Bruh, ruanmei is BIS on apoc, if you ignore break then that's ruanmeis entire niche. Sunday is jsut better than robin on all hyper carry teams now too.
If you wanna go that route, you could say that Robin's teamwide AV manipulation is just as viable in a mode that calculates AV by the unit@@AlwaysThirstys
18:30 Actually, the Aventurine boss is a special one: despite not having Fire Weakness, he still has 0% Fire Res, making him the only Boss in the game to not Resist an Element that he is not weak to (Firefly shilling at its finest).
@@fleks4187pretty sure when they were originally designing him back in 2.1 they were planning to switch his weakness. I believe most of the leakers was in agreement that he wouldn’t have Ice weakness, and it would instead be Fire. But somewhere along the line they scrapped that, but just didn’t change his element res to Fire, so he’s now the only boss to technically have a hidden weakness.
@@fleks4187 i think its bc in the story (SPOILERS) adventurine fights mc,himeko,welt, and march 7th (acheron at the end) notice something? 2 of them are the FIRE ELEMENT 💀, and the fact that normally enemies only 3 weaknesses unless apoc shadow made them give up fire weakness but still giving him 0% fire res
i was so confused as to why people here saying that Ruan mei is better even outside of break, but looks like 0 cycling has rotted me so much i forgot that majority of players are casuals. RM is indeed the most comfortable and casual friendly i suppose.
@GreyAn1015 For those crazy people who do 0 cycle or something similar. Then yeah robin is gonna be they're favorite but Ruan mei is just so comfortable to use.
Actually its not 0 cycling, I don't do that but imo Robin provides way more strong buffs outside the break so if you have all harmony characters you don't actually need RM (unless you play sb) like you don't need sparkle. Robin is the queen
@sunnyhelloguy Wdym you don't need Ruan mei?... listen here. You put robin is one side then you put Ruan mei on the other side. That's how it works no?
For me, 1.Robin for any team is good. 2.Ruan Mei, best specifically for BreakTeam. 3.Sparkle, if the team is SP unfriendly, then she the goat. I say this while I only have Sparkle.
he did it on the stream, tested both and sparkle on acheron e6s5 and feixiao e2s1 team the result is : acheron : sparkle > ruan mei > robin feixiao : robin > ruan mei > sparkle
Premium FuA (Robin by a Narrow Margin), Acheron Hyper(Ruan Mei Narrow-Moderate Margin), Superbreak(Ruan Mei Wide Margin), HyperCarry(Tie RM is easier on SP and Sustain), DoT (Tie) From My Testing.
Robin isnt better For Acheron? Wild For me the only thing is FUA team.... RM can work pretty good with fua units but Robin can't with break Char aside from that both are almost the same
DoT with Jiaoqiu, RM, Black Swan (all E1S1) and E0S1 Kafka: 1 cycle Svarog DoT with E1S1 Jiaoqiu and Black Swan, E2S1 Bubin and E0S1 Kafka: everyone dies on wave 2 every time because there's no break efficiency or delay, so Svarog and the Wolf eviscerate the team for a dozen retries in a row (I gave up 🥲) Take this as you will 😌
That said I've seen Robin, Tingyun, BS and Kafka 0 cycle, but when I tried it I had the same constant death issue despite chaining Bubin ult. Skill issue maybe but they had much better builds in terms of ATK stats and dmg% orbs. Might keep trying.
Honestly I have both and I'll say it's situational. Ruan Mei for breaks for just basically really nice teamwide buff. Robin for FuA and maybe other teams idk because I don't use her outside FuA because I don't want to waste the buffs.
rm for flexibility and robin for insane damage but if i have to choose an account, i'd choose rm. rm has more consistent and wider buff (damage, res pen, and speed). but i'd choose rm because she's more sp efficient and it's easier to progress in story + farm with sp efficient teams. auto-battling with advancing support is just so obnoxious. i'd pick robin any day if her lc just provided sp.
