Shepard versus Samara - Who'd win? Props to witchkingofriviaa over on Reddit for finding this detail - www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/xzfvog/samara_says_this_if_you_play_as_a_renegade_in_me2/
Only way to Samara is survive if try to face-off my Renegade Action Heroin Super Soldier FemShep is runaway while put in stasis PS: but Black Window will kill even a BattleMaster Krogen in one shot.
Seriously though, Samara has shown before that there are loopholes to the Code. She probably would allow Shepard to live after he/she saved the galaxy. Or she'd justify it by going after more malevolent targets, until she expired of old age etc. Ultimately I don't see her killing Shepard. And good, because in lore reality she'd probably destroy her/him in combat.
@@naamari honestly I doubt she could, yes she is a powerful biotic but don't forget she is just as Killable as Thane or Wrex, itd be pretty close at best but I can see Shepard coming out on top
Samara: Hello is this Kasumi Goto I need your shield disabling expertise! How much in mind melding would it cost to hire you I'm afraid jacob isn't something I have to offer but we can work on something. Wink wink
@@blaqk_soul Mark is better at literally everything. Jennifer Hale is a good voice actress etc, etc... But her Shepards voice acting... is such a trash. She doesn't even trying. She sound like a middle-aged divorced mother in bad mood 24/7 and frustrated about entire world around her. She's always almost whispering like she's never satisfied and ready to give that *sigh* And her renegade "threats" sound hilarious...
Honestly both responses at this point seem more like a plea than a threat, she does consider you a friend after everything you’ve done for her after all.
Maybe this is where the next game picks up: Shep wakes up and immediately has to escape a vengeful Justicar, offended that Shep buttered his toast on two sides, or some trivial violation of the Code.
considering even a human biotic have not an inch on a full-grown asari....She would slaughter him. She's been fighting all sorts of foes for longer than Shepard's been alive.
@@hansolav5924 the "all sorts of foes" are regular races that Shepard has faces as well, Shepard also faced much worst enemies (Geth, rachni ect) and he has allies, Samara is alone.. She would die, just like the rest of Shep's enemies
I didn’t really realize this the first couple of playthroughs but Sheperd is kind of regarded as a solider with seemingly no equal. They’re literally like the greatest warrior at that point in time. This is why someone like Wrex who is either as old or close to a Matriarchs age tells Grunt about Okeer being dead: Of course he is, Shepards with you, how can he be alive? On paper it feels weird because there are a lot of characters you’d think be able to handle Shepard. But basically Shepard knows how to deal with every type of opponent. Matriarchs included, ask Benezia
@@hansolav5924 Shepards killed stronger opponents than an experienced Matriarch like Samara, he’s killed multiple rogue spectres, Asari spectre included, he killed every eclipse biotic that tried to stop him in Samara’s very recruitment mission, who were also empowered by the red sand there, he’s beaten extreme odds on his own with the Skillian blitz and other fights, also Jack is the strongest human biotic the the lore and with her power she can match Samara’s power as shown in the biotic bubble segment on the collector base, and just like Samara, she is very capable of dying, Shepard isn’t a powerful biotic but he is a soldier with no equal on the battlefield
@@miragemain105 I am not aware at the present moment of any murdering aspect of great foes Shepard did Without Help. most significantly the Help of being the Main Character. The world is literally built around them. You cannot expect a world like that providing a proper example of anyone's ability. nevermind that Shepard has also died. from fighting random goons, at that. so yeah. On equal footing, A matriarch would wipe the floor with him one on one. as for the bubble sequence...invalid. If Jack had to struggle to do it, Samara should have managed easily. Jack is not powerful enough to break established lore. Even so, she IS the most powerful human biotic. so even a biotic shepard would not reach her level(ignoring the world-alterations needed to make a 'fun' game(by EA standards) Lore says one thing, game indicates another. By necessity, lore wins. cause if lore fails, why have it at all?
I actually chose to do a story path where Shepherd starts out full Paragon for the entirety of the first game but by 2 he slowly becomes a renegade and by 3 he succumbs to it before coming back around to Paragon
Idk I think samara and wrex are the two characters that could beat shepard (i know you can kill wrex in the game but shepard has to survive so I don't count that)
If you are some random npc that Might apply, but a beeing nearly powerful as a Matriarch, one of the mightyiest biotics in the whole Galaxy and also more than 10 the life expierience of Sheppard?
@@hel7695 logically for most individuals that would make sense, but with Shepard not so much. He's proven many times over that even someone like her would be wise to not mess with Shepard
Samara: Shepard, I’m glad to see you survived the war. Shepard: I’m glad to see you’re alright as well. Samara: … Shepard: … Samara: *biotics start glowing* Shepard: *starts running*
Interesting, I got this dialogue on a mostly paragon playthrough. That said, I gave the Collector Base to the Illusive Man, which was the only major renegade choice I made (only others were a few prompts here and there)
I feel like giving them the Collector Base makes sense for the story? Cerberus is indoctrinated and using Reaper tech in 3, that the Reapers also sort of don't want them using, or something (I believe this is about as far as they thought it through.)
@@digestivecookie7026 Tho I tested it out. My Renegon FemShep got this dialogue. I think you have to follow the Renegade Path and also be mostly Renegade during the Monastery Mission.
This should have been a dialogue option: Shepard: Would you really try to kill me? Samara: If you violate the code, then it would be necessary. *Renegade Option* Shepard steps into Samara's personal space and looks down at her until she breaks eye contact. Shepard: Do you think you could?
Not gonna lie, it would've been neat if Samara would actually try to kill you if you were too Renegade and told her through dialogue that you "don't care" or something.
any such scene would be quite brief. But I figure she'd still wait until after the reapers are done, considering 'the Shepard' is such a vital piece of the war effort. (funny though that they are not in the list on that terminal, though characters like Jack are. would have been nice to know just HOW useful S were for the war. :P)
Bruh Shep can wipe the floor with her. Wrex knows his place. So should she. Even Grunt and Jack acknowledge Shep’s superiority which this washed up samurai refuses to do xD
@@avasti3866 lol Shepard is borged out beyond recognition with combat implants, there's no way Samara has the slightest chance of defeating him in a straight fight. Asari are very frail and rely on Turians for combat because of this. Wrex is the only one who has a chance against Shepard. Those 4 billion credits on project Lazarus weren't just for reviving Shepard, it was also about turning him into a slaughterhouse.
