Your twitch chat is actually insane during the first couple showcases haha. E6 Acheron was literally overkilling the first wave by like 500k when fully buffed which gimps her stack generation. Goes to show that people really have no idea what they’re talking about lol
Feixiao wasted an ult in the first wave and could have had extra turns in the second wave if Pokke didn't use Robin's ult early at the end, which would have granted Feixiao an extra ult.
@sct77 hello again! 👋 The extra dmg provided by fei there wouldn’t have been considerable enough to say she did “better” than an e6 Acheron. She would end up with another ult or at the very least close to another, if you added aventurine/gallagher respectively Feixiao would have had an extra ult, and Acheron would have 4x ults in the cycle with a potential second robin ult- which would make it 5.
@@pally3370 It would still have been more than enough to say at the very least that they're around the same level. If you have to change the team then it doesn't count, all Feixiao needed was literally any of Pokke's other relics and to not purposefully misplay.
@sct77 You’re assuming that there were no misplays on Acheron’s side either. He took 3 extra attempts to clear 0c because he overkilled the first wave too quickly and his Bailu got frightened immediately which forced him to use JQ ult and waste his Eagle advance. It is not nearly enough to say they are equal units, you are engaging in a false equivalence fallacy here, but that’s ok. 👍 Fei IS better than Acheron as a base unit, but she is NOT better than an e6 Acheron. She still remains the most busted unit possible for dmg outside of e6 supports. Using your same logic- the e6 Acheron was able to 0c with all of the supports used (RM, Sparkle) without messing around with the relics. If you have to change the relics, then it doesn’t count! 🤷♀️
@@pally3370 He gave her extra attempts and the Robin ult misplay is way worse and more impactful than anything that happened in the Acheron side. They're both overkiIIing by a lot and that's all that matters. She's e6s5, it shouldn't even be close.
Even for the content farming, this is such a bad showcase. Imagine taking out 4th slot for 2 units in the game that benefit the most from it, not only deleting a bunch of extra stacks from E2's but also nerfing their base kits.
My guy it's not that deep, they'd probably end up getting 0 more ults... Maybe 1 if lucky, but I don't think it would've made the different... Also, yeah, Aventurine generates a few stacks for Feixiao (maybe... 2-3 MAX in a 0 cycle like this?) but with S1 those FUAs also generates stacks for Acheron too, so what's the point, it's the same result 😂
Both unit suffers from it so it's kinda fair. Acheron get less stacks since no galagher. Feixiao get less stack cuz no adven. One probably suffer more but it ain't that deep really. Both did 1 cycle.
@@BenBeckmane If the point of the video is to compare eidolons you gotta use real teams, in which case Pokke did a terrible job of showing E2 and E6 strength. With actual teams that people really use, both units will 0 cycle even without their BiS supports. But if you're making E6S5 Acheron look worse than E2S1 Acheron, it's just a bad showcase.
@@wallnut7624To be fair, Feixiao doesn't suffer that much without aven, since this e2 Feixiao can quite easily gain 6 stack getting help from Topaz, and can cast 2 times on single cycle. Meanwhile, on Acheron side, because she's an AoE unit and rely JQ debuff on enemy turn or if you prefer speedy Acheron to help regenerate more. So the conclusion between these two, one faster and can saving more, and the other one it's kinda slow and sometimes forcing you to cast ult to not waste the overflow energy.
What sucks: Acheron will only fall further from grace (still a ways off) because the devs REFUSE to give her an entire team dedicated to her needs. We get JQ and that's it. Meanwhile FUA and break teams... ESPECIALLY break teams.. I don't even need to elaborate. anyways, the takeaway is to e6s5 bailu
And who said that Acheron won't get a full dedicated team in the future...? Do you have no patience? FUA is finished, full premium limited team complete. Now, Acheron team, hypercarry, new summon team, monoquantum, DOT, etc. is gonna get its stuff. Idk why you think they're done, they're clearly not, you can see that they've implemented synergies in multiple characters kits that haven't been exploited yet. Yep, it _will_ get exploited, they plan this stuff like a year in advance. Thought Jingyuan was insanely bad? Look what happens with Sunday. HP meta is over? Not sure about that! You think Sparkle and Silver Wolf are finished...? "How could Sparkle be better than Sunday in _any_ team!" Yeah... Just you wait. Acheron team will get better too lol
lmao it's been 7 patches since she got released, and we are moving to an entire new path and these acheron copers still coping that her team is not complete xd... it's never gonna happen all those people you guys tricked into getting E2S1 acheron this patch will realize it soon 😂
She already have full plate from those nihility, and fast recharging from her eidolon. I can't think anything else beside turn manipulation, auto recharge energy received when enemy take action (which that's JQ kit), unless there's some more amp version debuff or make more powerful dmg boost for her, that's it, nothing else.
this is why i am slowly losing interest in hsr as someone who cares about meta since its not fun to see the character you invested so much into fall off and I imagine with amphorous this issue will only keep growing, if amphorious is as bad as penacony in terms of powercreep I will probably just drop the game because whats even the point even supports get powercrept in hsr its crazy tomorrow they will release another teamwide AA character with built in res pen and other buffs and oops robins fallen off
@@Moth-Grinder650 well its probably not long before feixiao gets powerfcrept too lmfao happened with acheron so you best belive it will happen with feixiao as well in this regard genshin truly could never, took them damn near 4 years to release a power creep unit like nuivillete and arlechino lmfao
People look at cycle clears and don't look further into comparing these clears: 1. Fei is the queen of efficient damage. The chances of her overkilling is slim, only happens when you mess up with her ult, but her teams are usually sub dps + her doing damage, so you can better allocate damage to enemies and only use ult on the beefy and healthy bois. Acheron damage profile is so lopsided to ult that you see get situations where you have to ult for clean-up, which can result in wonky rotations. 2. Why run atk boots when you're overkilling so much😭 you're gimping Acheron self stack gen by not letting her go three times first cycle (just have 134 spd, e0s1/e0s0 prefers atk boots her self gen not worth it, but e2s1 regens a third of her ult by helself per turn, take advantage of that...) (Feixiao too... Atk boots are not worth not getting that third turn first cycle lets be real when both units have good self-stack gen)
acheron takes to long, she was awesome when she came out there weren't any characters can clear like her, but Fei just destroys her in clearing mobs even being single target she cleans house faster and builds up her ult quicker as long you got FUA characters
"Performs much better" Meanwhile, Feixiao still manages to 0c the boss with almost the same investment as Acheron. Fyi, Feixiao needs to do 5m dmg without weakness. Meanwhile, Acheron only needs to do 1m dmg per enemy (cuz of shared hp, 1m dmg on each enemy totals to 5m) with weakness. Feixiao is way too broken to be even compared to other dps units tbh.
