Banned Judo techniques that should come back and WHY!!!
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- This video discusses some of the banned techniques that should come back and how if they come back they will take Ippon Judo to a whole new level.
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I love how this shows that judo and jiu jitsu were the same martial art, but different sport.
Yes exactly right
Mind blown
Correct!
kano filtered out deadly moves and maked it a sport then named ot judo. The origin was tenshin jujitsu.
@Donal Finn many who seek the arts of swift kills like ninjas lament the watered down judo, samething occur in aikido, they yearn the original version ie aiki jujitsu...
Thank God my judo club teaches Kodokan Judo and not IJF specific shiai rules judo. Leg grabs for life.
Donal Finn I’m sorry brother :( they’re definitely in the wrong. I get why the rules changed, but it’s important to at least touch on “illegal” techniques or they’ll be lost :(
Donal Finn I’ve never been hurt with a leg grab, but almost got KOd by hiza guruma lol. My sensei will even allow Achilles locks, knee bars, and toe holds on special occasions. Most of us cross train in BJJ too to scratch that itch, one guy formerly did catch wrestling.
Grabbing legs need to come back period
It was banned so that it doesn't look wrestling
Why? Does that even make sense?
Yes please, not look like wrestling dont seems a good motive to remove a technique, this should be backward if it works on other sports lets incorporate or modified to Judo.
Banning leg attacks in Judo is tragic and suspiciously arrived after the success of Mongolian and Russians styles!! Why not simply create different divisions like Freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling? Only add never take away. Over the years Judo has become ridiculously specific with far less crossover potential... it feels like one day they'll sew the jackets together, only allowed two or three different throws and ban you for life if you compete in any other sport!!!
I practiced Judo for years, from 19 to 32 years old. On that time, several techniques, like the ones applied grabbing the legs were allowed. I stopped the practice because with every rules modification, the olympic judo became more and more ineffective as a martial art. So i switched to Jiu Jitusu after been soundly defeated in a friendly bout (I have several regional and one national medal in judo from that years) by a Jiu Jitsian who still is my master and best friend. Both are the same martial art, but olympic Judo is becoming more and more a shadow of what Jigoro Kano, Mifune, Kimura and the other great masters developed. A Judoka friend and i were even scolded by a master for asking for the practice of Atemi Waza on one ocassion, and my friend just showed him the Kodokan Book , were you can find an entire chapter that is practiced no more because "that´s not sport".
If you're in the US or Australia there's freestyle judo
I keep saying for Judoka check out the JJIf ruleset -- it is primed for old school Judoka
I am aware (and much curious about it) that there is a sort of "Judo Rescue Project" initiative ongoing in Japan, led by no other than Yasuhiro Yamashita, current Kodokan Guardian and All-Japan Judo Association president, accompanied by great names such as Kosei Inoue and Keiji Suzuki; they are visiting schools in Japan and bringing back traditional and healthy customs on Judo training and learning, bringing back some of the philosophy as well. And I say this initiative has many more enthusiasts in other countries, who understand that modern competitive professional Judo is going in a different direction from what Kano Shihan intended (as said by himself soon before his death). Judo should go back to be a martial art, in the first place, so people can learn, train and practice it entirely, including all of the techniques, and also have a competitive aspect. But Judo has been taught and practiced only for competition, and this is the real problem.
Yes a million times yes, can you please send me a link or something that can help me learn more???
@@Chadi , all I know is from some comments heard from Sadao Mulero sensei in his videos, who lived in Japan and has friends in Kodokan. I'll ask his son for more info, but I don't believe there is a website for such a project. I you have any contact in Kodokan (or in Japan, anyhow), perhaps they could provide any more information. Please let us know if you find out.
Will do
Thanks the Olympic for that. To me, though an amazing marketing tool it is, Olympic watered down martial arts. Your Olympic gold medal doesn't mean sh*t in professional boxing, and only a very few selected gold medalists ever got their hands on the champion belt.
And look at what Judo and Taekwondo has become after being regular Olympic sports? The rules were watered down to be more eye-catching. It's harder to see in Judo, but today Taekwondo athletes don't kick any more, instead they slapped each other with their feet to score points, and apparently you can't catch someone's leg when they're kicking you. Hell, they even abandon techniques because some certain techniques are easier to score points on certain types of electric armor.