i'm the opposite. Since i have both and tested both, the insane utility of robin E1 straight up crushed my ruan mei E1S1. You take on auto battle is correct, AI straight up ult robin regardless of AV, so utilizing robin advance with auto is non-existence, and they even ult on wave 6, so next match robin energy at 0. However i prefer robin, in end game and permanent content like swarm, DU, GNG, ruan mei doesn't have any infinite scale stats, she just buff those flat stats, so in end game robin straight up nuke hundreds if not millions additional dmg and her full team advance is way too valuable. And in end game, other than AS, for MOC, PF she is insane, her additional dmg combined with E1 24% all type pen is just built in ruan mei, dealing a ton of personal dmg while allowing your dps to nuke unreal dmg. And in manually play, i fully make use of her ult advance, allowing for some real clutch 1-2 cycles and saved a lot of time for the other side to waste
Now this is the right take, ppl glaze robin yes (me included) but thats also considering you know how she works. If you don't, she seems more in line with RM but that doesn't mean RM in non-break is close to her power level
@@Wawawawawa750 they both have pros and cons and it's best to use both rather than glazing one over another robin: -FuA comp main niche -permanent content (she have infinite scaling on atk% and additional dmg. When combined with the crazy buff of blessings and curios then entire team becone dps) -MOC and PF (kinda obvious, full team advance saves a lot of cycle if utilized well) ruan mei -Break main comp -AS (in a game mode where break = infinite vulnerability on boss and dmg reduction shred, it's obvious) -permanent content (not for her buff, they are flat buff with ceiling, but for her technique that can scale infinite based on amount of blessing, this can be useful against elite enemies and bosses allowing you to consume half their hp or skip an entire phase of the boss with high enough blessings. Also ruan mei event let's not forget) edit: oh and robin suck in autoplay, ult robin on wave 6 so next match 0 energy, ult robin when the whole team AV at 3 lmao
i mean robin does provide bigger buffs so shes better in isolation but ruan mei is must if you ever want to try break team while robin is not "must" in any comp so far.
Got a question boys. Is the Wind set that increases your action forward per ult also good for Rappa? I don't have DDD yet I also don't have RM yet cuz I started during 2.5. I'm planning to get Fugue and Gallagher in December.
it's an ok option because her ult does not affect her turn on action gauge. When she ult, it gave her a seperate turn on top of her current turn on action gauge, so eagle would still advance that current turn up, but to be honest it's really bad to consider eagle because you're missing out on a large consistent chunk of damage buff from 4 pcs break, it gives massive def ignore % for break and extra % for superbreak which is insane considering the current inflation on base stats of bosses, which include bosses def. Back then bosses only have 660+ def, now they have 1100+ def so def shred is eating good nowadays
they both are insane ruan mei for break teams robin for fua teams and you can use her in hypercarrys and the upcoming character sunday is for summon teams and works in hypercarrys too ppl shouldnt compare characters that have different rolls like of course robin is better in fua because she is designed for it and ruan mei is better in break teams because she is designed to be a break support you can use her in other teams but break is her best
Robin Or Ruan Mei? Put Robin on one team, and Ruan Mei on the other. You can also use Sparkle for SP. Bronya too for her buffs. Maybe Yukong for her crit damage buffs. Don't forget about Tingyun who can recharge your energy.
why is pokke using seele's resurgence turns on the small bugs? She won't get more extra turns from that so why not just use resurgence turns on big bug for more damage, and kill small bugs with normal turns to proc more resurgence?
If you can keep robin ult (fua team or qpq user) then she is better but outside of that she and rm are on the same lvl with rm being more flexible bcs she is still good in all hsr archetypes anyway
I 100% prefer Ruan Mei... Since I don´t have FUA premium comp, I find myself almost never using Robin. She also feels way too bad on my account (I´m 100% prob doing something wrong). If I could refund Robin... I would.
If this was around 2.2, I would say Ruan Mei. However, Robin is found to be more flexible than her. Right now, it feels like the only area where RM shines is break teams
I'd say Robin is a bit less flexible since her energy needs are absurd and she gives only 1 buff with her skill while Ruan gives a bunch (dmg boost, break efficiency, personal break damage, speed boost).This is to show that she basically needs her ult to do anything for allies while Ruan doesn't have to worry about this. Robin ult is busted. Both are equal in power level IMO.
Robin most of the time will provide higher damage and she can't be hard cc'd in her Concerto ultimate which is great. However, she doesn't generate skill points much which may be an issue sometimes. Ruan Mei on the other hand works with any DpS no matter what they scale on - attack, break, hp, it doesn't matter. I also love her break efficiency and delay once targets get broken. It may not lead to faster clears, but sustainless runs start being more comfy Imo. I prefer Ruan Mei, but Robin is still really strong in her own right.