@@xIcarus227 reread my comment, heavy on the plot armour. when it comes to power scaling characters mass effect has very flawed writing, especially in regards to characters like Kai Leng and Shepard. Objectively if we are only looking at the character’s lore - Samara is definitely a character who could beat shepard.
@@avasti3866 I agree that plot armor is sometimes ridiculous in ME (Kai Leng cutscene and first fight are complete facepalm) but Shepard doesn't have obvious instances of plot armor aside from a few reaper confrontations in ME3. It's easy to deduct that Shepard is actually abnormally capable, Liara even suggests that he's the strongest fighter she's ever seen in ME3. And what did Samara do exactly to make you think she'd be a good fight? The only things we've seen her be good at is track people down and defeat low-level eclipse mercs and basic reaper forces. And she obviously values infiltration over a straight up fight. Not to mention that no justicar have ever managed to defeat a spectre, the barrier of entry for spectres is simply much higher than it is for justicars, an order on the verge of disappearance. Again, asari are frail and not strong in a straight fight. She is very ill-equipped to deal with an in-your-face Shep class such as vanguard or soldier. The only classes I could see her beating is Infiltrator, Adept (she's the stronger biotic) or Engineer because these are support-type role - and even that's a pretty big if. Shep is still borged out, he's faster, more durable, and more accurate.
and as Shepard wakes up from the rubble of the Citadel after the Destroy Ending, an asari reaches out to him. Thinking it's his life partner, Liara, Shepard raises his hand only to to see Samara holding a big ass shotgun on her other hand saying "It's Code-ing Time".
Considering what Shepard does as renegade(Kill Wrex, Mordin, Eve, being an overall psychotic and evil asshole) I would say Shepard's the true villain here.
As Renegade Shep, I upset Joker after he mentions TipTree. I then move on to the Citadel shore leave, Joker is fine, then when it’s finished, suddenly not happy to see his best friend!
I guess I'm not most people as my Canon Shepperd is full Renegade. My first paragon playthrough was my second LE playthrough. Didn't feel natural. Renegade for Life 😉
Come to think of it, no renegade decision was unjust - nearly all the people you shoot (or allow your teammate to shoot) had it coming. She even advocates deleting the geth heretics even though it is the renegade decision. Zaeed's mission and Overlord DLC being the only exceptions.
I fail to see why this is rare. I play mostly renegade, some are repentant, some are not. All of them got this. My canon Shep actually looks forward to the confrontation. Kinda like that Wrex showdown with his Asari Commando friend in his ME1 conversations. In my head, that's how it happens.
@@smolshroom2893 Nah - even as renegade picking Morinth makes little sense. I mean Renegade Shep may despise Samara, but she is under Oath to him. Judging by how stiff the character is, it's a mighty safe bet to bank on Samara keeping her word - and possibly attempting to murder you after - rather than the daughter you just met that you know spends her life killing people with sex and enjoying a profligate lifestyle. Renegade isn't necessarily idiotic. I did save Morinth a couple of times, but as a rule of thumb it really isn't the majority of my Renegade runs.
Samara" "If you do something verifiably bad, once you kill the millions of million year old inconceivably advanced and intelligent beings I will have to hunt you down and kill you myself" Shepherd: "so you believe yourself more powerful than the reapers huh? Shall I sit back and let you kill them all then? no? well then sit down, buckle in, and shut the fuck up" We needed a renegade line along those lines to Samara she is one of my favorites but "once the reapers are defeated" is an empty threat at best
Samara never makes it this far with my RenShep. The Code's her thing, if she wants to get dramatic in the monastery, whatever. But it would be really interesting to have her try to hunt you down in ME4 if you'd been a bad boy. I might even keep her alive just for that.
Honestly. Renegade Shepard has 2 versions I believe. The Psycho Shep Version and the Sociopath Shep Version. The latter does regret his actions but sees them as necessary to stop the Reapers. Psycho obviously does it out of joy. So picking Samara over Morinth goes already in that direction that he is more of a Sociopath. He respects Samara in her believes but also knows that Honor will keep you from getting the job done. So I think he would accept the consequences if Samara would try to hunt him down but that doesnt mean he would give up. Psycho Shep wouldnt even be talking with her in ME3 bc he would have saved Morinth bc obviously she is way more powerful then Samara.
I'm surprised my Renegon Shep didn't get this conversation with Samara, I was pretty sure she was going to chew me out, but I guess still curing the genophage was enough to not trigger this one
I am concerned about all the people who think shep would win a fight with samara. He's just a stupid human, folks. Even a full biotic would not be a patch on her power. In-world, the ONLY thing to keep her from smearing a renegade shep across the floor is them being Vital to the War Effort.
I think an Adept or Vanguard Shepard could put up a fight, but I think Samara wins Mid/High-diff, she's just too good with a ton of experience under her belt. Although I question the ones who think a pure soldier Shepard would just shoot their way to victory, lol.
@@assassindancer914 Biotic are overrated even in the lore. Some of the best warriors in Mass Effect Lore are non-biotic, not to mention the Turian military commandos are considered as the most dangerous despite absence of biotic within their ranks, Saren for example, most dangerous and best specters, was a non-biotic before Sovereign modified him.
'even a full biotic' Biotics aren't a requirement to being a strong fighter. In fact the most successful characters in the ME universe aren't even biotics or are very weak biotics.
You know, in a game like Fallout New Vegas your characters will actually voice their disapproval towards specific choices you make -- such as activating a kill satellite for shits and giggles, which will cause your most level-headed companion to outright shout at you in disbelief, followed by him attacking you if you choose to respond like a psychopath. Meanwhile, Samara will threaten to kill you for having a high Renegade score, even if said score was accumulated purely through acting like a jackass or limiting your cruelty towards mooks and other meatbags. Not by, you know, doing actually reprehensible things like sabotaging the genophage cure which gave Wrex a legitimate reason to try and kill you. And this is why I deliberately had Samara die during the suicide mission. If I'm that irredeemable in her eyes, I might as well act the part.
