I think teams have been wise for a long time. It's just the other teams have signed players to bad deals and are actively paying the price. Boras has lost a lot of leverage.
@@pumpkinocean354 nah... he hasn't acted nearly as annoying as Correa did. Correa was always talking about getting paid, going on Puerto Rican podcasts during the 2021 world series hinting he was gonna play for a east coast team "in stripes"
Players go to Boras for a reason, and they are responsible for that decision. Usually Boras wins. Sometimes he doesn’t. It’s on players to be realistic.
I've always seen that Chris Davis type of drop off for him and I think other teams have seen the same. We literally watched it less than half of a decade ago with Davis. 2015 dude was hitting 40 plus bombs by 2019 was hitting under .200 with no power. Wouldn't be surprised if this was Alonso by 2028/2029.
Exactly, history has seen a long list of power hitters fall off a cliff after 30. Add in the fact that in his contract year that was some decline. By 33 he’s an over the hill 20hr hitter who isn’t even suffice at 1B.
Lindor $34 million AAV. Better hitter than Alonso while also being a more versatile hitter while also playing some of the best defense at a premium position
I Love Pete, I want him to get paid and play care free but as a Mets fan, his value to the fanbase is probably much greater than his value to the rest of the market.
The issue with Pete and Santander is they are so one-dimensional. When they’re not hitting homers, they’re piling up negative value in every other way. Liabilities in the field and on the bases. power is the very first thing to go when physical decline begins to take its toll.
Big power hitters with low OBP decline the hardest with age, only idiot GM would give Pete anything more than 4 years at best, and even then the 4th year will probably be very ugly.
@@WalnutDictator can hit? It's too early to say that. Hitting in Korea and hitting in MLB waste 2 completely different things. I think he'll fail to prove himself.
Pete Alonso is coming off a down season and it might not have just been a down season. It might be the direction his career is headed. He's a power guy and nothing more. He's not going to age well. David Stearns knows this.
Younger means nothing. Its the production that is the problem. One or two good years are what is driving them up. You used to have players in their 30's have great years. These modern players arent good beyond a year or two of big production. Use to have to deliver for 5 years or more to get contracts like they want. Its the same for Soto. That is even crazier than Bregman or Alonso. A guy has 2 or 3 great years and he is the next Ted Williams. You see it with Trout, Bellinger and Yelich, guys who have two great years and then are average. Ted Williams had years of great hitting to be the star he was. Not just a couple of great years of high production and a couple of average ones. Everything is over hyped and padded with foolish stats that cant be truly compared because of opponents and circumstances. Two above years starting at 25 doesn't make a great player, its just the beginning of being good.
Fact is Pete Alonso wants to get paid significantly above market value, after a down season, after turning down a deal that was significantly above market value last year. Teams can get an okay slugger at 1B for peanuts because there are so many.
Alonso's numbers are even more decieving because of the way they typically happen. He has a tendancy to compile homers and RBI's in short hot spells, but then go cold for twice as long. He also has a habit of comiling RBI's in lopsided games. He profiles more like a DH. He also needs to slide down to the five or six hole.
In 1993, I don't any GM is paying big for a 31 year old who has only two seasons better than .280 avg, 30 HR, 100 RBI, and those are six years in the past. Bregman has never crossed those thresholds again. His best average since 2019 is .270, his highest home run total is 26 and RBIs is 98. Each in a different year ('21, '24 & '23 respectively). In those days, .300/30/100 was the star value. You could go lower on one of those categories if the other two were higher, and still be a star, but no one is taking you seriously if you can't top 30 home runs playing half your games in Minute Maid, with multiple trips to Globe Life each year as well.
You don't need an ignorant GM. You need an idiot in the owner's box. The two teams the other guys mentioned on this comment are perfect examples. I like Alonso, but I agree with this video. He's not worth what Boras thinks he is.
@@Gunleaver His numbers fall short and they are only getting worse. He really is one of those one year contract guys floating around the leagues now. There's room for him there.
These guys are high 20's or 30 mill per year with maybe 3-5 year terms. Teo gave a championship team discount but he is definitely more valuable than Pete or Alex.
This Is The Problem WIth Pro Sports Today....Guys Want To Get Paid From What They Have Done....Not What They WIll Do....Which After 30 Is Prob Not The Same
The owners have it set up this way. Most guys don't reach free agency until they're on the back half of their career. If you got paid peanuts relative to what you were worth for the first half of your career, you'd probably be trying to make more than you're "worth" on the last half too. This isn't unique to baseball, but it is certainly more prevalent.
I completely agree. Look at Alonso. 600 ABs. He had 88 RBI on 34 HRs. Assume each HR was a solo shot. That’s 54 RBI over 566 ABs. And some HR were not solo shots so it’s a more brutal optic. Tells me he’s not doing much production wise. Throw in the 172 Ks and the bloom is really off the turd. If you’re asking me, would I sign this guy, I look back on Ryan Howard the last three years of his contract. That’s what I’m seeing with Alonso. I say no.