Nobody is immune to hard CC, not even Robin. You can test on this MOC 12-1 where Svarog can just grab Robin out of her Concerto, just like he ignores all other forms of Effect Res and debuff resistance.
i mean for 0cycle i will say robin is better aside from that RM is better mostly bc robin ult loose value youre not giving 3 turns to your dps outside cycle 0 until 4 i think
@@Bot-vc9do this is true RM ult talent and skill are still buffing massive W if you ask me.... RM has the perks that you dont need the perfect run like robin to clear fast (gall QPQ)
Pretty much both of them. They both shine at their own niches. Ruan Mei benefits more on break teams and Robin with follow-up teams. When it comes to other team archetypes, they both perform well.
I mean, i think robin has a slightly higher ceiling (scales with av advance, fast/out of turn actions and different battery options), but she also has a much higher floor in terms of team investment required...not just the feixiao comp. If ur using robin for hypercarry they better be strapped up and ready to wipe the board otherwise her ult isn't being filled unless if u ult her with tingyun...and at that point ur dps has to work double time for that clear. Ruan mei, u just slap er with a gallachad, any break dps of ur choice and hmc...no sigs required...and u just pop off. Ruan mei is also better for off element dps simply cause res pen is super rare and and very few DPS units actually have it, i think seele acheron and o.g dan are the only ones afaik...not that many. Now, to be fair, u can also use gallachad eith QPQ on a robin comp and he'll perform just as good as a robin battery as aventurine would, and u can even use M8th with feixiao and u got urself a pretty solid f2p fua comp. But, looking at both comps and especially without sigs, ruan mei is just waaay less demanding to get full value out of her and her best type of comp and will yield a better results. Overall, i think ruan mei and robin are both 1 to 1 cause both are stupidly overloaded as far as what they can do and their buffs. But, the nature of break is that it's more prone to getting cucked by hoyo than follow-up...the break comp is stronger and that's not debatable as long as they can break but otherwise, direct frontloaded standard crt dmg will always be usable as long as numbers are fine and fua comps have no issue with numbers since literally EVERYONE ON THE TEAM IS A DPS. So ye, conditionally robin probably on top, unconditionally, both are equal in value since their bis respective comps are literally joint no.1 spot. Hoyo will shill break next patch probably tho...we'll see.
So many comments don't even know what they are talking about. Ruan mei being "more universal" doesn't matter when those universal teams are clearing in 10 cycles. Thats why the main selling point is her break eff which is extremely impactful in break teams. If you think Robin is weaker then you either didn't pull her or you are bad (ruan mei is easier to play)
Ruan Mei is the strongest Support until now... Because how she suitable for All Type of Team Comp... Robin is more suitable for Follow Up Team..... If you use her in another Team.. You can not utilize her Buff/trace For Follow Up Increase damage...
hypercarry and fua = robin / superbreak and dot = ruan mei, both is good but remembrance is definitely something not to miss out so dont skip sunday bois👹 Add note : do you kids not understand what " both is good " means?!
Robin is better in DoT. Ruan Mei delays the enemy so Arcana loses much DPS and cycles. On contrary, Robin advances the team, stacking more Arcana like Ruan Mei but doesn't make Arcana loses DPS. And Huohuo makes her ultimate be pretty consistent.
Robin isn't better in hypercarry, she's too heavy on skill points and with casual/f2p investment her energy requirements are way too high. Also Ruan Mei does delay the enemy but their turns still happen so it doesn't "hurt" the dps but it might even improve it
@Daverf1f You forgot that the sustain for Hypercarry is Huohuo. So the only problem is Skill points. But they make Sunday which is fully skill positive and is dependent of ATK buff like tingyun and Robin
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Sunday isn't skill point positive, he's neutral at E0S0 and is slightly negative at the start. Also having HuoHuo doesn't solve the energy issue entirely, you can only get one HuoHuo ult during a Robin ult and it gives like 32 energy, unless you're against fast enemies like Hoolay, it is not enough
@Daverf1f stills the same as a Follow-up team with Huohuo. 1 or 2 turn to use ultimate. I doesn't get the energy problem. Yeah, Sunday is pratically needed his S1. What a good game huh.
Ruan mei no dif ruan mei work on every robin comp while robin just cant keep up with ruan mei comps but i feel liké if u dont play break robin IS better
@@claudiowiseman8488Yeah, that's an example of how saying Robin is better in non-Break team isn't quite clear cut. Because if you don't do the proper speed tuning and make a workaround or rely on RNG to solve Robin's energy issues, her performance will become far worse than when she's in her ideal team. She's an example of a character that can perform the best in theory, but in practice you have to jump through a lot of hoops to actually somewhat pull it off Ruan Mei is the true plug and play universal support, as the buffs she provides pretty much has full uptime and benefits all archetypes with minimal maintenance required. She may have lower ceiling than Robin in her ideal team and scenario, but ease of use is certainly something a lot of people underestimate and Ruan Mei is the way comfier option.
