@@gustavmahler1466 Counter argument 1 Timothy 2:11-15 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent... It goes on. Word of advice don't quote the Bible when trying to show Christianity's "equality"
@@gustavmahler1466 that verse is out of context and has nothing to do with the current discussion. Here is every translation of that verse. biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-28.htm
@@gustavmahler1466 i sure did. Does it cancel out 98 percent of what the Bible says? Also in multiple translations that verse you quoted says "in fear of God" which is...scary
Thank you! I’m am 13 and have been noticing that everything in church is run by men, there is no important roles for women. It feels like we are less important. I kept thinking it was just me so I looked it up and found this, I’m glad I’m not so alone in my feelings.
@@kennydearest6519, hey, that's a tough situation to be in. You can reach out to myself or just about any of the folks who follow Lexi for support, encouragement or if things go bottom up, shelter. You are not alone. We see and hear you. There are literally thousands of kids in the exact situation. Hang in there, we have your back.
@@acetrades1524 There are also parents out here whose kids have been brainwashed into converting by friends at school....it TOTALLY sucks and causes a lot of pain and anguish!! I really think missionaries et al don't understand (do they even care?) the damage they do to families. Rational thinking is completely suspended. I totally agree with your comment to Kenny!
I was raised from age 10 on by two strong women, my mother and grandma. We were cultural Mormons, but quite "Jack." These women raised 4 kids to adulthood and did a bang-up job, despite financial adversity. One of the reasons I abandoned Mormonism was the overt misogyny. In the 1960's my mother got a bit of shunning and derision from Utah County Mormons. This was because she wasn't active and was a divorcee. To this day, I remember that. These two women were saints to me. They persevered and raised us to be good people.
"Do you really think I'm royalty? Then stop bossing me around!" Anastasia. You are a daughter of God, but stay in your place and obey, what?! We are all human and deserve to be treated equally. ❤️
Another reason why I left. I love kids but I don't want any. And women are more than procreation. What about the women who physically can't have them? Example, I can't. And my dad doesn't comprehend that I just don't want to (which is also true), but I cant have them. Its dangerous for me and that is okay.
Bitter about what? I am honestly happier and that by far more important than following a religion that i dont believe in. Go troll somewhere else, keyboard warrior.
I have to tell you what happened to me this week. I’ve had the same customer for 10 years now. He thought that it was appropriate to read a scripture to me at the end of our appointment. I let him, then divulged to him that I am not LDS. I blew him away. He stared at me, then said” how is this so?, you are so nice and helpful to me and I just can’t believe you are not” cause only LadS are nice and helpful in this world. I kindly thanked him because I am a great human being and that is all that matters.
I entered the MTC and my younger brother was in there with me. We had always dreamed of being in there together. We had a plan that when we saw each other we would give the biggest hug. The first night I had a meeting with one of the MTC presidency members. He had somehow found out my brother was there and told me when I see him I should not hug him, nor touch him, and I should “avoid the appearance of evil”. Being a kid, and always respecting the priesthood leaders.. I knew I had to follow although it broke my heart. A few days later I saw my brother. He came running to me with open arms! We hadn’t seen each other in over a month. As he approached me, I put my hands in front of me to push him away and as he got to me I stated “I can’t hug you!” He was devastated. Inside I was too, but I was doing what I was told. This memory still haunts me. 😭😭
@@yeboscrebo4451 Yes it was dramatic to push people away like that but she was misled, so it can be attributed to her religion rather than a character trait
I am also so happy that my daughter won't grow up in this mormon culture of "submission" I just wish the patriarchy was not such a strong, damaging, influence throughout all of American culture.
I usually like to skip ads when they pop up during RUclips videos, but I love watching them all the way to the end when they pop up on your channel. My favorite ads are the ones that come from the church. It makes me happy to know some of the money I waisted on tithing is finding its way back to a great person such as yourself. Keep up the great and marvelous work you are doing!
It's a nice fade - but some advice from me (currently with peacock hair) - when you dye it blast it with a hairdryer - it drives it into the hair shaft so there's less bleeding on washing and it lasts longer.