RBIs are a measurement of what the guys who bat before you did, not a measure of what you did. It's a meaningless stat, and there's a reason front offices don't care about it.
@@doocies Hitting with runners in scoring position is nothing more than a measure of how luck breaks down on a very small sample size. Study after study has shown that it's not repeatable. And RBIs don't even measure that!
0:02 Everyone is becoming greedy besides the fans. You have owners who want more money, they have uniform patches Helmets ads I'm sure more is coming. To watch the games on TV is about 100$ a month. I'll never understand Soto's contract, Just pure insanity. Crazy how a player wants over 180 million to bat 240 can't play 1st base very well. Bergman doesn't even bat 300. Ive heard rumors that Vlad Jr might get 500 million
They all saw what Soto got courtesy of the bidding war so it’s inevitable that guys like Vladdy Jr and Tucker are seeing that and thinking hmm what does my market look like now if he got that much. Ohtani’s contract should’ve been the quite literal extremely rare outlier given that not only is he elite in pitching, hitting and running but also the amount of money he brings in off the field.
@Wolf-wc1js i can see why Ohtani got what he got the dodgers got basically two players in one and in just year one he's shown why he got what he did. I'm a Yankees fan and I'm so glad Soto went to the Mets... just is crazy that these owners can throw out all this money.. Tucker I feel will get a contract like Harper did maybe more. Vlad Jr I'll be surprised what he winds up getting and where he goes
I’m a nats fan and I’m happy we didn’t go after these guys or walker, they are old and just above average nothing special. In Bergman’s case I have no idea why he has so much demand, he’s a regressing third baseman wanting a seven year contract? What, he’s not a superstar anymore, I don’t see a world where his contract isn’t terrible by year three. I’m really happy the nats traded for lowe, he’s cheaper and younger. And tbh is a better player, he has similar if not sometimes better OPS+ and has great defense and is younger.
I am really happy with how the nats turned out. I'm a huge believer in them this year and I hope they can push to be buyers instead of sellers this year.
Baseball is a joke, these mega millions salaries will help speed up the demise of MLB, Baseball is already a fading sport, there will be teams folding in 2 to 3 years,
Yes literally not true at all 2019 on all counts, MLB and fan investigations have BOTH proven there was no cheating that year and it only happened in 2017 for half the season and the first month of 2018
As someone who lives in New York... Yes, Alonso believes he's an all-time Superstar, and he's just.. Not even close to that. He's a good player, but he wouldn't be the best player on any team that's truly contending right now.
Re: Alonso, last year, .240 over 600 ABs with 88 RBI. The idea is to score runs so the team wins. His big RBI years are fading in the rear view mirror.
If you are referring to the prince fielder contract quote with Pete, it has been confirmed that the claim Boras corp was fishing around for that number is false! Which is good news because that would be bananas
Its not clear if this is what Boras was looking at first - I think his quote was 'not comparable now' so maybe at some point he thought the 6+ years contract for either guy was possible - now this is very unlikely - unless the dumb Angels/Arte moreno or the desperate Blue Jays jump in.
If I'm the Yankees -- who could really use a good defensive 3B -- max I would pay Bregman a max of $100MM over 5. Anything above that or longer than that is an albatross in training.
I would've loved for the Astros to bring breggy back, but sadly i think he would only hurt the team in the long run especially with his overvalued contract. At this rate I think he will be lucky to get even what the Astros offered him the 1st time. Scott Boras is a leech.
i'm all for players getting their max value and getting paid, but the trend of seeing teams overpay for someone's _future_ ability has really got to stop. and paying Soto over $700M whose only exceptional quality is that he walks a lot is beyond ridiculous.
As a Met fan, I would NEVER pay Pete exactly what he wants. Emotional connection or not, it’d be smarter to move vientos to first for ‘25 and then sign Vlad Jr (which I doubt will happen). I do think pete is the current best option for the Mets, though.
If you look into Bregman's batting profile for direction and hard hit ball rate you'll see he is in a regression. If I were a GM I'd only offer a $25 mil AAV for 3 years for him, if I needed a defensive 3rd baseman, or $15 mil AAV for 6 years if there was no 3rd baseman in my farm system. The cost to trade for a nearly developed good 3rd baseman prospect is too high right now. I'd only offer these contracts if I was looking to win in the next 3 years for the first, or if I needed the cash from revenue sharing for the 6 year deal and was coasting for my farm system to restock from draft picks and international free agency.
Mets fan here.. I watched Alonso fail over and over last 2 seasons. A fat, lumbering 1st baseman on the decline, no doubt. If David Stearns had his way without owner interference, Alonso would already be an afterthought.