@@deltaspecies1697 I never said that Acheron performs better than Feixiao on second side I said Acheron performs better on second side rather than first side Stop putting words in my mouth
@@deltaspecies1697 I have only seen a single 0 cycle clear video with Feixiao on the TV side and it was an extremely clutch sustainless clear with super red HP, meanwhile Acheron clears 0 cycles under the comfort of Aventurine with no damage taken, so I'm not sure it's all that comparable 💀
@BenBeckmane bro i cant with these hypocrite people 😭 they glaze feixiao for 0 cycling aoe oriented boss but when acheron was 0 cycling a single target oriented boss they doompost the shit out of her, and they be taking this showcase and all these arguing about whos better seriously too
@ comment section literacy challenge: impossible Literally nobody is bring up cost here Also, yeah dog, running a 4 man team even with E0S1 is usually better than running a full on E6S5 carry with a 3 man team, espcially when you are actively trying to 0 cycle. That’s how the game functions my guy
When I see my guy comparing a hyper focus single target dmg vs an almost erudition unit on an almost single target unit, I already know he was trolling 😂😂😂😂
the only reason robin side struggled was that pokke was doing so much damage that he couldnt get extra stacks for second wave. Overkilling screwed him over but its not robin's fault that she buffs damage more than sparkle and that the lower damage sparkle offered was actually useful in this whale showcase.
@@Wawawawawa750 1.216 million damage with Robin on Svarog + Elite (ult active) and 1.338 million with Sparkle at the end, although Svarog was broken, so it's almost equal in damage. I guess Robin probably has the advantage for her full team advance though. Damage wise it wasn't really all that different, if you can push your Sparkle relics to have an insane amount of speed and run ATK% boots and full crit rolls on Acheron for hyperspeed setup, it becomes super super close for Sparkle VS Robin, so yeah, it's a close match
The problem is that e6 acheron was utilizing her full e2 and Feixiao wasnt. Not a complete comparison. Should have used Lingsha for her instead of Bailu
The problem is Feixiao was using Robin and topaz dealing godly amount of damage while acheron wasnt. Its not fair to compare them. I love them both but this game doesnt have enough supports for every type of thing. The only complete teams are FART and Firefly team.
@@yukiakira. True. But at the same time not having support for Acheron is by design. Needing nihility companion and unit that can apply debuff is a requirement of her kit. Unless they drop another Jiaoqui just for her. The reality of this showcase is that they are both nerfed, because the game have no way to resist their full team at e0. P.s.: btw, the relic difference between that Acheron and that Feixiao is absurd. We are talking about a top 1% Acheron vs a top 20~30% feixiao.
If lingsha or aventurine were used It’d be a very different story, of course Acheron would also do better but feixiao benefits significantly more from it
A good percentage of people do really enjoy the team building aspect of the game. But man does wear you out at times even if you’re just tuning in for news and playing content when they drop. Despite all, you do get a feeling dread mixed with the excitement because it inevitably means you’ll feel like you have to spend money
E2 Acheron, E2 Sparkle, E1S1 Jiaoqiu 0 cycle both sides easy. No DDD. Fu Xuan sustain. E1S1 Feixiao, E2S1 Robin, E6 Moze E0S1 Aventurine 0 cycle side 1 easy, but side 2 is just slow and problematic. E6 Acheron unnecessary. If I had E2 Feixiao and E1S1 Topaz then 0 cycle on side 2 may be possible, but 5 million damage single focus is just slower than AoE against 5 targets with shared HP, even with chaining Robin ults without the E2 and power and fire weakness from E1S1 Topaz, so I'd have liked to see that comparison. Acheron just ate the bananacademic staff's lunch in her sleep. 2.2M ult nearly one shot the full phase 2 HP bar, one E0S1 Fu Xuan ult finished it and Sparkle had a turn left. Take this as you will, just more data for the pile. I love them both and have true 0-cycled the last 3 MoC with them.
Bonus, got 1 cycle side 1 with sustainless DoT using E1S1 Ruan Mei and Jiaoqiu respectively (Black Swan too, E0S1 Kafka). 3 cycles with no Jiaoqiu and Huo Huo. Feelsgoodman.
Just skill issue, I've seen low cost fei 0 cycling phase 2. ruclips.net/video/6YrxDJ71z6k/видео.html found the vid, it's sustainless but can be done even with sustain with your eidolons
@@alex_9236 @alex_9236 that's a great clear, but I don't have any sustainless tank builds for support like Robin, or even one full 4pc wind set on my acct. my Bronya is E0 and skill points were a major issue when using her. I was just talking about with fairly casual builds and regular relic sets. My Feixiao is 137 speed, doesn't even hit 160 with E2 Robin. I didn't say it couldn't be done, just my experience. if no wind set or heavy speed farming is skill issue than ok, but I don't have that kinda time lol
2.0 unit vs a 3.0 unit is crazy work 💀 Honestly Pokke could have just went full on WAR and removed the stupid "nerfing" since Fei e2 can easily keep up with e6 Ache.