Love you Lexi. It made me laugh when you corrected yourself about polygamy stopping because of pressure from the state, I mean when god decided to end it.😂😂😂 Isnt it hard to believe that we use to fall for all that bullshit
I left the church partially because of cracks in the beliefs and Joseph Smith, but mainly because of the ward i was in. I realized after 24 years that there were people in it who never made an effort with me, and had never spoken to me for whatever reason. Reading the Scriptures, praying and paying your tithing is all very prim and proper.....but means nothing if you're not trying to actually be a nice person on the surface. There were people in my ward who hardly knew eachother. Church has to be social and welcoming. Your giving a lot of your own time to these people, and need something back. But i highly encourage people to not just totally go the other way. Drugs and alcohol are still not good for you. Always try to stay healthy. Good nutrition is important.
Funny, (divine roll) I spent a lot of time learning how not to be alone. I have learned a lot of female buttons and if my wife didn't show an interest in male buttons I wouldn't see this as a benefit. Dr. Laura Schlessinger and Dr. Ellen Kreidman (never were members) understand the strength that can come through real marriage. I'm not going to say we don't have some full grown boys with overbearing MALE EGOs but again I know some full grown girls lacking the ability to respect as well. Boy need be taught self discipline. Girls need be taught to respect. And for anyone that thinks girls are short changed is to selfish to see the bit in the mouth of all healthy males.
Shared! I really wish the members of my family that are members would realize how horrible they are being treated by the church. Especially my mom, who was told by priesthood leaders for 13 years to stay with my dad, who they knew was molesting and raping me. I hold the church almost as responsible as my dad for my abuse.
@@ExmoLex Thanks, Lexi! I really appreciate you and the effort you put into your channel. There are actually a lot of stories like my mom's, where women went to their priesthood leaders for help (which is what the leadership of the church tells the members to do) and were told to stay with abusive husbands. Not to mention all of the abuse that has been going on for years with "worthiness interviews". I'm not sure if you've done a video on that topic yet, but I'd LOVE to hear your thoughts.
A long time ago I knew a woman whose husband would get angry and slap her around. When she went to the bishop for help she was told she wasn't praying enough. She left both the church and her husband.
Or the argument that a women submits to her husband and he is only worthy of having her submit as long as he follows god. I hate this stance because it, once again, makes a mans relationship with god stronger, better, and closer than a women’s could ever hope to be.
I dated a guy for a month or so and I told him from the start I wanted to take it slow since it was my first serious relationship after calling off my engagement a year or so earlier. He agreed but a month later at dinner she told me that he knew we were suppose to get married and that I was sinning by being 24 and unmarried. He then continued with saying we were now engaged and that he expected me to quit my job, obey him, wear nothing but skirts and dresses, stop wearing makeup, and go back to my natural hair color because we would be married within a month and I would be expected to obey him and start having as many babies as the Lord wanted to give us. I had a great laugh as I grabbed by Cafe Rio salad and drink and left. My husband now, knew from the start that in the words of Cartman "I do what I want!" and he is perfectly fine with that! Hahahaha! And I watched that documentary years ago and it is heartbreaking! I'm so glad at least one of his wives have left with her children and in order for him to get out on parole he couldn't have any contact with her or their children!
When I was 16 I found myself in a extremely verbally abusive relationship. I was eventually raped later on in the relationship and the ONLY reason I stayed was because my mon sat me down and told me how it was my duty to serve him. I didn’t leave because I was afraid of disappointing my mom and I was afraid god would hate me. My mom had no idea what was going on but even then...
As an active member of the Church and priesthood holder, it saddens me that women out there feel “oppressed” by the sacred roles of men and women. I’m in my 30’s have been married 4 years and sure, I can receive revelation for my family...that revelation is nothing without my wife. If I receive revelation say, I need to move my family, if my wife doesn’t feel right about it, that’s where it ends. I respect my wife’s opinion as equal to my own. She’s my literal equal and her opinion holds equal weight in our relationship. Unrighteous dominion is never a righteous practice.
Curious how you feel about the words of your apostles concerning women? Or about the many changes to church policy and temple covenants over the years?
