The anti-racist town in the American South, explained

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  • @HoneyG117
    @HoneyG117 Год назад +440

    I'm from Soul City. I'm extremely happy to see this story being shared. I played at the pool and the tennis courts. I knew Floyd's children and they had a summer program for kids that was like a summer camp where we did activities and they taught us this history. One of my aunts worked at HealthCo and my mom served in the Soul City Fire department. Even though the vision didn't fully come to pass, it still made an impact on the community. My grandparents, other family members , and people I knew in my community were in the PCB protests. A lot of the community meetings about the PCB protests were held at my church, Coley Springs Baptist Church. It was a topic that was taught in high school and my class did a research project on it. I ended up interviewing people I knew all my life.

    • @prettyqueen573
      @prettyqueen573 Год назад +4

      That's so incredible! Have there been discussions to resume the project to develop soup city to its full vision?

    • @binkdawg9436
      @binkdawg9436 Год назад +11

      It can still be built! Ill move there

    • @kaymorrice8141
      @kaymorrice8141 11 месяцев назад +1

      Wow!!

    • @broaj1453
      @broaj1453 11 месяцев назад +2

      Amazing history!!! Thank you for sharing. As a chemist, doctoral student, this really intrigued me to learn about the dangers of PCBs, polychlorinated biphenyls.

    • @michele3135
      @michele3135 8 месяцев назад +1

      Hey! I'm doing a research on the PCB Protest of 1982, is there any way I can contact you?

  • @juiceman_3
    @juiceman_3 Год назад +1790

    Putting a prison where the city was supposed to be is a racist slap in the face smh

    • @spark556
      @spark556 Год назад +8

      What

    • @modvavet
      @modvavet Год назад +73

      Absolutely. It struck me that way as well.

    • @elbinalejandrofelizgonzale1742
      @elbinalejandrofelizgonzale1742 Год назад +100

      it was absolutely on purpose, I have no doubts

    • @KNNYD
      @KNNYD Год назад

      Blaming “the system” helps no one arm chair advocate. What are you doing to change lives to reduce young single mothers, illiteracy, increase public education funding etc to reduce root factors for higher crime rates? Simpletons need a classic “bad guy” but it’s more complex than that.

    • @computasaysnoo1
      @computasaysnoo1 Год назад +24

      That part made my jaw drop. Of all things.. that?

  • @residentevil4life
    @residentevil4life Год назад +110

    These kinds of situations always make me so mad since the city did not fail because of leadership's incompetence but rather because a racist stopped them from even having a chance to grow and probably patted themselves on the back by telling everyone that this failure is what happens when Black people try to thrive.

  • @ThePiachu
    @ThePiachu Год назад +270

    Segregationists: "People of different races should not mix!"
    *A black person builds a city for black people*
    Segregationists: "Not like that!"

    • @revinhatol
      @revinhatol Год назад +7

      😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅

    • @ebonyeyes7023
      @ebonyeyes7023 11 месяцев назад

      Segregationist racists never want to see our positive progression. If we had our own, they know we'd do extremely well, and they never want us to do better than them. Most importantly, they don't want us to build an economy they can't financially benefit from.

    • @bunnydimples1283
      @bunnydimples1283 11 месяцев назад +8

      Right on

    • @marylynnnguyen2809
      @marylynnnguyen2809 11 месяцев назад +2

      8:08

    • @kaymorrice8141
      @kaymorrice8141 11 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂

  • @GarethWareth
    @GarethWareth Год назад +1321

    The fact they've built a prison work complex there is such a slap in the face. What is, in one way, kind of like modern slavery. Literally the worst thing you could have built there.

    • @Mr_Crocodile_56
      @Mr_Crocodile_56 Год назад +1

      I mean it was built by a capitalist of course they were going to end up relying on the prison industrial complex.

    • @danielb.1567
      @danielb.1567 Год назад +9

      lollll

    • @8is
      @8is Год назад +20

      Literally anything useful would've been better than just nothing.

    • @user-hs7ry4nx7l
      @user-hs7ry4nx7l Год назад

      @@8is Prisons are less than useful. Prisons are a net negative and a detrimental social instution.
      You have plenty of empty space in your head and nobody built a prison in there yet.

    • @DrSevTalksMoney
      @DrSevTalksMoney Год назад +65

      I'm sure it was intentional. 😢

  • @roster092
    @roster092 Год назад +325

    I’m glad this story is being shared! Both my Grandfather and Grandmother were good friends of Floyd and helped with the project. Within the last 3-4 years my grandma has shared more stories about soul city and how the plan was botched. Every time I visit her I drive by what was supposed to be soul city and wonder what it could have been.

    • @FLPhotoCatcher
      @FLPhotoCatcher Год назад +3

      It's sad that HUD under the Carter admin pulled it's support of Soul City.

    • @shannonswift2233
      @shannonswift2233 Год назад

      @@FLPhotoCatcher Funny you mention this on his birthday lol - I doubt Carter would've done it due to race or optics. Sad all around but we have come so far.

    • @wonderfulworldofmarkets9033
      @wonderfulworldofmarkets9033 Год назад

      This video doesn't really cover it, but if you have spoken to your grandparents I'd love to know the answer: what's the difference between Soul City and Crypto Cities or China's Ghost Cities? Don't cities exist because they are economically viable? Putting a random city in a remote area won't guarantee anything. That's why so many of these projects fail without racism.

    • @jonroman9572
      @jonroman9572 Год назад

      Like many things today. Claiming to be "anti" is the opposite. Would a White family be allowed to live there if they wanted? If not, wouldn't that violate the civil rights act, and why would they be denied...that would be...racist right.