I consider it a result of EA-bioware not understanding what 'renegade' IS. or perhaps rather being unable to present it properly. As it stands, 'renegade' is more or less just an asshole. There are critters out there MUCH more deserving of a good drubbing. That are not vital to defeating the reapers. so yeah. :)
@@hansolav5924 You know what makes this even more ridiculous? It's that in Mass Effect 1, your Paragon/Renegade score was completely inconsequential as that game relied on traditional charisma speech checks -- specifically, your Paragon/Renegade options required you to have high enough Charm/Intimidation skills, which you had to spend skill points to improve. Whether or not you wanted to be a boy scout or an asshole was up to you. In ME2 and 3, your Paragon/Renegade choices were tied directly to your karma meter. This meant that rather than not having good enough persuasion skills, the game would lock away dialogue choices from you because you weren't enough of a boy scout or an asshole, essentially punishing you for wanting to play as a morally nuanced character. So yes, you're absolutely right: Bioware clearly doesn't know how to properly present the morality of your actions...or rather, they did understand at first but then screwed it up for no particular reason.
Considering the shit Shepard has been up against, even head butting a krogan warlord at the bottom of the list, I doubt samara would be a tough fight……
*shakes head in despair* Without the protections of being a player character and vital to the war effort, Shepard would be a smear on the pavement in moments, should a centuries-old master biotic choose to fulfill her code in such a manner.
@@hansolav5924 You're extremely misinformed about how the verse works. Biotic is an ability, but it isn't a 'pay to win' power, in fact, many of the best soldiers, warriors or specters in Mass Effect are non-biotic, because even though it's extremely powerful in the lore, it doesn't out-scale technological powers and most importantly skills. There's 0 report of Justicars being able to beat a specter, 0. We even see in cinematics powerful biotic needing to flee (Jack in mE3) or being completely annihilated by non-biotic.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 she has life experience, and more experience fighting 1 on 1. Knowing how to survive in a battlefield isn't the same as a fight between two people. Samara could squash Shep's head like a melon with her biotics. Shep in a room with her is defenseless without a gun. (Pretty sure soldier class is cannon)
I sided with Morinth against Samara. Samara was an absolute liability and would have murdered my paragonagade Shep as soon as her contract was up. True evil is no shades of grey. I also shot Wrex and {insert other human Specter} because they drew on me. No one draws on Shep and survives.
I would think a genetically addicted serial killer well known for doing what ever she wants whenever she wants is a much higher liability than Samara 😂🤣
@@carloszestyboy2901 One can avoid death by just not snu snu'ing Morinth! It's that simple: she only preys on those that 1. get in her pants or 2. get in her way. My shep, who saved her, is NEITHER. Meanwhile, Samara over there is like "the MOMENT I'm no longer Oathbound, you're DONE". You could be 100% blue and she'd still find some crime you committed and it's over. Morinth, every time.
@angeloalvarez5520 Yeah, not even remotely close. Morinth seduced an entire village into worshipping her as a goddess and then threw them at her mother like cannon fodder. The lore establishes that she feels zero empathy or remorse for what she does. She does it because she’s addicted to the feeling of power. Samara’s code doesn’t discriminate but she outright states that she doesn’t want to know personal details of her targets because it makes it harder to complete the job. Morinth on the other hand is a complete psychopath that enjoys what she does.
@@carloszestyboy2901 Look at this from a self preservation perspective. If you get the option to kill Samara. It means that Shepherd resisted Morinth. Samara will likely kill Shepherd after the Reapers are subdued or destroyed. Obviously Morinth is awful and I like Samara. But this decision makes sense if you think of it as Shepherd covering their own ass. However, I get the feeling that Morinth is actually obsessed with Shepherd and would stalk them. So maybe you're right
new head cannon established. renegade shep chooses to destroy the Reapers, remembers this conversation and decides Samara is too scary and walks into the explosion. Edit: words are hard
Oh please, I couldn't stand paragon Shepard. I finished the trilogy 7 times as a renegade. In my first playthrough I didn't even have this conversation because Samara shot her head earlier. :V
Samara: you dishonored muh code cerberus bad collector base bad Also Samara: YOU WONT TAKE ME ALIVE IF I HAVE TO KILL YOU AND AS MANY INNOCENT TO GET AWAY FROM BEING DETAINED BY THE LAW IN ILLIUM THEN I WILL AND I SHALL BECAUSE MUH JUSTICARR CODES PERMITS IT. YOU HUMAN FIND MY DAUGHTER LOCATION NOW OR HEADS WILL ROLL.
I always found it odd that Samara is like this with a renagade Shep considering she's pretty renegade herself but I guess she does say your actions in ME2 are justified.
Shepard: You’d really try to kill me if I stepped over your line? Samara: Shepard, I literally killed my own daughter over this. You should know the answer to that question
She would put up a good fight but Shepard would kill her pretty easily, as they would every other companion. Shepard has no equal and no betters. Period.
Samara would definitely be her biggest threat, in a direct fight even if Shepard is an Adept or Vanguard, Samara has a whole ton of combat experience on her side. High diff for the winner, it would be an intense fight.
I find it hilarious how impotent and arbitrary the Renegade/Paragon system is. I did a full Renegade gauge filled playthrough of the trilogy but saved the rachni queen, saved Wrex, Maelon's Data, cured Genophage, brokered peace between Geth and Quarians but still got this line from Samara just because I sometimes act like a dick towards my enemies. Hell, I never even once punched Kallisa.
@MrHulthen Does this dialogue prevent you from romancing her in the citadel dlc even if u romanced her in #2? I tried save editing my renegade points away right before this conversion and still got it. Worried that it'll effect the romance later on when i roll the dlc.
Dude, you have to run Shore Leave DLC with every crew member at least once during your play throughs. After that, you can jerk around with all kinds of combinations.
@@hansolav5924 No, she really hasn’t. A full-Renegade can be a genocidal sociopath responsible for numerous extinctions. Your blueberry stands no chance against John Shepard, she can also be killed by him btw.
@@chadking375 I'm using the facts of the world. nothing else. given the right conditions, the Great Shepard could be killed by a spring-loaded rock to the eye. Without the protection of being a player character, they would be at the mercy of any Asari matriarch.
I like most of the companions too much to ever go renegade. However, if there were an airlock option, Ashley and Alenko would have gone bye bye long before Virmire. lol I don't mind the occasional renegade interrupt though. 😏
Alenko, I get. Ashley, tells me you have no understanding of her character. chances are you never bothered to learn her family's history, far less her own. A racist asshole, she is not.