Exmo Lex I don’t know what aspect of the Church you experienced, but the Church I live in every day women are cherished, loved, and valued. The words of a living prophet far outweigh the teachings of a dead one. I genuinely watched your video, does it matter if different teachings from the past contradict one another? I grew up in an inactive, part-member family. My father actively ignored my mother and her wishes, and because of that they divorced in a very nasty and hateful way too. I made that promise despite not coming from a traditional member home that I would not repeat that cycle. My wife has hopes and dreams, and the standing rule is she can do what she wants and as long as she doesn’t cheat on me, she can live her life to the fullest. Maybe some unrighteous men in the church think otherwise, but I promise you there are some like me that value their spouse and also respect the teachings of the church. It’s not as difficult of a balance as you portray.
Bryan Jensen I agree that there are good men in the church. My husband was one of them. I’m not saying that all individual Mormon men are misogynistic, but the church as an organization is. It’s very convenient to say “old prophets don’t matter anymore.” But even if the word of a living prophet trumps the word of a past one, remember the words of the current living prophet: “Prophets are rarely popular. But we will always teach the truth!” So either he is lying, or the other ones were. You can’t have it both ways.
joseph, brigham, kimball, and the many hundreds of others are good examples of what happens when unbridled passions are allowed to dominate our lives. in all seriousness, would any man want to wait in the living room while some other man was doing his wife upstairs in the bedroom? no. but that's the kind of oppression that mormon women have had to deal with for 200 hundred years. now some mormon is going to comment "we don't practice polygamy anymore". to which i say, d&c 132 is still on the books, it still says watch it babe or i won't call you forth on the morning of the first resurrection. mormonism still oppresses women.
Many decades ago we lived next door to a family ruled over by an abusive father. Yelling and screaming were common. The wife often wore oversized sun glasses to hide her black eye(s). Yet this same "man" was one of the elders quorum teachers in our ward. The last time I ever attended an elders quorum meeting he gave a lesson I shall entitle - righteous use of the priesthood in the home. Basically, he entered into the part of the lesson where he advocated the priesthood holders duty and right to rule over his family righteously. At this point I'd had enough. I said, "You mean I should go home and insist my daughters submit their lives to someone like you?" This brought the lesson to an abrupt end. I got up and left, never to return. What an hypocrite.
Utah wanted statehood that is the only reason polygamy was officially stopped. Unofficially polygamy continued for years read about all the many times that the upper church leaders hit in the temples in part that was because of polygamy. If anybody tells you any different about the statehood issue their full you know what and they don't know what they're talkin about. I have always been unhappy about the way women were treated in the church. And frankly many Christian churches are the same way maybe to a lesser degree, but the same way.
i will post comments, and mormons answer saying we don't believe that. then i respond with cut and pastes, and they respond with don't try to tell me what i believe. it's complete denial. it's like hitting a brick wall. i'm with you how can people keep believing this stuff after seeing/hearing/reading/ being showed/having their nose rubbed in it?
You’re so amazing, truly. You have the ability to articulate complex topics and ideas in a way that is enjoyable to watch and also lets your wonderful personality shine through. Your youtube videos are so essential to understanding what the church is really like. Thank you!
I love love love your channel! I left the church 12 years ago and its taken me every bit of those 12 years to unlearn the things we are taught our whole lives. I'm just curious, have you read Wife No. 19 by Eliza Young? She was one of Brigham Young's wives and her story is just so heartbreaking. It opened my eyes up so much to just how much of a sick sociopath Jsmith was. That woman is so courageous and the book is very well written for a writer with little formal education in the late 1800's.
As an outsider, I’m curious to see if the KDS church ever allows women into the priesthood. Sounds unthinkable, but there was a time when it was unthinkable that people with black skin be allowed in.
In the temple initiatory, the women bestow blessings on the women prior to the endowment ceremony. When I had gone through the first time, I couldn't focus on the session because of the priesthood authority given to women in the temple.
The only time a child-parent role is ever good is if a consenting couple are having a BDSM roleplay. It's a kink that couples *do* have and is the *only* time it's acceptable, in my opinion.
The god counts women right along with the property that may be coveted in the Ten Commandments. How good is a god that makes women property? Is such a god worthy of worship? Can the perfect god exist if a person like you or I is better than him when it comes to how we treat women?