  • @craigslistreplies3485
    @craigslistreplies3485 Год назад +342

    I hope someone picks up where the family left off.
    With the growing anti-Black sentiment AND the increase of remote work, I think Soul City could make a resurgence.

    • @amoghavarshanripatunga
      @amoghavarshanripatunga Год назад

      Yes! Sure
      Is anyone stopping people from going and building their own utopia tho???
      Why isn't anyone doing it lol

    • @secularsekai8910
      @secularsekai8910 Год назад +15

      Agreed. And the only other alternative I’ve seen attempted so far is Freedom, GA, which has been…controversial.
      Still exists, but I’ve heard some negative reviews.

    • @skyfeelan
      @skyfeelan Год назад +13

      if I were to somehow become rich (and have superpower, to ward off any assassin), this will be one of the project that I want to invest in (after I successfully built a walkable city in my own country, Indonesia)

    • @jonroman9572
      @jonroman9572 Год назад

      @@secularsekai8910 A few busloads of Biden's migrants should be offloaded there and in similar places. Trying to make race exclusive enclaves is racist whether you want to admit it or not.

    • @arketasample6831
      @arketasample6831 Год назад +2

      I totally agree, what could we do now ??????

  • @_robustus_
    @_robustus_ Год назад +369

    In the 80’s I was young and becoming politically conscious and there would be talk of racism. You would hear Jesse Helms’ name dropped but I never knew specifically the why and how of his racist activities. Thank you.

  • @LarryLoveSosa69
    @LarryLoveSosa69 Год назад +174

    This seems to be a recurring theme with segregation. I'm south-african and during the 50s something similar happened with rise of Sophia Town (which was eventually destroyed and sabotaged by the government)

    • @cfoster6804
      @cfoster6804 Год назад +11

      It's pretty much a worldwide occurrence with black people.

    • @MugroofAmeen
      @MugroofAmeen Год назад +11

      @@cfoster6804 *Worldwide occurence with a racist country

    • @freethinkinmelanin6795
      @freethinkinmelanin6795 Год назад +3

      Yea wypipo thought South Africa belonged to them. The entitlement really disturbs me.

    • @ZachBobBob
      @ZachBobBob 11 месяцев назад +4

      Reminds me of what happened in Tulsa too, when 'black wall street' was raided and destroyed by white supremacists.

    • @FaceFcuk
      @FaceFcuk 11 месяцев назад

      ​@freethinkinmelanin6795 now blacks are killing white farmers in racist attacks every week in South Africa, the racism never stopped it just switched sides FACTS.

  • @Francesco6961
    @Francesco6961 Год назад +38

    Great story. Thank you. Jesse Helms was an embarrassment to NC, to humanity, and to decency.

  • @emilynelson5985
    @emilynelson5985 Год назад +334

    I love how we actively avoid teaching people about any attempt at Utopia that wasn’t led by Puritans or Mormons. Maybe a couple sentences to go with that illustration of the Shakers dancing weird but that’s usually about it.

    • @donutchan8114
      @donutchan8114 Год назад +22

      Dont forget quakers and Mennonites. Its so tragic that just because they weren't white they weren't allowed to create a thriving community.
      And now I'm sad again.

    • @zzzyyyxxx
      @zzzyyyxxx Год назад +11

      Probably because none of them worked. There's a reason that Utopia is a fictitious concept.

    • @emilynelson5985
      @emilynelson5985 Год назад +6

      @@zzzyyyxxx The ladies at Sabbath Day Lake might disagree.

    • @sigmarizzlerking
      @sigmarizzlerking Год назад +8

      utopia is a terrible idea, and should not be compared to building nice and improved communities.

    • @squibbelsmcjohnson
      @squibbelsmcjohnson 10 месяцев назад +1

      Utopia DOESN'T EXIST. Never will

  • @jamesrose2312
    @jamesrose2312 Год назад +395

    Classic. Systemic. Racism. This is what needs to be taught in the schools in republican states so we can all understand the impacts of powerful individuals with insidious motives and beliefs.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Год назад +16

      Oh I wish slavery was banned when America was founded.
      So we couldn't have to deal with these.

    • @mstreemoon8117
      @mstreemoon8117 Год назад +19

      I live in north carolina and have NEVER heard about this ... and I am also a lover of real history..🤯how I have not learned of this before!?

    • @birdrocket
      @birdrocket Год назад +19

      @@blazer9547Slavery has been “banned” for most of the time since the founding of the US, and we still have the lasting effects of systemic racism.
      Slavery absolutely should have been abolished when the country was founded (and never should have happened in the first place), but the impacts of slavery wouldn’t have just gone away on their own, we need to confront it head on and make concrete actions to reverse its course.

    • @PMickeyDee
      @PMickeyDee Год назад +17

      ​@@mstreemoon8117it's a product of the educations we received in the south. The daughters of the confederacy & many other conservative groups have had massive influence on what history is taught and how. I'm not from North Carolina, I'm from Louisiana and a massive history nerd and I'm constantly being confronted with the difficult history "polite" society has deemed unnecessary or uncouth to teach & discuss. One surprisingly good resource I've found is LPB (the Louisiana branch of PBS) idk if north Carolinas PBS is anything like ours but LPB has troves of documentaries on Louisiana history, some of it is the fluffy polite history, but they also have the hard stuff too.

    • @mstreemoon8117
      @mstreemoon8117 Год назад +9

      @@PMickeyDee yes nc pbs is the best source of documentaries for real history. And you're exactly right on all points! But nothing surprises me w how far this state (let alone country) will go to bury the truth. It's disgusting and downright sad that we're still going through this.

  • @naryrunestone9388
    @naryrunestone9388 Год назад +86

    It’s so interesting to watch documentaries like this. They’re incredibly informative and they hit so close to home. I do some video editing on the side and I can say that I thoroughly enjoy and love watching the way you animate and compile things. Even further, the fact this video touches on a racism, urban planning, government funding, and the history and politics of the 1980s and 1990s is just…. amazing. Phenomenal work.