Pokke forgot about true sting vulnerability mechanic, so take this with a grain of salt. To me, I cannot compare both because ruan mei is SU focused, while robin is more universal, so putting them to the test in MoC, AS and PF will just favor Robin. For the sake of fairness, try testing them both in SU.
"robin is universal" Yeah, except she's terrible in Break and you either need to use a QPQ user or rely on enemy RNG outside of FuA teams, but other than that, she's definitely universal.
![F2P CASUAL - HOW BAD CAN IT BE? [Sword of Convallaria]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/F_XZ7_K0Udw/mqdefault.jpg)
Honestly robin feels stronger than ruan mei in teams that don't need break. She is the queen in all 3 endgame modes
Bruh, ruanmei is BIS on apoc, if you ignore break then that's ruanmeis entire niche. Sunday is jsut better than robin on all hyper carry teams now too.
If you wanna go that route, you could say that Robin's teamwide AV manipulation is just as viable in a mode that calculates AV by the unit@@AlwaysThirstys
@@fuecocomaster5463 why does that matter if you can't break the toughness bar fast enough?!?!?
@@jilvermazariegosidk maybe Teamwide AA = more actions = faster breaking???
@@GreyAn1015you're not breaking faste just by ulting every 3 tunrs
Conclusion: “make ur own conclusion” lmfao 😂 41:48
making the entire video pointless as picking a side would hate him either way
18:30
Actually, the Aventurine boss is a special one: despite not having Fire Weakness, he still has 0% Fire Res, making him the only Boss in the game to not Resist an Element that he is not weak to (Firefly shilling at its finest).
wow TIL. why's that tho is there any lore correlation or just ff shilling? but aven by default is not the best match up for ff so hmm
Yoooo I was wondering why FF is able to clear aventurine but struggle on bug for me 😂
@@fleks4187pretty sure when they were originally designing him back in 2.1 they were planning to switch his weakness.
I believe most of the leakers was in agreement that he wouldn’t have Ice weakness, and it would instead be Fire.
But somewhere along the line they scrapped that, but just didn’t change his element res to Fire, so he’s now the only boss to technically have a hidden weakness.
@@fleks4187 i think its bc in the story (SPOILERS)
adventurine fights mc,himeko,welt, and march 7th (acheron at the end) notice something? 2 of them are the FIRE ELEMENT 💀, and the fact that normally enemies only 3 weaknesses unless apoc shadow made them give up fire weakness but still giving him 0% fire res
i was so confused as to why people here saying that Ruan mei is better even outside of break, but looks like 0 cycling has rotted me so much i forgot that majority of players are casuals. RM is indeed the most comfortable and casual friendly i suppose.
@GreyAn1015 For those crazy people who do 0 cycle or something similar. Then yeah robin is gonna be they're favorite but Ruan mei is just so comfortable to use.
Actually its not 0 cycling, I don't do that but imo Robin provides way more strong buffs outside the break so if you have all harmony characters you don't actually need RM (unless you play sb) like you don't need sparkle. Robin is the queen
@sunnyhelloguy Wdym you don't need Ruan mei?... listen here. You put robin is one side then you put Ruan mei on the other side. That's how it works no?
@@wallnut7624 that brain aint working lol (i mean the person you're talking not you)
@@sunnyhelloguy ehhh pretty Bad take when RM has better performance than Robin lol in most of the acc You can Even look in pry database For end game
the winner wasnt ruan mei or robin. it was ddd
For me,
1.Robin for any team is good.
2.Ruan Mei, best specifically for BreakTeam.
3.Sparkle, if the team is SP unfriendly, then she the goat.
I say this while I only have Sparkle.
Sunday incoming 😂😂😂
With e0s1 Sunday Sparkle is redundant outside of mono quantum😂😂😂😂
@@rust5427 That is true, unfortunately. Sunday just dug Bronya’s and Sparkle’s graves.