"So called experts". My doctor is a "so called gastroenterologist". Stephen King is a "so called author". And Rusty F Nelson is a "so called prophet". See how that works?
I am a stay at home mom. I was going to get all my 💩 in a pile. I thought to do lists would really help. So I made my list. Laundry, dishes and floors. Over and over and no one cares when I do them. No 1 says thanks. I need more in my life then house work. I do not believe "god" creates women to just breed and clean. Its depressing.
I recently discovered your channel and I just want to say THANK YOU! Everything you say resonates deeply with me. It is exactly how I feel. Sexism is such a huge deal for me right now. It has been the issue that got the ball rolling on me leaving the church. Something that has stuck with me is a recent picture of the 2020 general authorities where there are hundreds of male leaders and only 9 females. Ugh. Thank you for exploring this issue and many others. Listening to you makes me feel less alone with my feelings.
This relates to my current audio book. I am listening to the wheel of Time series and in this current book the leadership are unwilling to listen to the advice of their underlings even though those apprentices have experienced more than them. It gets so drastic to the point that the prideful leadership almost die merely since they were not humble enough to recognize they do not know everything! I do not view myself as a leader in my marriage, however I do stress about how my wife might naturally fall into the submissive role. We are still working on combatting the brainwash imposed upon our childhood. Also, I remember as a child I was asked to call on a family member, even my own mother, to say the meal prayer if my father was unable to attend since I was the oldest son. Yuck! Even back then I believe I would have preferred she took on the leading role there.
2013 - the first prayer given by a women at general conference...? Wow I've never noticed that. Joined the church in 2008, and never noticed that. Your videos give me a new perspective on different things like women's roles and racism. I've never really paid attention to all of this when I was in church as I was probably too busy in all of the multiple callings I had. I remember one thing that stuck in my head when I first attended a sacrament meeting in my life. All the men were wearing beautiful suits, ties and white shirts. While all the women were dressed as if they were very old fashioned and didn't pay attention to they way they looked like (compared to the men who always looked sharp). It was surprising to me as typically Russian women DO care a lot about their appearance. Plus once I read a comment of a woman who has a beautiful family and several kids, that if her man wants sex, she must give it to him even if she doesn't want it because he is her husband and his wish is her command. I felt so sorry for this beautiful woman. It should not be like that. Sex should be a mutual desire, not something that just a man gets when he wants... This would be a great topic to one of your next videos btw if some people would want to share some stories on that. Thank you 💗
I believe they taught the lamanites were cursed with a “skin of blackness” and became a “scourge unto the nephites.” In Mormonism, lamanites=evil, nephites=good, so essentially the “skin of blackness” remark was to paint any people of color as evil, because when the Mormon church was invented by Joseph smith, racism was alive and well.
@@elliefuller3667 Thanks for info and details. I was recently working with an ex Mormon so I became interested in these topics. I also escaped what many consider a cult, only it was pentecostal. Looking from outside in I'm amazed at how it just takes a little critical thinking to break down the insanity. On the inside its like your stuck in matrix and it's very hard to overcome the programming from within.
@@gezin82 Great comparison, it definitely seems that way. You’re so conditioned since childhood to believe in the make-believe that leaving it feels damn near impossible. Some people compare religious folks like Mormons to sheep, saying they’re all part of this sort of hive mind, no individualism whatsoever, and listen to their handlers no matter what. I’ve always thought it was more like lemmings, if the church leaders told them to jump off a cliff, they would not hesitate to do so, even if it’s detrimental to themselves. I really do hope the church leaders continue messing up and reinforcing negative, harmful “values” like sexism and homophobia in the church, because it will become a double edged sword, on the one hand it will lead to more people leaving once they accept that the church is hurting them more than helping, and on the other hand it will discourage new members from joining and it will show the world the church is NOT changing. But I have a feeling that in 20 or so years the world will be much more tolerant of others (or at least the US) and these false prophets will realize and make up some crap like “through earnest prayer we have learned that homosexuality is acceptable” or something like that. They will do quite literally ANYTHING to keep their members in the cult.
