extreme port n polish yz Reed cage, bigger air intake and carb as well. And 23x7 up front and 22 inch tall tires out Back.
The 570 was perfect for me. Just right for speed, low end grunt, and takeoff fir tye riding i do. How does the new 700 compare ilto it in the real world, not the spreadsheet?
I had a 2018 Outlander 570 Max XT, and I traded it in for a 2023 outlander 700 Max XT. The 570 is lighter, faster all around period. With that said the 700 chassis is so much better, I no longer bottom out on trail rides. It rides smoother, stays more flat going around corners and is over all a nicer ride. My longest single ride a far has been 150kms of bush/ trail riding, and I wasn’t sore or tired, I could have gone longer. The brakes are better too. The 700 isn’t as smooth at idle. Fuel economy is about the same. 700 top speed is 105kph, and kind of struggles to get there, but it is fast enough for me. If you really like power get the 850 or 1000.
Let’s just race the 570 vs this 650 . They’re using the same engine across a lot of platforms now. Two outlanders , Maverick trail 700, and the lower Defenders , and if I’m not mistaken the lower Commander ? Money. Streamlined production . 570 prolly puts 1-3 lengths on it.
@@Dusdaddy no wayyy man …you think the 8 fiddy might beat it ? Typical engineering paths are forward in all aspects meaning not reversing power output . The 650 outlander at 62hp would skunk this new “700”. I like can am lol , and I’m sure these are fine units but it’s dangerous territory to leave what made you unique, which for Rotax is hard hitting power, to compete with better built Japanese machines in this class at the same power levels . 45-50hp. And I’ve had a 1000, so thanks lol.
@@joekearney Yes, an 850 can beat a 570 in a drag race. But that's my point, is a drag race the most important thing in an ATV? It does nothing to tell you how good a machine is overall.
Watched a video where the 700 raced the 650 and the 700 won by a slight margin. Can't really explain it myself. The 700 beat the 650 twin off the line each time. Maybe if they had raced farther the 650 could have overtaken the the 700, but with the line they used the 700 won.
it'd be interesting to know why they went away from the TTI rear suspension setup that they touted for years (and woods racers liked) the ease of maintenance is nice, but if a little heat on your legs bothers you this is the wrong sport for you. if you're wearing shorts the same statement applies. he was off a little on some specs. im splitting hairs, but the 450 and 570 had 8.8 inches of rear travel not 8.5. also they were 46in wide vs a standard outlander 500/700 being 47.6, so more like a inch and a half, not 2 inches. it sounds like this machine runs good out of the box, but for the "modders" of the world i think you'll still get more out of a twin that is close in size. i am eager to hear how this machine does in a more thorough test with more varied types of terrain.
I think that TTI was really focused on higher speed trail riding. It’s great if you need to glide over bumps at 35-40 mph, but suck for stiffness and costs in making it. I think they should’ve kept the smaller machine with the 650, rather than get rid of it. These were basically made to compete (and destroy based on specs and such) the 500-700cc class in the Japanese markets, who have had free reign to raise the prices on their machines without meaningful updates and features
Coming from a different brand, what I constantly heard Can-Am owners complain about was the heat on the legs and the difficulty of maintenance. I think it's a great sign that a manufacturer addressed owner complaints. I think that's awesome. Enough so that I jumped brands to Can-Am. I was in the market for a new machine, and I chose this 700. I rode a 570 and it was bad enough that I knew I didn't want it. And of all the comments after all the initial reviews, the biggest complaint has just been, "it's different!" because nobody can say it is slower, worse on the trails, or anything else...yet.
Well, if you're being that anal, you are not telling the whole story either: the XT and the Pro of the 500/700 are 48.8" wide so 2.8". I think the best thing they could have said was 2" wider without losing everyone in the details.