@@aeli999 And I see no other reason for that attitude. she is no more boring or uninspired than any other team-mate. The one thing drawing her down compared to the others is that she's a human being. it's always been tough for such to measure up to aliens. :)
@@hansolav5924 So I'm not allowed to have my own opinion because it doesn't agree with yours? Whatever. I do not like Ashley Williams the character. Get over it. I also can't stand Cora and lots of people seem to like her. My opinion. Feel free to disagree, but also feel free to quit being a jerk to me because you don't agree with me. Go pester someone else because I'm done.
to be fair renegade by m3 wasnt evil enough to violate her code renegade is just soldeir get the j9b done nothing in renegade isnt done by the justicars themselfs
Honestly only me1 renegade shepard is a real ass. Not always but very often. Me2 is when the renegade path gets rally good and actually deserves the word renegade.
You can sabotage the genophage cure while Wrex is still alive, then shoot him later. Followed by letting the Quarians die to the Geth, even if you have the option to save both, letting Tali die. You can also shoot Kaiden/Ashley during the Cerberus citadel invasion if you intentionally never talk to them when you're on the Citadel. You can also ignore the bomb mission on Tuchanka and let that blow up. Many ways to do vile things, but not many are easily done accidentally especially if you play straight through ME1-ME3.
@@Terror_Official the quarians are the agressorss thats like saying if your friends with hitler lettingt the nazxis die is bad just because your friends with one doesnt make them the good guys their is actual reasons to sabatage the geniphage and wrex attacks u self defence isnt unethical kaidan and ashley pull a gun on u and are about let the cpouncil die your not oblighated to talk to somone
@@Terror_Official you can ignore any mission n any game basicly if it not the main thats not a talk on ethics plus the ethical nature of obligation to act is unethical in itself
@@demonic_myst4503 I don't quite follow if you're agreeing with the statement or not. The first three of my comment are non-optional as they're related to main missions. Yet none of the choices are required, as you have to have aligned previous decisions to reach that point in the Genophage line, the death of the Quarians on Rannoch, or the death of the Virmire Survivor in both ME1 and ME3. They are choices you make, even if it came about by ignoring something previously, same with the bomb mission on Tuchanka. The forgetful or the non-perceptive can breeze past that mission when the game makes it a big deal to go do it. By ignoring it a decision is made, by you or the game itself. Is this what you're pointing to?
Shepard versus Samara - Who'd win?
Props to witchkingofriviaa over on Reddit for finding this detail - www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/xzfvog/samara_says_this_if_you_play_as_a_renegade_in_me2/
Shepard would win high diff
My Biotic Shep will beat Samara to a pulp.
Shepard would win easily
Only way to Samara is survive if try to face-off my Renegade Action Heroin Super Soldier FemShep is runaway while put in stasis
PS: but Black Window will kill even a BattleMaster Krogen in one shot.
Samara, but then Jack would be so mad she’d kill her.
The reapers have been defeted. New objective: Survive
Assuming Shepard survives
That'd be the objective for Samara if she tried going after Shepard lol.
Seriously though, Samara has shown before that there are loopholes to the Code. She probably would allow Shepard to live after he/she saved the galaxy. Or she'd justify it by going after more malevolent targets, until she expired of old age etc.
Ultimately I don't see her killing Shepard. And good, because in lore reality she'd probably destroy her/him in combat.
Mass effect 4 spoiler
@@naamari honestly I doubt she could, yes she is a powerful biotic but don't forget she is just as Killable as Thane or Wrex, itd be pretty close at best but I can see Shepard coming out on top
Samara: Ill kill u if the war is over
Shepard: *Choose Control Ending
Also Shepard: I want u to try! *Reaper Sound
This is too perfect 🤣🤣🤣
Samara: *makes another Crucible*
Samara: Hello is this Kasumi Goto I need your shield disabling expertise! How much in mind melding would it cost to hire you
I'm afraid jacob isn't something I have to offer but we can work on something. Wink wink
Renegade Shepard is different from paragon even by voice tone. More confident, more determined.
Paragon Shepard doesn't need to adjust his tone. He is confident in his strength :)
That's why Mark Meer is better at renegade and Jennifer Hale as paragon.
Edit: though Jennifer Hale is frightening as renegade as well. Lol.
@@blaqk_soul Mark is better at literally everything. Jennifer Hale is a good voice actress etc, etc...
But her Shepards voice acting... is such a trash. She doesn't even trying. She sound like a middle-aged divorced mother in bad mood 24/7 and frustrated about entire world around her. She's always almost whispering like she's never satisfied and ready to give that *sigh*
And her renegade "threats" sound hilarious...
@@grunt7917 alright back into the pod
@@zacharymike2543 and who's gonna make me?
And when shepard beats the reapers, this threat seems so hollow in comparison.
it is :p
Honestly both responses at this point seem more like a plea than a threat, she does consider you a friend after everything you’ve done for her after all.
Maybe this is where the next game picks up: Shep wakes up and immediately has to escape a vengeful Justicar, offended that Shep buttered his toast on two sides, or some trivial violation of the Code.
I laughed way to hard at this
Or she's gonna be one of those people who hate pineapple on pizza...I mean...seriously, why all the hate? People put fish on pizza...
@@Bloodarcher43 thank you! There are bigger problems than putting pineapple one pizza. Like anchovies!
bloody hell, this made me laugh hahaha
I like how she threatened someone who is more than likely the most dangerous person in the Milky Way
considering even a human biotic have not an inch on a full-grown asari....She would slaughter him. She's been fighting all sorts of foes for longer than Shepard's been alive.
@@hansolav5924 the "all sorts of foes" are regular races that Shepard has faces as well, Shepard also faced much worst enemies (Geth, rachni ect) and he has allies, Samara is alone.. She would die, just like the rest of Shep's enemies
I didn’t really realize this the first couple of playthroughs but Sheperd is kind of regarded as a solider with seemingly no equal. They’re literally like the greatest warrior at that point in time. This is why someone like Wrex who is either as old or close to a Matriarchs age tells Grunt about Okeer being dead: Of course he is, Shepards with you, how can he be alive?