A lot of these guys want to get paid for what they have already done, but teams only want to pay for what they will produce now. Which clearly isn’t the same
I think Pete is “technically” worth it. We all know that teams pay for last year’s performance. Since Pete’s rookie year, he’s top 3 in the MLB for RBIs, HRs, ABs, and healthiness/availability. I’m a Mets fan that has been saying since his second year to trade Pete at his highest value. But at this point his career is borderline HOF; he plays in 90 of his career games, and has more HRs and RBIs than ANYONE IN MLB Since his rookie year. He definitely worth of the money for a bad team. Not a competitor….
who cares, ask for it! ask for more, best case scenario one team gets desperate and you are set for life (and then some!) worst case, they say no and you lower your offer
If Pete was still neck and neck with Aaron Judge for the best position player in the league, hitting 53 hrs last year, id understand the demands. If Alex Trashcan hit over .260 with more than 30 hrs since the trashcan year, id understand similar demands.
Both are Boras clients. Juan Soto is also one, but he was clearly the head of the class and it was basically a bidding war between the major market teams.
Putting stats aside, I think they are also taking into consideration the fact that these are players people know and want to pay to see. They are also guys whos last name sell jerseys.
I’m no way is Alonso worth that much, and Bregman is mainly defence which will decline through age, so he’ll end up having bad defense, paired with obviously declinining hitting, and below average base running skills, and Alonso plays first base badly, what else do I need to say
@@MagnusAbrahamsson-d4p Nope, being as he nor any other of the cheaters suffered any penalties what-so ever, nobody except the cheating Asstros want to ever forget this! Much like the cheating Black Sox, that happened over a hundred years ago and is still remembered! You can blame Rob Manfred (the guy who single-handedly is trying to ruin baseball) for not punishing the cheaters so at least part of it could rest!
The difference is that Juan Soto is 26 years old, not on the wrong side of 30. You'll get 8 or 9 good years minimum out of the contract if he doesn't suffer a major injury. The last 5 years will be bad, but if you win a World Series or two before then no one will care. I remember when the Giants allegedly overpaid massively for Barry Zito: after the second World Series win in three years (2012) not a soul was mentioning Zito's contract. Flags fly forever.
With the fluctuation of the College transfer portal, the MLBPA needs to fight the 3 year college commitment rule for entering the MLB draft. College players who stay for 3 years and get drafted into the MLB are hitting free agency for the first time at 29 and 30 years old. International players who don’t have to go to college are hitting free agency at 24, 25 and 26 years old. Bregman, Judge , Alonzo etc etc are hitting free agency at 30 years old and it cost them money.
It was not surprising that the Washington Natioanals were in the playoffs in 2019, since they had a pretty loaded roster, and had been making the playoffs with some regularity for seven or eight years running.
They hope to get a sweet deal like Mike Trout, who is the most overrated player in the game. He’s always hurt and he has never made his team better, yet no one complains about his salary.
The problem is simple. Juan Soto on his walk year was a beast and got paid like one. Pete Alonso and Bregman fell victim to having down years on their walk year. How you perform right around when you become a FA, directly relates to your contract. Ask Jordan Montgomery from the postseason performance he put on, Carlos Beltran, same thing. Didn’t perform well enough. Take a Cody Belli deal one year, go prove yourself you didn’t lose it and try again. If that doesn’t work, go fire Boras because GMs are starting to see thru his bullshit.
The problem is simple: Soto is worth at least 600mil and Pete+Bregman aren't even worth half that. Pete is Chris Davis 2.0, literally only good for homers and Bregman is... great to good but regressing due to age
All these insane contracts are making the cost to be a fan so expensive that fans are walking away. MLB will self destruct with the way it treats fans.
These long term request are just absurd for guys already in their 30’s. As a bleed blue and orange Mets fan,I am more than willing to go high on a yearly salary in these cases,but hell no on the years they want. Especially with our above average farm system. Which with our resources bodes better than a small market team having a top 3 farm.
I love Pete Alonso...except with runners in scoring position. He has a huge hole in his swing which pitchers have figured out. He has a hard time reaching the outside pitch as he's prone to muscling up and not extending his arms. I wouldn't mind seeing him signing an incentive laden contract of about 25 mil with a truck load of incentives that could pay off handsomely. The current Met offer of 90 mil over three years is pretty generous. I recommend taking it. If he out performs the contract he's still in a strong position at 34.
There was 77 Sunset Strip; now there is .77 OPS Rip, with Bregman, perhaps the next Rendon, attempting to pull the wool over an MLB team to the tune of $200 million.
Bregman's best years were 2017 - 2019. His performance has tailed off since 2020, when the cheating system was revealed. I think clubs are wary about paying him based on those years.
Paying Alonzo and Bregman what they want will just inflate the ticket prices when you go out to the ball game. Both could get hurt during the season or before, and the team is still stuck with the contract they signed with the players on a legal basis.