@@Dusdaddy so details arent important, especially coming from a can-am employee? why dont they just round off all the specs? how long would it have taken to say "1.6 inches wider in standard trim and 2.8" in XT and pro trims" that's a mouthful.. i never rode anything to the point that a little engine heat would be a deciding factor, but then again i wear long pants, not shorts and flip flops like some atvers... is it cool that they cut down on the heat? i suppose, but i never rode anything, including my 4 year old outlander 570, that got so hot that "i cant ride this.. oh jeez" i did say i was spitting hairs, but im glad you got your "anal" reference in. im not looking to go back and forth with you either, so ta ta!
That thing clearly don't smoke a 570 v-twin engine.... 2 more hp "that what they say" but weight 890 pounds and the 570 only weight 700 pounds so no way 2 more hp on a one cylindre can go faster than a 570 v-twin that weight almost 200 pounds less.
So? If you wanna a race, I wouldn't show up at the track with a 570 anyway. That has zero influence on most owners as they are not riding around asking people to drag race.
Buying my first ATV fairly soon. Should I buy one of these or an Outlander 850/1000. I’m buying a Max, so to take the grandkids for rides out at the cabin.
Your first ATV? Get this. I would not recommend an 850 or bigger as your first ATV. I've been riding for 30 years. Easy rides around the cabin, especially with kids? Yeah, keep it simple. I ride hard and I am getting one of these.
This looks like Can Am cutting costs. Which is okay if the sales price going out the door is significantly cheaper than what's been offered before. And me? I have a 2023 Outlander Max 850 V-Twin. It has no shortage of torque for me and less of a giant one-lunger thumper engine being smoother with two cylinders. I chose the V-Twin for a reason and I would pass on this Can Am.
Hey that's great for you but many do not need that large amount of power. This is a single, but the power is there sooner and lasts longer than a twin. It won't win a race, but I don't race. This is for the ones replacing a 570/450. The XT version is a full $2700 less than 850 XT. That's huge. I maxed out a Pro model with IEB/ITC and 4Lok front diff. My OTD (Tax, title, Covid surcharge, docs) price was still below the 850XT sticker price and I wouldn't have had the 4Lok.
@@Hoonson Rigjt, but the Grizzly SE or XTR is wide, includes winch and weighs a 100 pounds less. I’m just curious as to where the weight is coming from?
the price is good but can am rapes thier custumors on frieght n charges are ridiculous and people are gonna wiegh out the cost of buying the 500 and changing the cam n tune to make it 700 since its the same engine the cam n tune are only differnce to get the 10hp more 500 40hp 700 50hp
He acts like it's some superior single cylinder engine because it has more torque and hp than the 570 vtwin. Well DUH! Of course it's going to be like that! You're comparing a bigger 650 engine to a smaller 570 one! It's got a bigger bore and stroke. Rather than tell us the obvious, why not tell us the real reason why you went to a tubular frame and double wishbone rear suspension. And why is the front rack on this thing like 6 feet high?
I'd like to see a drag race between last years 570 and this 700. I know the 570 smokes grizzlys and king quads, I think can am lied about the 570's power out put so guys would buy the bigger twins. They cut corners to keep the price down, it's cheaper to make tubular frames and A arm rear suspension. I dont mind the tall front rack, it keeps the rad up higher out of the muck without doing a rad relocate.
They weren't trying to compete with the 570, they were trying to compete with the Japanese singles. He coulda compared the TQ to the current 650cc twin as well.
@@nseric1233 lol depends on the Kingquad man. Currently fbo tuned 0-100 I’ve taken out a few 570s and 650s with it. I find the renegades pull harder over the outlanders tho. Probably the lighter chassis
@@andrewaikens5624 I was talking stock vs stock. My buddies have king quads and 570's, the 570's are faster stock by quite a bit. I know if you tune a king quad they get a lot faster, they're choked up bad stock.
@@nseric1233 yo yeah man the intake is what boggles me big bottle neck in it. That’s why every time a Kingquad hits the water steam comes rollin into the bottled intake kills the bike cutting airflow off. But I know stock for stock I lined up with a 570 outlander 0-100 pavement when I first got it I could take it but not by much. For sure the can am has top end speed on me. But yet the 570 renegade that thing pulls me from the dig I never understood it must be the lighter weight and lighter clutch weights lol. I’m not worried about top end speed tho my end goal is to have the fastest 0-100 I can get out of it lol. Gonna have to upgrade soon tho as I’ve done everything and more to the ole girl already.