On paper it feels weird because there are a lot of characters you’d think be able to handle Shepard. But basically Shepard knows how to deal with every type of opponent. Matriarchs included, ask Benezia
@@hansolav5924 Shepards killed stronger opponents than an experienced Matriarch like Samara, he’s killed multiple rogue spectres, Asari spectre included, he killed every eclipse biotic that tried to stop him in Samara’s very recruitment mission, who were also empowered by the red sand there, he’s beaten extreme odds on his own with the Skillian blitz and other fights, also Jack is the strongest human biotic the the lore and with her power she can match Samara’s power as shown in the biotic bubble segment on the collector base, and just like Samara, she is very capable of dying, Shepard isn’t a powerful biotic but he is a soldier with no equal on the battlefield
@@miragemain105 I am not aware at the present moment of any murdering aspect of great foes Shepard did Without Help. most significantly the Help of being the Main Character. The world is literally built around them. You cannot expect a world like that providing a proper example of anyone's ability. nevermind that Shepard has also died. from fighting random goons, at that. so yeah. On equal footing, A matriarch would wipe the floor with him one on one. as for the bubble sequence...invalid. If Jack had to struggle to do it, Samara should have managed easily. Jack is not powerful enough to break established lore. Even so, she IS the most powerful human biotic. so even a biotic shepard would not reach her level(ignoring the world-alterations needed to make a 'fun' game(by EA standards) Lore says one thing, game indicates another. By necessity, lore wins. cause if lore fails, why have it at all?
Samara have is own vibe like the rest of the crew, I love how she's respectful 👍
Samara: "I will hunt you down & kill you after this. Respectfully."
@@MrHulthen 😂yeah
I could never make Samara angry at me. She’s too good a friend.
I actually chose to do a story path where Shepherd starts out full Paragon for the entirety of the first game but by 2 he slowly becomes a renegade and by 3 he succumbs to it before coming back around to Paragon
Secret Destroy ending, Shepard takes a breath and Samara shoots him in the face
I cackled at this ngl. Props!
Threatening Shepard is a good way to shorten your lifespan :D
Idk I think samara and wrex are the two characters that could beat shepard (i know you can kill wrex in the game but shepard has to survive so I don't count that)
@@seikoshinohara3084
Smh
@@seikoshinohara3084 Shepard would wreck them both 9 times out of 10
If you are some random npc that Might apply, but a beeing nearly powerful as a Matriarch, one of the mightyiest biotics in the whole Galaxy and also more than 10 the life expierience of Sheppard?
@@hel7695 logically for most individuals that would make sense, but with Shepard not so much. He's proven many times over that even someone like her would be wise to not mess with Shepard
The next Mass Effect game will be Shepard struggling to survive Samara's wrath.
Samara: Shepard, I’m glad to see you survived the war.
Shepard: I’m glad to see you’re alright as well.
Samara: …
Shepard: …
Samara: *biotics start glowing*
Shepard: *starts running*
If only we got an ending where Shepard lived mostly fine, and we got to play through the aftermath a bit doing missions for situations like this. :p
MrHulthen: "RARE dialogue!"
Me, who always go 70/30 Renegade: "I've seen this a hundred times."
This is the most elegant death threat I've heard
If you pick refusal, she will know.
Samara: Be good, or I'll end you.
Shepard: Please do try.
Interesting, I got this dialogue on a mostly paragon playthrough. That said, I gave the Collector Base to the Illusive Man, which was the only major renegade choice I made (only others were a few prompts here and there)
I feel like giving them the Collector Base makes sense for the story? Cerberus is indoctrinated and using Reaper tech in 3, that the Reapers also sort of don't want them using, or something (I believe this is about as far as they thought it through.)
Interesting. My old Paragon MaleShep gave the Collector Base to Cerberus and I still got the other Dialogue. 🤔
@@KritoSkywaker Maybe it was a “Conrad always thinks you threaten him” thing
@@digestivecookie7026
Tho I tested it out. My Renegon FemShep got this dialogue. I think you have to follow the Renegade Path and also be mostly Renegade during the Monastery Mission.
"Your reflection does you credit, but it is not enough" god damn that's a good line
I was looking for the Male Shep version of this! Thank you very much! 😊😊😊 I love the remorse he shows when he responses in the Paragon way. 😊
This should have been a dialogue option:
Shepard: Would you really try to kill me?
Samara: If you violate the code, then it would be necessary.
*Renegade Option*
Shepard steps into Samara's personal space and looks down at her until she breaks eye contact.
Shepard: Do you think you could?
Samara is 1000 yo. Such threat wouldn't flinch her
So if you choose control ending, Samara will hunt down and kill every reaper just to fulfill the code. Haha
Dontt leak ME4 plot dude
I must say, while I would never have the heart to upset anyone, these confrontational dialogues are more compelling.
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Samara is the most realxed person in the whole universe!
I only play renegade. It seems someone is not going to survive the suicide mission
Not gonna lie, it would've been neat if Samara would actually try to kill you if you were too Renegade and told her through dialogue that you "don't care" or something.
any such scene would be quite brief. But I figure she'd still wait until after the reapers are done, considering 'the Shepard' is such a vital piece of the war effort. (funny though that they are not in the list on that terminal, though characters like Jack are. would have been nice to know just HOW useful S were for the war. :P)
This was quite the warning, and with Samara, you only get one. 😅
Dishonor your code, dishonor your cow!
Samara mews harder than Shepard.
-Hackett out.
Thanks for posting this! It is quite intriguing.
I don’t particularly understand most of ME2 and 3 renegade choices. They don’t seem pragmatic.
Bruh Shep can wipe the floor with her. Wrex knows his place. So should she. Even Grunt and Jack acknowledge Shep’s superiority which this washed up samurai refuses to do xD
without plot armour of a controlled character, samara and wrex are clearing shepard w ease lmao
@@avasti3866 lol Shepard is borged out beyond recognition with combat implants, there's no way Samara has the slightest chance of defeating him in a straight fight. Asari are very frail and rely on Turians for combat because of this. Wrex is the only one who has a chance against Shepard.
Those 4 billion credits on project Lazarus weren't just for reviving Shepard, it was also about turning him into a slaughterhouse.
