New Chip Give Your OG XBOX 4X The RAM
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
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For the first time ever, we can increase the RAM in the original XBOX from 64MB to 256MB! That’s 4 times the original amount! This has never been done before. And previously, the maximum amount of RAM we could upgrade the XBOX to was 128MB. But now that we are able to increase the RAM to 256MB are there any improvements or increase in gaming performance? Find out in this video!
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3:29 New RAM Module Overview
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11:59 Features
13:31 Pros and Cons
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I prefer downloading more ram
The only acceptable way
Would you download a car?
Same, but this mod will be great for people whose internet connection is too slow to download RAM efficiently!
It's always better.
@@nick-leffleryep
It would be interesting to see how well Half-Life 2 performs with the additional RAM
And StarCraft Ghost
True
Doom 3 as well.
R they coded to take advantage of more available ram?
Likely no change as they dont expect the increased amounts and look for the stock amount only.
That improvised heat shield was an inspired idea, reusable and simple!
not necessary.
I love this for the "because we can" level of upgrade.
Well I can see some scenarios where additional RAM could theoretically help
+ 720p patches
+ PC Ports or better pc ports
+ Texture improvement mods in games
+ Emulators
+ Sega chihiro games
Gonna need to combine a 1.4Ghz Pentium III replacement, plus the SEGA Chihiro GPU. Might as well think about a new motherboard. :P
@@XenonG iirc the sega chihiro gpu is just the same one as an og xbox, maybe a bit higher clocked
hopefully this can allow for i/o emulation for wangan mmt1 and 2. would be really cool to be able to finally play those games at home
There are some games patched at 1080i (Halo 2 HD, PSO) that can still run out of memory even with 128MB ram mod. (in the case of halo, he had to dial down the texture cache size to make it work) If they can fix the memory speed issue on the original kernel, it would help us run halo 2 at 1080i better (the guy who made the patch theorized the game was possibly starved for memory bandwidth). Besides that, there's also the port of ReactOS that can benefit. I would like to see where this is going.
128mb is enought for 720p patches, that need 900mhz at least to run... and few need 1.4ghz cpu to run. The ram is to... install a proper OPERATING SYSTEM on the Xbox making it a MODERN CONSOLE... a Dashboard that can actually act as a operating system... imagine XBox running Android by example, its possible as Android ran so well on 256mb ram phones on the past...
I think the actual "pro" of this mod is that eventually we are gonna run out of chips to do the classic 128mb ram mod, and this is a good replacement for that eventuality.
My gut instinct is that the stability issues are due to the interposer increasing the length of the PCB traces. I know from personal experience that one traces being just one or two mm longer can cause errors in signaling, even at the slower speeds that these old devices run at. Also this is even more obscure, but changing the width of the traces can cause weirdness with signal reflection. If the interposer uses thinner traces and doesn't perfectly length match them then that's my bet for the core problem.
I'd say it's more likely just a faulty chip or a little extra voltage is needed
I don't know if it was still a thing in the celeron era the Xbox was built on, but older PC's if you wanted to go above a certain threshold of ram, it'd actually run slower if you didn't have an equivalent increase in the CPU cache memory that stored the increased address range of the system ram. Given the whole point of celerons was same MHz with less caching for cheaper, if this was paired with the CPU upgrade mod, would that unlock the proper speed and reliability of the extra megabytes?
Why would anyone upgrade the RAM of their original XBOX if it has no use? *BECAUSE THEY FKIN CAN* - And i think thats amazing
256mb of ram would actually be so amazing for me! It's something I've been wanting for a long time!
Amazing? Yes. Practical? Not really. Dangerous to the health of your Xbox? Possibly. I mean, I can chop my hand off if I want to... but just because I can, doesn't mean it's a good idea. 😂
@another3997
It may be a good idea if you're hungry.
You may be out of food, but you're not out of options.
Gotta appreciate the continued efforts to refuse to let this console die.
The chips should come pre-bent though imo. Just to ensure a safe and consistent install.
Where this modification will really shine is in improving the performance of current emulators that run on the original xbox. More RAM = more space to load ROMs into for a smoother performance. But they would have to each be modified to take advantage of the extra RAM.
I was about to comment the same thing. 👍
@@fenriswolfretro6729 with more ram you can use HD TEXTURES on HalfLife2 at 720p ok the original Xbox... Or increase the VIEW DISTANCE on games like Morrowind, making the xbox looks like a 360 in graphics.