I’m a lot higher on Bregman than Alonso - I think any team signing Alonso to any deal is going to be a loser. I think that the right team, with a home park that’s extremely friendly to RHH (like, say, Fenway) could get value out of Bregman with the right deal. Something like you said - maybe 4/120 or thereabouts. I wouldn’t want to be paying a 36-year old Bregman $30 million a year.
As an Astros life long fan; re-sign Bregman at $160M/6, move him to SS out of spite, and then play Peña at RF with that solid arm. Bora$$ won't let that happen but it works for me!
yes and no you have to take into account the agent for both players which is Scott Boras and one thing he always does (unless you are Jose Altuve) is make ridiculous contracts with foolish gms or owners who are willing to pay
I agree, it’s ridiculous what they want. Teams are starting to wise up against borris clients in the 30+ age category.
Apparently Pete pitched a 3yr deal w/ opt outs yesterday to the Mets
Boras? Who the crap is "Borris" lmao. You're right though, I think Skot Borris is doing Peat Uhlahnzough a disservice
@@mamalannightshyamanI promise you it's not that serious
@@adamlwkachillguyPete also probably wishes he just signed that extension with the Mets last year.
I think teams have been wise for a long time.
It's just the other teams have signed players to bad deals and are actively paying the price.
Boras has lost a lot of leverage.
It’s delusional because they are both Boras clients. Unbelievable. Happy teams are wisening up.
The question is - which teams are happy teams and which teams are unhappy teams?
YES 👍🏾.
Boras got to get paid 😅
Bregman should've taken the astros deal tbh
Ya his most likely gonna get the calros correa treatment where he gets booed by his old team fans
Same with Pete 😂😂
I would agree with you about this.
@@pumpkinocean354 I went to correas first game back in houston. He got a standing ovation.
@@pumpkinocean354 nah... he hasn't acted nearly as annoying as Correa did. Correa was always talking about getting paid, going on Puerto Rican podcasts during the 2021 world series hinting he was gonna play for a east coast team "in stripes"
I blame Borris, he convinces players they are worth more than they actually are and then wonder why no one will sign them.
Players go to Boras for a reason, and they are responsible for that decision. Usually Boras wins. Sometimes he doesn’t. It’s on players to be realistic.
@@reaganabroad4952 Actually Scott Boras wins either way since he is paid a percentage of the players total package.
*Boras
I blame Borris as well.
Unathletic 30 year old 1st baseman don't age well. He's going to drop off a cliff when he's 34.
I've always seen that Chris Davis type of drop off for him and I think other teams have seen the same. We literally watched it less than half of a decade ago with Davis. 2015 dude was hitting 40 plus bombs by 2019 was hitting under .200 with no power. Wouldn't be surprised if this was Alonso by 2028/2029.
Exactly, history has seen a long list of power hitters fall off a cliff after 30. Add in the fact that in his contract year that was some decline. By 33 he’s an over the hill 20hr hitter who isn’t even suffice at 1B.
Lindor $34 million AAV. Better hitter than Alonso while also being a more versatile hitter while also playing some of the best defense at a premium position
Lindor is so frikin good, coming from a braves fan
I Love Pete, I want him to get paid and play care free but as a Mets fan, his value to the fanbase is probably much greater than his value to the rest of the market.
The issue with Pete and Santander is they are so one-dimensional. When they’re not hitting homers, they’re piling up negative value in every other way.
Liabilities in the field and on the bases. power is the very first thing to go when physical decline begins to take its toll.
Yeah Pete Alonso can hit home runs but he had a lower average than Anthony Volpe and isn’t great defensively
Big power hitters with low OBP decline the hardest with age, only idiot GM would give Pete anything more than 4 years at best, and even then the 4th year will probably be very ugly.
Yes, look at Dodgers. They got the Korean for pinch runner role for a good price.
@@koningklootzak7788 yeah that was a steal, a good defensive player that can hit and steal bases for a cheap price
@@WalnutDictator can hit? It's too early to say that. Hitting in Korea and hitting in MLB waste 2 completely different things. I think he'll fail to prove himself.
4:53 glad ur still calling it minute maid park in stead of Daikin Park
Also RIP Tal's Hill
Enron?
Who cares lol both are brands why support one other the other it should be astros park/stadium if anything lol
Pete Alonso is coming off a down season and it might not have just been a down season. It might be the direction his career is headed. He's a power guy and nothing more. He's not going to age well. David Stearns knows this.
I think consistency will help him by staying on the Mets and maybe putting up a more persuasive year. Maybe.
Younger means nothing. Its the production that is the problem. One or two good years are what is driving them up. You used to have players in their 30's have great years. These modern players arent good beyond a year or two of big production. Use to have to deliver for 5 years or more to get contracts like they want. Its the same for Soto. That is even crazier than Bregman or Alonso. A guy has 2 or 3 great years and he is the next Ted Williams. You see it with Trout, Bellinger and Yelich, guys who have two great years and then are average. Ted Williams had years of great hitting to be the star he was. Not just a couple of great years of high production and a couple of average ones. Everything is over hyped and padded with foolish stats that cant be truly compared because of opponents and circumstances. Two above years starting at 25 doesn't make a great player, its just the beginning of being good.