Both are on the same level but to me is undeniable that Feixiao seems better overall. Yeah, this MoC is good because the first half has few enemies and the second half the boss have shared HP, but it still is E2 vs E6. There's no room for improvment for Acheron besides getting new characters to help her, meanwhile Feixiao still have 4 more eidolons, and even though she already have a dedicated team, she could still benefit from future, more even stronger characters imo
Feixiao has no more room to grow lol, she has perfect team, it can not get better. While Acheron has only JQ.. Maybe after summon meta devs will decide to go back to dot teams and bring a signature harmony and sustain for Acheron
well truth is if they keep increasing defense and health of enemy any and all dps are going to face same problem in future they will fell short no matter if its 0 cycle or not
@@kingsimba9513 That’s weird to say considering that Feixiao already has her best team out in the game alongside all the buffs in the game that favour her, meaning she has already reached her highest potential, while Acheron only has JQ as a dedicated support and the rest of the team is just whatever you can slap together. I think Acheron is the one that still hasn’t reached her full potential, actually.
@@ALL_FOR_NOTHING_Feixiao can easily 40k PF, the AOE mode. If Acheron's only good in 3+ target scenarios, then she's a glorified useless Erudition unit.
@@cielsteamUnfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
Tbh All you had to do for prove a point Is ok we remove Robin from fei but we also have to remove jiaoqui from acheron😂Cause my wife keeping up with an acheron C6 says a lot
@@securez4213to remind you that fei in this case wasn't using her full e2,usually 0 cyclers on fei (even at e0s0)they use Robin bronya March and by far it's her best team for 0 cycle especially at low cost so even while having topaz and aven they barely are played on fei 0 cycles teams especially with relatable stats,In fact if you see acheron 0 cycles they either have jiaoqui or if they don't you see him the other 3 supports have unrealistic stats while she also has unrealistic ones,fei since release managed to 0 cycle even without robin Just to keep in mind.Acheron has no escuse for not having a full team when she has jiaoqui that does 90% of her stacks then aven with lc or trend depends if you use or have jiaoqui and 4th slot can be whatever,we are talking about an e6 acheron meaning she's fully utilizing her e2,not to mention that if they release a new nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui at everything he does,not only that e2 would be completely useless cause you would use an harmony regardless for better dmg,While in fei case if they release more follow up supports She Will also benefit at e0 and even more at e2.
Acheron without jiao still do shit same with Fei without Robin. Id argue Fei loses more dps because Robin ult does dmg for the whole team especially with follow up but it doesn't means she's worse than Acheron
Acheron still missing 2 powerful support (only JQ)and yet FEIXIAO already got all powerful limited 5" support =FART😂 I expect in 3.0+ we got new sustain summoner with debuff kit _-not dot sustain-_
@flatdefgod2960 tbh her best 0 cycle team Is Robin bronya March especially for e2 fei,Can we stop the cap that acheron doesn't have a full team?like FR you have aven that can use trend and his ult for proc stacks or even his LC plus his ult for free stacks on acheron,you have jiaoqui that literally gives her ult on every time She has her turn plus she can literally scam bronya/Sparkle/Robin/ruan mei on their achetype at e2 so her team Is done.Not to mention if they create another nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui and It would also make her e2 useless,while in fei case even at e0 if they release an upgrade of topaz or any other follow up Attack sub Dps/buffer or even support not only her e0 will be stronger but also her e2 would be even more broken.The fact that acheron e6 needs jiaoqui to compete against fei with no Robin says a lot,she's baal 2.0 people over invested on her thinking that she was op cause on release she was shilled asf and now they have to cope about It.
Unfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
@@kingsimba9513 cause she requires Nihility. If you want abandon Acheron you have to demolish Nihility characters which is quite different than leaving alone a few characters
I'm fairly certain aventurine would change fk all lol. At most ur getting 2 FuA from em (if that even) and 1 ult and while that's a solid dmg boost it ain't allat without robin. And if u run robin that's just FART and at that point it's a 2 v 4 And even e6 acheron suddenly becomes the underdog just like everyone else that isn't FF (or rappa once Fugue comes out). Probably gallagher would've been more reasonable. bailu unironically did absolutely FK ALL to acheron while atleast giving fei sum stacks for just attacking which isn't certainly nothing. A gallagher would have been more consistent since he benefits both units pretty much equally and unlike aventurine there no RnG at all with em. I expected atleast one run with each unit's BIS against 2nd half for memes but maybe that's TOO acheron favoured as 3 out of the 4 memebers on her team including herself can control TVs easily where as Feixiao would need a galla or linghsa otherwise it's a bit scuffed. If this shows anything it's that feixiao needs robin way more...no surprises there.
E2 Feixiao is so much better against most bosses it's not even funny. The only reason it was "close" with Robin is because his Feixiao was too slow so he had to waste an ult
No no no dude she's missing a nihility healer it's not cope a E6S5 character can't compete with a E2S1 character because they're missing a nihility healer Lmao this comment section is better than the Gacha revenue ones
Wouldn’t it make more sense to fight an enemy that is not weak to lightning/wind considering E6 acheron is more Res Pen so fighting that is already weak to lightning lowers the value of that? And also considering that both are generally good even against non-element weak enemies
It's pretty simple, you take any scenario where it's not a 1-2 enemies, wind weak boss, and E6 Acheron wins easily. Different element? Acheron wins. AOE? Acheron wins. Can't use Robin? Acheron wins. Feixiao is a lot _less_ situational than the old FUA comps and can buldoze a lot of content, but she's a lot more situational than people want to admit. Before Feixiao came out, barely any wind weaknesses. Feixiao came out, and whoops! Suddenly one side has Kafka, Hoolay, Svarog, then Svarog again... 4 in a row, how odd! Considering that the _last_ wind weakness before that was 5 entire MOCs before!