  • @NIN10DOXD
    @NIN10DOXD Год назад +76

    I grew up down the road from Soul City on the edge of Vance and Warren Counties just north of Henderson and I jumped out of my skin when I saw this video in my feed. Thank you so much for covering this.

    • @warewellnessco
      @warewellnessco Год назад +7

      Do you know the Jones, Perez, bullocks or Mosleys? then that’s my family 😁 my mom wen to warren high. I told her about this video and she jumped out her skin and said she remembered in school they were working on that.

    • @HoneyG117
      @HoneyG117 Год назад

      The Jones are my family! I'm sharing this with my mom and I know she'll be shocked to see this video. @@warewellnessco

    • @michele3135
      @michele3135 8 месяцев назад

      @@warewellnessco Hi! I'm doing a research on the 1982 PCB Protest, is there any way I can contact you? These namese are coming up on my research and would be amazing to interview you!

  • @UNOUMI1
    @UNOUMI1 Год назад +206

    (Please stop replying)*
    Living in North Carolina, my whole life and being well rounded with many historical events I’ve never heard of this It’s an absolute tragedy that this does not have light shown on it, or is not taught in the grade school

    • @froglifes6829
      @froglifes6829 Год назад +3

      why would this useless information be taught in grade school?

    • @danilapolesciuk4316
      @danilapolesciuk4316 Год назад +3

      Why the hell would this be taught in schools?

    • @UNOUMI1
      @UNOUMI1 Год назад +34

      @@froglifes6829 because in the south, civil rights and African-American history are heavily taught. This is a modern historical event that doesn’t have light shine on it compared to the colonial upbringing like Roanoke Island.

    • @UNOUMI1
      @UNOUMI1 Год назад +16

      @@danilapolesciuk4316 because in the south, civil rights and African-American history are heavily taught. This is a modern historical event that doesn’t have light shine on it compared to the colonial upbringing like Roanoke Island.

    • @froglifes6829
      @froglifes6829 Год назад

      @@UNOUMI1 Its a modern irrelevant historical event that has no impact on the world. It is useless teaching such nonsense.

  • @Michaeltires
    @Michaeltires Год назад +81

    Man. Just hearing this and all the progress we try to make as a people. It’s amazing how racism can just stop it so easily in it’s tracks. Sadly, might makes right

    • @snookycooky
      @snookycooky Год назад +3

      Luckily, the south is the least racist part of the US. If you feel any differently, you've been lied to.

  • @Magmafire
    @Magmafire Год назад +120

    Imagine if the state supported the city. Today it could have been one of the most prosperous cities in America.

  • @irkhanbasc
    @irkhanbasc Год назад +29

    I think that there's still hope for this place. For example, you could possibly promote it as a retirement destination, or as a quiet, peaceful, and affordable work-from-home location.

    • @arketasample6831
      @arketasample6831 Год назад +4

      Yes or promote it as a new development of homes and new entrepreneurs….. let’s talk people …

  • @flame-sky7148
    @flame-sky7148 Год назад +65

    As time goes on, more is revealed. These people were playing politics and getting things done. Bobby's killed and Watergate occurs and those obstacles were too much along with Helms. They made the proper attempt so thank you founders of Soul City. And thanks Vox

  • @justinscales161
    @justinscales161 Год назад +10

    My grandfather, Otis Thorpe, also worked with Richard Nixon on public policy for minorities. He stayed in Atlanta but knew and worked with all the same people as this man. He, coincidentally, also passed in 1991. I wonder of the connections he made in his lifetime. Thank you for sharing this.

  • @atonmartell2813
    @atonmartell2813 Год назад +11

    That's why I thank God for the internet because you don't have to listen to the news and newspaper lying to you, but sadly Soul City was the victim of those lies

  • @loriannrichardson7644
    @loriannrichardson7644 Год назад +13

    My family owns land in N.C. and we've been considering doing something like this again. My ancestors did it years ago, but the young people left and the older people are almost all gone.

  • @brandy3573
    @brandy3573 Год назад +8

    I have lived in North Carolina for 39 of my 40 years and have never heard of Soul City! Thank you for this informative piece on suppressed history. I hope this inspires someone to try again, even though this city never became its true vision, maybe it could be re-envisioned and brought to fruition today...

  • @kingace6186
    @kingace6186 Год назад +13

    The Missing Chapter has slowly become my favorite Vox series.

  • @patrickallen1760
    @patrickallen1760 Год назад +13

    I remember driving past this place when I was a kid. My aunt was explaining to me what it was. It was down the road from where my family is from, a town called Wise NC

  • @krishna_2019
    @krishna_2019 Год назад +8

    Bigotry, ignorance, and hate will always hinder progress. It's a shame what happened to Soul City.

  • @Missy-Missy1111
    @Missy-Missy1111 Год назад +13

    Sady, NC still has some representatives like Helms in it's State legislature. The Republicans in Raleigh gerrymandered NC so that it's no longer a "Purple" state. It's a " Red" state now. For at least the next decade, NC will be controlled by mostly middle-aged & old white men. For me I feel there are very few representatives in Raleigh who look out for my interests.

  • @sergio.ssantos
    @sergio.ssantos Год назад +7

    Wow, just watched it without looking into the comments and I was caught off guard with the Soultech plot-twist. Devastating and so disrespectful to their original intention. Great piece, never knew about it.

  • @sparkofgenius3372
    @sparkofgenius3372 Год назад +9

    THANK YOU! GREAT JOB!! I will Donate to your channel. We as BLACK AMERICANS must move to SOUL CITY. Let's FIGHT RACISM, with UNITY.