@@xIcarus227 reread my comment, heavy on the plot armour. when it comes to power scaling characters mass effect has very flawed writing, especially in regards to characters like Kai Leng and Shepard. Objectively if we are only looking at the character’s lore - Samara is definitely a character who could beat shepard.
@@avasti3866 I agree that plot armor is sometimes ridiculous in ME (Kai Leng cutscene and first fight are complete facepalm) but Shepard doesn't have obvious instances of plot armor aside from a few reaper confrontations in ME3. It's easy to deduct that Shepard is actually abnormally capable, Liara even suggests that he's the strongest fighter she's ever seen in ME3.
And what did Samara do exactly to make you think she'd be a good fight? The only things we've seen her be good at is track people down and defeat low-level eclipse mercs and basic reaper forces. And she obviously values infiltration over a straight up fight.
Not to mention that no justicar have ever managed to defeat a spectre, the barrier of entry for spectres is simply much higher than it is for justicars, an order on the verge of disappearance.
Again, asari are frail and not strong in a straight fight. She is very ill-equipped to deal with an in-your-face Shep class such as vanguard or soldier. The only classes I could see her beating is Infiltrator, Adept (she's the stronger biotic) or Engineer because these are support-type role - and even that's a pretty big if. Shep is still borged out, he's faster, more durable, and more accurate.
@@xIcarus227 character lore.
and as Shepard wakes up from the rubble of the Citadel after the Destroy Ending, an asari reaches out to him. Thinking it's his life partner, Liara, Shepard raises his hand only to to see Samara holding a big ass shotgun on her other hand saying "It's Code-ing Time".
Uh, Samara, I won't invite you to my party in the Wards apartment
I wanted to hear the and "If I did"? Option
Not to much change, as you can see in the end of this video
This is rare... i mean what renegade Shepard stops Samara quitting life 🤣
My Shepard is so renegade that he lets Morinth kill Samara in the 2nd game 😅
Renegade Shepard just feels like such a force a nature. Even when he’s facing the apocalypse, it just makes him angrier.
Mass Effect 4 foreshadowing, Samara as the main villain, hunting down Shepard
Considering what Shepard does as renegade(Kill Wrex, Mordin, Eve, being an overall psychotic and evil asshole) I would say Shepard's the true villain here.
As Renegade Shep, I upset Joker after he mentions TipTree. I then move on to the Citadel shore leave, Joker is fine, then when it’s finished, suddenly not happy to see his best friend!
stems from the 'apartment' not really being part of the game.
I guess I'm not most people as my Canon Shepperd is full Renegade. My first paragon playthrough was my second LE playthrough.
Didn't feel natural. Renegade for Life 😉
Making Samara angry is hard as betraying Wrex on ME3 or killing Mordin to prevent cure, again on ME3.
Once out of curiosity, will never do again.
Its cute that Samara thinks that she can apply her code to aliens or that she would be able to defeat Shepard.
tbf in the lore she probably could
It's cute that you think she couldn't kill shepard
Looks like Renegade Shepard made a 50,000 platinum trip to the med bay 😉
Come to think of it, no renegade decision was unjust - nearly all the people you shoot (or allow your teammate to shoot) had it coming. She even advocates deleting the geth heretics even though it is the renegade decision. Zaeed's mission and Overlord DLC being the only exceptions.
This is why saving Morinth makes sense from a roleplaying perspective.
i wonder if Shepard is still the lead in mass effect 4 will Samara go after you if your Renegade Shepard
Eeeek! I would never cross her.
I fail to see why this is rare. I play mostly renegade, some are repentant, some are not. All of them got this.
My canon Shep actually looks forward to the confrontation. Kinda like that Wrex showdown with his Asari Commando friend in his ME1 conversations.
In my head, that's how it happens.
Same here, i always play renegade, reasonable renegade though and still always get this dialogue, it ain't rare at all
according to Bioware, not that many people made renegade choices.
its kinda rare bc a renegade shep will most likely choose morinth anyways
@@smolshroom2893 Always felt that choosing Morinth was retarded, not renegade, Bioware kinda messed up there.
@@smolshroom2893 Nah - even as renegade picking Morinth makes little sense.
I mean Renegade Shep may despise Samara, but she is under Oath to him.
Judging by how stiff the character is, it's a mighty safe bet to bank on Samara keeping her word - and possibly attempting to murder you after - rather than the daughter you just met that you know spends her life killing people with sex and enjoying a profligate lifestyle.
Renegade isn't necessarily idiotic.
I did save Morinth a couple of times, but as a rule of thumb it really isn't the majority of my Renegade runs.
Samara" "If you do something verifiably bad, once you kill the millions of million year old inconceivably advanced and intelligent beings I will have to hunt you down and kill you myself"
Shepherd: "so you believe yourself more powerful than the reapers huh? Shall I sit back and let you kill them all then? no? well then sit down, buckle in, and shut the fuck up"
We needed a renegade line along those lines to Samara she is one of my favorites but "once the reapers are defeated" is an empty threat at best
Samara never makes it this far with my RenShep. The Code's her thing, if she wants to get dramatic in the monastery, whatever. But it would be really interesting to have her try to hunt you down in ME4 if you'd been a bad boy. I might even keep her alive just for that.
Honestly. Renegade Shepard has 2 versions I believe. The Psycho Shep Version and the Sociopath Shep Version. The latter does regret his actions but sees them as necessary to stop the Reapers. Psycho obviously does it out of joy. So picking Samara over Morinth goes already in that direction that he is more of a Sociopath. He respects Samara in her believes but also knows that Honor will keep you from getting the job done. So I think he would accept the consequences if Samara would try to hunt him down but that doesnt mean he would give up. Psycho Shep wouldnt even be talking with her in ME3 bc he would have saved Morinth bc obviously she is way more powerful then Samara.
I got this on my most recent playthrough. Don't do it, Samara. Don't... 😂
I'm surprised my Renegon Shep didn't get this conversation with Samara, I was pretty sure she was going to chew me out, but I guess still curing the genophage was enough to not trigger this one
I always got this outcome 😮
You are a bad boy, Shepard!
I am concerned about all the people who think shep would win a fight with samara. He's just a stupid human, folks. Even a full biotic would not be a patch on her power. In-world, the ONLY thing to keep her from smearing a renegade shep across the floor is them being Vital to the War Effort.