Boras messed up not taking the Astros offer. Willy Adames didnt get 200 mil. he is 2 years younger and a better hitter.
Ahh... look at the OPS. Bregman's OPS is better on average.
@Badbreathbill not last year
@ .30 point difference... after a slow start by Bregman. I's take the higher OBP long term i think
Pete Alonso and Alex Bregman asking for $200M is peak delusion...
Fact is Pete Alonso wants to get paid significantly above market value, after a down season, after turning down a deal that was significantly above market value last year. Teams can get an okay slugger at 1B for peanuts because there are so many.
Hey, at least Pete donates money to animal shelters!
No he doesn’t
Alonso has value hitting behind Soto. Not a long-term deal.
@@DUSTER-BUSTER88yes he does he donated 1000 dollars to animals shelters through the Alonso foundation for every home run he hit in 2024
Tax write offs mannnnnnnn
@@timmytuckerson3450 how about me and you go for a coffee?
Alonso's numbers are even more decieving because of the way they typically happen.
He has a tendancy to compile homers and RBI's in short hot spells, but then go cold for twice as long. He also has a habit of comiling RBI's in lopsided games.
He profiles more like a DH. He also needs to slide down to the five or six hole.
Pete Alonso thinks this is 1993.There are 0 GM's that are ignorant nowadays
In 1993, I don't any GM is paying big for a 31 year old who has only two seasons better than .280 avg, 30 HR, 100 RBI, and those are six years in the past. Bregman has never crossed those thresholds again. His best average since 2019 is .270, his highest home run total is 26 and RBIs is 98. Each in a different year ('21, '24 & '23 respectively). In those days, .300/30/100 was the star value. You could go lower on one of those categories if the other two were higher, and still be a star, but no one is taking you seriously if you can't top 30 home runs playing half your games in Minute Maid, with multiple trips to Globe Life each year as well.
Rockies
Angels
You don't need an ignorant GM. You need an idiot in the owner's box. The two teams the other guys mentioned on this comment are perfect examples. I like Alonso, but I agree with this video. He's not worth what Boras thinks he is.
@@Gunleaver His numbers fall short and they are only getting worse. He really is one of those one year contract guys floating around the leagues now. There's room for him there.
This a very good video. I had never seen this channel before. I subscribed. I appreciate facts. Thank you.
These guys are high 20's or 30 mill per year with maybe 3-5 year terms. Teo gave a championship team discount but he is definitely more valuable than Pete or Alex.
This Is The Problem WIth Pro Sports Today....Guys Want To Get Paid From What They Have Done....Not What They WIll Do....Which After 30 Is Prob Not The Same
The owners have it set up this way. Most guys don't reach free agency until they're on the back half of their career. If you got paid peanuts relative to what you were worth for the first half of your career, you'd probably be trying to make more than you're "worth" on the last half too. This isn't unique to baseball, but it is certainly more prevalent.
Bregman had a brutal start. Put up great numbers the 2nd half.
He’s never came close to his cheating years.
Trash can made
@@Yankeefan2807that was 2017. His 2019 dwarfed that year
He starts slow every year. This year was the worst one yet. I cant imagine how he would look like without having a complete spring training.
He only deserves 3-4 years contract. Teams don’t want to get stuck paying for a declining player when he reaches his mid 30’s.
RBIs is the name of the game. NOT home runs. STOP trying for a 600 foot HR with EVERY swing!!! Just WIN the GAME.
I completely agree. Look at Alonso. 600 ABs. He had 88 RBI on 34 HRs. Assume each HR was a solo shot. That’s 54 RBI over 566 ABs. And some HR were not solo shots so it’s a more brutal optic. Tells me he’s not doing much production wise. Throw in the 172 Ks and the bloom is really off the turd. If you’re asking me, would I sign this guy, I look back on Ryan Howard the last three years of his contract. That’s what I’m seeing with Alonso. I say no.
@Tryp-j9d Lol, I would post a clip from the movie "Signs", but YT would probably block the comment. Search for "felt wrong not to swing".
RBIs are a measurement of what the guys who bat before you did, not a measure of what you did. It's a meaningless stat, and there's a reason front offices don't care about it.
RBI’s win games , scoring runs is the name of the game. Hitting with runners is scoring position is one of the most essential stats
@@doocies Hitting with runners in scoring position is nothing more than a measure of how luck breaks down on a very small sample size. Study after study has shown that it's not repeatable. And RBIs don't even measure that!