  • @Danielle_1234
    @Danielle_1234 Год назад +42

    This video has a bunch of interesting topics intertwined. I'm particularly fascinated with what makes a "magnet" when it comes to towns, which is required to build a successful town:
    The SF/Bay Area is a thriving metropolis today because of one key factor: Stanford. The university created programs to give funding to entrepreneurs to start businesses there, which started Silicon Valley. Before that there wasn't much there, mostly crops, orange groves and what not.
    Another magnet is retirement towns. In the US most manufactured towns that have succeeded are retirement towns. They have weather great for arthritis, social events, and most of all cheap housing and cheap land.
    Another magnet is company towns. Companies will buy cheap rural land, build a factory, build housing lots, and sell that property for a markup. By making a town they somewhat force employees to go there and buy property there from the company, making the business a lot of money. After 20-30 years once all of the profits dry up, they abandon the factor and abandon the town. This isn't great but it is a type of magnet. Furthermore, no company was going to come to Soul City when they could instead create a company town on the cheap.
    Another magnet is resort towns. Aspin, CO or Miami, FL. Anywhere with good nature activities and decent weather for those activities can become a resort town.
    The easiest kind of magnets, retirement towns and resort towns, is in both situations it would be white people moving there with black people working as nurses, retail, or black people selling skis or surf boards of what have you. It doesn't meet the vision of the original plan having black people servicing white people.
    The only option I know of is a university town, but the guy who envisioned this town was the first black person to graduate at the university he went to. Black people back then didn't go to college, so it wasn't an magnet then. Furthermore, to be a successful magnet it has to be an Ivy school or something close to it, which has a high bar. Even today it's not very black.
    And then there was racism on top of it. Salt on a wound. It's really sad to hear about.

    • @truettadevil
      @truettadevil Год назад

      Thanks for this insight. The mostly Black town I live in just built a bunch of warehouses. I was thinking of what company could come to town and hire locally so the dying town could thrive and people could walk to work. I haven't been able to think of any so far...

    • @nailahdawkins
      @nailahdawkins Год назад +2

      Black have *been*, going to universities. How do you think HBCU's got started? HBCU = historically Black universities and colleges.
      Soul City 🏙️🌆 can definitely be revived. It does need community, private-public partnerships, and a solid series of plans however.

  • @DPowered2
    @DPowered2 Год назад +65

    video just got posted why are there so many racist already in the comments. Do you guys just actively follow vox waiting for videos like this.

    • @russkof619elite3
      @russkof619elite3 Год назад +13

      Yes 😂

    • @Retr0_Grouchy
      @Retr0_Grouchy Год назад +23

      Seems to be bots mostly. Then again, reading comments during the Women's World Cup proved that there are are plenty of mouth-breathers on this platform.

    • @DPowered2
      @DPowered2 Год назад +7

      @@Retr0_Grouchy its wired following something just to not watch the video and post racist crap. You can tell because so many just hook onto the world Black and Utopia

    • @african8855
      @african8855 Год назад +9

      I think they are just terminaly online and have a lot of frustration and hate. I try to show compasion to them and then stay away from their negativity.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Год назад

      ​@@african8855most hate comments I've seen in social media are from black people.
      Ive just been called a cave beast a while ago.

  • @Bobbytheman98
    @Bobbytheman98 Год назад +38

    Yah when they talk about “Life ain’t fair” or “if you wanna be rich, get rich.” All that American bs. My family’s land was taken and replaced with million dollar homes over time in Texas. Grandfather was trying to get it back and it never progressed. All this was planned. Class and race.

  • @v.ra.
    @v.ra. Год назад +18

    This series is very appreciated. Capitalism will never help the underdog. No matter how much one tries to play the game. It's a system utterly dependant on the existence of an underclass. Stay strong, stay together, stay against your oppressor. Greetings from Central Europe.

    • @AgoristsRising
      @AgoristsRising 7 месяцев назад

      Soul City could and should never be considered a capitalist town when it sought political funding 4:45 to get it built. Real capitalism is the free market, and government intervention is antithetical to free market principles. 🍎

  • @Pou1gie1
    @Pou1gie1 Год назад +6

    The takeaway from this is that Blk ppl need to have privately funded projects that are funded primarily by like-minded Blk ppl. I have heard this happen many times all the same way. If you are government funded, they have direct access to cutting off your projects. Blk tax payers are forced to pay for projects assisting other groups of ppl (exp. 4 billion annually going to Israel, etc.), but their tax dollars are never allowed to go to them.

  • @JoeGatz1
    @JoeGatz1 Год назад +197

    I actually have a problem with the use of the term 'utopia' and it's something that I have always taken issue with when it comes to historical events involving Black Americans.
    Black Americans are people. People are not infallible. Saying that a utopia would have been created if not for the intervention of the federal government or White supremacists, assumes that Black Americans have some incredible insight into human behavior that no other racial group possess. This is a theme that Vox does a lot with people of color, whether it's this video or assuming that prior to European contact indigenous people lived in complete harmony.
    I appreciate the video, but Vox puts people of color onto a weird pedestal sometimes.

    • @ramr7051
      @ramr7051 Год назад +35

      Yeah I've seen this in the past as well. Nobody knows how things would've turned out in a more favourable scenario; utopias are just that, unattainable.

    • @cathoderayguns
      @cathoderayguns Год назад +30

      ​@@ramr7051yeah when they revealed that he was a Black capitalist that kinda gave the game away. He still wanted people to be exploited.

    • @adorablegodzilla5628
      @adorablegodzilla5628 Год назад +38

      The whole video is weirdly biased. "Just because Nixon did something good, doesn't mean he wasn't an evil, evil Republican. He wanted votes." Huh, just like all politicians?

