I bought a lift 29.5 but kept my phase 4 29 for now. I’m having trouble deciding which one to keep. The p4 has a 28 mod, the lift has a 28.5 mod and the draw lengths feel similar. The big difference to me is the weight. The lift is noticeably lighter, but the P4 isn’t heavy, so weight won’t be a real factor for me. I continue to feel that the P4 is quieter and has less vibration. The P4 holds steadier and I attribute that to the weight. Both draw cycles are fine and feel like Mathews to me. I have the limbs all the way down on both and both mods are 60 lbs. The lift does have a place near the end of the draw that requires more effort. The lift is a touch faster but not enough to matter to me. I’m still not sure which I will keep, but I’m leaning P4. Both bows are worth it, it’s just personal preference.
Thanks for doing this video! I just bought a phase 4 over the summer, and I'm seriously considering swapping to the lift. In all honesty, from your test, I'd stick with the phase 4! That group is 100 times better! For me, I think it will come down to the draw cycle. I haven't tried the lift yet, but I'm not a big fan of the draw on the p4. I also shoot a 29, so the cycles are a little harsher on both bows from what I hear.
Thanks for sharing the video. I have a P4 29 and it’s great. I’m a decent shot, nothing special. If I’m being completely honest, as long as I execute the shot the way I should, I’ve gotten very similar accuracy and consistency from the Halon, V3, VXR, and P4. There are some differences in the bows of course, but similar good results. The Lift story is about less weight, new cams, factory string upgrade….I haven’t tried one yet, but I’m betting my results will be very similar to my other Mathews….so it will boil down to having something new and cool to mess around with. And there’s nothing wrong with that!
Finally a fair video. I have both bows and don’t think one is “better” than the other. I haven’t been able to find meaningful performance differences. Draw cycle on Phase 4 33 is easier but not as consistent as the lift. The weight savings gets lost when fully rigging your bow. Maybe the 1” reflex difference gives the slightest advantage to the lift. But overall both bows are awesome. Killed 3 doe and 1 buck with the phase 4 and the sound dampening was pretty remarkable. Didn’t seem like the deer reacted much to the shot.
Solid form dude. Mass weight without bars typically is Gona win out on hold as I’m sure you know. I’ve got them both as well I want to add some mass weight to the lift and compare them at the same mass weight with bars
It's always been the consensus that heavier is always a more stable platform which is kinda what you found out without the stabilizers. The P4 is a 1/2 lb heavier and that Hamskea Trinity is probably close to that much heavier than the QAD. A better test would probably be to shoot those ends with the stabs on one bow score it and then put the stab setup on the other bow and score it. They are similar enough bows that they will probably always be pretty close in score though.
I have a lift coming in the next week or so, hopefully. I'll be doing the same testing for myself to see which bow I'll be keeping, between the Lift 33" and the P4 33".
No cable rubbing on the cams issues? What’s the deal with some people complaining that the cable is rubbing the cams when drawing the lift… realy want to get this bow but has me a bit worried after reading about that stuff
My 2€’s- shooting at 60 yards is stretching it for accurate feedback? Unless you’re a highly accomplished archer. I would think something like 40 yards max would be a more realistic test. Of course, it’s all subjective because you’re outside in the wind etc. And one bow being new to you adds another dimension as you’re not really familiar with it. But, hey, it’s all in fun anyway. I enjoy your videos 👍👍👀
I sure would hate to shoot a none flighted 3d course with this guy out taking his own score😂 0 we will just call it a 5😂😂😂 final score at the end of the day 240😂😂
Open your mind brother. I'm not a Mathews fanboy by any means. I just bought the lift and it's my first Mathews bow. I got the elite omnia last year and I love it too. I will use both as needed depending on what I'm doing. Just cause prime is what you chose doesn't mean it's the best for everyone.
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Good comparison! Newer is not always better Thank you for sharing this
Thanks for watching!
I Love my Phase 4. I have a Lift coming and I can't wait to set it up and compare. Thanks for sharing your video!
You’re welcome! I loved both bows! The draw cycle is the best thing about the Lift in my opinion! Throw some stabilizers on it and she’s rock steady
Nice shooting. Always people hating, keep on doing your thing.
I ain’t worried about em 👊🏻 thanks man
I bought a lift 29.5 but kept my phase 4 29 for now. I’m having trouble deciding which one to keep. The p4 has a 28 mod, the lift has a 28.5 mod and the draw lengths feel similar. The big difference to me is the weight. The lift is noticeably lighter, but the P4 isn’t heavy, so weight won’t be a real factor for me. I continue to feel that the P4 is quieter and has less vibration. The P4 holds steadier and I attribute that to the weight. Both draw cycles are fine and feel like Mathews to me. I have the limbs all the way down on both and both mods are 60 lbs. The lift does have a place near the end of the draw that requires more effort. The lift is a touch faster but not enough to matter to me. I’m still not sure which I will keep, but I’m leaning P4. Both bows are worth it, it’s just personal preference.
I would try and run the lift at the same exact draw length as the p4. And see if anything changes.. but in the end shoot the one you shoot the best!
Seeing this, no regrets buying my first bow phase 4 ... 3 months ago (before releasing lift).
There’s nothing wrong with the P4!