There is no point. We already have a hard disk and have been using it for ROM paging for years.
i want Mame on OG xbox for 3d games like Street fighter EX And more acurate speed emulation on Neo Geo
Real ram chips will always be faster than virtual memory management @@weinerschnitzel7
I legit misheard "Prehistoricman" to "PrehistoricNAND"
I thought it was prehistoricman until I read this 😂
😂😂😂 i like "Nand" a lot more
PrehistoricRAM
This and the pentium 3 upgrade are crazy advances for the xbox modding scene.
And, almost as old now too.
The thing to do here is to start with 2 working unmodded original Xboxes. Take the RAM chips out of one, and put them in the other, making that one a 128 MB mod; then put these chips in the other Xbox, making it a 256 MB mod.
No waste.
As you were bending the pins, I was like oh this is not good.
Maybe if this mod came out 20 years ago it would have some real potential, at least for making a better homebrew/media center Xbox, but can't imagine any developers doing anything with this in 2024.
It did, right along with the 1.3Ghz PIII mod. The difference was you either scraped the Chips of a doner board, or you bought a batch of 'em to do it. Problem is after Twenty Years of NON PRODUCTION, supply finally went the way of the Dodo as they say. This update (To that Mod), address that last issue. As to what you'd use it for?
That would likely. Be one of two things
Sega Chihiro (i.e. Virtual Cop), or a full XBOX SDK environment. Again. Same today, as it was Twenty years ago.
true... the box is dead af.... also the mod szene for the og box
You don't like the idea of using the Xbox as a classic Win98 & DOS PC?, I do, got to say, being able to just plug in an Xbox to my VGA monitor or CRT TV and firing up my favourite late 90s PC games sounds incredible, setting up a Win98 PC can be a little tedious, both from a hardware and software point of view, the OGXBOX literally has everything under the hood for complete 80s through to 2003 PC support, imagine not having to mess with drivers and settings, and turning retro PC gaming into a plug & play console experience, yes please on that for me, even Amiga OS could be run complete with MIDI and soundbanks audio compatibility.
@@Wobble2007
That sounds interesting. Has there been developments ademend stuff like Dosbox to utilise the memory?
@@Wobble2007Can you do a dual boot setup with that? Like switching freely between the Xbox retail mode and the "PC mode".
I like the videos, but every time I look into doing any mod myself the parts aren't being sold anymore.
Awesome video Tito! New out a 1.2 Ghz CPU upgrade in it too!
Don't you mean 1.4ghz
@@David-gr8rh 1.233 pentium 3 or 1.3ghz Celeron tualatins are way cheaper than the 1.4-1.5ghz ones.
Upgrade the CPU
Upgrade the ram
i bet future video be like "Install faster GPU"
in the end, modders accidentally create *Xbox 360* by upgrading original Xbox.
Damn. I really want an og xbox. Maybe sometime in the future
Their clear green xboxes were very cool, really the most appealing console at launch considering it was playing pc games that needed systems that cost three times as much as an xbox.
Ive been seeing the prices slowly rising these past couple years. Id say the sooner the better
@@0JayDoubleUAgreed.. even a basic model would be ideal..
@@garystinten9339 absolutely. Especially since they have a fairly easy maintainance and easy to mod if u wish
i've got 3 of them i want to do all these mods to, but they keep adding to the list. the fiends. making them obsolete before i can even get them.
This would of been a cool *256K subscribers special* if you had waited just a day or two ❤
well i dont think ive clicked on a video so fast. I freaking love this channel
This is what the scene is all about doing mods with less the stellar results to hopefully one day be stellar results lmao
Dude, you don't need Kapton tape or foil to protect components around the RAM. I dont get where this misconception came from, but the small resistors, capacitors, diodes, etc. are definitely not going to get damaged with heat. If anything, the RAM is the sensitive component. Simply tin the RAM pins with leaded or low melt solder and reduce the amount of heat needed to remove them.
If anything, all you're doing when using Kapton tape, apart from wasting money, is risking the tape sliding around when the flux flows underneath it and dragging all those very small components with it.
This mod could really help emulators specially N64, if i remember correctly there is a memory problem when cartridge games are to big for 64mb so the emulator store some files in the HDD slowering the overal performance.
I’m so happy to see the scene still thriving! Long live the greatest modded console
In fact the interposer pins should be shorter than the original 2001 ram chips. That allows to solder the pins without the need to bend them too much or the interposer could be designed with the pins on the pcb and that could help to solder on a 90° inclination
This is pretty cool, one thing is for worth thinking about, it could open up allot of possibility's for the home brew community with PC ports ETC. I will probably stick with my 128mb build for the foreseeable future, but I will be keeping a close eye on this project. I know JCRocky5 has been moving in this direction with his softmod, I think he has even considered 512mb support. It's crazy that even after this console has past the 2 decade mark, it still has such an active community.
i enjoy your videos man
another great video brother!
