Line arrays are at a price premium, not really any reason except for demand. Considering the tech work required to get them working, you would think they would cost less. In time sanity should prevail. Companies who design in tech to take the work out will prosper
De las personas que realizan videos es usted la unica persona que responde con claridad y de manera rapido, por ello muchas gracias una consulta en cuanto a la linea rcf das fbt y jbl usted con cual se queda y tambie quiero preguntarle cuantas personas cubren cada paralante de estos RCF HDL20A
en nuestra opinión, podrías hacer 1000 personas con 4 de ellos por lado y subwoofers. suelo apilado para que las partes superiores estén sobre cabezas de multitudes. volar si es posible es mejor. necesita al menos 4 por lado para obtener el acoplamiento y la cobertura adecuados, ya que la cobertura vertical para cada uno es muy estrecha. a través de google translate
Manufacturer's very good product which produces all its loudspeakers (made in Italy not china) as JBL. This series HDL tickles legendary reference JBL VRX. Too often the professionals do not inquire about the origin of manufacturing and as regards to the cabinets the origin of loudspeakers, 80 % of the marks being only assemblers having never made a single loudspeaker.
Some RCF is made in China. You are incorrect, that the VRX is constant curve JUNK system, the HDL20A is a true scalable line array. It does really not make any difference where the drivers come from, as long as the design and DSP and box is tuned to the speakers and the mfr. warranty stands behind. Does not matter if US , China or Italian made. There are some very good speaker components coming from China. Many of the music store systems by some of these companies come from China and sound fantastic.
power and size and type of drivers. more SPL from HDL20 than HDL10...10's are going to need more in the line to produce what the HDL20's can do. If you can afford the HDL20 and handle the weight they are going to give you more bang for your buck for output and expansion. if you are in the US we can offer pricing packages on either...we like the size of the HF driver and crossover point much better in the HDL20s
The subwoofer does have a cross over on it that you can set to feed to your HDL20's to keep the low end out of them, they do have built in limiting too. So if you are seeing the red lights come on all the time for your events, you don't have enough rig for your event and need to add more tops and subs. You can place a PA2 in-between your mixer and speakers and set a hard limiter so the limit lights don't go on for the HDL speakers but that will give you a maximum volume and that will be it...and will save your system if you are hitting the limit lights all the time.
These have a much fuller sound and the drivers are much larger on the HDL20A for the HF. The amp is a true RMS rated amp, but that said, the KLA are a max of 5 boxes, these you can go to 16 per side in a hang and have full array adjustably, which you can't do with KLA or similar VRX, etc. These are more in the ballpark of the Wideline boxes and not KLA
+richart lopez I do not think they sell the enclosure separate. you would have to look at pulling apart and fixing with epoxy type joiner or fiber glass. trying to get those types of parts would certainly take a very long time if even possible. usually just buy another and use the broken unit for spare parts is the best recommendation i can make.
+Jesús Romero The T12 is a much better system, being 3 way than the 2 way RCF box. It is much more musical sounding, but also more $$$$. You can't really compare them as they are not the same configuration or power.
William - is it not really a "throw" issue it is an SPL issue, all those boxes are highly directional in the vertical , the SPL and coupling of the boxes is what gives it the ability to push out to longer distances the 20-10-6 are a bit less than ½ max SPL of the preceding larger box. the more 20's you have the higher the SPL but it depends on how you set the angle of the boxes that determines coupling and how the drivers are aligned..flat face will give you the most SPL in a stack or line.
Ambos son excelentes oradores, pero tendría que tomar el RCF HDL20 debido a la gran frecuencia alta. el controlador y el punto de cruce más bajo del sistema versa sobre el FBT Muse. El HDL20 es más suave para mis oídos a través de traductor de Google
@MarkO Polo9 hours ago is the amplifier, really a db electronics product?,, just asking,, I wanted rcf , settled for DB.. All good I think. thks for your advice The amps are RCF digital in the boxes...and not dB...they are as solid as dB amps and are similar to what they use in the ART series boxes.
Yes, but you don't have to press any.... the buttons tailer the reponse of the HF and LF drivers to couple better in configurations so you get a better overall sound output without being too harsh or low end loaded. However everyone has their own liking..i would play with the speakers at various settings and see if the recommendations work for you. It may be you like the tuning of a higher box count system for your 3 boxes per side. Work with the settings and see what sounds most natural to you...
EVOX 12, ya que HDL20A es una matriz lineal y solo 1 no funcionará del todo bien y necesitarás un subwoofer para que funcione, mira el EVOX 12 y también el db Technologies ES1203 ambos son sistemas muy buenos
It depends. Both are excellent boxes and systems and priced almost the same. Both weigh about the same. Construction on them is quite different, FBT is wood and RCF is composite. Both have similar 10" drivers, but the RCF has a mother of all HF drivers and lower crossover point than the FBT boxes, meaning that more of the high mids, etc. are produced by the FBT boxes vs. the RCF. What are your events like you are needed the line array for? What type of music do you typically do?