I thought the whole point was to use the same team and just change out Robin/RM...
he did it on the stream, tested both and sparkle on acheron e6s5 and feixiao e2s1 team
the result is :
acheron : sparkle > ruan mei > robin
feixiao : robin > ruan mei > sparkle
also this is e2 sparkle, e2 robin and e1 ruan mei
@@screamaskzxyers Not e2 Ruan mei?
@@claudiowiseman8488 if I remember it correctly chat said its e1 ruan mei
@@screamaskzxyers o well ty
I love how the beginning of this showcase ended up being a “monoquantum is not dead and sparkle/seele still has value” type thing LMAO.
Premium FuA (Robin by a Narrow Margin), Acheron Hyper(Ruan Mei Narrow-Moderate Margin), Superbreak(Ruan Mei Wide Margin), HyperCarry(Tie RM is easier on SP and Sustain), DoT (Tie) From My Testing.
I had the same experience
Conclusion : Ruan Mei better and more flexible
did you account for decimal cycle clears?
@@fuecocomaster5463 wut
Robin isnt better For Acheron? Wild For me the only thing is FUA team.... RM can work pretty good with fua units but Robin can't with break Char aside from that both are almost the same
DoT with Jiaoqiu, RM, Black Swan (all E1S1) and E0S1 Kafka: 1 cycle Svarog
DoT with E1S1 Jiaoqiu and Black Swan, E2S1 Bubin and E0S1 Kafka: everyone dies on wave 2 every time because there's no break efficiency or delay, so Svarog and the Wolf eviscerate the team for a dozen retries in a row (I gave up 🥲)
Take this as you will 😌
That said I've seen Robin, Tingyun, BS and Kafka 0 cycle, but when I tried it I had the same constant death issue despite chaining Bubin ult. Skill issue maybe but they had much better builds in terms of ATK stats and dmg% orbs. Might keep trying.
sparkle on top ez
Elation
Especially with the new relic, massive boost 🔥🔥🔥🔥
She’s overrated
I need Sun- Sparkle for next rerun
@@Ben-v6z3sI don't think you know what that word means.
Ruan Mei cus she hotter typ shi
Honestly I have both and I'll say it's situational. Ruan Mei for breaks for just basically really nice teamwide buff. Robin for FuA and maybe other teams idk because I don't use her outside FuA because I don't want to waste the buffs.
The FuA buff is so minor. Not using her in other teams is criminal. She is good in like every comp outside of break.
@ I find Ruan's Mei second toughness break in her super to be very useful.
rm for flexibility and robin for insane damage but if i have to choose an account, i'd choose rm. rm has more consistent and wider buff (damage, res pen, and speed). but i'd choose rm because she's more sp efficient and it's easier to progress in story + farm with sp efficient teams. auto-battling with advancing support is just so obnoxious. i'd pick robin any day if her lc just provided sp.
What if I give her Sunday's LC? Does that work?
i'm the opposite. Since i have both and tested both, the insane utility of robin E1 straight up crushed my ruan mei E1S1. You take on auto battle is correct, AI straight up ult robin regardless of AV, so utilizing robin advance with auto is non-existence, and they even ult on wave 6, so next match robin energy at 0. However i prefer robin, in end game and permanent content like swarm, DU, GNG, ruan mei doesn't have any infinite scale stats, she just buff those flat stats, so in end game robin straight up nuke hundreds if not millions additional dmg and her full team advance is way too valuable.
And in end game, other than AS, for MOC, PF she is insane, her additional dmg combined with E1 24% all type pen is just built in ruan mei, dealing a ton of personal dmg while allowing your dps to nuke unreal dmg. And in manually play, i fully make use of her ult advance, allowing for some real clutch 1-2 cycles and saved a lot of time for the other side to waste
Theres always the "use both" for 2 same or different teams" option.
"Both?"
"Both is good"
Before watching, BOTH.
theyre technically the same is just that RM is for breaking and Robin is for Attacking. comfort vs more damage
Wait what eidolon is that Seele cause if it's e0 then 😩
Robin has a much higher ceiling but RM is much more consistent as well as being easier to build and play.