That's what I did@@truckingoover. I have a 2023 Outlander Max with 850 V-Twin. I'll take the smoother engine every day over a huge once cylinder thumper. Yes, it was more expensive, but I keep my stuff for years and years. Over time a few thousand dollars don't look like much when riding a better machine.
Great Video. CanAm is finally making an affordable toy .
1:50 to answer your very good question that the can am guy did nt have a clue about the answer:
They placed the upper ball joint further in the wheel and the upper a arm bushing further in the frame. This result as an upper a arm slightly longer than the lower, wich help with the roll center of the machine. They sacrificed a little of track widh change for a better roll center
Mine is an xmr and I love it
I miss the light weight 2-stroke atvs. I'm looking at installing a 850cc into a Polaris scrambler chassis. Myself I currently ride a highly modded yamaha raptor 770cc with plus 3mm intake valves and plus 2mm exhaust valves plus many other things. Let's say it's just stupid.. My daughter's Yamaha blaster is also built it will take a stock Polaris scrambler 400 2-stroke in a drag race for 2 high line pole lengths before the other machine slowly catches up. It tops out at 72mph stock was around 55mph. It's at the limits of pump gas and its geared to the moon, even worked the transfer ports, extreme port n polish yz Reed cage, bigger air intake and carb as well. And 23x7 up front and 22 inch tall tires out Back.
Why don t just buy a scrambler 850?
@@ericlessard5021 850 2-stroke motor. 160hp plus naturally aspirated
@@joeyholthusen6495 ok, i see now lol
The 570 was perfect for me. Just right for speed, low end grunt, and takeoff fir tye riding i do. How does the new 700 compare ilto it in the real world, not the spreadsheet?
I had a 2018 Outlander 570 Max XT, and I traded it in for a 2023 outlander 700 Max XT. The 570 is lighter, faster all around period. With that said the 700 chassis is so much better, I no longer bottom out on trail rides. It rides smoother, stays more flat going around corners and is over all a nicer ride. My longest single ride a far has been 150kms of bush/ trail riding, and I wasn’t sore or tired, I could have gone longer. The brakes are better too. The 700 isn’t as smooth at idle. Fuel economy is about the same. 700 top speed is 105kph, and kind of struggles to get there, but it is fast enough for me. If you really like power get the 850 or 1000.
Let’s just race the 570 vs this 650 . They’re using the same engine across a lot of platforms now. Two outlanders , Maverick trail 700, and the lower Defenders , and if I’m not mistaken the lower Commander ? Money. Streamlined production .
570 prolly puts 1-3 lengths on it.
And I bet a an 850 will beat the 570 twin, but who cares? Race results don't mean much for most ATV riders. And if it does, they buy a 1000...
@@Dusdaddy no wayyy man …you think the 8 fiddy might beat it ? Typical engineering paths are forward in all aspects meaning not reversing power output . The 650 outlander at 62hp would skunk this new “700”. I like can am lol , and I’m sure these are fine units but it’s dangerous territory to leave what made you unique, which for Rotax is hard hitting power, to compete with better built Japanese machines in this class at the same power levels . 45-50hp.
And I’ve had a 1000, so thanks lol.
@@joekearney Yes, an 850 can beat a 570 in a drag race. But that's my point, is a drag race the most important thing in an ATV? It does nothing to tell you how good a machine is overall.
@@Dusdaddy lol man I was messing with you I know an 850 would outrun the 570. I agree that doesn’t determine the overall value of the machine .