@@maxsw3llzeaNo. You have to look at it in terms of which unit provides the most to their respective comps. For Feixiao it's Robin, and for Acheron it's JQ.
@poin8456 ahhh so Fei dosent need aven or topaz to be at the top i got u man, Acheron only has 1 Fei already has the perfekt Team so lets wait for Like a Tank for Acheron
"Feixiao seems stronger in this MOC" insane because the enemy line-ups are Acheron favoured (both lightning weak and no chunky ST boss like Argenti, Aventurine, or Hoolay). I mean, this MOC was on her banner after all lol.
@@kingsimba9513 I don't think its insane, enemies are also only two enemies with also wind weakness. If you run the best teams for the DPSs I do believe Feixiao will do better. It can also be harder to determine with this showcase due to eidolon discrepancy between DPS. The real interesting showcase will be next week with Sunday, Robin and Jingyuan.
@@eherden2169 Nihility with a debuff like " if enemies with this debuff being attacked, the attacker will restore their HP with x% amount of the dmg dealt" seems good enough tho. Alongside other dmg increase debuff effect.
L gameplay lmfao. Bro legit don't know how to use an e6 character 💀. Why even use atk boots when your acheron is overkilling by that much? Also, does he not know how to accumulate acheron's stacks efficiently?? This video is literally for clout.
This isn't E6 acheron or E2 Feixiao showcase. This is none other than bailu showcase here.
her healing actually surprised me a bit not a single sp needed to be used huo huo could never
It’s a Mrpokke showcase. Mrfraudkke
mind to explain why bailu great?
why not galaher or lingsha
Get mogged
bailu my goat everyone make sure to choose her for the free 5 star she will make 0 cycle so much easier
Fitting enough I'm getting her cuz she's the only standard i haven't gotten and i have s3 of himekoand gepards lc
Your twitch chat is actually insane during the first couple showcases haha. E6 Acheron was literally overkilling the first wave by like 500k when fully buffed which gimps her stack generation. Goes to show that people really have no idea what they’re talking about lol
Feixiao wasted an ult in the first wave and could have had extra turns in the second wave if Pokke didn't use Robin's ult early at the end, which would have granted Feixiao an extra ult.
@sct77 hello again! 👋
The extra dmg provided by fei there wouldn’t have been considerable enough to say she did “better” than an e6 Acheron. She would end up with another ult or at the very least close to another, if you added aventurine/gallagher respectively Feixiao would have had an extra ult, and Acheron would have 4x ults in the cycle with a potential second robin ult- which would make it 5.
@@pally3370 It would still have been more than enough to say at the very least that they're around the same level. If you have to change the team then it doesn't count, all Feixiao needed was literally any of Pokke's other relics and to not purposefully misplay.
@sct77
You’re assuming that there were no misplays on Acheron’s side either. He took 3 extra attempts to clear 0c because he overkilled the first wave too quickly and his Bailu got frightened immediately which forced him to use JQ ult and waste his Eagle advance. It is not nearly enough to say they are equal units, you are engaging in a false equivalence fallacy here, but that’s ok. 👍
Fei IS better than Acheron as a base unit, but she is NOT better than an e6 Acheron. She still remains the most busted unit possible for dmg outside of e6 supports. Using your same logic- the e6 Acheron was able to 0c with all of the supports used (RM, Sparkle) without messing around with the relics. If you have to change the relics, then it doesn’t count! 🤷♀️
@@pally3370 He gave her extra attempts and the Robin ult misplay is way worse and more impactful than anything that happened in the Acheron side. They're both overkiIIing by a lot and that's all that matters. She's e6s5, it shouldn't even be close.
Excellent Bailu showcase, my prince!
Some people shit one characters and praise the others as if their favorites will not be powercreped.
Even for the content farming, this is such a bad showcase. Imagine taking out 4th slot for 2 units in the game that benefit the most from it, not only deleting a bunch of extra stacks from E2's but also nerfing their base kits.
My guy it's not that deep, they'd probably end up getting 0 more ults... Maybe 1 if lucky, but I don't think it would've made the different...
Also, yeah, Aventurine generates a few stacks for Feixiao (maybe... 2-3 MAX in a 0 cycle like this?) but with S1 those FUAs also generates stacks for Acheron too, so what's the point, it's the same result 😂
Both unit suffers from it so it's kinda fair. Acheron get less stacks since no galagher. Feixiao get less stack cuz no adven. One probably suffer more but it ain't that deep really. Both did 1 cycle.
@@BenBeckmane If the point of the video is to compare eidolons you gotta use real teams, in which case Pokke did a terrible job of showing E2 and E6 strength. With actual teams that people really use, both units will 0 cycle even without their BiS supports. But if you're making E6S5 Acheron look worse than E2S1 Acheron, it's just a bad showcase.
@@wallnut7624To be fair, Feixiao doesn't suffer that much without aven, since this e2 Feixiao can quite easily gain 6 stack getting help from Topaz, and can cast 2 times on single cycle. Meanwhile, on Acheron side, because she's an AoE unit and rely JQ debuff on enemy turn or if you prefer speedy Acheron to help regenerate more. So the conclusion between these two, one faster and can saving more, and the other one it's kinda slow and sometimes forcing you to cast ult to not waste the overflow energy.
What sucks: Acheron will only fall further from grace (still a ways off) because the devs REFUSE to give her an entire team dedicated to her needs. We get JQ and that's it.
Meanwhile FUA and break teams... ESPECIALLY break teams.. I don't even need to elaborate.
anyways, the takeaway is to e6s5 bailu
And who said that Acheron won't get a full dedicated team in the future...? Do you have no patience?
FUA is finished, full premium limited team complete. Now, Acheron team, hypercarry, new summon team, monoquantum, DOT, etc. is gonna get its stuff. Idk why you think they're done, they're clearly not, you can see that they've implemented synergies in multiple characters kits that haven't been exploited yet. Yep, it _will_ get exploited, they plan this stuff like a year in advance.