Now this is the right take, ppl glaze robin yes (me included) but thats also considering you know how she works. If you don't, she seems more in line with RM but that doesn't mean RM in non-break is close to her power level
@@Wawawawawa750
they both have pros and cons and it's best to use both rather than glazing one over another
robin:
-FuA comp main niche
-permanent content (she have infinite scaling on atk% and additional dmg. When combined with the crazy buff of blessings and curios then entire team becone dps)
-MOC and PF (kinda obvious, full team advance saves a lot of cycle if utilized well)
ruan mei
-Break main comp
-AS (in a game mode where break = infinite vulnerability on boss and dmg reduction shred, it's obvious)
-permanent content (not for her buff, they are flat buff with ceiling, but for her technique that can scale infinite based on amount of blessing, this can be useful against elite enemies and bosses allowing you to consume half their hp or skip an entire phase of the boss with high enough blessings. Also ruan mei event let's not forget)
edit: oh and robin suck in autoplay, ult robin on wave 6 so next match 0 energy, ult robin when the whole team AV at 3 lmao
i mean robin does provide bigger buffs so shes better in isolation but ruan mei is must if you ever want to try break team while robin is not "must" in any comp so far.
Take care sounds satisfied
I missed robin on the last banner for kafka black swan, I really hope they rerun her.
hate to say it but I need an option to turn off robins singing
The only reason I skipped her, I’m sick of that song and I don’t even have her
1st half ngl sparkle was the best
All i saw in this video is how good sparkle really is and how underrated she is
7:56 you dont want to kill during resurgence state.
I have robin e1 so i basically have robin + ruan mei on my feixao team
Got a question boys. Is the Wind set that increases your action forward per ult also good for Rappa? I don't have DDD yet I also don't have RM yet cuz I started during 2.5. I'm planning to get Fugue and Gallagher in December.
it's an ok option because her ult does not affect her turn on action gauge. When she ult, it gave her a seperate turn on top of her current turn on action gauge, so eagle would still advance that current turn up, but to be honest it's really bad to consider eagle because you're missing out on a large consistent chunk of damage buff from 4 pcs break, it gives massive def ignore % for break and extra % for superbreak which is insane considering the current inflation on base stats of bosses, which include bosses def. Back then bosses only have 660+ def, now they have 1100+ def so def shred is eating good nowadays
i love when ruan mei clutches
i desperately need ruan mei after skipping BOTH of her banner
they both are insane ruan mei for break teams robin for fua teams and you can use her in hypercarrys and the upcoming character sunday is for summon teams and works in hypercarrys too ppl shouldnt compare characters that have different rolls like of course robin is better in fua because she is designed for it and ruan mei is better in break teams because she is designed to be a break support you can use her in other teams but break is her best
Can we get a Harmony MC or Fugue video?
Robin Or Ruan Mei? Put Robin on one team, and Ruan Mei on the other. You can also use Sparkle for SP. Bronya too for her buffs. Maybe Yukong for her crit damage buffs. Don't forget about Tingyun who can recharge your energy.
why is pokke using seele's resurgence turns on the small bugs? She won't get more extra turns from that so why not just use resurgence turns on big bug for more damage, and kill small bugs with normal turns to proc more resurgence?
This MOC could be the second and last time Argenti will shine, I'm hoping that you'll use him on 2nd half to show the the king
ruan mei doesnt have an annoying ult with music, is more attractive and yeah. with robin i need to mute bgm because it sucks
I was expecting a comparison with the same team but nothing new here
If you can keep robin ult (fua team or qpq user) then she is better but outside of that she and rm are on the same lvl with rm being more flexible bcs she is still good in all hsr archetypes anyway
This video was craaaazy......
Wait...
Crazy?
Crazy? I was a rat once. They put me in a rubber.
@@Wuuuuuush A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once.
@@GottaloveaxolotlsThey put me in a room
@@TotallyrealroddhowardThey put a rat in me
neither, save for tribbie duh
I 100% prefer Ruan Mei... Since I don´t have FUA premium comp, I find myself almost never using Robin. She also feels way too bad on my account (I´m 100% prob doing something wrong).
If I could refund Robin... I would.
As an E1S0 haver of both: nope, no way you're going to make me choose between them, both have 100% pick rate and win rate in my account 😂
Both Are Good. But, For spesific team, Ruan Mei
"Both", Both is is good
I never knew I needed Boothill's CN "WAHOO" until today
Bro can never get Self-Sufficer because he keeps dead-naming it; Autarky died in the dark past that QQ has left behind.
the only reason ruan mei still relevant right now is purely because of break meta, outside of that robin absolutely demolished her everywhere lol.