    • @user-hs7ry4nx7l
      @user-hs7ry4nx7l Год назад +19

      Utopia is a goal, not a destination.

    • @TheZchristina97
      @TheZchristina97 Год назад

      Agree with you 1000%. It's surprisingly common among white liberals. They seem to think that making Black people or other POC appear "superhuman" is doing us a favor, but it's actually harmful.

  • @welldonejustin
    @welldonejustin Год назад +10

    Wow, I grew up about twenty minutes from here. Played basketball in Soul City occasionally. Completely unaware of the history.
    Thank you.

  • @TheTrainmobile
    @TheTrainmobile Год назад +8

    It's like a microcosm of all of the lessons learned in civil rights activism over the past 150 years.

  • @G33KST4R
    @G33KST4R Год назад +52

    Soul Tech One becoming a poison work complex is so disheartening. God that's such a depressing outcome.

  • @MarkCerbo
    @MarkCerbo Год назад +7

    This place could still be one of the future cities since migration has been at an all-time high. It just needs the right timing for support other than the US government. There will be interested parties out there who would revive it.

  • @thebestcentaur
    @thebestcentaur Год назад +128

    Amazing. This was supposed to become kind of like what places like PG County and Uniondale became. This is the history I like to see, but others, for one reason or another, would prefer go unnoticed

    • @AWS-Certified
      @AWS-Certified Год назад +2

      Are you talking about Uniondale,Long Island

    • @thebestcentaur
      @thebestcentaur Год назад +2

      @@AWS-Certified yeah...at least until recently, going off some online articles🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @vincem2759
      @vincem2759 Год назад +1

      Please stop with this PG county myth. PG county is beyond a mess, propped up by those who have government jobs.

    • @thebestcentaur
      @thebestcentaur Год назад +5

      @@vincem2759 and you know this how? Do you have family that lives there? I do. Successful attorney cousin with her architect bf, surrounded by people of color who have done just as well. There are SOME parts that are indeed terrible, such as the schools, but if there is lived and observable truth, calling something someone else has seen and verified a myth feels pretty disingenuous at best

    • @vincem2759
      @vincem2759 Год назад

      @@thebestcentaur Been here over 10 years. I know. North PG county has been in perpetual construction for years.
      Let's not forget about the MILE long pot hole the governor had to address on BW parkway. My worst mistake wa smoving back. Trust me i'm ready to leave.

  • @HebaruSan
    @HebaruSan Год назад +5

    It would have to be easier to get some big businesses interested nowadays. A company could site a new campus there to show their commitment to certain values. But they'd probably transfer a lot of existing staff there rather than hiring locally, which raises the question of what would actually be different long-term. What would actually stop all the standard problems of de facto segregation from coming back?

  • @nicocorbo4153
    @nicocorbo4153 Год назад +13

    amazing video. as someone who is interested in the planning profession, I heard of soul city before but this is the most comprehensive video on the town i've seen thusfar. great work!!

  • @dennistmennace
    @dennistmennace Год назад +107

    I appreciate this video. I’ve never heard of this. Soul City should be in history books just like Black Wall Street.

    • @danielb.1567
      @danielb.1567 Год назад +3

      lolllllllll

    • @larrythehedgehog
      @larrythehedgehog Год назад +4

      Black wall street isn't in any history books. For a *certain* reason.

    • @CortexNewsService
      @CortexNewsService Год назад +2

      ​@@larrythehedgehogcan't imagine why. (And I am being sarcastic)

    • @waynesworld227
      @waynesworld227 Год назад +2

      Lmao what a joke

    • @armadachamp
      @armadachamp Год назад +6

      I grew up in eastern NC and didn't know about this or the Wilmington insurrection to overthrow the Black city government until Vox made videos about it. Great job of teaching our history, NC schools.

  • @latyshal.2286
    @latyshal.2286 Год назад +8

    I never knew about Soul City. Thank you for sharing this hidden history.

  • @tonys.1946
    @tonys.1946 Год назад +4

    whoever edited this needs to pull down the music. I'm struggling to hear the voices.

  • @TeetheSingingBee
    @TeetheSingingBee 11 месяцев назад +1

    My mentor is the daughter of Floyd McKissick - Dr. Charmaine McKissick-Melton (aka Dr. Mac) was the most impactful professor I had at NC Central University. She still lives in Soul City too.

  • @abraxasjinx5207
    @abraxasjinx5207 8 месяцев назад +1

    I have lived in NC most of my life, about an hour from here, and I've never heard of this before.
    Jesse Helms was such a detriment to our state, and his legacy goes on today.

  • @Phatxual
    @Phatxual Год назад +12

    This simultaneously provides hope for some and is very saddening for others, I'm sure. Even just the mentality of the people who sought out a place like this, makes this place, Soul City, worth more than anyone will ever know

  • @drewski-qu3co
    @drewski-qu3co Год назад +4

    Of course Nixon was in favour of Soul City...to him it would look like black people self segregating themselves.

    • @asaseya1819
      @asaseya1819 Год назад

      Black people are already segregated.

  • @tomsko863
    @tomsko863 Год назад +8

    12:30 - "When would you hear of a senator fighting to stop the flow of funds into their states or districts"
    This guy must have been asleep or the last 15 years. Conservative lawmakers do this ALL the time now:
    1) When the ACA started, the Federal Government covered 90% if states would pick up the 10%. Many Red states said no.
    2) COVID-19 funds for testing, schools, unemployment, hospitals, housing, etc...
    3) The "Inflation Reduction Act" and the "Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act": New investment to all states, 60% of which has gone to red states (so far) which Republicans fiercely fought against.
    I know I'm missing many more, but these are the most obvious, most blatant, and most documented examples.