Thank you for this video. I am going to dust off my Crystal Xbox and do this at some point.
At around the 9:00 mark. If you prep the motherboard pads with a thin coat of solder before tacking the chip, the chip installation will go easier. I would have prepped the pads, added more flux, then tacked a few pins as you did. I would hot air this into place only because I have a board pre-heater. I get why you did it how you did. I'd have drag-soldered it too without a board heater , just with the pad prep steps I mentioned earlier. Great job all round. Subbed!
For context, micro-soldering has been my job since 1989.
PS. My Crystal Xbox is my Guinea pig machine. Anything that proves good on that makes it's way into my green machine..
Man, I will never get tired of the console animations in your videos. As always the rest of the video is great but the animations... Wow!
Thanks for this information:)
Great idea! Keep going !!
this opens the door up to kickass Morrowind modding. Between cpu upgrades, the ability to overclock the front bus (which got several of my OG's to over 800mhz), and the large amount of ram, homebrew just got a kick in the ass to pave the way to more fun weekends!!
Tito is the Mr. Rogers of the modding scene and I am here for it!
Wow, this is an amazing mod. Can't wait to see what else comes of it.
Thank you for your video 🤩
Amazing video as always! Along with the ModXO modchip this is probably the best modded XBox on earth. The only thing missing would be the replacement of the processor for the 1GHz that Retro Renegade Repairs made. Great content Tito!
All we have to do now is put a PCI slot in and replace the Processor and we have the most powerful Xbox ever modded 🤣
@@ffviifakeremake9997 imagine if we could tap into the motherboards chipset to add another IDE channel so that the DVD drive and Hard Disk can be ont heir own IDE controllers (and allow SSD upgrades to run at full speed while the DVD drive is being accessed)
Also PCI would be interesting but I doubt that could be done like my idea for another IDE Controler
@@nekomasteryoutube3232 You never know man... Most of these mods were just a dream at some point and look how far the modding scene has gone. Maybe it's a matter of time? *crossing fingers*
Throw in an HDMI mod and it gets better.
Or make a custom mobo with a SATA controller so we can use XB1 BluRay drives
What could an Xbox do with such memory
Finish the video
my taxes?
Nothing, literally.
Nothing useful. Each home-brew app, each game must be modified to utilize additional RAM. As there are no devs working on software patches and the mod itself is not trivial, it will never gain meaningful user-base. One day you may see some random game patched, or some app with 256mb support released, but that's it.
Run StarCraft Ghost
Watching someone with this level of soldering skill is mesmerizing
Love your jazz backing track, nice n chill 😎
I’d never try this mod. But I love stuff like this great video man!
a 3D printed template of some sort for bending the pins would be cool.
Create mounting holes on the PCB that lock in to pins on the template. The template would have beveled edges to press the "legs" onto with a length of firm plastic.
Been thinking about this a bit lol. Using flat flex like that is not ideal. I'd suggest castellated terminations for the next interposer revision. The connections would be more secure and the extra real estate can be used to address some of the issues regarding the RAM timings!
I remember people doing this a few years back by stacking the original ram modules on top of each other, so even this is a far easier install comparatively. Would love to see where this project ends up once a bios is built to really utilize it as well as some game mods to hopefully make use of it
Great watch as always. Hope you will consider doing a video on the new Benn Venn GGHD IPS screen. I would like to see your perspective on this new version compared to the older GG IPS screen from a few years back.
It's always cool to see people finding something new with og xbox when you think everythings been done
Seamus Blackley is smiling right now
Using a modified xblast chip would allow you to test each memory module one at a time installing it. Refer to Modzville's xblast videos. Popping all 4 chips off and roux chambeau'ing the install of 8 and assuming you'd get them right on the first shot is ambitious. What should be done is remove each stock chip one at a time testing functionality of each in xblast. Replacing them in order, then proceeding to the empty slots. Another thing not covered was emulation and 3rd party software. This is known to have significant performance leaps with a 128mb console. Its also worth noting that module stacking has existed.
That’s what makes a true master. Not being afraid to ask for help albeit being an expert oneself.