@@Gundumb781 "demolished" Aka being 1 cycles faster in premium fua. And tied everywhere else with RM taking pressure off your sustain.
robin is not that far ahead of ruan mei outside of fua where robin is only useful more than ruan mei
while robin is dogshit in break team ruan mei can work in fua team
Try robin with boothill, this will change your life
Jokes on you, I already have both of them😆
Trick question. You'll use Robin on one side and Ruan Mei on the other
Real
I say robin but with superbreak units obv rm pulls far ahead
Moc 12 is way harder to me because i don't have FF, rappa or lingsha
Himeko instead of FF works just fine. Notyhing too amazing, but it works quite good with Break team.
@Mizdigo i keep dying with himeko
Seele > QQ
But QQ > Seele for entertainment
Me who have both 🗿
Both, both is good
I was really hoping Sunday's LC banner would have DDD so I could work on my second 😵
Robin is the only lim harmony that i have. confess a miss RM sometimes
Both. But RM.
If this was around 2.2, I would say Ruan Mei. However, Robin is found to be more flexible than her. Right now, it feels like the only area where RM shines is break teams
How is she more flexible? RM out performs or equals her in every team outside FuA. and in FuA its only marginal.
I think both are pretty much the same in terms of flexibility, maybe robin is a bit better off element, since you're not using part of rm's kit.
I'd say Robin is a bit less flexible since her energy needs are absurd and she gives only 1 buff with her skill while Ruan gives a bunch (dmg boost, break efficiency, personal break damage, speed boost).This is to show that she basically needs her ult to do anything for allies while Ruan doesn't have to worry about this. Robin ult is busted.
Both are equal in power level IMO.
Robin has to be used with a QPQ user or rely on RNG to get her ult up outside of FuA teams. There's no world where she's more flexible than RM.
Rm is the most flexible tbh
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Sunday wouldn't have ran out of skill points.
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Robin most of the time will provide higher damage and she can't be hard cc'd in her Concerto ultimate which is great. However, she doesn't generate skill points much which may be an issue sometimes.
Ruan Mei on the other hand works with any DpS no matter what they scale on - attack, break, hp, it doesn't matter. I also love her break efficiency and delay once targets get broken. It may not lead to faster clears, but sustainless runs start being more comfy Imo.
I prefer Ruan Mei, but Robin is still really strong in her own right.
Nobody is immune to hard CC, not even Robin. You can test on this MOC 12-1 where Svarog can just grab Robin out of her Concerto, just like he ignores all other forms of Effect Res and debuff resistance.
Svarog hand can grab Robin, and yeah Robin ulti can be canceled with svarog hand
After getting traumatize once again by svarog KIDNAPPING my robin during her ult. Nahh she can still get hard CC
i mean for 0cycle i will say robin is better aside from that RM is better mostly bc robin ult loose value youre not giving 3 turns to your dps outside cycle 0 until 4 i think
@@Bot-vc9do this is true RM ult talent and skill are still buffing massive W if you ask me.... RM has the perks that you dont need the perfect run like robin to clear fast (gall QPQ)
After i got robin, I never use my rm again. Unless you play break team i think rm serve zero purpose other than robin substitute for most team
Pretty much both of them. They both shine at their own niches. Ruan Mei benefits more on break teams and Robin with follow-up teams. When it comes to other team archetypes, they both perform well.
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I love how pokke was tweaking out about Seele managing to do decent damage, and it's moc 11 😭
She is actually good in 2.7 with Sunday + Robin even at E0S0
I mean, i think robin has a slightly higher ceiling (scales with av advance, fast/out of turn actions and different battery options), but she also has a much higher floor in terms of team investment required...not just the feixiao comp. If ur using robin for hypercarry they better be strapped up and ready to wipe the board otherwise her ult isn't being filled unless if u ult her with tingyun...and at that point ur dps has to work double time for that clear. Ruan mei, u just slap er with a gallachad, any break dps of ur choice and hmc...no sigs required...and u just pop off. Ruan mei is also better for off element dps simply cause res pen is super rare and and very few DPS units actually have it, i think seele acheron and o.g dan are the only ones afaik...not that many.
Now, to be fair, u can also use gallachad eith QPQ on a robin comp and he'll perform just as good as a robin battery as aventurine would, and u can even use M8th with feixiao and u got urself a pretty solid f2p fua comp.
But, looking at both comps and especially without sigs, ruan mei is just waaay less demanding to get full value out of her and her best type of comp and will yield a better results.
