Do NOT learn the Russian cases (until you do this)
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2023
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Cases are frustrating. Probably the most difficult part of Russian grammar. But with a good approach they're not that difficult. In this video I explain:
- why learning Russian cases is useless in the beginning
- what you should know before you start with the cases
- my methodical approach to learning the Russian cases quickly
Be patient with Russian language. A slow start will give you more control and confidence. Expand your vocabulary consistantly. Maybe 5 words a day, you can learn more than that if you have better memory and can retain them well. Its easy to remember new words if you start using them in sentences right away. For example go to your kitchen and start saying in Russian, "I am boiling an egg, or potatoes " Or , " I take a shower before I get ready for work" etc. Everyday Russian words for everyday life. Then you can make small sentences for a conversation. Just baby steps.
Agree! Impatience for results will ruin motivation.
Personally, I started with the cases and general grammar because I like to master the skeleton before working on the frame, if that makes sense. And also I enjoy grammar in general, I think it's part of the beauty of languages. But that's just me; I didn't exactly need to know russian within any specific timeframe, nor was I intending to speak anytime soon. I agree that it won't be the best path for everyone, great vid as usual.
I think it's key to know your own personal learning preferences. And it seems like you know yours very well!
Спасибо, Ари, что учишь русский язык! Спасибо, что помогаешь выучить его другим ))) Я люблю свой родной русский язык, я люблю лингвистику вообще. Сложен каждый язык, и эта сложность завораживает меня. Это какая-то невероятная непостигаемая вселенная, изобретенная людьми
Да, чем старше я становлюсь, тем большее удивляюсь тому что есть столько языков в мире, и что каждый язык позволяет людям выражать одни и те чувства)
@@LearntheRussianLanguage Наверное, это тебя удивит, но я посмотрела это видео, чтобы потренироваться в... английском. К сожалению, сейчас нет возможности путешествовать по Европе, и увы... английский стал забываться. Это свойство любого языка, им нужно пользоваться постоянно. Давно не видела ваших видео и рада была увидеть снова. Люблю ваши видео на русском языке. Вы так правильно говорите, но есть какие-то мелочи, которые то удивляют, то смешат меня, как носителя языка. Не оставляйте этого, люди должны дружить и делать этот мир лучше, несмотря ни на что ))
Очень хорошие видео,!
I love your content, thanks for the work.
Спасибо!
Hi Ari!
I know which Russian case to use 70% of the time, but don’t know the correct ending a lot of the time 😅. I still get confused with adjectives…
But with nouns, it’s easier. To know which case to use, I just ask myself:
что/кто? чего/кого? чему/кому? что/кого? (с)чем/(с)кем, (о)чём/(о)кём? But most of the time, I just go based off of what sounds natural - if I think too much, my interlocutor will get impatient. So I gotta keep it moving (and I’m told that native speakers rarely, if ever, mess up the cases and at the same time aren’t aware of the cases themselves, so I imitate and let them correct me.) Anyway, rant over! Let me know your thoughts.
~Random Guy
You're on the right path, if you're just going based off of what sounds natural. Now it's just a matter of learning and practicing the endings. I'd search for "russian case exercises" to practice the endings with specific exercises!
Awesome, Spasiba Bal’shoye!
Thank you for these excellent videos!
And thank you for watching!
Actually i was stuck for weeks on the cases and i was like “ughhh guess I’m never learning russian” but thanks to you now i know what to do instead,
Yeah, cases are important, but they require time. So make sure to give yourself time :)
@LearntheRussianLanguage it's a hard idea for someone who wants quick results, but seriously I had no idea when to start
Personally, i've taken the Bald and Bankrupts and Kaufman's apporach and just not WORRY about the grammar, I always think of your 'два хлеб' example. It doesnt matter whether your grammar is perfect or not people can understand! I can read and listen, and speaking, by osmosis, comes naturally, of course with mistakes but as you get more familar with the lanugage you are able to correct yourself!
Thanks for the video, Merry Christmas Ari!
That's a solid approach in the beginning to get started having conversations! Though I do recommend to add in later once you're comfortable speaking, because it will make your speech sound much more eloquent.
Ari speaks Russian well and knows what he's talking about, Bald does not. Please don't use Bald as a model for learning Russian. His Russian is abysmal. It may impress non-speakers of Russian, but certainly not me. His video that you "don't need grammar" may be music to the ears of the lazy or dim, but it's highly misleading. If you just want to merely speak ungrammatical phrases like Bald and be generally understood, well okay. But if you want to speak Russian fluently one day, grammar is absolutely essential. Btw, you think that English grammar is easy for us Russians, with your 16 tenses and other horrors? I'm an interpreter and translator, and I fully support Ari's approach: learn many nouns first, then concentrate on the grammar. Don't get hung up about it, but you must learn the grammar. It's hard work and takes a lot of time and self-discipline, which is why so few foreigners speak Russian well Good luck. Take care.