    • @danielzhang1916
      @danielzhang1916 Год назад +1

      and Republican lawmakers tried to take credit for #3 after voting against it, they have no shame at all

  • @bw2020
    @bw2020 Год назад +22

    I looked this up. The town failed because it’s in the middle of nowhere. Usually utopian cities of the future don’t just pop up way out in the sticks…they are usually near ports for a reason.

    • @danielzhang1916
      @danielzhang1916 Год назад +2

      yeah it's an hour away from Raleigh, I doubt it would have been very successful even with funding

  • @jgagnier
    @jgagnier Год назад +3

    I don’t want to wholesale defend Nixon, but to dismiss liberal things he did as pure political calculus rather than so he can remain a villain rather than embrace his many-shades-of-grey policies seems disingenuous.
    Also, I’d love to understand how environmental policies became a left-wing issue. In the abstract, wouldn’t preserving "the natural order of things and our way of life", conserving the status quo, be more akin to conservatism than liberalism?

  • @sophiaisabelle01
    @sophiaisabelle01 Год назад +58

    Black Americans have experienced a long period of ruthless discrimination throughout history. It's no surprise they all want to make such huge changes in society.

    • @nguyenthanh-xo9ru
      @nguyenthanh-xo9ru Год назад +16

      Burnn..Loott..Murderr//

    • @DPowered2
      @DPowered2 Год назад +1

      @@nguyenthanh-xo9rui agree after so many black owned neighborhoods and areas were destroyed because white people didn't want them to prosper it made sense black people would keep trying despite how many times their lives were uprooted for no reason other than skin color

    • @NamelessONEMail
      @NamelessONEMail Год назад

      By being number 1 in crime? By a giant margin? Sure... I'm sure THAT will make people less racist. /s

    • @danielb.1567
      @danielb.1567 Год назад

      how much of it was deserved though?

    • @Moor_Fish
      @Moor_Fish Год назад +6

      @@nguyenthanh-xo9ruyou should thank Black Americans instead of running with false narratives. Based on your name, you especially should thank Black Americans.

  • @aliancemd
    @aliancemd Год назад +5

    Built from zero and still very car-centric - nowhere a single inch for people to walk

    • @danielzhang1916
      @danielzhang1916 Год назад +1

      and it's 1 hour away from Raleigh, and anything else to do

  • @SilverSlayer23
    @SilverSlayer23 Год назад +8

    They should've started by building a proper city rather than single family housing divisions. With an emphasis on the local economy. Denser buildings are cheaper to integrate infrastructure for and that infrastructure per mile would serve significantly more members of the community. Systemic racism aside, it was planned to fail by allowing itself not to see the individual value of each resident coming into town and providing space for them build new businesses, whom would drive more employment and residents, and allow the town to at least be more self sufficient. It's a black incorporated town. It was bounded to be sabotaged and targeted by domestic terrorist.

  • @CorbinEmslie
    @CorbinEmslie Год назад +14

    "We don’t think you fight fire with fire best; we think you fight fire with water best. We’re going to fight racism not with racism, but we’re going to fight with solidarity. We say we’re not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we’re going to fight it with socialism." - Fred Hampton
    If it's not anti-capitalist, it's not anti-racist.

    • @DemsW
      @DemsW Год назад +1

      Some random white dude correcting a black civil rights activist is the whitest thing I've seen.

    • @dickgoblin
      @dickgoblin Год назад

      Yes the socalist government of Tennessee will definitely treat black people like equal commardes.... being a socalist allows you to just have an easy answer to every question. Housing? Socalism. Jobs? Socalism. Racism? Socalism. The world is not so simple...

  • @caseclosed9342
    @caseclosed9342 Год назад +3

    6:28 I would point out that yes, Nixon started the war on drugs…BUT when he started it 2/3 of federal funding went to rehabilitation programs. It wasn’t until later administrations that shifted more funding to enforcement. In other words, he wanted to try to help people with addiction, not lock them up.

  • @somerandomfella
    @somerandomfella Год назад +3

    If I were African American, I would try to repopulate and revive Detroit. It's abandoned but has the basic infrastructure needed to become something great.

    • @airtale.p
      @airtale.p Год назад +1

      But it also has bad urban planning that made it abandoned.

  • @pqunit
    @pqunit Год назад +40

    Super interesting ! This is the kind of stuff I love Vox for. A sad story.. but inspiring at the same time. I really appreciated that one woman who stayed

  • @Bacopa68
    @Bacopa68 Год назад +4

    Gotta point out that The Woodlands on that map is now a major player in the Houston SMA. But the idea that first time home buyers of all races could move there is long gone. It's been a wealthy people's socialist republic for decades now. Rich folks love them some socialism.

  • @floydb.mckissickiii575
    @floydb.mckissickiii575 Год назад +9

    Thank you for this episode!

  • @spartadc
    @spartadc Год назад +2

    Hey, as a longtime viewer of Vox: Missing Chapter, I think you guys should do a piece on the Farhud

  • @tenacious1
    @tenacious1 Год назад +3

    Thank you for this story. I will donate. This was both tragic and inspiring. Great job 👍🏾

  • @INeedABlessingNow
    @INeedABlessingNow Год назад +1

    Although Soul City never reached its potential, I am glad that Mr McKissick had the vision and did all he could to bring the town to fruition. His plan may someday be the model for another community.

  • @theotherdai1556
    @theotherdai1556 8 месяцев назад

    Ranjani, thank you for excavating and producing this buried piece of history. You seem to really care about the stories you select, you are appreciated.

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Год назад +4

    the symbolism of a prison complex being built there ... jeez

  • @lupen0076
    @lupen0076 Год назад +3

    There is also a town in South Africa which is called Orania where only white Afrikaners live. The population has grow fast and it's self sufficient.