Karate also suffered the same fate. It has not been in Olympic yet because Olympic Tokyo was postponed, but in its path to be accepted to the Olympic, Karate is moving towards Taekwondo's direction, many techniques are banned because they look too "violent", and techniques that are only useful in some very rare specific cases are spammed for points.
Banning leg attacks in Judo is tragic and suspiciously arrived after the success of Mongolian and Russians styles!! Why not simply create different divisions like Freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling? Only add never take away. Over the years Judo has become ridiculously specific with far less crossover potential... it feels like one day they'll sew the jackets together, only allowed two or three different throws and ban you for life if you compete in any other sport!!!
Excellent content as usually. Iny opinion judokas should be able to compete in bjj tournaments. Travis stevens commented about ijf not denying all his requests to compete in bjj tourneys. This is ridiculous. If they won't change ruled judokas should compete there. Bjj has the most open rule set for grappling in gi. Judokas also would force bjj players to improve standup. Win win.
100%
I started judo in 1976, when standing arm locks and standing strangle holds were still allowed, along with throws like kani hasami and moroti gari. It made a passive approach unattractive which made for dynamic bouts. Jigoro Kano originally never envisaged shiai to be part of judo, and the beauty of randori is, that no-one ever wins or loses, freeing you of all constraints. The way shiai is set up, taking risks isn't rewarded. The way Shuaijiao bouts are set up are much more conducive to high risk/high reward techniques. A single ippon hardly ever ends a Shuaijiao bout, and consequently you see a lot more of them. A popular Shuaijiao saying is that boxers hit with their hands, but wrestlers hit with the entire earth. Also, there is a lot more room for fighting for kumi kata, which increases the chance of good throw, as opposed to being coerced into making an attempt to avoid shido. Long story short: with Chadi on bringing back these techniques (and possible others). Keep up the good work, and thanks for all the work that goes into this!
From Brasil: congratulations for the video and comments. Here in Brazil, with the growth of Jiu Jitsu and the changes in Judo, which left him feeling embarrassed and limited, he began to think that efficiency had also decreased. However, the recovery of all Judo techniques is necessary, to make true a sentence of the late Sensei Medhi: "Jiu Jitsu is Judo poorly done"!
I am not a judoka... but I absolutely agree bring back the old techniques unless they are deemed absolutely dangerous or deadly. I am a martial artist and... All martial arts should evolve... great video
Thank you
Nice video, as a bjj guy I wish we'd integrate more judo and standup into our training.
I feel like bjj guys generally have the same 5 or so bad takedowns: double leg, single leg, a variation of leg trip, and hip throw.
Suplexes are banned in bjj unfortunately, but you can learn a clean uchi Mata or obi tori gaeshi it will land you in side control
What else do you want, bjj is a carbon copy of Judo's ground game.
Garrik English , why are you so butthurt against BJJ? If it wasn't for the BJJ the ground work of Judo and Kosen Judo would be easily undervalued and forgotten.
@@garrikenglish1332 you must be a bjj expert?
@@garrikenglish1332 maybe 30 years ago but now bjj has evolved far past judo
I've been complaining for many years about the way Judo is being watered down. I really believe that they will soon go beyond yuko and koka and start awarding points if you make your opponent blink. Judoka no longer have that burning desire to score ippon. They are satisfied if they win a decision on less than waza ari. You can no longer grab a leg. I don't give a crap if you grab his toenail. If you make the throw you get the ippon.
No matter what they try to force it'll always be easier to stall until golden score and then get a minor score win... the criteria for ippon is just too demanding and should be what it always was before...a one punch knockout way to win a match regardless of the score
One suggestion on the turtle problem: Just allow more time on the ground. Without a referee to stand the match up, the turtle becomes waaaay les attractive. Thats when you suddenly realise that you have to defend the turtle for several minutes and that you have no way to win the match from there. ;-)
Agreed
It is sad to realise that the sport has been split in half : Judo is standing grappling and jiu-jitsu is ground fighting. It is the same sport and a far more complete martial art than people make it to be
Agreed
Hi. Can you make a video about judo’s changes? From the begining to today. Thank you.
You got it!
Great idea!