I enjoyed this video, and have been watching this channel for the last few months, as well as other 'ex mormon' channels. In fact, I've been on a research binge for three months, uncovering all the lies and frauds perpetuated by the Mormon church. I am agnostic, and have never been a Mormon (or any other faith) but I find the subject fascinating. I have a deep interest in religion, and especially as regards cults & control of thoughts, emotions and behaviour of cult members, so obviously Mormonism is a rich field of research in that area. A few months ago I met some Mormon missionaries, had about a dozen meetings with them, and also attended a few Mormon events (such as a baptism). I had NO intention of converting to Mormonism, but went along out of intellectual curiosity. While I feel I have researched so thoroughly over the last few months that I have found the truth regarding almost everything about Mormonism, there is one particular topic that I have not been able to find ANY information about online, and it's bugging me. It may seem a 'minor' issue, but when I went to these Mormon church services & events I was totally SHOCKED by the behaviour of young children there & the attitude of these children's parents towards their behaviour (I will give details on request). After each of these services and events I brought up my concerns about this to the Mormon missionaries and other Mormon churchgoers, asking what the 'policy' of the Mormon church was about this behaviour. Each time my concerns were brushed aside, and I was told there was no real 'policy' about this. I can't help feeling I was being LIED to in this respect, but as I said, I can't find any information on this issue. I know this has nothing to do with the topic of this video, but I would really like to discuss this with any ex Mormons to see if they can give me any information. Thanks in advance.
@Exmo Lex. Thanks for quick reply. I've been having problems with my email server over the last few days (messages not being sent or received) so I'll put the information in a comment here. The first time I went to a Mormon chapel service (with the missionaries) I described it afterwards as like "being in a monkey house". There were loads of young children screaming & shouting constantly, to the point at which I could hardly hear anything being said from the podium. None of their parents were doing anything to calm them down (in fact, they seemed to be actively encouraging them, bouncing them up and down on their knees & singing along with them etc). At one point in the interval, a boy who looked about 8 walked right down the front & started banging away on the organ keys. Then I went to a local conference, and things were so bad that I almost started shouting at some of the adults to control their children (I had to go out and have a cigarette to calm down). In front of me were two children (one aged about one year old) who were standing up on hard wooden pews, wrestling (& even biting !) each other alternating with lying on the pews & kicking their legs in the air. One of them had a kind of flexible glow stick and was standing on the pew right in front of me (facing away from the podium) and was 'whooshing' it about in front of me for about 15 minutes to the point I thought I was going to have an epileptic attack (flashing lights). Two seven year old girls behind me were constantly chattering about 'boys' in their class, and next to me was a girl about 12 constantly playing a game on her mobile phone (albeit with the volume down). Meanwhile, another young child in the pew in front of me was EATING a packet of felt tip pens, and throwing them all about. At NO point were any parents reprimanding these children or trying to stop them, even when they were engaged in dangerous behaviour (such as the one year old standing on a hard wooden pew from which he could have fallen off & injured himself). Meanwhile, once again I could hardly hear a word that was being said from the podium due to a constant background noise of chattering, wailing, screaming & shouting. It was like the sounds you would get in a horror film when somebody walks down the halls of a Victorian asylum. For the last 20 minutes, there was a baby screaming it's head off so loudly that I'm sure nobody could have heard anything that was being said from the podium. I had to restrain myself from finding the parents and saying to them "Stop being so fucking SELFISH ! Take that baby outside and the rest of us HEAR what's being said." The next time I went to a Mormon chapel service I was shocked to see kids coming in with big bags of toys (including toys that make NOISE and / or have flashing lights). Three young brothers (aged about 4 - 7) immediately pulled out loads of toys, knelt down in front of a pew (facing AWAY from the podium) and proceeded to play with them on the pew. Little children were running about unsupervised. Even ADULTS were behaving in ways that I can't imagine happening in ANY other church setting (such as eating food & having private conversations with each other whilst people on the podium were giving testimonies). All this shocked me because when I was young my family went to a mainstream Christian church, & everybody would pay attention to what was being said. You never talked to anybody else unless it was absolutely 'essential (e.g - 'You've dropped your hymn book') and if you did, you WHISPERED in. Yes, I know with VERY young kids (aged up to about three) it's hard to 'control' them, or make them understand the need to pay attention / be silent etc, but a lot of the kids I'm talking about were aged much older (a 12 year old girl playing on her mobile phone all through the service ! Sitting right next to her