Watched a video where the 700 raced the 650 and the 700 won by a slight margin. Can't really explain it myself. The 700 beat the 650 twin off the line each time. Maybe if they had raced farther the 650 could have overtaken the the 700, but with the line they used the 700 won.
it'd be interesting to know why they went away from the TTI rear suspension setup that they touted for years (and woods racers liked) the ease of maintenance is nice, but if a little heat on your legs bothers you this is the wrong sport for you. if you're wearing shorts the same statement applies. he was off a little on some specs. im splitting hairs, but the 450 and 570 had 8.8 inches of rear travel not 8.5. also they were 46in wide vs a standard outlander 500/700 being 47.6, so more like a inch and a half, not 2 inches. it sounds like this machine runs good out of the box, but for the "modders" of the world i think you'll still get more out of a twin that is close in size. i am eager to hear how this machine does in a more thorough test with more varied types of terrain.
I think going away from the TTI allowed them to gain more clearance.
I think that TTI was really focused on higher speed trail riding. It’s great if you need to glide over bumps at 35-40 mph, but suck for stiffness and costs in making it. I think they should’ve kept the smaller machine with the 650, rather than get rid of it. These were basically made to compete (and destroy based on specs and such) the 500-700cc class in the Japanese markets, who have had free reign to raise the prices on their machines without meaningful updates and features
Coming from a different brand, what I constantly heard Can-Am owners complain about was the heat on the legs and the difficulty of maintenance. I think it's a great sign that a manufacturer addressed owner complaints. I think that's awesome. Enough so that I jumped brands to Can-Am. I was in the market for a new machine, and I chose this 700. I rode a 570 and it was bad enough that I knew I didn't want it. And of all the comments after all the initial reviews, the biggest complaint has just been, "it's different!" because nobody can say it is slower, worse on the trails, or anything else...yet.
Well, if you're being that anal, you are not telling the whole story either: the XT and the Pro of the 500/700 are 48.8" wide so 2.8". I think the best thing they could have said was 2" wider without losing everyone in the details.
@@Dusdaddy so details arent important, especially coming from a can-am employee? why dont they just round off all the specs? how long would it have taken to say "1.6 inches wider in standard trim and 2.8" in XT and pro trims" that's a mouthful.. i never rode anything to the point that a little engine heat would be a deciding factor, but then again i wear long pants, not shorts and flip flops like some atvers... is it cool that they cut down on the heat? i suppose, but i never rode anything, including my 4 year old outlander 570, that got so hot that "i cant ride this.. oh jeez" i did say i was spitting hairs, but im glad you got your "anal" reference in. im not looking to go back and forth with you either, so ta ta!
That thing clearly don't smoke a 570 v-twin engine.... 2 more hp "that what they say" but weight 890 pounds and the 570 only weight 700 pounds so no way 2 more hp on a one cylindre can go faster than a 570 v-twin that weight almost 200 pounds less.
So? If you wanna a race, I wouldn't show up at the track with a 570 anyway. That has zero influence on most owners as they are not riding around asking people to drag race.
Good point
Not sure why people bicker about different machines and new features. Competition helps all riders.
Buying my first ATV fairly soon. Should I buy one of these or an Outlander 850/1000. I’m buying a Max, so to take the grandkids for rides out at the cabin.
Your first ATV? Get this. I would not recommend an 850 or bigger as your first ATV. I've been riding for 30 years. Easy rides around the cabin, especially with kids? Yeah, keep it simple. I ride hard and I am getting one of these.
@@Dusdaddy Greatly Appreciate your reply and I will probably go with your suggestion.
@@Dusdaddy Looking more into this new model, I’m surprised that they have put the smaller cluster screen in it.
@@pjfan173 Yep, I think they only have one size for these 500/700 size. I do like the fact that they integrated the heated grips on that screen.
@@Dusdaddy I think I will place on order a 2024 and hopefully they will make a few changes on them.
Can you easily wheelie these?
This looks like Can Am cutting costs. Which is okay if the sales price going out the door is significantly cheaper than what's been offered before.
And me? I have a 2023 Outlander Max 850 V-Twin. It has no shortage of torque for me and less of a giant one-lunger thumper engine being smoother with two cylinders. I chose the V-Twin for a reason and I would pass on this Can Am.