This is so interesting, your last video on the Raspberry Pi Pico blow my mind. Which Raspberry Pi Pico should I pick up to mod the original Xbox? I've seen one called the Raspberry Pi Pico W and I'd like to see more Raspberry Pi modding in the future 👍
Dude, you have the best intro music on RUclips. Just my opinion. ❤
It seems like a 3d-printed jig for bending the interposers gently and evenly could also prevent the issue. I do wonder if just making the interposer a flex PCB instead of a solid PCB wouldn't also work though.
I like that the Xbox is becoming the Amiga of consoles. Neverending performance upgrades that don't have an immediate application, CPU upgrades / accelerators, memory expansions that weren't possible when the machine was new, it's fantastic.
Not being individual pins I think it helps a whole lot better to bend them all at once and it does looks more modern
Having two games run at the same time would be useful for a quick resume fucntion, while the suspended game can be partially unloaded to allow for the main game to take up more resources, having a quick resume function would allow you to swap between games quickly. Not very useful in practice, but a neat function all the same.
Many years ago, I bought 4 extra RAM chips for the Xbox. After the struggle to put them in, and it makes sense, there was no benefit from what I saw. The software I ran had all been designed for 64megs and had no idea the other memory was there. Maybe some emulators will be written to use it, but most of the older systems already fit into the 64 megs already installed. Would be nice to be able to make a RAM disk as a cache but that seems like a lot of work for very little return.
Now THAT is a Expansion Pak
Wow I get to watch this one within an hour of posting!! Hellyeah!
Just the possibility of doing so is already interesting in itself.
Might want to stake those modules down with some silastic/RTV or even some hot glue after verifying they work.
As far as the stability issues, it could also be the mapping of the traces on the interposer itself. More testing would be needed to figure it out. This is an awesome project though. Amazing work!
Damn, I watched this video and saw your sub count is at 255K, woulda been truly insane if it was magically at 256K for this video, like poetic almost haha, oh well!!...
Hoping this sparks some interest back into the modding scene to have someone patch software to add an option to tweak variable ram usage so the system itself can determine (equivalent of adjustable bar like more modern pc systems today) the ideal amount of ram as well as manual slider option for tweakers to get the ultimate setup.
For watching movies on a modded xbox this would actually be really helpful.
I can also see this adapted for games with mod patches.
though movies is more likely where this comes in handy.
Your music selection 🤤🤤 its proper
Great video once again.
Just a tip when using the hot air gun, the nozzle you had on, although it worked, it can be a pain as the hot air is narrowed down to a small spot, for something like the RAM chips, its actually much better to have no nozzle at all or a large one, that way you get more surface coverage and will lift in one with less chance of pulling/tearing off a trace.
Might feel like god to be an expert at hot air nozzles and nick-picking others with your special knowledge.
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@@user-yk1cw8im4hstop being rude, big nozzle = wider area, it's like a hose. It doesn't take a gods knowledge to know that, just simple physics
I've seen similar mod for Switch. Soldering new NAND and RAM chips, which actually affects game performance and useful in other OS's and emulators it can run. Insanely difficult as chips are way smaller, but super impressive.
You should get a tip that looks like an exacto knife for your soldering iron. Is easier to solder on the type of soldering that you are doing.
this isn't the first 256 mod u could place 16 chips on top of each other, but i am glad to see this as its a more fordable and less hassle way to do upgrades these days.
Itd be interesting to see how this could affect a game like Morrowind which is notorious for its memory issue on the original Xbox which caused them to have to restart the system between load screens to fix the issue.
watching a beast mode 1.4GHZ CPU + 256MB with custom bios + custom game settings would be a treat
Getting a memory upgrade on the Xbox 360 that is utilised would be an amazing mod along side harddrive installed games.
i would love to see someone like Modern Vintage Gamer chime in on things dealing with this ram, as he wrote the N64 emulator and some others on the Xbox, and the ram could be put to better use as shared VRAM with a rewritten BIOS and Kernel ie not just replacing a dashboard, but rewriting the implementation of binary executables like heavier emulators and DosBox or other ways to run things on it, like say a VM environment to let one boot OLDER operating systems like Windows 98 so one could run older PC games with the addition of a Keyboard and Mouse. Linux would be easy, as one could simply port a low-footprint distro like a 32 bit Puppy Linux version but built with modern 32 bit packages from Debian, for example. You could make it into a server for things like Insignia, with the extra ram being there to host other players on private games. Im suspecting with how the performance with the 8k video that cut to 1/4 ie 1080p one could possibly get the hardware to run that level of video using the extra memory as Vram. As well, Texture upgrade packs and upscaled ports could also be a thing, BUT pair this upgrade with a better CPU like the upgrades that can be done now to double that CPU speed and you could really have something there!!!