Thought Jingyuan was insanely bad? Look what happens with Sunday. HP meta is over? Not sure about that! You think Sparkle and Silver Wolf are finished...? "How could Sparkle be better than Sunday in _any_ team!" Yeah... Just you wait. Acheron team will get better too lol
ah yes, a midcheron coper
Bro chill out. The herta will probably powercreep her even more. Just enjoy the game and forget the meta.
lmao it's been 7 patches since she got released, and we are moving to an entire new path and these acheron copers still coping that her team is not complete xd... it's never gonna happen all those people you guys tricked into getting E2S1 acheron this patch will realize it soon 😂
She already have full plate from those nihility, and fast recharging from her eidolon. I can't think anything else beside turn manipulation, auto recharge energy received when enemy take action (which that's JQ kit), unless there's some more amp version debuff or make more powerful dmg boost for her, that's it, nothing else.
this is why i am slowly losing interest in hsr as someone who cares about meta since its not fun to see the character you invested so much into fall off and I imagine with amphorous this issue will only keep growing, if amphorious is as bad as penacony in terms of powercreep I will probably just drop the game because whats even the point even supports get powercrept in hsr its crazy tomorrow they will release another teamwide AA character with built in res pen and other buffs and oops robins fallen off
Saaaame
Another acheron-cell seething from Feixiao mogging ever other unit 😭
Only if you're chasing 0 cycles. If you're actually doing content powercreep is a lot less relevant
@@Moth-Grinder650 well its probably not long before feixiao gets powerfcrept too lmfao happened with acheron so you best belive it will happen with feixiao as well in this regard genshin truly could never, took them damn near 4 years to release a power creep unit like nuivillete and arlechino lmfao
@@Omegeddon wdym 1.x dps without a lot of investment are tanking at 4 or 5 cycles
People look at cycle clears and don't look further into comparing these clears:
1. Fei is the queen of efficient damage. The chances of her overkilling is slim, only happens when you mess up with her ult, but her teams are usually sub dps + her doing damage, so you can better allocate damage to enemies and only use ult on the beefy and healthy bois. Acheron damage profile is so lopsided to ult that you see get situations where you have to ult for clean-up, which can result in wonky rotations.
2. Why run atk boots when you're overkilling so much😭 you're gimping Acheron self stack gen by not letting her go three times first cycle (just have 134 spd, e0s1/e0s0 prefers atk boots her self gen not worth it, but e2s1 regens a third of her ult by helself per turn, take advantage of that...) (Feixiao too... Atk boots are not worth not getting that third turn first cycle lets be real when both units have good self-stack gen)
acheron takes to long, she was awesome when she came out there weren't any characters can clear like her, but Fei just destroys her in clearing mobs even being single target she cleans house faster and builds up her ult quicker as long you got FUA characters
Acheron performs much better second side thought, where the enemies have shared HP pool
"Performs much better"
Meanwhile, Feixiao still manages to 0c the boss with almost the same investment as Acheron.
Fyi, Feixiao needs to do 5m dmg without weakness. Meanwhile, Acheron only needs to do 1m dmg per enemy (cuz of shared hp, 1m dmg on each enemy totals to 5m) with weakness.
Feixiao is way too broken to be even compared to other dps units tbh.
@@deltaspecies1697 I never said that Acheron performs better than Feixiao on second side
I said Acheron performs better on second side rather than first side
Stop putting words in my mouth
@@deltaspecies1697 I have only seen a single 0 cycle clear video with Feixiao on the TV side and it was an extremely clutch sustainless clear with super red HP, meanwhile Acheron clears 0 cycles under the comfort of Aventurine with no damage taken, so I'm not sure it's all that comparable 💀
@@usernamechris07 Then what's the point lol. If what you're saying wouldn't changed anything, why even mention it.
@BenBeckmane bro i cant with these hypocrite people 😭 they glaze feixiao for 0 cycling aoe oriented boss but when acheron was 0 cycling a single target oriented boss they doompost the shit out of her, and they be taking this showcase and all these arguing about whos better seriously too
my E0S1 Acheron 0 cycles this. Why is his E6S5 struggling. Like this is not real how awful are his builds even 💀
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Blud is comparing his clear when he’s running sustainless 💀 aight bro
@@poin8456 by your logic E0S1 sustainless is more cost heavy than E6S5 with sustain. You’re funny
@ comment section literacy challenge: impossible
Literally nobody is bring up cost here
Also, yeah dog, running a 4 man team even with E0S1 is usually better than running a full on E6S5 carry with a 3 man team, espcially when you are actively trying to 0 cycle.
That’s how the game functions my guy
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When I see my guy comparing a hyper focus single target dmg vs an almost erudition unit on an almost single target unit, I already know he was trolling 😂😂😂😂
E6 Acheron vs E2 Feixiao at the end of the day this was a Bailu showcase and we all know it.
so sparkle better than robin for acheron i see
the only reason robin side struggled was that pokke was doing so much damage that he couldnt get extra stacks for second wave. Overkilling screwed him over but its not robin's fault that she buffs damage more than sparkle and that the lower damage sparkle offered was actually useful in this whale showcase.
@@Wawawawawa750 1.216 million damage with Robin on Svarog + Elite (ult active) and 1.338 million with Sparkle at the end, although Svarog was broken, so it's almost equal in damage. I guess Robin probably has the advantage for her full team advance though. Damage wise it wasn't really all that different, if you can push your Sparkle relics to have an insane amount of speed and run ATK% boots and full crit rolls on Acheron for hyperspeed setup, it becomes super super close for Sparkle VS Robin, so yeah, it's a close match
The problem is that e6 acheron was utilizing her full e2 and Feixiao wasnt. Not a complete comparison. Should have used Lingsha for her instead of Bailu
The problem is Feixiao was using Robin and topaz dealing godly amount of damage while acheron wasnt. Its not fair to compare them. I love them both but this game doesnt have enough supports for every type of thing. The only complete teams are FART and Firefly team.