0:02 Everyone is becoming greedy besides the fans. You have owners who want more money, they have uniform patches Helmets ads I'm sure more is coming. To watch the games on TV is about 100$ a month. I'll never understand Soto's contract, Just pure insanity. Crazy how a player wants over 180 million to bat 240 can't play 1st base very well. Bergman doesn't even bat 300. Ive heard rumors that Vlad Jr might get 500 million
Some think Vlad Jr can even get 600 mill..which is crazy to me
They all saw what Soto got courtesy of the bidding war so it’s inevitable that guys like Vladdy Jr and Tucker are seeing that and thinking hmm what does my market look like now if he got that much. Ohtani’s contract should’ve been the quite literal extremely rare outlier given that not only is he elite in pitching, hitting and running but also the amount of money he brings in off the field.
@Wolf-wc1js i can see why Ohtani got what he got the dodgers got basically two players in one and in just year one he's shown why he got what he did. I'm a Yankees fan and I'm so glad Soto went to the Mets... just is crazy that these owners can throw out all this money.. Tucker I feel will get a contract like Harper did maybe more. Vlad Jr I'll be surprised what he winds up getting and where he goes
Vlad has another good year 500 is almost guaranteed. I would say an annual average of 40 to 45 million for 10 to 13 years.
This is a bubble that will eventually pop. Just unsustainable.
I’m a nats fan and I’m happy we didn’t go after these guys or walker, they are old and just above average nothing special. In Bergman’s case I have no idea why he has so much demand, he’s a regressing third baseman wanting a seven year contract? What, he’s not a superstar anymore, I don’t see a world where his contract isn’t terrible by year three. I’m really happy the nats traded for lowe, he’s cheaper and younger. And tbh is a better player, he has similar if not sometimes better OPS+ and has great defense and is younger.
Plus James Wood is gonna go off and be the best outfielder ever
I am really happy with how the nats turned out. I'm a huge believer in them this year and I hope they can push to be buyers instead of sellers this year.
I don't bregman is just above average. I think he's a little more. And his floor is high because of his OBP
@ yeah but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and he has been declining. Not a great thing to bet on if you are a team
Baseball is a joke, these mega millions salaries will help speed up the demise of MLB, Baseball is already a fading sport, there will be teams folding in 2 to 3 years,
Really enjoying these longer form in depth vids bro, they are hitting keep it up
Neither is a player to build around. But they’re priced like it
For both players 2019s juiced balls boosted their egos on what their worth without each season they wouldn’t be asking so much
Bregman also knew when pitchers were going to deliver off speed pitches 🤷
@ not in 2019 it was factually proven they didn’t cheat in 2019 and only cheated in 2017 every single statistic and investigation proves it
For Bregman it was both juiced balls and the trash can.
Yes literally not true at all 2019 on all counts, MLB and fan investigations have BOTH proven there was no cheating that year and it only happened in 2017 for half the season and the first month of 2018
Rockies will offer both, full price. They will probably find a way to donate the Mets and Astros 1st round draft pick too….
Alonso is a 15mil per season at best
As someone who lives in New York... Yes, Alonso believes he's an all-time Superstar, and he's just.. Not even close to that. He's a good player, but he wouldn't be the best player on any team that's truly contending right now.
Soto opened the door of delusion for everybody else
How many of the Bergman home runs were over the Crawford boxes that 309 feet away and all the other short porch parks?
And the help of banging trash cans in his prime
"extremely unimpressive totals"
I'm wiping tears from my eyes.
Re: Alonso, last year, .240 over 600 ABs with 88 RBI. The idea is to score runs so the team wins. His big RBI years are fading in the rear view mirror.
If you are referring to the prince fielder contract quote with Pete, it has been confirmed that the claim Boras corp was fishing around for that number is false! Which is good news because that would be bananas
Its not clear if this is what Boras was looking at first - I think his quote was 'not comparable now' so maybe at some point he thought the 6+ years contract for either guy was possible - now this is very unlikely - unless the dumb Angels/Arte moreno or the desperate Blue Jays jump in.
If I'm the Yankees -- who could really use a good defensive 3B -- max I would pay Bregman a max of $100MM over 5. Anything above that or longer than that is an albatross in training.
They'd offer 48m for 3 tops. Imagine having Bregman for five years. The Mexican league will be where is at by then.
I would've loved for the Astros to bring breggy back, but sadly i think he would only hurt the team in the long run especially with his overvalued contract. At this rate I think he will be lucky to get even what the Astros offered him the 1st time. Scott Boras is a leech.
The only Boras contract that has ever worked out for a team in the long run is Jose Altuve
If the giants can get him for a lower amount I could see it. Could use a 1b/dh
Crazy to be more than 100 million apart on a players value…
In my humble opinion if you can’t hit .400 or above, hit 60 HRs and steal 100 bases a year then you’re not worth a million dollars.
What does this even mean
You have to be trolling. LMAO
It’d be great get an just adjusted homeruns value when factoring in Bergman’s massive cheating
i'm all for players getting their max value and getting paid, but the trend of seeing teams overpay for someone's _future_ ability has really got to stop. and paying Soto over $700M whose only exceptional quality is that he walks a lot is beyond ridiculous.