What mixer are you using. ? The HDL20 has built in processing, what subs, do they have a crossover output on them. We would typically use a HPF around 90hz to feed HDL20A tops.
it depends on the mixer , if we were using an X32 no, we would set that up in the board or use a subwoofer with a xover output that can be set at 90 or 120 like the 8003, 8004 or 8006 from RCF
These are dual 10" drivers and a very large HF compression driver...the 10" drivers couple very well and produce great low end in this box for transition to subwoofer..HF section is amazing with lower crossover point due to larger HF diaphragm
JBL limited to array size, sounds thin, overpriced for what you get. Either RCF box is superior, HDL30 blows it away, but is more $$$$ too, RCF has lower crossover point for smoother frequency transition from LF to HF, RCF is true RMS power stated for amps.
yes you can use either speakers with 9006 no issues. you just dont want to use HDL20 below HDL50, use as side fills for HDL20 if using HDL50 as the HDL50 is a 3 way box vs. 2 way from HDL20 and sonically they don't line up the same
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I do not have the guts to buy plastic lines here in Brazil many tests of frequency and was not well, and driver with guide of waves of prasticos does not work !! .. the prices here in Brazil it costs 45,445,35 thousand dollars each box, Who dares to pay $ 45,445.35 for a plastic box?
Well, thousands and thousands of the HDL20A has been sold world wide and a very large user group. They are loved for their size and output and not much out there for the output, features and price point even come close to the performance of these boxes.
But these are line arrays, they are not meant to deploy with just one per side like an HD32, or even 2, you need 6-8 per side to start forming a decent line with control
trinityprosound I have 8 cerwin Vegas loaded with 18sound 18lw1400. How many hdl20s would you recommend I should purchase to sound balanced? Or would you recommend something like the tt25? The set up will be ground stack and primarily used outdoors. Thanks
They come out of the amp in parallel connections but are "seriesed" together at the speaker with a crimp connector if that makes sense...it is two sets of wires
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Nice architectural design of RCF with good sound output. 2 thumbs up!.
Great video, in depth and informative. Thank you.
Sir, thank you very much for the upload it is very informative.. you rock!!!
great line array speakers John , hope to some day buy 8 or 10 of those :) talk to you soon
Good sound quality...thx
Line arrays are at a price premium, not really any reason except for demand. Considering the tech work required to get them working, you would think they would cost less. In time sanity should prevail. Companies who design in tech to take the work out will prosper
who was the production company in Kentucky?
Hey John what would say the hdl 20 A's compare with: the db T4 or T12? Vocal clarity.
Looks great but ceramic magnets?
It is a stock jingle that is part of Apple Final Cut X
is the amplifier, really a db electronics product?,, just asking,, I wanted rcf , settled for DB.. All good I think. thks for your advice
De las personas que realizan videos es usted la unica persona que responde con claridad y de manera rapido, por ello muchas gracias
una consulta en cuanto a la linea rcf das fbt y jbl usted con cual se queda y tambie quiero preguntarle cuantas personas cubren cada paralante de estos RCF HDL20A
en nuestra opinión, podrías hacer 1000 personas con 4 de ellos por lado y subwoofers. suelo apilado para que las partes superiores estén sobre cabezas de multitudes. volar si es posible es mejor. necesita al menos 4 por lado para obtener el acoplamiento y la cobertura adecuados, ya que la cobertura vertical para cada uno es muy estrecha. a través de google translate
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Manufacturer's very good product which produces all its loudspeakers (made in Italy not china) as JBL. This series HDL tickles legendary reference JBL VRX. Too often the professionals do not inquire about the origin of manufacturing and as regards to the cabinets the origin of loudspeakers, 80 % of the marks being only assemblers having never made a single loudspeaker.
Some RCF is made in China. You are incorrect, that the VRX is constant curve JUNK system, the HDL20A is a true scalable line array. It does really not make any difference where the drivers come from, as long as the design and DSP and box is tuned to the speakers and the mfr. warranty stands behind. Does not matter if US , China or Italian made. There are some very good speaker components coming from China. Many of the music store systems by some of these companies come from China and sound fantastic.
Yes with this system, ceramic win....
Is the cabinet ported so that the drivers can move without fighting each other?
Chris, yes they are on each end
What difference between the hdl10a and hdl20a beaide speaker size? I cannot decide if the hdl10a would be good enough for live bands any advice?
power and size and type of drivers. more SPL from HDL20 than HDL10...10's are going to need more in the line to produce what the HDL20's can do. If you can afford the HDL20 and handle the weight they are going to give you more bang for your buck for output and expansion. if you are in the US we can offer pricing packages on either...we like the size of the HF driver and crossover point much better in the HDL20s
Excuse me sir, I bought 2 HDL20a and 2 HDL18as. I I’m a Mobile Dj. Do You think that I need to use a Driver-rack PA2?