Blud, averentine at max is giving 1 or 2 extra stacks because it's a zero cycle. THe enemies are not attacking that much.
Bro thinks aven is just a stack generator for feixiao
@@yukiakira. True. But at the same time not having support for Acheron is by design. Needing nihility companion and unit that can apply debuff is a requirement of her kit. Unless they drop another Jiaoqui just for her.
The reality of this showcase is that they are both nerfed, because the game have no way to resist their full team at e0.
P.s.: btw, the relic difference between that Acheron and that Feixiao is absurd. We are talking about a top 1% Acheron vs a top 20~30% feixiao.
@@AlwaysThirstys And the funny thing is that S1 Aventurine would generate 2 extra stacks for Acheron as well 😂
If lingsha or aventurine were used It’d be a very different story, of course Acheron would also do better but feixiao benefits significantly more from it
Great Video. Nice Bailu Showcase btw
Both of them will be powercrept during 3.0 and we all know it.
A big issue is robin is so far ahead fua than another support would be the extra robin hit is so huge for fua
A good percentage of people do really enjoy the team building aspect of the game. But man does wear you out at times even if you’re just tuning in for news and playing content when they drop. Despite all, you do get a feeling dread mixed with the excitement because it inevitably means you’ll feel like you have to spend money
E2 Acheron, E2 Sparkle, E1S1 Jiaoqiu 0 cycle both sides easy. No DDD. Fu Xuan sustain.
E1S1 Feixiao, E2S1 Robin, E6 Moze E0S1 Aventurine 0 cycle side 1 easy, but side 2 is just slow and problematic.
E6 Acheron unnecessary. If I had E2 Feixiao and E1S1 Topaz then 0 cycle on side 2 may be possible, but 5 million damage single focus is just slower than AoE against 5 targets with shared HP, even with chaining Robin ults without the E2 and power and fire weakness from E1S1 Topaz, so I'd have liked to see that comparison.
Acheron just ate the bananacademic staff's lunch in her sleep. 2.2M ult nearly one shot the full phase 2 HP bar, one E0S1 Fu Xuan ult finished it and Sparkle had a turn left.
Take this as you will, just more data for the pile. I love them both and have true 0-cycled the last 3 MoC with them.
Bonus, got 1 cycle side 1 with sustainless DoT using E1S1 Ruan Mei and Jiaoqiu respectively (Black Swan too, E0S1 Kafka). 3 cycles with no Jiaoqiu and Huo Huo. Feelsgoodman.
Is your e2 Acheron on speed boots?
Just skill issue, I've seen low cost fei 0 cycling phase 2.
ruclips.net/video/6YrxDJ71z6k/видео.html found the vid, it's sustainless but can be done even with sustain with your eidolons
@@gem_ola6642 nope ATK, I use her with Sparkle, not even very fast just like 140 with 4pc hackerspace.
@@alex_9236 @alex_9236 that's a great clear, but I don't have any sustainless tank builds for support like Robin, or even one full 4pc wind set on my acct. my Bronya is E0 and skill points were a major issue when using her. I was just talking about with fairly casual builds and regular relic sets. My Feixiao is 137 speed, doesn't even hit 160 with E2 Robin. I didn't say it couldn't be done, just my experience. if no wind set or heavy speed farming is skill issue than ok, but I don't have that kinda time lol
Bailu ahowcase at last, prydwen would say she's tier 0, look at these amazing clears
genuine question, why Bailu as sustain? is there like new tech someone discovered on her or something? or just meme-ing?
A bit of a meme, but she's also a "Pure Sustain" with no additional benefits for damage. Luocha would've worked too, but Bailu is just funnier to see.
I forgot wave 1 summoned goldfish cause I used e0 gurlfriend to set their corspes ablaze before they came out.
Turkish sultans:,,My first wife vs my second wife’’☠️☠️☠️
"Good, good, good, good, good" triggered my Google assistant 😂😂
New characters are always better than the old ones.
Is this truly our honkai star rail
"LOOK OUT!!...HERE COME THE %1 MAAAN"
Just embrace it pokke and turn it into merch, lol.
2.0 unit vs a 3.0 unit is crazy work 💀
Honestly Pokke could have just went full on WAR and removed the stupid "nerfing" since Fei e2 can easily keep up with e6 Ache.
Both are on the same level but to me is undeniable that Feixiao seems better overall. Yeah, this MoC is good because the first half has few enemies and the second half the boss have shared HP, but it still is E2 vs E6. There's no room for improvment for Acheron besides getting new characters to help her, meanwhile Feixiao still have 4 more eidolons, and even though she already have a dedicated team, she could still benefit from future, more even stronger characters imo
Feixiao has no more room to grow lol, she has perfect team, it can not get better. While Acheron has only JQ.. Maybe after summon meta devs will decide to go back to dot teams and bring a signature harmony and sustain for Acheron
well truth is if they keep increasing defense and health of enemy any and all dps are going to face same problem in future they will fell short no matter if its 0 cycle or not
Nah. Feixiao will still be meta because her ceiling is much higher than Acheron's.
@@kingsimba9513 its just depend on mobs acheron hit hard with many mobs while feixiao good at mini boss 2-1 target..
@@kingsimba9513 That’s weird to say considering that Feixiao already has her best team out in the game alongside all the buffs in the game that favour her, meaning she has already reached her highest potential, while Acheron only has JQ as a dedicated support and the rest of the team is just whatever you can slap together. I think Acheron is the one that still hasn’t reached her full potential, actually.
@@ALL_FOR_NOTHING_Feixiao can easily 40k PF, the AOE mode. If Acheron's only good in 3+ target scenarios, then she's a glorified useless Erudition unit.