I’m a Mets fan, I love Pete, and I want him back on the Mets but the contract demands are confusing
agree. give me Brendan Rodgers for a 15th of bregmans cost
As a Met fan, I would NEVER pay Pete exactly what he wants. Emotional connection or not, it’d be smarter to move vientos to first for ‘25 and then sign Vlad Jr (which I doubt will happen). I do think pete is the current best option for the Mets, though.
If you look into Bregman's batting profile for direction and hard hit ball rate you'll see he is in a regression. If I were a GM I'd only offer a $25 mil AAV for 3 years for him, if I needed a defensive 3rd baseman, or $15 mil AAV for 6 years if there was no 3rd baseman in my farm system. The cost to trade for a nearly developed good 3rd baseman prospect is too high right now. I'd only offer these contracts if I was looking to win in the next 3 years for the first, or if I needed the cash from revenue sharing for the 6 year deal and was coasting for my farm system to restock from draft picks and international free agency.
Pete Alonso is maybe worth 12 million.
I'd offer him 500k a home run. If he hits more than 25 then maybe it helps the club enough.
Stearns doesn’t value Pete highly. It’s pretty clear he has a number and line drawn in the sand.
Mets fan here.. I watched Alonso fail over and over last 2 seasons. A fat, lumbering 1st baseman on the decline, no doubt. If David Stearns had his way without owner interference, Alonso would already be an afterthought.
Pete is a luxury now. If you are the Mets you can see Vlad will be available next year or possibly by the all star break.
Simple answer....no, they are not worth their asking price.
A lot of these guys want to get paid for what they have already done, but teams only want to pay for what they will produce now. Which clearly isn’t the same
I think Pete is “technically” worth it. We all know that teams pay for last year’s performance. Since Pete’s rookie year, he’s top 3 in the MLB for RBIs, HRs, ABs, and healthiness/availability. I’m a Mets fan that has been saying since his second year to trade Pete at his highest value. But at this point his career is borderline HOF; he plays in 90 of his career games, and has more HRs and RBIs than ANYONE IN MLB Since his rookie year. He definitely worth of the money for a bad team. Not a competitor….
They are indeed. Thinking Pete 😊should take the 3 year $90M.
They are wanting far to much. Especially Alonso. But to be fair the pay in MLB is outlandish so get what you can I guess.
Unfortunately, team giving out moronic contracts like when the Padres gave Xander a couple years ago, is why these guys wanna get paid like this
who cares, ask for it! ask for more, best case scenario one team gets desperate and you are set for life (and then some!) worst case, they say no and you lower your offer
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If Pete was still neck and neck with Aaron Judge for the best position player in the league, hitting 53 hrs last year, id understand the demands. If Alex Trashcan hit over .260 with more than 30 hrs since the trashcan year, id understand similar demands.
Pete was never in the conversation for best position player with Judge.
Both are Boras clients. Juan Soto is also one, but he was clearly the head of the class and it was basically a bidding war between the major market teams.
Aye aye captain obvious
Juan Soto is just entering his prime. Alonso and Bregman are exiting theirs.
Putting stats aside, I think they are also taking into consideration the fact that these are players people know and want to pay to see. They are also guys whos last name sell jerseys.
I’m no way is Alonso worth that much, and Bregman is mainly defence which will decline through age, so he’ll end up having bad defense, paired with obviously declinining hitting, and below average base running skills, and Alonso plays first base badly, what else do I need to say
Bregman is also an unrepentant cheater!
Nah bro, that was 8 years ago, let bygones be bygones
@@MagnusAbrahamsson-d4p Nope, being as he nor any other of the cheaters suffered any penalties what-so ever, nobody except the cheating Asstros want to ever forget this! Much like the cheating Black Sox, that happened over a hundred years ago and is still remembered! You can blame Rob Manfred (the guy who single-handedly is trying to ruin baseball) for not punishing the cheaters so at least part of it could rest!
Boras clients=overpay. Hence the Juan Soto contract and many others.
The difference is that Juan Soto is 26 years old, not on the wrong side of 30. You'll get 8 or 9 good years minimum out of the contract if he doesn't suffer a major injury. The last 5 years will be bad, but if you win a World Series or two before then no one will care. I remember when the Giants allegedly overpaid massively for Barry Zito: after the second World Series win in three years (2012) not a soul was mentioning Zito's contract. Flags fly forever.
With the fluctuation of the College transfer portal, the MLBPA needs to fight the 3 year college commitment rule for entering the MLB draft. College players who stay for 3 years and get drafted into the MLB are hitting free agency for the first time at 29 and 30 years old. International players who don’t have to go to college are hitting free agency at 24, 25 and 26 years old. Bregman, Judge , Alonzo etc etc are hitting free agency at 30 years old and it cost them money.