@@Chadi Yeah!! Like a list of how the techniques were banned and in which year and why. Would be totally cool and I think actually helpful to improve the poor state of judo. Some changes could be proposed/done working from there!
@@agalvan91 there's this one
ruclips.net/video/EtA1CGWQOec/видео.html
Kano jiu jitsu had strikes and weapons and self defense throws ground grappling till it became judo later in the Olympics and because mostly sport
I think that even more problematic is how current scoring roles are setup in the first place.
They are all about the uke fall with no regard to how tori is positioned in the end of the throw.
This makes throws like ku ochi makikomi an effective technique in judo while they are a very bed idea in self defense and any role set in which the fight will continue on the ground, or the common finish to a lot of hip throws in which uke is on his back and tori is on top of uke but also on his back
The Fact that the IJF cares more about pandering to casual spectators at the expense of Judo and Judoka is really gross. I particularly hate how the weakest, slowest, and gentlest role of someone onto their back counts as an Ippon throw. People need to organize independently. judo competitions with old school rules.
Judo eeds a reform for sure! Crocodile rolls are no way in hell a waza ari or ippon
I've always been interested in how "traditional" martial arts went down hill. I don't even do Judo, but, I find this fascinating, as, it's a glimpse back to a time when these moves were actually used for life-and-death combat.
These were used in warfare, they are of extreme use and scientifically amazing with the use of leverage and positioning.
Oh it's a shame. That's like us and Chinese martial arts. Try getting someone in Tai Chi to practice the joint locks, breaks, and take downs on a partner can be frustrating. People think that all you need to do is move your hands and your world is transformed.
@@blockmasterscott if you want to practise some Chinese style joint locks, breaks and takedowns, I recommend study some Qinna, which is much easier to learn and apply than Tai Chi. Although having a certain degree in Judo, Sambo or a combination of wrestling and BJJ would also give you the grappling skills you need.
Im a new beginner of Judo, but I have study it ever since the the last year and in my opinion I think it should remained how it was created and atleast having extra training lessons about those techniques that are banned instead of giving all the credits of the founders of BJJ.
the IJF management SHOULD watch this video! You are absolutely right the turtle is the worst strategy in terms of self defense and competition rule, it simply shows that the judoka is safe from the rule, but lack the ability to fight in a guard position
Exactly! They say safety is important hence the rules, well turtling can put you in a dangerous position in any other context.
@@Chadi but I think the IJF have their balls tied up by the IOC by not having judo look too similar to wrestling, unfortunately. Either way it's a disaster when anything to do with the federation. Koryu is the best
Sukui nage (in its old form) is a technique which is practical in both grappling and striking . It just shows how dumb and artificial it is to ignore half the human body.
Historically, you find it in judo but also karate. It is a bread&butter sweep/throw in Yoseikan Budo which comes from both. And Lyoto Machida has proved its worth extensively in MMA.
PS: Good luck banning turtling, people would be forced to work on their ne waza :D !
It should not be considered stalling if you are not given much of a choice, but staying in this position should lead to a passivity penalty.
Allowing leg locks also prevents stalling by giving the guy in the turtle an offensive option apart from sweeping.
As a guy who’s been saved by Te Guruma (in BJJ) many times: Apart from making leg grips immediate, make a rule that they can be used to finish a failed technique (failed seoi nage to leg grip kata guruma), or for defense (using a single leg vs uchi mata)
Chadi, today I agreed with you 100% my friend. Great analysis.
Chadi you never disappoint. I can sit down and watch all of your videos.
Thank you 🙇🏻♂️
Excellent point, Chadi, this subject deserves to be discussed more thoroughly among Judo community. I have competed in Judo when leg brags were legal, and saw all the changes in the rules from that time. In my humble opinion, also as a referee myself, a big problem was the excessive tolerance from referees regarding bad posture and poor, savage techniques. Especially among the lighter weights... sometimes the combat turned into a mess of arms and legs flipping around, until they were on the mat staring at the referee's waiting for some score (and their coaches shouting for it)... it was ridiculous, a real lottery! So many times I gave Shido for bad posture and lack of combativity, and my peers cancelled it. Anyway, in my opinion this tolerance was wrong, and shamefully became a tendency which helped to ruin good Judo in competition. Poor techniques would not be scored, bad posture and stalling should be punished by shido both in tachi and be waza (turtle position, for example), and kuzure kumi kata should be punished with shido if done for too much time (kumi kata exists for a reason, so if you are doing a variation, it must be for instant attack). In addition, I vote for returning not only leg grabs, but also leg and foot locks, and all of the traditional Judo and Ju Jitsu (distinct from modern Jiu Jitsu, but with the same origin) techniques. Exceptions should be made regarding really proven dangerous techniques such as kawasu-gake and perhaps the straight leg bar, and techniques should be allowed according to ranking (like side-tsurikomi-goshi is forbidden below the green belt, if I'm not mistaken). Sorry for the long post.