@@cielsteamUnfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
bro changing wives as gloves
From what we can see here, don't invest too much into dps if you're not spending any money into the game or you'll get disappointed af 😂
hidden Bailu shill so everyone wastes their tix on her on 2.7 instead of Bronya or Himeko, great job Pokke!
Aglaea is gonna powercreep Acheron so hard lmao
Herta is, algaea and Acheron are completely different types of characters
@@zheneruyou're right, two are going to be meta whereas one is shit.
You act like she won't powercreep Feixiao and FF
blud is clueless
This test was kinda fun I just wish he would use the full version of the team then to give an excuse for why a character did worse
My boy you really don't know how to use Acheron properly
giga missplays on the feixiao sparkle team beyond just incorrect speed tuning lmao
Tbh All you had to do for prove a point Is ok we remove Robin from fei but we also have to remove jiaoqui from acheron😂Cause my wife keeping up with an acheron C6 says a lot
Well Fei has a full Team Acheron only has jiao lets wait for better Acheron Team mates
@@securez4213to remind you that fei in this case wasn't using her full e2,usually 0 cyclers on fei (even at e0s0)they use Robin bronya March and by far it's her best team for 0 cycle especially at low cost so even while having topaz and aven they barely are played on fei 0 cycles teams especially with relatable stats,In fact if you see acheron 0 cycles they either have jiaoqui or if they don't you see him the other 3 supports have unrealistic stats while she also has unrealistic ones,fei since release managed to 0 cycle even without robin Just to keep in mind.Acheron has no escuse for not having a full team when she has jiaoqui that does 90% of her stacks then aven with lc or trend depends if you use or have jiaoqui and 4th slot can be whatever,we are talking about an e6 acheron meaning she's fully utilizing her e2,not to mention that if they release a new nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui at everything he does,not only that e2 would be completely useless cause you would use an harmony regardless for better dmg,While in fei case if they release more follow up supports She Will also benefit at e0 and even more at e2.
Acheron without jiao still do shit same with Fei without Robin. Id argue Fei loses more dps because Robin ult does dmg for the whole team especially with follow up but it doesn't means she's worse than Acheron
@source324 i dont think she is worse, but what pokke Just Shows us is Troll cause even my Acheron 0 cycle this Shit
@@securez4213 yeah same here even tho it's e2s1 just like fei still 0 cycle 2-3 tries with a sustain Gallagher
i play E3S1 fexia with her premium team[ E2S1 ROBIN AND E1S1 ADVENTURINE] , SHE FEELS SO FUKING GOOD TO PLAY , love her
Do you spend your money to get their eidolons?
Acheron still missing 2 powerful support (only JQ)and yet FEIXIAO already got all powerful limited 5" support =FART😂
I expect in 3.0+ we got new sustain summoner with debuff kit _-not dot sustain-_
Feixiao's Fua team's support only Robin tho.
Feixiao best hypercarry teams are Robin, Jiaqiu and Sparkle (next will be Sunday)
What’s with these guys. She already has her full team, excluding a sustain at best.
@flatdefgod2960 tbh her best 0 cycle team Is Robin bronya March especially for e2 fei,Can we stop the cap that acheron doesn't have a full team?like FR you have aven that can use trend and his ult for proc stacks or even his LC plus his ult for free stacks on acheron,you have jiaoqui that literally gives her ult on every time She has her turn plus she can literally scam bronya/Sparkle/Robin/ruan mei on their achetype at e2 so her team Is done.Not to mention if they create another nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui and It would also make her e2 useless,while in fei case even at e0 if they release an upgrade of topaz or any other follow up Attack sub Dps/buffer or even support not only her e0 will be stronger but also her e2 would be even more broken.The fact that acheron e6 needs jiaoqui to compete against fei with no Robin says a lot,she's baal 2.0 people over invested on her thinking that she was op cause on release she was shilled asf and now they have to cope about It.
Unfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
@@kingsimba9513 cause she requires Nihility. If you want abandon Acheron you have to demolish Nihility characters which is quite different than leaving alone a few characters
I just cant with all the people taking this showcase seriously in some replies 😭
Im here hoping for every single new meta dps downfall. Midcheron finally fell off and now im waiting for Feifraud to fall off.
Lol, every dps will fall off, in a year Feixiao and Acheron probably will stay in 1.5 Tier :D
So we aint gonna talk about the s5-s1 discrepancy 🤔🤔
Smh so that means e6 acheron is worse than my e2 firefly? how disappointing fr fr
Firefly Xd
If Fraudfly was e6, Acheron e6 still clears
Firefly is worse than Rappa even lul
Investment-wise, you are clearly saying one is better than the other.
Feel bad for the Midcheron pullers
FEIXIAO'S AN UNC
robin also buffs topaz's damage so it's clear
jq not having a lc was painful to watch
I'm fairly certain aventurine would change fk all lol.
At most ur getting 2 FuA from em (if that even) and 1 ult and while that's a solid dmg boost it ain't allat without robin.
And if u run robin that's just FART and at that point it's a 2 v 4 And even e6 acheron suddenly becomes the underdog just like everyone else that isn't FF (or rappa once Fugue comes out).
Probably gallagher would've been more reasonable. bailu unironically did absolutely FK ALL to acheron while atleast giving fei sum stacks for just attacking which isn't certainly nothing. A gallagher would have been more consistent since he benefits both units pretty much equally and unlike aventurine there no RnG at all with em.
I expected atleast one run with each unit's BIS against 2nd half for memes but maybe that's TOO acheron favoured as 3 out of the 4 memebers on her team including herself can control TVs easily where as Feixiao would need a galla or linghsa otherwise it's a bit scuffed.