It was not surprising that the Washington Natioanals were in the playoffs in 2019, since they had a pretty loaded roster, and had been making the playoffs with some regularity for seven or eight years running.
Soto contract without judge behind him may end up being a disaster for us mets fans
Nah he will still mash Soto doesn’t even really need protection, and if he doesn’t have any he will just end up having a 470 OBP
Very well summed up. Great analysis.
Both demands would make sense if their defense and speed were average for their age. However, both are being seen as DHs instead of playing the field.
By who? Bregman is an elite defender
The only reason these guys can ask for money like this is due to the lack of salary cap. These contracts are outright ridiculous.
Sniffing some of that sweet sweet Juan Soto money.
They hope to get a sweet deal like Mike Trout, who is the most overrated player in the game. He’s always hurt and he has never made his team better, yet no one complains about his salary.
Pete, take 5 years, get ready for the Spring.
The problem is simple. Juan Soto on his walk year was a beast and got paid like one. Pete Alonso and Bregman fell victim to having down years on their walk year. How you perform right around when you become a FA, directly relates to your contract. Ask Jordan Montgomery from the postseason performance he put on, Carlos Beltran, same thing. Didn’t perform well enough. Take a Cody Belli deal one year, go prove yourself you didn’t lose it and try again. If that doesn’t work, go fire Boras because GMs are starting to see thru his bullshit.
The problem is simple: Soto is worth at least 600mil and Pete+Bregman aren't even worth half that.
Pete is Chris Davis 2.0, literally only good for homers and Bregman is... great to good but regressing due to age
They are definitely not worth what they are asking for.
All these insane contracts are making the cost to be a fan so expensive that fans are walking away. MLB will self destruct with the way it treats fans.
Bregman should’ve taken the Astros first 6 year offer. They were being generous
If I were a general manager, I would be trying to grab some guys for a one-year deal. Then, they could hit the free market again if they did well.
Players are worth what a team can pay based on how the team can raise prices to the fans.
If fans will pay, so does the team
These long term request are just absurd for guys already in their 30’s.
As a bleed blue and orange Mets fan,I am more than willing to go high on a yearly salary in these cases,but hell no on the years they want. Especially with our above average farm system. Which with our resources bodes better than a small market team having a top 3 farm.
totally agree. not sure how soto got what he did either
the clubs want to manage risk. so shorter deals, extension options. Bregman would be a good 2B in Boston. Green monster would be his best friend
Bregman pops up alot 😂
Teams will pay, great stats man
It’s not ridiculous because of comps in Bergman’s case. If Matt Chapman got 6yr $151M, Bregman has earned a higher contract.
I love Pete Alonso...except with runners in scoring position. He has a huge hole in his swing which pitchers have figured out. He has a hard time reaching the outside pitch as he's prone to muscling up and not extending his arms. I wouldn't mind seeing him signing an incentive laden contract of about 25 mil with a truck load of incentives that could pay off handsomely. The current Met offer of 90 mil over three years is pretty generous. I recommend taking it. If he out performs the contract he's still in a strong position at 34.
There was 77 Sunset Strip; now there is .77 OPS Rip, with Bregman, perhaps the next Rendon, attempting to pull the wool over an MLB team to the tune of $200 million.
They think if Ohtani gets it, they should also get it lol
Deals over 3 years tend to be poor for the team, especially once players hit 30. Teams are wising up to it.
The Polar Bear is a good old boy
Bregman's best years were 2017 - 2019. His performance has tailed off since 2020, when the cheating system was revealed. I think clubs are wary about paying him based on those years.
Paying Alonzo and Bregman what they want will just inflate the ticket prices when you go out to the ball game. Both could get hurt during the season or before, and the team is still stuck with the contract they signed with the players on a legal basis.
I’m a lot higher on Bregman than Alonso - I think any team signing Alonso to any deal is going to be a loser. I think that the right team, with a home park that’s extremely friendly to RHH (like, say, Fenway) could get value out of Bregman with the right deal. Something like you said - maybe 4/120 or thereabouts. I wouldn’t want to be paying a 36-year old Bregman $30 million a year.
As an Astros life long fan; re-sign Bregman at $160M/6, move him to SS out of spite, and then play Peña at RF with that solid arm. Bora$$ won't let that happen but it works for me!
They won't be signed unless their contract demands are lowered.
A very hard no !
I call it ego and greed on Bregman's part 😁.
yes and no you have to take into account the agent for both players which is Scott Boras and one thing he always does (unless you are Jose Altuve) is make ridiculous contracts with foolish gms or owners who are willing to pay
Bregman is worth $125-150 million Alonso possibly $175 million both for 5 years.
Cabrera’s is one of the worst deals of all time in terms of WAR/season.
Always thought these guys would/should be happy to sign something similar to the Springer contract 5 or 6 years at about 150 million
Other than Pena, who could pop off with the right adjustment, and our pitchers will do very well. I expect low ERA and much higher FiP.