    • @iloveTrump45
      @iloveTrump45 Год назад +2

      I bet there is no crime there

    • @lupen0076
      @lupen0076 Год назад +1

      @@iloveTrump45crime is almost non existent while the rest of South Africa is surrounded by anarchy.

    • @joeljoshyjoeljoshy7823
      @joeljoshyjoeljoshy7823 Год назад +1

      It is beacuse you need to apply to live there as well as being white you have to have a clean criminal record and quite a lot of money in the first place. And we know that poverty correlates with crime soooo.@@iloveTrump45

    • @joeljoshyjoeljoshy7823
      @joeljoshyjoeljoshy7823 Год назад +1

      @@lupen0076 It is beacuse you need to apply to live there as well as being white you have to have a clean criminal record and quite a lot of money in the first place. And we know that poverty correlates with crime soooo.
      Obviously a segregated area for richer people will have less crime kind of a no-brainer.

    • @lupen0076
      @lupen0076 Год назад +1

      @@joeljoshyjoeljoshy7823 Crime is Not automatically correlatet to poverty. India has a high poverty rate but less crime than south africa.

  • @DynamicHaze
    @DynamicHaze Год назад +2

    Us black folk can rejuvenate this and make it come true.

  • @senormoll
    @senormoll Год назад +3

    3:14 Hey someone help that nice lady digitize her photo collection

  • @craigslistreplies3485
    @craigslistreplies3485 Год назад +3

    I haven't seen too many African American reporters on Vox.
    You would think this would be the one story where an African American reporter would have been utilized😒

  • @imalltheway
    @imalltheway Год назад +8

    What happened to the other cities funded by the same HUD project?

  • @sundalongpatpat
    @sundalongpatpat Год назад +2

    Government: Make it enough
    *makes it enough
    Government: Hold up

  • @JK-gu3tl
    @JK-gu3tl Год назад +3

    If its not market driven, it was doomed to fail.

    • @anita.b
      @anita.b Год назад +2

      Where's the market drive for the US Military :)
      They sure to be spending A LOT

    • @JK-gu3tl
      @JK-gu3tl Год назад +1

      @anita.b there isn't, hence the $$$waste. I always said military is socialist.

  • @fullchicken4492
    @fullchicken4492 Год назад +4

    Richard Nixon continuous to surprise me in positive ways.

  • @blueberryhill6948
    @blueberryhill6948 Год назад +3

    This was an amazing piece. Thank you

  • @rochelle1192
    @rochelle1192 Год назад +7

    I find vox video essays too shorts. Other than special series, I’d like more in depth content from time to time that does deeper interviews and follows a story.
    Basically for the scale of this company I find they have too few documentaries

  • @ZWhippie
    @ZWhippie Год назад +6

    Capitalism was why slavery was a thing and why we had a civil war. Like that's never going to stop happening as long as we have capitalism

  • @lelelum4103
    @lelelum4103 Год назад +7

    It’s so many of these stories.. but they don’t teach this stuff

    • @bw2020
      @bw2020 Год назад

      Why would this be taught?

    • @larrythehedgehog
      @larrythehedgehog Год назад +3

      ​@@bw2020you are a bot.

    • @lelelum4103
      @lelelum4103 Год назад +4

      @@bw2020 why wouldn’t it?? Have u taken a history class? We learn about other cities that were created and their history from many cultures this one should be included

    • @bw2020
      @bw2020 Год назад

      @@lelelum4103 actually you’re right, it should be taught as a case study of how you can’t take public money and build a thriving city in the middle of nowhere. There needs to be an important resource, a nearby major city, a port, and people who want to build something gradually by their own will under free market forces.

  • @BigBrotherMars
    @BigBrotherMars Год назад +2

    Anyone else so early they saw the original vid title before they changed it?

    • @smplfi9859
      @smplfi9859 Год назад

      what was it?

    • @TheBedevilers
      @TheBedevilers Год назад +1

      ​@@smplfi9859something like "how black Americans almost built a utopia"

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Год назад +18

    Utopia is a mere fantasy, impossible to build in our reality

    • @DPowered2
      @DPowered2 Год назад +3

      not literally.........

    • @nguyenthanh-xo9ru
      @nguyenthanh-xo9ru Год назад +6

      Burnn..Loott..Murderr/

    • @houseplant1016
      @houseplant1016 Год назад +1

      ​@@DPowered2It is lmao or it's a dystopia immitating an Utopia.

    • @TheFireGiver
      @TheFireGiver Год назад +2

      @@DPowered2 It may have been a very nice town, but where in history has there been a utopia?

    • @user-hs7ry4nx7l
      @user-hs7ry4nx7l Год назад +1

      Utopia is a goal, not a destination.

  • @cqholt
    @cqholt Год назад +3

    Cover the environmental racism that is occurring in Atlanta over Cop City project.

    • @froglifes6829
      @froglifes6829 Год назад

      we wuz utopiaz n sheet

    • @c0ttage
      @c0ttage Год назад +1

      stop cop city

    • @c0ttage
      @c0ttage Год назад

      defend weelaunee forest

  • @sherriethames6503
    @sherriethames6503 Год назад +5

    Jesse Helms is responsible for a great deal of rot in NC. It's difficult to believe one man could do so much damage but then look at trump. It's truly a shame that this project didn't succeed. Can you imagine the difference in the story if it had?

  • @Brownyman
    @Brownyman Год назад +4

    A black city built around free trade, education, entrepreneurship, and hard work which was destroyed by systemic racism and is now a penitentiary?
    Reminds me of Black Wall Street so sadly 😢

  • @pinkace
    @pinkace Год назад +2

    It takes a long time to build a city. You can’t force and economy out of a patch of farmland overnight.