Thank you for this post, don't apologise I myself will study to be a referee soon
kano himself banned leglocks
Nice to see these techniques!
The Gerbi Choke looks so sick. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing with us this amazing material, it's gold.
🙇🏻♂️
Well indeed stuff must come back, I agree to obi otoshi and obi tori gaeshi but I also want all the leg grab techniques to come back, kata guruma, sukui nage, morote gari, kibisu gaeshi, kuchiki daoshi, te guruma, I don't agree that it will look a bit more like wrestling it wasn't looking like wrestling when those were used it will change the game dramatically for the self defence aspect, wasari sould be given if you take your opponent down with the back and if you just dropped him sideways you sould just continue to newaza , no guard pulling for the love of God, you know if the guard is used more, then leg locks sould be a counter to that , the only problem is that if you break the ankle one time then the problem remains and it breaks easier, the knee bar is extremely dangerous because you don't feel pain until it's too late , we don't even talk about ashi garami Ofc it was from the first things that gone out, calf locks are a bit less dangerous but only if there is no body weight involved so I am up for that. Gerbi choke sould be back again I really don't see the point of removing it from the begining, also I don't see the point of awarding ippon when someone does a sutemi waza and drops down while any leg entanglement from the opponent because the sutemi user dropped first , in that case I believe that the man who has control after the move sould take wasari for that, its unrealistic to control someone fully with the sutemi and because the other guy touched your foot to take an ippon or wasari . Ippon must remain like this the perfect technique , perfect control dropping the opponent with the back or head. I don't want body locks and guillotine drops those stuff are really for wrestling. That's it anything else is only for self defence and sould be given some attention from judo schools.
Thank you for your constant lengthy comments man! And always watching i truly appreciate it for always giving your opinion.
@@Chadi indeed lengthy sory for that! 😂, I would like to listen to your opinion about what I said if you have the time.......
I agree with everything except the leg grabs, i think judo should have 2 competition ruleset, kosen and olympic, leg grabs do them in kosen all you want cause the ippon is only pin or submissions but olympic i want minimum pants grabbing and really crafting effortless throwing.
@@Chadi you changed opinion, I remember you wanting kibisu gaeshi back, I think all those techniques can be effortless even kata or te guruma at the right time, anyway though, leg locks are dangerous in essence many ppl overestimate their ability to absorb them and leg grabs are kinda safe techniques for the average player and if you give wazari for a full controled leg grab to the back but no point for less controled leg grab to the sides etc will be enough demotivation to not only playing shooting game.
2nd Dan here, now retired. Kata Guruma was a huge loss, together with Morote Gari. The IJF were short sighted and the BJA, as ever, kept silent. Bring 'em both back as permissible below belt Te Waza techniques
olympic committee needs to loosen the reigns
The IJF in paricular
Just pay them. I am sure an accommodation can be made. :)
In fact, if NBC / CBS / Fox Sports or another large network tells the IOC that ratings will go up 50% if Judoka do the chicken dance before each match, there will be a new rule for doing the chicken dance before each match.
Thanks for another great video! A reflection on IJF wanting to distance judo from wrestling by banning techniques where the legs are grabbed ex. morote gari. There are several techniques that exist in both wrestling and judo such as ippon seoi nage, ura nage, ogoshi deashi harai just to mention a few. (and several others that you pointed out in your videos about wrestling and judo) Why do IJF just choose to bann techniques where the legs are grabbed to distance judo from wrestling?
To me, it sounds more like an excuse to change judo in a direction that benefits and creates benefits for countries whose judo is less freestylewrestling-based.
Not to mention the undoubtedly major disadvantages for judo as self-defense when those techniques are banned.