Okay, I will continue to build vocabulary. Thank you. I needed someone to tell me. I want to learn so badly
Yes, it's never a bad thing to learn more vocabulary!
That's some great advice.
Thanks!
Дело в том, что язык является навыком, Если иностранец начинает говорить без падежей, он привыкает к такому способу говорить. Я знаю иностранцев, которые говорят бегло по-русси, но совсем не владеют употреблением падежами. В лучшем случае, такой человек успевает давать понимать, что имеет в виду, особенно на простые темы. Но, если старается выражать свою точку зрения по поводу сложного вопроса, это просто невозможно. В конце концов, изучение иностранного языка является долгим и сложным процессом для взрослого человека.
Согласен с вами. Падежи нужно знать чтоб точно выражаться. Но если кто-то слишком рано начинает их учить, это часто ведет к тому, что он дает им слишком много внимания, что препятствует развитию беглой речи. Так что есть оптимальный момент для изучения падежей. Не слишком рано но и не слишком поздно.
Ари, отлично видео! Я согласен 100%. Спасибо за советую как я могу учить падежи!!
Спасибо большое за комментарий!
Great video Ari! When I started learning Russian with the cases I am just like, my mind will eventually, pick up them up overtime. The same with words that look the same and sound different like Spanish "green" verde but in Brazilian Portuguese if the de are together it is more of the zhe sound. Same thing with words in different languages that are the same like, Finnish "car" auto. same in German auto. But the word oma in Finnish is like to 'own something' but Oma in German means like "grandmother/grandma/" Also, I think German uses the case system as well. Also, I think, it helps to learn a similar language to reinforce some of the vocabulary. I learn Ukrainian as well. But I wouldn't advise learning a similar language unless you get some familiarity first or have experience with a previous language. But in my opinion, the brain will make the connections and distinctions over time.
Yes, great approach to not put much emphasis on them in the beginning. And once someone is ready, it makes sense to dive deeper into learning them. Having experience with a language that uses cases is helpful, because you already understand the idea that words can change their ending depending on their function.
Your videos are amazing. I really appreciate your Dutch perspective in the context of global affairs today. Do you think I could travel to Russia and learn after I make some progress? I am Irish and wonder how things could pan out for me. I find Russian culture absolutely fascinating!
Thanks for your comment. I'd check first what your government/insurance is saying about traveling to Russia. It's difficult to give you a yes/no answer as it depends on your personality, travel experience, Russian skills, and exact plans. When I was in Moscow last June I experienced 0 issues. Also saw quite some other groups of Western Europeans around (not as much as before).
1:26 definitely they are not the same
Ари, доброе утро)) а на каком языке ты говоришь со своей девушкой?😊
Мы говорим на странной смеси английского, русского и голландского)
@@LearntheRussianLanguage понятно) интересно бы послушать😅 Полиглоты❤️ Хорошего тебе дня!
А можно ещё один вопрос, мы с семьёй в феврале едем на 3 дня, в Голландию, в Роттердам, и пока не знаем что стоит посетить в это холодное время?... Может посоветуешь что-то хорошее? Спасибо заранее!🌟
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Кошка!
Cases arent as terrifying as a partitional one: Genitive Plural (feminitive especially), without a doubt the most wretched and messy one not only in Russian, but in Slavic languages in general.
Agree, the genitive plural is one of the most frustrating ones!
Has anyone noticed the cat 😂?
I did!
russian is incredibly difficult I don't understand why this language is that difficult Chances are russians didn t want anyone to learn their language there s no other explanation 🥺
Haha, that's one explanation.
Learning new words at least in the beginning, without the appropriate endings in the accusative case which is learned in the 5th lesson at the most, is pretty useless and no serious teacher does it. Cases or learning languages in general, are not suppose to be entertaining and the difficult aspects of each language demotivating. The process is hard and any attempt to walk around difficulties, will end you up speaking Russian like a moron.
Yes, it makes sense to learn the appropriate endings. Learning Russian is hard, that's why I prefer to structure the process in such a way that makes the progression as logical and gradual as possible, without overwhelming students.
russian is very difficult learning russian is like an impossible mission to complete
@@banana53358 Not with a god teacher (a Russian one is preferable) and if you study methodically. Plus, you have to love the language in order to better understand the difficulties and the peculiarities.
The cases didn't bother me as much as the random stress changes within words
Yes, those are frustrating too. Adding stress marks to texts you're reading + immersion works well.
@@LearntheRussianLanguage I gotchu. I noticed that sometimes there are patterns, like feminine nouns ending in the stressed а/Я, as well as one syllable masculine nouns.