  • @ReggieWinston
    @ReggieWinston Год назад +1

    Thank you for shedding light on this

  • @Tomthestarhartnell
    @Tomthestarhartnell Год назад +1

    I love this but feel you undermined Nixon yet again. Which is common. You should look at the dates of most of his liberal reforms, most were after his second election before Watergate. Nixon was an old school Republican, meaning he had progressive roots, although he wasn't perfect, he passed so many bills, and not all had ulterior motives. He was one of the best Republican presidents we ever had, and its a shame Watergate stained his legacy, because his positive attributes had more far reaching effects, and Watergate was just a moment in time.
    SALT I can not be understated, and he was far more liberal than LBJ (which is funny)

  • @chrislavie3325
    @chrislavie3325 Год назад +1

    @vox is it possible to invest in that city? What a wonderful project it would have been. Is it too late to reboot it ?

  • @masonm600
    @masonm600 Год назад +13

    I'm next to Warren County. This "utopia" didnt fail because of whatever yall just said. It's the middle of nowhere.
    If a big city were meant to be there, the 1000-resident town a few miles away would have become that. Most cities have a reason for being, like access to transport or resources. None of those exist in Warren.

  • @Alexander_Speaks
    @Alexander_Speaks Год назад +28

    CAPITALISM MUST HAVE AN UNDERCLASS, CAPITALISM IS NOT A VEHICLE FOR THE OPPRESSED TO RISE, how many times must we learn this lesson old man.

    • @Bliv285
      @Bliv285 Год назад +1

      I agree. feel like we should acknowledge though during this time there was still the idea that meritocracy existed and the free market was actually free and fair. Especially this was pushed on black Americans to achieve the American dream. We know this is not the case now. There is more language and understanding of what capitalism actually is and it’s intersection in white supremacy. His idea was not infallible but he did have socialist ideals wanting equality and access to medical care,recreational programs,etc. ( whether or not that was understood as socialist is unknown).

    • @X2LR8
      @X2LR8 Год назад +3

      Most people in Cuba are living in abject poverty and have very little. Communism is terrible.

    • @hectorvega621
      @hectorvega621 Год назад +5

      ​@@X2LR8Yeah how about we lift the Santions we placed on them that allowed for said Poverty?

    • @de_dustybones
      @de_dustybones Год назад

      ​@@hectorvega621SOCIALIST UTOPIAS REQUIRE CAPITALIST SUPPORT
      Sounds antithetical to what you guys keep saying socialism is.

    • @smplfi9859
      @smplfi9859 Год назад

      WE NEED THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT! 😂@@de_dustybones

  • @mickyD762
    @mickyD762 Год назад

    Finally a good Vox video. It’s been a while.

  • @johngorman6641
    @johngorman6641 Год назад +2

    Why was the planned city so low density, car oriented, and parking first?

    • @bakersbread104
      @bakersbread104 Год назад

      who builds high density housing in the middle of nowhere? and who would move to such a place? Make use of the space. Towns come first then comes cities.

    • @johngorman6641
      @johngorman6641 Год назад

      @@bakersbread104 naturally occurring towns and rural communities are still dense bc people still benefit from easy access to goods and agglomeration - low density housing communities is a creation of exurban and suburban development.

    • @johngorman6641
      @johngorman6641 Год назад

      @@bakersbread104 Warrenton NC is a rural town but its downtown is incredibly walkable and dense

    • @bakersbread104
      @bakersbread104 Год назад

      @@johngorman6641 Well then the reason is probably to attract people to the town. The homes seem more attractive than in more naturally developed towns like your example, and given that's its brand new and artificially placed it needed the extra pull to get enough of a population to sustain itself.

  • @roaming1996
    @roaming1996 Год назад +1

    Still proud of them, there’s still room for this to expand

  • @K55365
    @K55365 Год назад +2

    So this was the inspiration for Key & Peele's 'Negrotown' skit 😂

  • @Lonnielonni
    @Lonnielonni Год назад +2

    I want to know what we can do to help this town rebuild! it literally crushed me when you said that Soultech was now a prison facility building, my mothers side of the family is just like the migration story you told coming from the south specifically from Warren county to New York I want to help rebuild something that had so much potential! What can we do?

  • @EyeOfTheWatcher
    @EyeOfTheWatcher Год назад

    What I always wonder about the Soul City Project is why they decided to build a city from scratch rather than expanding and improve an existing black founded town or village in North Carolina, as that might would have stop Jesse Helms in his delay tactics and if it was near an HBCU then it could as that would serve as employer base and educating younger people.

  • @GeedyP
    @GeedyP Год назад +1

    This a great story it’s definitely racist to see North Carolina put a prison in Mr. Floyd town 😣😔

  • @Polopollo75
    @Polopollo75 Год назад +12

    3:25 "unlike the Black Panthers who embraced socialist values, McKissick embrassed capitalism"
    Then at 4:00 "sports facilities, pool, parks, daycare, bike paths" so I assume all these were supposed to be private then if we follow the logic described here? Doesn't feel really welcoming to me.
    Also I guess getting the funding from the government at 7:30 is really capitalism (versus the "dirty socialism" from earlier) 😅
    Anyway, the guy switched to the republican party then the town now has a big prison.
    I don't know what to say but it was maybe a nice dream...

  • @AlysOdyssey
    @AlysOdyssey 6 месяцев назад

    Soul city funding getting shut down by racial prejudice and now having the infrastructure that was suppose to be a second chance for the marginalized turn into a prison complex is so disturbing and on brand for America

  • @bguy1979
    @bguy1979 Год назад +2

    Amazing work!!

  • @JMD2023Capstone
    @JMD2023Capstone Год назад +2

    Ben Chavis and the Warren County PCB Protests are worthy of their own video!