Overall, i think ruan mei and robin are both 1 to 1 cause both are stupidly overloaded as far as what they can do and their buffs. But, the nature of break is that it's more prone to getting cucked by hoyo than follow-up...the break comp is stronger and that's not debatable as long as they can break but otherwise, direct frontloaded standard crt dmg will always be usable as long as numbers are fine and fua comps have no issue with numbers since literally EVERYONE ON THE TEAM IS A DPS.
So ye, conditionally robin probably on top, unconditionally, both are equal in value since their bis respective comps are literally joint no.1 spot.
Hoyo will shill break next patch probably tho...we'll see.
Please use Ruan Mei on the DoT team.. I think she might be able to 0 cycle unlike Robin
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So many comments don't even know what they are talking about. Ruan mei being "more universal" doesn't matter when those universal teams are clearing in 10 cycles. Thats why the main selling point is her break eff which is extremely impactful in break teams.
If you think Robin is weaker then you either didn't pull her or you are bad (ruan mei is easier to play)
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In my opinion definitely Robin for sheer damage buff increases, stacking further damage for Follow-Up Attacks and party wide instant action.
Ruan Mei is the strongest Support until now... Because how she suitable for All Type of Team Comp...
Robin is more suitable for Follow Up Team..... If you use her in another Team.. You can not utilize her Buff/trace For Follow Up Increase damage...
It's only 25% Crit damagec contrary of the 90% DMG% loss on break team like Ruan Mei.
shut up jihadi
Robin for follow up and Ruan Mei for break.
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Robin is better in DoT. Ruan Mei delays the enemy so Arcana loses much DPS and cycles. On contrary, Robin advances the team, stacking more Arcana like Ruan Mei but doesn't make Arcana loses DPS.
And Huohuo makes her ultimate be pretty consistent.
Robin isn't better in hypercarry, she's too heavy on skill points and with casual/f2p investment her energy requirements are way too high. Also Ruan Mei does delay the enemy but their turns still happen so it doesn't "hurt" the dps but it might even improve it
@Daverf1f You forgot that the sustain for Hypercarry is Huohuo. So the only problem is Skill points. But they make Sunday which is fully skill positive and is dependent of ATK buff like tingyun and Robin
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Sunday isn't skill point positive, he's neutral at E0S0 and is slightly negative at the start. Also having HuoHuo doesn't solve the energy issue entirely, you can only get one HuoHuo ult during a Robin ult and it gives like 32 energy, unless you're against fast enemies like Hoolay, it is not enough
@Daverf1f stills the same as a Follow-up team with Huohuo. 1 or 2 turn to use ultimate. I doesn't get the energy problem.
Yeah, Sunday is pratically needed his S1. What a good game huh.
What in the world was that seele...
I hate that im watching this 36s post upload
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the amount of brain damage in this comment section is crazy
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Ruan mei no dif ruan mei work on every robin comp while robin just cant keep up with ruan mei comps but i feel liké if u dont play break robin IS better
not true and you proved it yourself. any team other than break, robin >
Ruan Mei works on every Robin comp then clears 2 cycles slower though-
@@eternitiesx kinda funny when robin has lost to rm with dot team and the same dps in pokkie tournaments
@@claudiowiseman8488Yeah, that's an example of how saying Robin is better in non-Break team isn't quite clear cut. Because if you don't do the proper speed tuning and make a workaround or rely on RNG to solve Robin's energy issues, her performance will become far worse than when she's in her ideal team. She's an example of a character that can perform the best in theory, but in practice you have to jump through a lot of hoops to actually somewhat pull it off
Ruan Mei is the true plug and play universal support, as the buffs she provides pretty much has full uptime and benefits all archetypes with minimal maintenance required. She may have lower ceiling than Robin in her ideal team and scenario, but ease of use is certainly something a lot of people underestimate and Ruan Mei is the way comfier option.
@@eternitiesx yes but thé méta right now IS break so lol
Pokke forgot about true sting vulnerability mechanic, so take this with a grain of salt.
To me, I cannot compare both because ruan mei is SU focused, while robin is more universal, so putting them to the test in MoC, AS and PF will just favor Robin.
For the sake of fairness, try testing them both in SU.
"robin is universal"
Yeah, except she's terrible in Break and you either need to use a QPQ user or rely on enemy RNG outside of FuA teams, but other than that, she's definitely universal.
I made a correction to say robin is "more universal" than ruan mei, meaning she can fit in more teams effortlessly.
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Ruan Mei ofc, Robin weak af, only for fua in fact
That's the most delusional take I've heard
I’m guessing you’re trolling.
I'm guessing you don't have robin in fact🧂
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