parents ! WTF !) In the church I went to as a kid, children LEARNED to behave during services, DIDN'T play with toys, and if a baby started screaming , one of the parents would take it outside. Since then, I've attended Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, Sikh temples & a few other Christian churches, and I've always seen well behaved children . Each time I mentioned afterwards how shocked I was at the children's behaviour, the Mormons just said "Some parents aren't very good at controlling their children" which I thought was a BULLSHIT response, particularly with regard to my genuine concerns about very young children jumping up and down on wooden pews from which they could fall off and crack their skulls. Also, what father isn't capable of telling his 12 year old daughter sitting next to him "Put your mobile phone away and listen to the sermon". This made me wonder if Mormons have a policy about allowing children just to do what they want in church (they can behave like screaming monkeys, eat felt tip pens. play with toys, chatter about boys in their class, play on their mobile phones etc) and they will still magically be "receiving the spirit" just by virtue of BEING THERE. ? Also, with regard to dangerous behaviour (such as jumping up and down on the pews) do Mormons believe that their children are magically 'protected' whilst in church ?
@@DaisyPumpkin23 when I was young I remember constantly being shushed and told to use my whisper voice. The mothers took the crying babies outside. I would say it was similar to your experience at other Christian denominations. After the meetings though I would go pretty crazy. I remember playing hide and seek running through the entire church. Most of the adults would just ignore me. Some Mormons consider themselves magically protected all the time. I knew several members that would drive recklessly, speeding, falling asleep at the wheel, jumping off cliffs, rock climbing cliffs with no protective gear, fire jumping, etc. And they were protected by God the whole time basically invisible. Maybe they were just young and dumb, but there was definitely a, "I'm protected by God so I can do anything." Needless to say there were some youth leaders that I wasn't aloud to drive very long distances with. I was also told repeatedly not to jump off anything at camp outings.
@Jayce - Thanks for your reply. The subject of 'protection from God' has reminded me of another question that I haven't been able to find an answer to. I saw a RUclips comment recently that said Mormon children are told that when they get baptised they'll get some kind of 'superpowers' (such as the ability to know if somebody is telling them lies or not, and have some kind of 'entity' watching over them 'protecting' them). This was only ONE RUclips comment, and I haven't been able to find any other sources to confirm whether this claim is true or not. Do you know anything about this ? The Mormon missionaries took me to one baptism of a child (a boy who looked about 9 years old) and I found the whole event very disturbing. This kid clearly had NO idea of the MEANING of what he was saying in his 'testimony' afterwards (perhaps he only agreed to be baptised on the promise of 'super powers' and imagined he'd be like Spiderman ?)) ~ "I believe the Book Of Mormon is true" (I'd be amazed if he'd even READ it !) "I I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet" (Did he even KNOW what a 'prophet' means, and has independently studied different accounts of the story of Joseph Smith ?) "I believe this is the one true church" ? (How can he possibly KNOW this, without an exhaustive study of comparative religion and a deep understanding of the multitude of other Christian denominations, and a good grounding in the Bible and Christian theology ?) Of course, this young kid was being PROMPTED by someone standing behind him TELLING him what to say. It was clear to anybody watching the whole service (without a Mormon bias) that this young kid had NO idea of the 'gravity' and meaning of the situation, and was just doing that thing young kids do of 'going along' with what the adults expected of him. and saying what they wanted him to say. He didn't seem to be taking it ''seriously' at all - giggling when the men put their hands on his head to infuse him with the 'holy spirit', and even minutes before the baptism started he was running around the hall in his white 'baptism suit' shooting a toy ray gun and wearing silly toy spectacles. This LACK of any 'sombre' preparation for the act of baptism runs counter to how it would be performed in ANY other kind of church. This is the big enigma I find about Mormonism. As I said, I'm an 'agnostic', but I'm 'wired' for spiritual experiences. I have had profound spiritual experiences at Sikh temples, Buddhist monasteries, even just walking in the countryside & appreciating nature. I've even started regularly attending my local Anglican church, and find the services beautiful. poetic, moving & uplifting. Yet the three times I went to a service at the Mormon chapel I found it absolutely 'spiritually' DEAD, and completely lacking in ANY kind of spiritual' atmosphere or tone of 'reverence'.. I have read half of The Book Of Mormon, but have found NOTHING 'spiritual' or 'poetic' in it, compared to some of the wonderful passages in The Bible, or in Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist religious texts. It's not only the worst 'holy book' I've ever read. It's the worst book I've ever read in ANY genre whatsoever. How can people get all teary eyed making 'testimonies' to a religion that (for me at least) is absolutely lacking in ANY kind of ability to induce genuine 'spiritual' experience ?