I think an Adept or Vanguard Shepard could put up a fight, but I think Samara wins Mid/High-diff, she's just too good with a ton of experience under her belt.
Although I question the ones who think a pure soldier Shepard would just shoot their way to victory, lol.
From a roleplaying perspective it makes sense to let Morinth kill her
@@assassindancer914
Biotic are overrated even in the lore.
Some of the best warriors in Mass Effect Lore are non-biotic, not to mention the Turian military commandos are considered as the most dangerous despite absence of biotic within their ranks, Saren for example, most dangerous and best specters, was a non-biotic before Sovereign modified him.
'even a full biotic'
Biotics aren't a requirement to being a strong fighter. In fact the most successful characters in the ME universe aren't even biotics or are very weak biotics.
Samara got nothing on The Biotic God.
you do know human biotics are like asari younglings, right? freaks like Jack might have given her a fight, but not shep.
You know, in a game like Fallout New Vegas your characters will actually voice their disapproval towards specific choices you make -- such as activating a kill satellite for shits and giggles, which will cause your most level-headed companion to outright shout at you in disbelief, followed by him attacking you if you choose to respond like a psychopath.
Meanwhile, Samara will threaten to kill you for having a high Renegade score, even if said score was accumulated purely through acting like a jackass or limiting your cruelty towards mooks and other meatbags. Not by, you know, doing actually reprehensible things like sabotaging the genophage cure which gave Wrex a legitimate reason to try and kill you.
And this is why I deliberately had Samara die during the suicide mission. If I'm that irredeemable in her eyes, I might as well act the part.
I consider it a result of EA-bioware not understanding what 'renegade' IS. or perhaps rather being unable to present it properly. As it stands, 'renegade' is more or less just an asshole. There are critters out there MUCH more deserving of a good drubbing. That are not vital to defeating the reapers. so yeah. :)
@@hansolav5924 You know what makes this even more ridiculous? It's that in Mass Effect 1, your Paragon/Renegade score was completely inconsequential as that game relied on traditional charisma speech checks -- specifically, your Paragon/Renegade options required you to have high enough Charm/Intimidation skills, which you had to spend skill points to improve. Whether or not you wanted to be a boy scout or an asshole was up to you.
In ME2 and 3, your Paragon/Renegade choices were tied directly to your karma meter. This meant that rather than not having good enough persuasion skills, the game would lock away dialogue choices from you because you weren't enough of a boy scout or an asshole, essentially punishing you for wanting to play as a morally nuanced character.
So yes, you're absolutely right: Bioware clearly doesn't know how to properly present the morality of your actions...or rather, they did understand at first but then screwed it up for no particular reason.
Considering the shit Shepard has been up against, even head butting a krogan warlord at the bottom of the list, I doubt samara would be a tough fight……
*shakes head in despair* Without the protections of being a player character and vital to the war effort, Shepard would be a smear on the pavement in moments, should a centuries-old master biotic choose to fulfill her code in such a manner.
Samara would destroy Shep lol
@@hansolav5924
You're extremely misinformed about how the verse works.
Biotic is an ability, but it isn't a 'pay to win' power, in fact, many of the best soldiers, warriors or specters in Mass Effect are non-biotic, because even though it's extremely powerful in the lore, it doesn't out-scale technological powers and most importantly skills.
There's 0 report of Justicars being able to beat a specter, 0.
We even see in cinematics powerful biotic needing to flee (Jack in mE3) or being completely annihilated by non-biotic.
@@angeloalvarez5520
Explain, how please, she is literally featless and doesn't has as much combat skill.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 she has life experience, and more experience fighting 1 on 1. Knowing how to survive in a battlefield isn't the same as a fight between two people. Samara could squash Shep's head like a melon with her biotics. Shep in a room with her is defenseless without a gun. (Pretty sure soldier class is cannon)
I love this thumbnail
Gotta hand it to Samara. Takes guts to threaten a soldier who's such a cold killer that his scars and eyes literally glow red
I posted this just a couple of days ago on mass effect reddit.
Yup, I added your thread as a reference above ^^
I sided with Morinth against Samara. Samara was an absolute liability and would have murdered my paragonagade Shep as soon as her contract was up. True evil is no shades of grey.
I also shot Wrex and {insert other human Specter} because they drew on me. No one draws on Shep and survives.
I would think a genetically addicted serial killer well known for doing what ever she wants whenever she wants is a much higher liability than Samara 😂🤣
@@carloszestyboy2901 One can avoid death by just not snu snu'ing Morinth! It's that simple: she only preys on those that 1. get in her pants or 2. get in her way. My shep, who saved her, is NEITHER.
Meanwhile, Samara over there is like "the MOMENT I'm no longer Oathbound, you're DONE". You could be 100% blue and she'd still find some crime you committed and it's over.
Morinth, every time.
@@carloszestyboy2901I don't think so. Morinth is grateful you saved her and knows seducing Shep won't work. Samara is far more of a threat
@angeloalvarez5520
Yeah, not even remotely close. Morinth seduced an entire village into worshipping her as a goddess and then threw them at her mother like cannon fodder. The lore establishes that she feels zero empathy or remorse for what she does. She does it because she’s addicted to the feeling of power. Samara’s code doesn’t discriminate but she outright states that she doesn’t want to know personal details of her targets because it makes it harder to complete the job. Morinth on the other hand is a complete psychopath that enjoys what she does.
@@carloszestyboy2901 Look at this from a self preservation perspective. If you get the option to kill Samara. It means that Shepherd resisted Morinth. Samara will likely kill Shepherd after the Reapers are subdued or destroyed. Obviously Morinth is awful and I like Samara. But this decision makes sense if you think of it as Shepherd covering their own ass. However, I get the feeling that Morinth is actually obsessed with Shepherd and would stalk them. So maybe you're right
new head cannon established.
renegade shep chooses to destroy the Reapers, remembers this conversation and decides Samara is too scary and walks into the explosion.