Thank you for you time.
The subwoofer does have a cross over on it that you can set to feed to your HDL20's to keep the low end out of them, they do have built in limiting too. So if you are seeing the red lights come on all the time for your events, you don't have enough rig for your event and need to add more tops and subs. You can place a PA2 in-between your mixer and speakers and set a hard limiter so the limit lights don't go on for the HDL speakers but that will give you a maximum volume and that will be it...and will save your system if you are hitting the limit lights all the time.
trinityprosound okay
thank you so much for taking the time to answer.
How would u compare these to the QSC KLA series?? Thanks in advance.
These have a much fuller sound and the drivers are much larger on the HDL20A for the HF. The amp is a true RMS rated amp, but that said, the KLA are a max of 5 boxes, these you can go to 16 per side in a hang and have full array adjustably, which you can't do with KLA or similar VRX, etc. These are more in the ballpark of the Wideline boxes and not KLA
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Hi. I have a problem I dropped my speakers hdl 20a and broke the body, the body you sell? or as you do to fix it?
+richart lopez I do not think they sell the enclosure separate. you would have to look at pulling apart and fixing with epoxy type joiner or fiber glass. trying to get those types of parts would certainly take a very long time if even possible. usually just buy another and use the broken unit for spare parts is the best recommendation i can make.
Db technologies T12 VS RCF HDL20A... Thank you..
+Jesús Romero The T12 is a much better system, being 3 way than the 2 way RCF box. It is much more musical sounding, but also more $$$$. You can't really compare them as they are not the same configuration or power.
what about the throw it is different HDL 20 HDL 10 HDL 6 is it not plz explain is there a longer throw from one box to the other?
William - is it not really a "throw" issue it is an SPL issue, all those boxes are highly directional in the vertical , the SPL and coupling of the boxes is what gives it the ability to push out to longer distances the 20-10-6 are a bit less than ½ max SPL of the preceding larger box. the more 20's you have the higher the SPL but it depends on how you set the angle of the boxes that determines coupling and how the drivers are aligned..flat face will give you the most SPL in a stack or line.
hola! a usted le gusta mas HDL20 o FBT muse?? por que??? muchas gracias.
Ambos son excelentes oradores, pero tendría que tomar el RCF HDL20 debido a la gran frecuencia alta. el controlador y el punto de cruce más bajo del sistema versa sobre el FBT Muse. El HDL20 es más suave para mis oídos a través de traductor de Google
@MarkO Polo9 hours ago is the amplifier, really a db electronics product?,, just asking,, I wanted rcf , settled for DB.. All good I think. thks for your advice
The amps are RCF digital in the boxes...and not dB...they are as solid as dB amps and are similar to what they use in the ART series boxes.
Okay. That makes sense because there's multiple drivers in the box so they don't fight each other.
Hello I have 3 boxes rcf hdl20a for each side which button should I press the one it said 2 to 3 baxes
Yes, but you don't have to press any.... the buttons tailer the reponse of the HF and LF drivers to couple better in configurations so you get a better overall sound output without being too harsh or low end loaded. However everyone has their own liking..i would play with the speakers at various settings and see if the recommendations work for you. It may be you like the tuning of a higher box count system for your 3 boxes per side. Work with the settings and see what sounds most natural to you...
thanks
Hola me gustaría saber que sería mejor si una Hdl20 por lado , o un sistema evox 12 por lado.. gracias
EVOX 12, ya que HDL20A es una matriz lineal y solo 1 no funcionará del todo bien y necesitarás un subwoofer para que funcione, mira el EVOX 12 y también el db Technologies ES1203 ambos son sistemas muy buenos
trinityprosound gracias Trinityprosoun
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Which one is best heard, rcf hdl20 or rcf art 745a?
They are different speakers and abilities both sound very good but totally different applications.
hi there, i want to order the amplifier and speaker of RCL HDL20A what will i do give me a instruction so that i can order thanks you sir
They will not sell amplifiers for the HDL20 outright as they don't want any competition.
Did he break the waveguide???
No, it is modular and is dissembled quite easily
What is the music at the introduction?
Which is better ?? rcf hdl 20a or fbt muse ?? pls help
It depends. Both are excellent boxes and systems and priced almost the same. Both weigh about the same. Construction on them is quite different, FBT is wood and RCF is composite. Both have similar 10" drivers, but the RCF has a mother of all HF drivers and lower crossover point than the FBT boxes, meaning that more of the high mids, etc. are produced by the FBT boxes vs. the RCF. What are your events like you are needed the line array for? What type of music do you typically do?