@@DaisyPumpkin23 Yes, Mormons do believe in those. The "Power of Discernment" and "The Holy Spirit" that tells them when things are right and wrong and or makes them feel things. Kind of like a spidey sense. It also protects them if something bad is about to happen. I've never seen the Power of Discernment work, and the feelings of the spirit are either voices in your imagination or feelings and hindsight used with cognitive bias. That's the problem with childhood indoctrination. For me when I was 8 it wasn't about getting super powers. I didn't even understand the spiritual side of it, it mostly just went over my head. I honestly still haven't read the entire BOM and at the time I knew pretty much nothing about Joseph Smith. I didn't know what it meant to "feel the Spirit" until I watched Zelph on a shelf's video about it. For me, I remember being really happy though because I was making my entire family unit and every adult happy by "choosing" to get baptized. It's not really a choice when it's the only option on the table and it means making your entire family proud or disappointed in you. They will also later use this against you if you want to leave. You should watch ExmoLex's video on baptism. It's very spot on. Even though I had never really felt the 'spiritual' things I was still very mush culturally Mormon until I was 24. I think for most people it's about sticking with their Tribe and the narratives that they know. It makes them feel good because they "know" all the answers and everyone around them is affirming the same narrative. Children are Prompted to bare their testimonies from the time they can talk. It was a common occurrence to have an adult whisper into a young child's ear at the pulpit exactly what to say on fast testimony meetings. After a lifetime of childhood indoctrination you're supposed to be able to regurgitate your own testimony. And once you repeat it enough times the human mind starts to believe it.
When the Anglican Church admitted women to the priesthood, and in due time they became bishops, the sky did not fall down! They have added enormously to the depth of experience and ministry. Anything else is misogyny, pure and simple. (Maybe that should be IMPURE) All other churches should go for equality and equity within themselves. Sadly some churches have further to go along that road than others. Some even don't allow their priests to marry. Consider the possible results which we have seen worldwide, because of this. In his time, Christ is most likely to have married, as that was the custom for all men in those days. Remember too that half the population is female, and deserves an equal voice in all matters theological and secular. Lord give all ministers strength, fairness and sound judgement. Correct those who promulgate a gospel of division and hate.
My wife is TBM and I'm not religious. I am not an authority over her and in practice no one else is either! We decide things as a partnership. There is absolutely no reason for a Dom/sub recipe for a relationship.
This reminded me of an experience I had with my dad when I was little. It may have been FHE; I’m not sure. He showed me a picture of a female minister baptizing a child. He asked me, “What’s wrong with this picture?” And I had no idea. Maybe the baptism shouldn’t have been done in a pool? Maybe the minister was holding her hands wrong? Maybe the kid wasn’t the right age? Nope. “A woman is performing the baptism.” That hadn’t even crossed my mind. I saw nothing wrong with that… until I was taught to. 😒
Now I feel more free to share my ideas at church. But some leader don't like what I say, it is not bad or against the church, but they don't like. A stake counselor had an interview with my husband and he ask him about me, and how I I'm sharering "my ideas" the wy he told him tells ne that he wanted that my husband makes me stop sharing and speaking. My husband didn't noticed but he explain him why I have been talking about some topics. At the end this man didn't say anything, he realized that my husband weren't going to stop me
It is well documented that Mormonism is not Christianity. That they use the same words with different meanings. I can't blame someone after leaving Mormonism to turn to atheism. Since they never knew Biblical Jesus. Since they never knew him how are they able to Judge him ? When you don't know him then you are justified in saying anything and have that mean whatever you say it means. This is true with anything that is considered a cult. Cults and Religions are not Christianity. Christianity is following the Biblical Jesus. To say one is atheist is acknowledging that the Biblical God does exist. Or the alternative is nothing and I mean nothing matter's. Obviously that is not your case. Deception is the nature of Mormonism and regardless if they slowly change policies. It is fundamentally against the WORD and is of the worldview.