Hey that's great for you but many do not need that large amount of power. This is a single, but the power is there sooner and lasts longer than a twin. It won't win a race, but I don't race. This is for the ones replacing a 570/450. The XT version is a full $2700 less than 850 XT. That's huge. I maxed out a Pro model with IEB/ITC and 4Lok front diff. My OTD (Tax, title, Covid surcharge, docs) price was still below the 850XT sticker price and I wouldn't have had the 4Lok.
It is a heavy unit. But interesting none the less.
Lots of trails have a 48” gate at the trailhead so bigger tires won’t work. Don’t know the size of the stock tires
Interesting, I've never seen 48, always 50
By the way, the 650-1000 have been 48" wide for some time now.
Why does it weigh so much?
They are built to last and work.
Yep, that question has yet to be answered. Amazing how heavy an XT version is compared to others.
It's much wider for one. The XT also includes a winch.
@@Hoonson Rigjt, but the Grizzly SE or XTR is wide, includes winch and weighs a 100 pounds less. I’m just curious as to where the weight is coming from?
@@Hoonson it does but it's even heavier than the Pro Hunting edition which not only has a winch but full skid plates.
Really DW could not afford a mic ?
the price is good but can am rapes thier custumors on frieght n charges are ridiculous and people are gonna wiegh out the cost of buying the 500 and changing the cam n tune to make it 700 since its the same engine the cam n tune are only differnce to get the 10hp more 500 40hp 700 50hp
He acts like it's some superior single cylinder engine because it has more torque and hp than the 570 vtwin. Well DUH! Of course it's going to be like that! You're comparing a bigger 650 engine to a smaller 570 one! It's got a bigger bore and stroke.
Rather than tell us the obvious, why not tell us the real reason why you went to a tubular frame and double wishbone rear suspension. And why is the front rack on this thing like 6 feet high?
I'd like to see a drag race between last years 570 and this 700. I know the 570 smokes grizzlys and king quads, I think can am lied about the 570's power out put so guys would buy the bigger twins.
They cut corners to keep the price down, it's cheaper to make tubular frames and A arm rear suspension.
I dont mind the tall front rack, it keeps the rad up higher out of the muck without doing a rad relocate.
They weren't trying to compete with the 570, they were trying to compete with the Japanese singles. He coulda compared the TQ to the current 650cc twin as well.
@@nseric1233 lol depends on the Kingquad man. Currently fbo tuned 0-100 I’ve taken out a few 570s and 650s with it. I find the renegades pull harder over the outlanders tho. Probably the lighter chassis
@@andrewaikens5624 I was talking stock vs stock. My buddies have king quads and 570's, the 570's are faster stock by quite a bit. I know if you tune a king quad they get a lot faster, they're choked up bad stock.
@@nseric1233 yo yeah man the intake is what boggles me big bottle neck in it. That’s why every time a Kingquad hits the water steam comes rollin into the bottled intake kills the bike cutting airflow off. But I know stock for stock I lined up with a 570 outlander 0-100 pavement when I first got it I could take it but not by much. For sure the can am has top end speed on me. But yet the 570 renegade that thing pulls me from the dig I never understood it must be the lighter weight and lighter clutch weights lol. I’m not worried about top end speed tho my end goal is to have the fastest 0-100 I can get out of it lol. Gonna have to upgrade soon tho as I’ve done everything and more to the ole girl already.
bestimmt kein schlechtes fahrzeug allerdings hat can am alles beendet was can am mal ausgemacht hat !
Buy a 700 Yamaha and then you will have a great quality quad !!
Or throw a little more money and just get an Outlander 850, Yamaha is good but it’s 20 year old tech.
@@truckingoover yes !! Yamaha have went downhill over the years
That's what I did@@truckingoover. I have a 2023 Outlander Max with 850 V-Twin. I'll take the smoother engine every day over a huge once cylinder thumper. Yes, it was more expensive, but I keep my stuff for years and years. Over time a few thousand dollars don't look like much when riding a better machine.
I have 2 grizzlies and they do all i want and then some,and reliable for years
The 700xt is $5000cad cheaper then the 850xt