Sorry for the long post.
One of the main reasons was, that many fighters just grabbed the leg and started to run until they got a score. That looked like shit and the IJF wanted to force judo in a more technically way. In the first few years it was ok to grab the leg in a combination or as counter. But often that wasnt clear enough to decide was it a combination or not. So they decided to bann leg grabbing. If you really want to learn judo for self defence, you should start Jiu-jitsu, or practice techniques for higher Dan-grades.
I whole heartedly agree but maybe there should be limits. Te Guruma for instance should be brought back but maybe just as a counter to attacks like uchi mata. Travis Stevens has interesting thoughts on the leg grabbing issue. Leg grab attacks that don’t score points but lead to newaza fighting.
That's a great suggestion too
Nice video bro
Thank you
Tbh im not exactly a fan of how your videos present. But I do see that what you’re doing for the community is great, so I’ll be supporting (albeit reluctantly). So take my thumbs up and sub
Tho telling the world more about tomiki is pretty cool
Thank you
amazing video
My proposal for a leg grab change would be to make it so that you can only grab one leg with one hand at a time. That way you're still reducing the risk of judo matches devolving into bad wrestling matches by eliminating things like double legs and single legs (since hoisting a leg up with only one arm is extremely difficult), while retaining most other traditional judo throws that involved a leg grab.
If you wanna take it a step further you could also make it so tori's knees can't touch the floor before a leg grab, to stop people from shooting on the legs sloppily to stall for time.
That would bring back Te guruma/kata guruma and sukui nage as a kaeshi waza and kibisu gaeshi which is not bad at all
This was my thought since the leg ban started, but ijf are just a bunch of corrupt politicians using judo as a form of buisness
Agreed. I enjoy your videos showing historical content. I consider the 'turtle' position as one of the very dangerous and weak positions and has no place in Self Defense other than to transition immediately to another position via rolling etc. . The issue is that some may assume this position from sport side and they actually are doing harm to themselves. I have actually witnessed from my vehicle a young man be murdered by several others when he stopped and turn to fight instead of running away he had sufficient lead to get to safety. I watched in dismay while he tried to engage one of his opponents perhaps pride got into him, (!) he took his shirt off to show off a muscular v shape body yet the others came at him, he was hit he fell and was kept by one other in the turtle position he was held now from the front over the head and being choked any thug can grab for a choke ....while the others now kicked his sides breaking ribs etc.probably knifing to the point that he collapsed on the dirt where they continued to finish him off. Within seconds he was dead and they I gathered at least five assailants were gone. It made the news as another few minutes story in Miami. I would like to see more of effective instantaneous transitioning from the turtle position to other positions implemented. Also transitioning from one to two three or more opponents from one technique to another from block to atemi waza to ippon to ne waza and then back up standing in succession. This is what I teach and advocate to my kohai's. I advocate and teach the principle of 'discrete continua' as in mathematics or in simple terms beads on a string....where continuity can be irepresented by an infinite flow Aiki(do) function yet the discrete continua are individually each one of infinitesimal value and in succession. The path vector filed is easily understood by Green's/Kelvin Stokes theorem
As a wrestler these all seem impossible in wrestling
Yes thank you! I understand the Japanese want to ban leg grabs to look more like judo and less like wrestling since there are common techniques, but grabbing the pants for old jujutsu techniques should be fine.
@@Chadi How about you also allow leg grabbing (below the skirt) but if you do, you cannot score any points? UFC should work as an advert for judo. Look at what it did for bjj
@@hedgehogvssmog9903 The UFC offered the IJF to fund a large tournament for it and they declined, so as not to be affiliated with them in any way.
This Bushido way of the monk BS the IJF likes sticking to in its' policies just ends up watering the sport down and making it less popular, unfortunately.
6:52 I love this choke, I’ve used this and the 10 finger variation for no-gi successfully.
I think if they want to allow guard pulling then you should be allowed to do the Daki-Age 😂
Exactly! If you pull guard I'm gonna slam you
I think that 80% of judo players did a lot of leg grabs, and techniques like ipon seoi, morote seoi, koshi guruma even tradicional sode or standing tec's were being forgotten.