Thanks for doing this video! I just bought a phase 4 over the summer, and I'm seriously considering swapping to the lift. In all honesty, from your test, I'd stick with the phase 4! That group is 100 times better! For me, I think it will come down to the draw cycle. I haven't tried the lift yet, but I'm not a big fan of the draw on the p4. I also shoot a 29, so the cycles are a little harsher on both bows from what I hear.
The only thing I can say is it could be that I was used to shooting the P4… I love the Lift and the draw cycle is amazing.. thanks for watching
Your phase 4 will be fine! Shoot what works best for you!
Thanks for the comparison man! I have the P4 33 and I really like it a lot. I’m a lefty so it’s going to be awhile before I can shoot the lift.
I loved my phase 4 until I shot the lift.. draw cycle is what sold me
@@dillonwalling that’s good too hear! 👍
Thanks for sharing the video. I have a P4 29 and it’s great. I’m a decent shot, nothing special. If I’m being completely honest, as long as I execute the shot the way I should, I’ve gotten very similar accuracy and consistency from the Halon, V3, VXR, and P4. There are some differences in the bows of course, but similar good results. The Lift story is about less weight, new cams, factory string upgrade….I haven’t tried one yet, but I’m betting my results will be very similar to my other Mathews….so it will boil down to having something new and cool to mess around with. And there’s nothing wrong with that!
Amen brother!
Finally a fair video. I have both bows and don’t think one is “better” than the other. I haven’t been able to find meaningful performance differences. Draw cycle on Phase 4 33 is easier but not as consistent as the lift. The weight savings gets lost when fully rigging your bow. Maybe the 1” reflex difference gives the slightest advantage to the lift. But overall both bows are awesome. Killed 3 doe and 1 buck with the phase 4 and the sound dampening was pretty remarkable. Didn’t seem like the deer reacted much to the shot.
Solid form dude. Mass weight without bars typically is Gona win out on hold as I’m sure you know. I’ve got them both as well I want to add some mass weight to the lift and compare them at the same mass weight with bars
I ended up adding one more ounce to my front bar vs the weight I was running on the Phase 4.. the Lift has been amazing so far!
🏹🎯
It's always been the consensus that heavier is always a more stable platform which is kinda what you found out without the stabilizers. The P4 is a 1/2 lb heavier and that Hamskea Trinity is probably close to that much heavier than the QAD. A better test would probably be to shoot those ends with the stabs on one bow score it and then put the stab setup on the other bow and score it. They are similar enough bows that they will probably always be pretty close in score though.
I have a lift coming in the next week or so, hopefully. I'll be doing the same testing for myself to see which bow I'll be keeping, between the Lift 33" and the P4 33".
Good idea… I chose the Lift and let my P4 go
@@dillonwalling that's probably what's gonna happen for me as well
@@user-rp7to3xk3o if you like a touch more aggressive draw cycle and a little shorter valley.. there’s no doubt you’ll be keep the Lift
I have phase 4 29 and I have the lift 29.5 both are awesome but I like to lift a little bit more
I like my Lift more as well! I just thought this would be an interesting video comparing bows without any stability added
Looks to me you need to sell that lift …I’ll take it off yr hands for 5$ awesome video
😅😅 thank you! I actually got rid of the Phase 4… I love the Lift rigged out with stabs it’s rock solid!
Did u have to swap out top hats on ur lift ?
No I didn’t, on the past few Mathews I’ve built I had to flip them in at least one cam.. this one tuned good with my hunting arrows
No cable rubbing on the cams issues? What’s the deal with some people complaining that the cable is rubbing the cams when drawing the lift… realy want to get this bow but has me a bit worried after reading about that stuff
@@matthewwollmann5803 I haven’t heard of that rumor yet..
My mans windage on the lift, is clearly off
Could be, both bows were shooting left.. doesn’t change the group size tho..
My 2€’s- shooting at 60 yards is stretching it for accurate feedback? Unless you’re a highly accomplished archer. I would think something like 40 yards max would be a more realistic test. Of course, it’s all subjective because you’re outside in the wind etc. And one bow being new to you adds another dimension as you’re not really familiar with it. But, hey, it’s all in fun anyway. I enjoy your videos 👍👍👀
Thank you!
I tend to shoot triple digits often… so 60 is pretty average for me
You could pass as Levi Morgan’s brother
How you know I’m not 👀👀
I sure would hate to shoot a none flighted 3d course with this guy out taking his own score😂 0 we will just call it a 5😂😂😂 final score at the end of the day 240😂😂
What if I was your judge
@@dillonwalling then I might get a check or belt buckle 🤣
I think you scored the lifts last round wrong should’ve been a 16 not a 20
There is a possibility! I was in a hurry making this video… looking back I think I scored those 2 arrows as 5s..
Fake news. That was the greatest group in the history of archery, ev-er
P4 is quieter
I don’t think so, the Lift just has a different sound.. a decimal meter would be nice to have in this video
Looking for sponsorships much.
Nah I buy all my stuff, but I’ll take what I can get! Spend your money on what makes you happy… like your fish.. have a good one
Neither... Prime bows..
Been there before
Prime lol
Open your mind brother. I'm not a Mathews fanboy by any means. I just bought the lift and it's my first Mathews bow. I got the elite omnia last year and I love it too. I will use both as needed depending on what I'm doing. Just cause prime is what you chose doesn't mean it's the best for everyone.