You can already boot Windows 98 on the Original XBOX, naturally the additional memory would help, especially when running other applications.
tito uploaded a new video?
0k, time for my weekly therapeutic session.
Ok, taking old bios into modern one would be interesting 🎉, though I very much appreciated the efforts
Lol playing 4K video at 1 fps is hilarious. It's not even that it does it horribly. It's just cool that it can do it at all.
I'm always blown away by the performance of HL2 on the og xbox when people do the 128mb upgrade, so I would have loved to see a clip of HL2 on Xbox with 256mb of ram.
Where's a video of this? I've seen the CPU upgrade running HL2, not 128MB.
There is zero point to this in a world of SBCs that out perform even more modern consoles.
Could you imagine the possibilities with a 1.4ghz processor upgrade and 256mb of ram on an original xbox? Holy smokes! I bet if there was a proper bios for something like that, it would be able to do alot more.
Exactly because the stock cpu is 700mhz with 128mb cache and the tualatin 1.1 to 1.4 are 512k cache and faster speed. A faster ram like that could help emulators for shure :p
Insignia Live is playable today, and also you can play original xbox games today online
In the Game JSRF.
Try out the Level 99th street. That is one of the bigger stages early on with a lot of open space and many NPCs.
If there are no issues there than its good.
I wonder if this would help in booting the other Sega Chihiro games on the original Xbox. I would like to give it a try. Thanks for the video and thanks to prehistoricman for designer the interposer.
Would be interesting to see this in conjunction with a CPU mod, and what could be done with that combo.
That is is a lot of memory. With 128MB being enough for Chihiro games, that's my primary use case and I hope the unsupported games can eventually get Xbox options.
I was able to play gta 5 after this upgrade
Yeah, using it for Linux\FreeBSD is the only thing that I could think of.
Maybe in the future, some homebrew can take advantage of it.
There could be some game speed up by prefetching from the disk drive and putting it in RAM, but that'd be a lot of work to modify the kernel to take proper advantage of what is probably already optimized.
Instead of rigid flex, you may be able to use castellated edges as the connection. This would completely solve the bend problem and make the mfr process cheaper.
You really need a chisel tip when installing RAM. One of the reasons I bought a TS-101 from Ali, it comes with 7 different tips (which are replaceable UK side for £12 each if you burn them out). I cringed when I saw a pointed tip because coverage to the pins is limited (hence your fractures when you attempted to solder them). Doing the 128mb, I don't even remove the heatsinks, just fly through it, just a tip for the future. Keep the solder limited and feed same as you was doing. Certainly interested in the process, will have to reach out see if I can try a set UK side. As always thanks for a nice clear vid and tut. Time to sub
Awesome job guy's. I do have a PSP Vita with some broken components and would love to see a PSP Vita consoleizer.
I doubt that's going to happen because the PSTV exists (It's a home console version of the Vita.)
@@Zark-Muckerberg yeah but there's a lot of broken PSVita out there that just needs some love to make em work.
This ram upgrade plus a cpu one would make a big difference.
Homebrew & emulators I could see benefiting.
Imagining the Xbox 360 SRAM upgraded into much higher one and its effects on performance
Honestly, I was just thinking about how I was surprised there wasn't already a 256mb ram mod last night. lol.
It would be really nice to see if the extra RAM makes a difference with particles and such. In Castlevania Curse of Darkness in the second stage when you kill the dragon a lot of smoke particles appear as the dragon disappears, I don't know about the Xbox but I remember that on the PS2 the smoke particles caused the frames to drop massively. It would be nice to see a comparison between the regular and the modded versions.
So, adding more ram to the Xbox can be like those "who can build the smallest portable Wii" mods?
Like just because you can do it
I guess I could see it maybe being useful for disk caching and stuff that could maybe help loading times in some games that don't do their own resource management well enough. Otherwise I could see it being useful for homebrew developers to have a bunch of extra debugging tools and stuff in memory during development, but it would imply they're doing kinda AAA game dev.
Oh great. Now I have to watch The Girl Next Door after that line. Sneaky sneaky
I think it is cool. The BIOS has to be rewritten, and the voltage monitored (when running) on the new RAM. Maybe turn up the voltage with hardware to get full speed out of them.
A custom dashboard with quick resume could be built
How awesome would that be.
Now we need full fledged windows xp or 2000 on this
This will be good for people who just need replacement RAM chips.
Interested to see if this will ever be possible on the PS2 as well.