My 2 cents: unban leg grabs, introduce leg lock. Judogi can be grabbed in every way. If u don't want certain grips don't use the gi. In my opinion, the only thing that is important is the Ippon, the way in which you achieve it is irrelevant.
Very true!!
Thank you Omar
Adapted the first technique for use with body armor and in getting some reps in. Hopefully I can show it to some USMC martial arts instructors and they’ll add it to the curriculum.
Fingers crossed
The turtle position was there even before the gerbi choke was banned? It is quite recent. I dont think it will eliminate the turtle position.
Anyways.. I love your videos chadi! Thx for another great one
Thank you very much! Yes I'm aware the turtle position is old but techniques like Gerbi choke and leg locks can possibly eliminate it
@@yuriysemenikhin302 Yeah, my coach taught me to just use it to get out of a bad position and as the oponent starts moving roll out of it or grab a leg/escape some other way. It's wholly ineffective otherwise, as there's many ways to break it if you just lay there, haha, not to mention outside of the sport.
90% agree - but here's the thing about leg locks in top level judo - folks are gonna get hurt for sure. People already don't tap to armlocks and get hurt, and a twisting lock like a heel hook would be devastating. I'm cool with straight ankle locks and _possibly_ the one in the katame-no-kata because that one hurts like hell.
Did you learn leglocks in judo?
Completely agree. Changes like these would make me want to compete in judo again
Agreed
In the old footage it shows the practitioners left hand passing over the left hand of the opponent, in the new footage on the other side he inserts his left hand below the opponents left hand, is it changement or it works both ways? It's around 3:20-3:32
It works both ways
Great video. Training atemi waza for real should also be a thing again.
Agreed
Ehi chadi, do you think that leg grabs might come back this year ?
Iam with you they can do rear nake defense wich needs obi otoshi; BUT we cant apply obi standind? Thats each other problem I use on tatame...
Love the video, problem with the obi-o toshi tho is, there is no way to control uke all the way to the ground. The pants /skirt rule should be adapted tho
Thank you Jonathan i agree!
Another option in order to stop the use of the turtle, would be that being in the turtle in a sprawl kind of position could be considerated a hold, so that if a judoka stay in the turtle during 20 seconds, he lost like if he stay in a kesa-gatame or any other hold.
What about kata Guruma???
what music do you use?
Is there any banned judo ground, locks, chokes, submission techniques. If so please make video on 🙏
There's a lot
ruclips.net/video/hKygX9ly9n8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/YTn22lkCNjw/видео.html
The IJF should rescind the ban on reverse seoinage, one of the most beautiful and effective creations of all time....I practice Judo for 52 years since January 1970 and the reverse seoinage together with the variation of the Italian kataguruma (current) and Koga's Sode-surikomi-goshi backwards with one hand, are the most effective and beautiful I have seen so far throughout my entire career as a Judoka.
I think kanibassami and te guruma should be back , Chadi. Good job you've done.
Agreed 1000% Chadi!
Thank you!
I think it would be better to just bring back the rules from 2012 conserning the leg grabs. As for the scoring and shido I think it's fine the way it is
Agreed!
You are right. The turtle is stalling and should be looked at as such in competition.
Indeed
In the Obi-otoshi it is interesting to see how Mifune passes his arm over uke's arm. In contrast, the other master puts his arm under uke's arm.
Eddie Bravo began a Combat Jiujitsu game where open hand striking is allowed to expose weakness in sport Jiujitsu and force Jiujitsu players to respect the threat of strikes, making BJJ grappling more self defense aware. I feel Judo should do a similar form of randori competition, allowing open hands to the face/head and knuckles to the torso, forcing Judoka to develop more respect for threat of strikes to make Judo training more conducive to self defense while minimizing injury. Also, agreed, turtle position is worse thing to happen in Judo competition.
Also make a no gi variation??
@@Chadi interesting concept. Perhaps having different styles of Judo competitions, like BJJ does, would help Judokas develop into more well rounded fighters, should they wish to compete in various alternative Judo competitions. And for traditional Judoka there's still the IJF. Make something for everyone. Create more variety.
@@SoldierDrew yes times evolve
LOL eddie bravo didn't invent that lol he just popularized that. Jujitsu people who wanted more self defense style jujitsu trained with slaps to the face and body long long ago.
How about leg grabs???