If this shows anything it's that feixiao needs robin way more...no surprises there.
i deadass thought this was a video that I just hadnt watched yet until I saw 11 likes 4 minutes ago
E2 Feixiao is so much better against most bosses it's not even funny. The only reason it was "close" with Robin is because his Feixiao was too slow so he had to waste an ult
Best harmony for acheron E2 is Sparkle with 160 SPD, DDD eagle and vonq not Robin
Now it is gonna be Sunday
if they didnt nerf jiaoqiu and remove his heal then it will be another situation
Why heal when Acheron hits 2mil on aoe bosses?
this is a tourist showcase
Feixaio may be meta but Acheron is gonna carry me till 4.0 and that wont change despite the powercreep lmao
Bro really compared E6 Acheron and E2 Feixiao to a Svarog,like we know who is gonna win 💀
I love acheron copers. Yeah, this e6 character isnt winning against an e2 dps because she is missing 1 support.
Some people don't understand that Hoyo will make new dps's better than the old one. My point is that this is Support rail
No no no dude she's missing a nihility healer it's not cope a E6S5 character can't compete with a E2S1 character because they're missing a nihility healer
Lmao this comment section is better than the Gacha revenue ones
The real chad here is Robin
Hair E6
Why no one did 0 cycle dot team
e2s1 acheron with e2s0 sparkle e1s0 fuxuan and e0s1 jiaoqui 0 cycle both side moc 12 first try
А теперь хорошенько подумайте о количестве вложений в такую команду,когда вместо этого можно было собрать аж 2 новых команды 😂
Nah. If that's a debuffer sustain instead of bailu, Acheron would do better.
truly a midcherover moment
Wouldn’t it make more sense to fight an enemy that is not weak to lightning/wind considering E6 acheron is more Res Pen so fighting that is already weak to lightning lowers the value of that? And also considering that both are generally good even against non-element weak enemies
It's pretty simple, you take any scenario where it's not a 1-2 enemies, wind weak boss, and E6 Acheron wins easily. Different element? Acheron wins. AOE? Acheron wins. Can't use Robin? Acheron wins.
Feixiao is a lot _less_ situational than the old FUA comps and can buldoze a lot of content, but she's a lot more situational than people want to admit. Before Feixiao came out, barely any wind weaknesses. Feixiao came out, and whoops! Suddenly one side has Kafka, Hoolay, Svarog, then Svarog again... 4 in a row, how odd! Considering that the _last_ wind weakness before that was 5 entire MOCs before!
So we're gonna add more advantage to someone who already has 8 cost advantages to make them look good, got it.
@@xMomoeelike the point of E6 Acheron is that she does not care about enemy weaknesses
FEIXIAO 101% CRIT RATE WHAT
HAIL Bailu
Why u give acheron lightning damage boost she don't need it she need attack per
E6S5 Acheron = E2S1 Feixiao because 0C is overrated-
:REALLYCAUGHT:
E6 acheron had another full rotation and can do the same in aoe.
Bailu is star in this video
Crazy how Fei Xiao is still almost getting a 0 cycle when you take away Robin, while Acheron gets shot and left in a ditch if JQ gets pulled out.
Wouldn't taking away JQ be the sameas taking away topaz not robin?
Bro Fei already has her perfekt Team Acheron only has Jiao for now
@ nah, JQ is the ‘essential’ support in an Acheron comp, similar to how Robin is the ‘essential’ support in a Fei Xiao comp
@@maxsw3llzeaNo. You have to look at it in terms of which unit provides the most to their respective comps. For Feixiao it's Robin, and for Acheron it's JQ.
@poin8456 ahhh so Fei dosent need aven or topaz to be at the top i got u man, Acheron only has 1 Fei already has the perfekt Team so lets wait for Like a Tank for Acheron
Bro mr pokke I tried Robin and both times I lost sry
How is RM better then sparkle in Hypercarry teams😅
Sparkle did better For Acheron that RM and Robin
@claudiowiseman8488 I'm talking about feixiao
@@suzain_769 nah i get you but im saying that she did better for acheron so is not in every hypercarry team
hunt units are just built different
wtf is this? this is Baliu show case i got lied too
Its Acherover
E6S5 BAILU WOW
Feixio seems stronger in this MOC and also has full 5 star team catered to her while Acheron does not.
"Feixiao seems stronger in this MOC" insane because the enemy line-ups are Acheron favoured (both lightning weak and no chunky ST boss like Argenti, Aventurine, or Hoolay). I mean, this MOC was on her banner after all lol.
The problem with Acheron is she can't make use of other powerful harmony support.
@@kingsimba9513 I don't think its insane, enemies are also only two enemies with also wind weakness. If you run the best teams for the DPSs I do believe Feixiao will do better. It can also be harder to determine with this showcase due to eidolon discrepancy between DPS. The real interesting showcase will be next week with Sunday, Robin and Jingyuan.
@@kokoro212 Yeah, but we don't know if what far future Acheron will get another support or a healer that applies depuffs consistently.
@@eherden2169 Nihility with a debuff like " if enemies with this debuff being attacked, the attacker will restore their HP with x% amount of the dmg dealt"
seems good enough tho.
Alongside other dmg increase debuff effect.
Bailu showcase
L gameplay lmfao. Bro legit don't know how to use an e6 character 💀. Why even use atk boots when your acheron is overkilling by that much? Also, does he not know how to accumulate acheron's stacks efficiently?? This video is literally for clout.
Fraudcheron never fails to disappoint. Truly a standard banner unit.
If Acheron is standard Banner unit - then I am scared to imagine who are JL , Dang, and others :D
@@skrypnykk.770 T0 units, unlike Flopcheron.
Not really surprising
Bailu carry.
Dot cheron is far better,screw jq
now I want to build my bailu xD (as if I have lots of resources)
Check
Midcheron washed 🥱
Am i the only one who think feixiao is below average regarding her beauty ?
prob yea
This showcase aint it...
Acheron sucks
She is still second best dps in game, so everybody except Feixiao suck? Interesting
@skrypnykk.770 i don't think at e0s0 she is the second dps in the game