Edit: words are hard
That thumbnail tho
Oh please, I couldn't stand paragon Shepard. I finished the trilogy 7 times as a renegade. In my first playthrough I didn't even have this conversation because Samara shot her head earlier. :V
that face though
what I look like when I see pizza
I blame her Ardaht-Eilish daughter......iykyk 😂
Samara: you dishonored muh code cerberus bad collector base bad
Also
Samara: YOU WONT TAKE ME ALIVE IF I HAVE TO KILL YOU AND AS MANY INNOCENT TO GET AWAY FROM BEING DETAINED BY THE LAW IN ILLIUM THEN I WILL AND I SHALL BECAUSE MUH JUSTICARR CODES PERMITS IT. YOU HUMAN FIND MY DAUGHTER LOCATION NOW OR HEADS WILL ROLL.
she is like a mom he never had, i mean i am always choosing earthborn, so
I always found it odd that Samara is like this with a renagade Shep considering she's pretty renegade herself but I guess she does say your actions in ME2 are justified.
Shepard: You’d really try to kill me if I stepped over your line?
Samara: Shepard, I literally killed my own daughter over this. You should know the answer to that question
Samara best Jedi of the F-U group.
Would Samara prefer the galaxy be oppressed by Krogans?
Wait how exactly does that get triggered? I usually play rather renegade, Liike enough to get max renegade in 2 but never got this.
It's funny how it's a binary "are you renegade or not" when Asari Justiciars are the definition of (most) renegade choices.
Hey MrHulten,I know this is kinda a weird question but do you think that mass effect and dead space could have some connection?
Frankly, Samara should just be grateful Renegade Shepard didn't kill her instead of Morinth.
*Samara* is one of a handful of individuals in the entire galaxy that could legitimately kill Shepard......choose wisely 😬
She would put up a good fight but Shepard would kill her pretty easily, as they would every other companion.
Shepard has no equal and no betters. Period.
Samara would definitely be her biggest threat, in a direct fight even if Shepard is an Adept or Vanguard, Samara has a whole ton of combat experience on her side.
High diff for the winner, it would be an intense fight.
Only for a female Shepard.
I find it hilarious how impotent and arbitrary the Renegade/Paragon system is. I did a full Renegade gauge filled playthrough of the trilogy but saved the rachni queen, saved Wrex, Maelon's Data, cured Genophage, brokered peace between Geth and Quarians but still got this line from Samara just because I sometimes act like a dick towards my enemies. Hell, I never even once punched Kallisa.
Can Samara still be invited in the citadel dlc if you're renagade?
Yes
@MrHulthen Does this dialogue prevent you from romancing her in the citadel dlc even if u romanced her in #2? I tried save editing my renegade points away right before this conversion and still got it. Worried that it'll effect the romance later on when i roll the dlc.
I feel like I've missed so many interactions because I get everyone killed
Dude, you have to run Shore Leave DLC with every crew member at least once during your play throughs. After that, you can jerk around with all kinds of combinations.
Paragon is best
Samara threatens a vicious sociopath with a trend of backstabbing and bloodthirsty streak a galaxy wide, respect.
He's just a human. She's dealt with worse more times than shep has years.
@@hansolav5924 No, she really hasn’t. A full-Renegade can be a genocidal sociopath responsible for numerous extinctions.
Your blueberry stands no chance against John Shepard, she can also be killed by him btw.
@@chadking375 Only because he's a player character. Without that, he'd be helpless.
@@hansolav5924 What is wrong with you? You are all over this comment section, simping for an asari skank.
@@chadking375 I'm using the facts of the world. nothing else. given the right conditions, the Great Shepard could be killed by a spring-loaded rock to the eye. Without the protection of being a player character, they would be at the mercy of any Asari matriarch.
I rather be a Paragade or Renegon instead of being pure Renegade.
I like most of the companions too much to ever go renegade. However, if there were an airlock option, Ashley and Alenko would have gone bye bye long before Virmire. lol I don't mind the occasional renegade interrupt though. 😏
Alenko, I get. Ashley, tells me you have no understanding of her character. chances are you never bothered to learn her family's history, far less her own. A racist asshole, she is not.
@@hansolav5924 I didn't say anything about her being racist. I said I don't like the character.
@@aeli999 And I see no other reason for that attitude. she is no more boring or uninspired than any other team-mate. The one thing drawing her down compared to the others is that she's a human being. it's always been tough for such to measure up to aliens. :)
@@hansolav5924 So I'm not allowed to have my own opinion because it doesn't agree with yours? Whatever. I do not like Ashley Williams the character. Get over it. I also can't stand Cora and lots of people seem to like her. My opinion. Feel free to disagree, but also feel free to quit being a jerk to me because you don't agree with me. Go pester someone else because I'm done.
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to be fair renegade by m3 wasnt evil enough to violate her code renegade is just soldeir get the j9b done nothing in renegade isnt done by the justicars themselfs
Honestly only me1 renegade shepard is a real ass. Not always but very often. Me2 is when the renegade path gets rally good and actually deserves the word renegade.
You can sabotage the genophage cure while Wrex is still alive, then shoot him later. Followed by letting the Quarians die to the Geth, even if you have the option to save both, letting Tali die. You can also shoot Kaiden/Ashley during the Cerberus citadel invasion if you intentionally never talk to them when you're on the Citadel. You can also ignore the bomb mission on Tuchanka and let that blow up. Many ways to do vile things, but not many are easily done accidentally especially if you play straight through ME1-ME3.
@@Terror_Official the quarians are the agressorss thats like saying if your friends with hitler lettingt the nazxis die is bad just because your friends with one doesnt make them the good guys
their is actual reasons to sabatage the geniphage and wrex attacks u self defence isnt unethical
kaidan and ashley pull a gun on u and are about let the cpouncil die your not oblighated to talk to somone
@@Terror_Official you can ignore any mission n any game basicly if it not the main thats not a talk on ethics plus the ethical nature of obligation to act is unethical in itself
@@demonic_myst4503 I don't quite follow if you're agreeing with the statement or not. The first three of my comment are non-optional as they're related to main missions. Yet none of the choices are required, as you have to have aligned previous decisions to reach that point in the Genophage line, the death of the Quarians on Rannoch, or the death of the Virmire Survivor in both ME1 and ME3. They are choices you make, even if it came about by ignoring something previously, same with the bomb mission on Tuchanka. The forgetful or the non-perceptive can breeze past that mission when the game makes it a big deal to go do it. By ignoring it a decision is made, by you or the game itself. Is this what you're pointing to?
How exactly is this "rare"? Just be a renegade Shep and she'll say this every time. This is her standard dialog. Nothing rare about it.
Meh