The name judo comes from the decade 1920s, before it was called kano ju jutsu, in the name change something was already lost, Mestre Jigoro Kano was minister of sports in Japan and introduced judo to the world.
I 100% agree with him
Thank you
Problem with Sukui nage is that most people who execute that technique usually lift with their back which can cause back strains which will also make the technique less effective. It got banned in 2010 because of that reason. Also the major problem with obi Tori gaeishi is when you fall you have to catch yourself or you will faceplant the mat. If you don't catch yourself, it will cause head or spinal injuries. Also I forgot what that technique the girl in the video was doing, but that leg over the head was causing a neck crank which is extremely dangerous and can leave someone paralyzed.
You know'some new judokas dont even know that leg locks was part of old judo, self defense and newaza too. Some europeans schools dont even teach all concept of newaza.major part of them just do the olimpic judo..sad...
Extremely sad i know they only teach transitions from tachi waza to osaekomi or kansetsu/shime waza very few school do Ne waza Randori
@@Chadi yes, thats a important part that judo have been lost last 15 years. Im blue belt in bjj 2 years. What save me is the powerfull back grown of newaza it is similar. Im still training transitions as well.lol ✌
I also wonder if you have any opinion regarding the boring struggle for Kumi Kata, which eats up the time from most of competitions. Competitors look like slapping each other, it's so pathetic. I also consider there's been an abuse of the use of the gi. What I mean is, many competitors will try to trap the opponent on his/her own gi and will throw them just because they have no way out, they've been caught on their own clothes so their only option is to fall to the ground. That's why you see so many horrible ippons, the opponent not really hitting the ground but just rolling on his back from being trapped. This makes the judo style of the IJF look weak. You can compare that to the All Japan competitions and you will see how much more solid and tough their judo is, they're not struggling for the kumi kata and their throws are solid straight to the ground.
The Japanese stick to the sleeve and lapel, and that's why all japan ippons are wonderful, but kumi kata has evolved over the years, check Kato vs Gracie the most boring kumi kata
people already do obi-tori-gaeshi in international competition...they just grab the belt with both hands
Yeah this is good
Everything IJF bans from judo, people incorporate to jiu jitsu and make jiu jitsu bigger while judo decreases. These rules make no sense.
What Judo/Juijitsu school retains all these techniques of teaching of old without compromise and waterdown? I want it all in its pure form of old to respect the old Senseis is this even around or possible anymore? All these old videos you have of masters, have me hooked I feel nostalgia for something I have no knowledge of with a yearning to learn out of respect for the art and growing a deep love and curiosity for it can you point me in the right direction?
I suggest you watch all hal sharp production videos (nage waza, kansetsu waza, shime waza, and osaekomi waza) and kyuzo Mifune videos
@@Chadi Thank you thank you 💙🙏 I will continue to return to your channel again thank you for showing me the right path cant thank you enough for your knowledge and state of mind on this tradition in the modern world. Good luck stay safe and bless you good fortune and health.
Like before I saw the video, good job chadi. Please can you make a video about the life 9f founder of aikido before ww2 and before he became a pacifist.
Sure
The Olympic rules ruined judo
Can more people please share this video to judo Olympic committee, tell them this is what we want.
I wish
what ever way you get to the top of the mountain the view is the same.
Grew up doing judo in L.A. back in the 80’s and 90’s and used daki-age quite a few times when BJJ’ers weee first showing up to local tournaments. Shame it went away.
How about making every throw but spiking on top of the head legal again? And by every I mean even kani basami.
Kani basami can bust both your knees, Yasuhiro Yamashita is one example
It's a same mechanic as knee reap in bjj. Basically because there are people who would rather suffer injury than lose couple of points, lets make the technique illegal. Brilliant.
Bring them all back!
The pursuit of "ippon judo" is what has been ruining the game.
My sensei told me how the olympics took out all the leg grab throws. And seeing them im like shit, it made judo so much more diverse! Amd practical too. Would be dope to see in present day competitions!
There is freestyle judo in the US and Australia still uses these techniques
@@Chadi whoa really??
@@Chadi just looked it up! O man got to make sure I train it all because would love to compete in freestyle too!