Hello, any one knows where can I get the entire amplifier module for the HDL 20-A? Thanks a lot
Where are you located ?
Hello you should do a review of de line array seismic audio l like to know how good it's the american brand.
They are not good, they are cheap, low end, marginal speakers
trinityprosound thank you for answering.
Can ypu guys do fix them i have 4 of them but one sounds louder
Have to send in to RCF in NJ for repair. Call them and talk to service 732-902-6100
Which size and how may watts in liner speaker
www.rcf.it/professional-speaker-systems/d-line/hdl-20-a
Hi I have 6 speakers Rcf hdl 20 tree each side. I need to know if it is,nesesary use a prosessor DBX Pa2 thank you
What mixer are you using. ? The HDL20 has built in processing, what subs, do they have a crossover output on them. We would typically use a HPF around 90hz to feed HDL20A tops.
so would you use a drive rack processing or not? thanks.
it depends on the mixer , if we were using an X32 no, we would set that up in the board or use a subwoofer with a xover output that can be set at 90 or 120 like the 8003, 8004 or 8006 from RCF
thanks
Does it have vent?
yes they are vented, they do down each side of the enclosure
I'd love to know what the music was at the beginning
+lanswipe It is from Final Cut X and one of the embedded files it is called Road Trip
8inch speaker or 12inch?
These are dual 10" drivers and a very large HF compression driver...the 10" drivers couple very well and produce great low end in this box for transition to subwoofer..HF section is amazing with lower crossover point due to larger HF diaphragm
8 top's how much cost rcf hdl 20a line arrey boxes
go to our website to email us directly
Apik model rcf ngnu kuwi. Nk di wei yo gelem
Is this box ported?
Yes on each end
Thank you
Ports are at the rear of the enclosure?
no front sides hidden
Harganya berapa 1 line aray
wish i had your job
Hi!
Jbl vrx932lap vs rcf hdl 20/30-a
JBL limited to array size, sounds thin, overpriced for what you get. Either RCF box is superior, HDL30 blows it away, but is more $$$$ too, RCF has lower crossover point for smoother frequency transition from LF to HF, RCF is true RMS power stated for amps.
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Thanks
may i pair it in RCF 9006 SUB-AS?
yes those will work very well with the HDL20A speakers...good choice
trinityprosound so from HDL 20 A TO 50A Will work on RCF SUB 9006-AS?
yes sure will no issues there at all...
yes you can use either speakers with 9006 no issues. you just dont want to use HDL20 below HDL50, use as side fills for HDL20 if using HDL50 as the HDL50 is a 3 way box vs. 2 way from HDL20 and sonically they don't line up the same
In india where to buy rcf products
Audioplus
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Precision Transducers
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3406, D.B. Gupta Road, Karol Bagh, New Delhi - 110005
Tel +91-11- 43174317
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Website: www.hitechaudiosystems.com
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the box costs friend
in indonesia where to buy rcf
Mangga Dua Square- 14430 Jakarta
Tel +62 21 6231 2828-
Fax +62 21 6231 2830
Sunter Agung Perkasa,9 - 14350 Jakarta
Tel +62 21 65833535
Fax +62 21 6512388
the price of the product
you will have to email us for pricing
email us at websales@trinityprosound.com
RCF HDL20A vs DAS EVENT210A ?
HDL20 is better all the way around, better yet HDL30...we don't like the tonality of the DAS boxes
trinityprosound thanks a lot :)
RCF
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hummm, it looks like DAS Serpis waveguide.
pls cont me i want to punches RCF LINEAARY HDL 20
tried calling number, says not in service...what can we help with on the RCF HDL20... they are amazing line array boxes
I do not have the guts to buy plastic lines here in Brazil many tests of frequency and was not well, and driver with guide of waves of prasticos does not work !! .. the prices here in Brazil it costs 45,445,35 thousand dollars each box, Who dares to pay $ 45,445.35 for a plastic box?
Well, thousands and thousands of the HDL20A has been sold world wide and a very large user group. They are loved for their size and output and not much out there for the output, features and price point even come close to the performance of these boxes.
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I’ll settle for the HD32a at lower price
But these are line arrays, they are not meant to deploy with just one per side like an HD32, or even 2, you need 6-8 per side to start forming a decent line with control
trinityprosound I have 8 cerwin Vegas loaded with 18sound 18lw1400. How many hdl20s would you recommend I should purchase to sound balanced? Or would you recommend something like the tt25? The set up will be ground stack and primarily used outdoors. Thanks
nice video, is it my ear or something else? listen 9:45, lol
They come out of the amp in parallel connections but are "seriesed" together at the speaker with a crimp connector if that makes sense...it is two sets of wires
i'm the kinder guy who would scrap this and put the rcf's in my car lol