Hey Chadi, I love you, I also hate the f* turtle!! And it's so true, it's so against the spirit of judo, it's like just lying there unwilling to fight and actually dangerous. However, I don't fully agree with the leglocks, I think they should stay on the syllabus as self-defense and taught on regular lessons but not taken back on competition, as they are extremely dangerous as far as I know, I mean, the knees are so fragile from my own experience. I've even heard some Japanese teachers suggesting avoiding the drop Seoi Nage, to which I agree, because of the potential harm to the knees in the short and long run.
However, I forgot to mention, some Japanese teachers used to teach the art of attacking from the turtle position. This I think, should also be taken back, but as means of an attack just because you happened to land on your face, not from actually adopting this position from the beginning
Yes that's an option too, but regarding leg locks maybe only stick to ankle locks and calf slices, the idea behind them is to not turtle and play a good open guard until the referee calls Mate, if you're gonna stall do it in a way where you're safe at least
I do not agree on the obi otoshi and the khabarelli throws because of what neil adams recently said in one of your videos: When the rules are not black and white players will find ways to bend them.
I do howere VERY MUCH AGREE on the newaza part of your video. I would like to see the lapel choke back as well as leg locks (maybe starting with ankle locks only first) to prevent turtling or stalling prone on the floor.
Obi-tori-gaeshi looks like it would easily turn into a DDT if the uke struggles-- idk when I think 'is this dangerous' I think if they did it sloppy. -- IRT the turtle, I feel the guard is way more vulnerable then the turtle. If I am in your gaurd I have disabled two of your weapons and you cannot stand easily. You also have produced some vital points super clearly. Ban guard before turtle. From a turtle conversely I have my weapons and I can stand up directly. I see a clear difference between the guard and turtle.-- it usually takes an opponents full effort to restrain me In turtle where you can immobilize an opponent just by being in their gaurd.-- also the turtle occurs often in untrained fights so training with it makes some sense.-- I like some of those techniques though. Let locks I am not certain because the simplest escape is usually a kick.
Also catching the leg and turning around until the opponent fall.
there is a technique that is similar to obi tori gaeshi, like a stand up sumi gaeshi.
Yes Russians are good at it, it's like a legal obi tori gaeshi
IJF rules it's okay for me, because it's a sport and it's more safety, also differenciate it from the others sports, but in the gokyo or in the katas (in other words, the curriculum) must have this and other wazas and you should learn it and practice regularity in class
Why not guard pulling. For me I want to see variaty. I want to see ALL what judo has to offer.
Just give the referee a giant paddle.
When the ref sees anyone stalling in turtle they recieve one giant whack with the paddle while they pose in the turtle position.
Having wrecked both my ACL & cartilage in Judo I agree with the ban for leg locks - I will limp for the rest of my life.
The other points seem fair though...?
My apologies for your injuries
Chadi - no worries, I don’t think I was trying to throw You with a badly performed Ippon Sieo Nage (apologies for the spelling)😁😁. Too much, too young!!
That is sad to hear, but that hardly justifies a ban of all leg locks. Straight footlocks for example are less risky than heel hooks. Also, there are people who have injured their shoulders in Judo, so that would qualify for a ban on ude garami and gyaku ude garami.
And throws can cause injuries, as well.
Too many should come back, morote gari, kani basami and a whole host of others.
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Very smart. Thank you.
Thank you!
Olympic Games was the best and the worst happened to Judo.
Jitsu is judo judo is jitsu
Hello there. Obi tori gaeshi is used very oftently by the Georgians but without grabbing the leg. About the leg locks, they are very dangerous to use and train with them. I believe it's right that they banned.
Thank you for your insight! Aren't georgians doing yagura nage instead of obi tori gaeshi?? I know tchirikishvili did front uchi mata/yagura nage
@@Chadi All these techniques that mainly Georgians and other Caucasians athletes do, are just modified original techniques, adapted to the ijf rules. For example Kata guruma-Yoko otoshi without grabbing the leg and ofcourse modified obi tori gaeshi.
What! The technique at 1:44 was banned. That is literally my favorite throw.
🤔Obi Tori gaeshi looks very dangerous. I can imagine uke landing on their neck !! Not surprised it's banned. - in a competition match anyway.
Is that imposing by american?
they changed judo rules to not look like wrestling but what does that even matter leg grabs is the original judo, doesnt matter that it looks like wrestling its still judo.