@@okthennone There you are wrong. Do you really think that 11 of the 12 followers of Christ would give up there life for something imaginary? They were killed for there faith in Christ. To say that God is imaginary or that Jesus was not real is ignorance beyond comprehension to me. The book "The Case for Christ " written by a atheist at the time Lee Strobel is just one example that Christ is alive. He did his homework trying to disprove all this nonsense ,unlike you who have done nothing except what you think. And you are right nobody knows except the one with the Plan. The one who created us for his Glory and not our righteousness.
smith obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Let me ask you a couple of questions. Since you are so brilliant. 1. Where did you come from ? Where do you get morals from? Now since Jesus is a historical figure and has been proven that he existed in side and outside the Bible. Are your ancestors evolved fish or are you just random blah that only exists in your mind ?
@@jamesclark5310 I'm brilliant enough to know that it's pointless to try to have a meaningful discussion with somebody who has his mind shut down and doesn't want to be confused by facts or reason. So you just go back to sucking up to your imaginary friend and wallowing in your blissful ignorance.
@@ExmoLex it is hard to believe that your to scared. Those who make these videos are expressing there views. Right or wrong it is courageous. To step out of there comfort zone is admirable. How they are received is not the issue of the maker but of the respondent.
About submission to husband: Frankly, I am a passive, lazy, kind of person (I took after my DAD in this way lol), so I guess if I were to convert to LDS, which I'm considering, the "submission" would probably come naturally, and may actually make me feel more normal for who I already am... I am not a Mormon yet, but agnostic, leaning towards atheism, but considering converting.
I am combat veteran, and I have stopped believing in a "loving God" or any kind of god because of the things that have seen during my time at war. Seeing what this "loving God" is allowing people to do to other people ( we see the same things happening again in Ukraine) is truly appalling!!!! A "God" who supposedly has all this power, should not only be able to stop the atrocities or war crimes, he should be able to stop them from happening in the first place!!! Face it friends: THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!
This is sickening to hear all over again. I wanted an education and a career. If I got married and had kids, that would be great, but my ambition was science. They never had power over me in that regard.
This doctrine does not originate with Mormons. This is a teaching of Paul. A confirmed celebate said Men are better off without women and put them in second place. They were not to speak in church..they were to submit themselves to their husbands and cover their heads in church..and not hold any offices. I wish I had known this when I was a Mormon! It would got me out of speaking in church..which I hated! It would saved me from holding offices too! I am too late to tell them off with that one!
Recently found your channel! Happily newly subscribed :) thank you for your vids. I've always been curious about all religions (raised missouri synod lutheran myself, current non believer) Not sure if you follow comments from older vids but im curious: is it true mormon women can't get into heaven on their own merits and have to wait to be called up by their husbands? I was taught that by my pastor growing up. Thx and keep well!
Going to add a correction- I believe LDS men can be sealed to more than one woman regardless if the first one is dead. I never was “unsealed” from my ex-husband in the temple, and he is remarried in the temple. So unless I’m dead and unaware, I’m a polygamist wife for eternity 👍
@@pastmomo3959 Well, if it is true, the Celestial Kingdom has got to be one weird sight to behold with all of the threesomes and foursomes going on up there!
I've only _seen_ *ONE* polygamous relationship ever work out. As in 100% communicated, healthy, non-forced, etc. ONE. That's pretty sad if I'm being honest.
@@Dreammaster695 I never said _I_ was. However, if you want to get technical, we are polyamorous -- able to love many people. Clearly, I love my brother, but neither romantically, nor sexually (gross); however I love my husband both romantically _and_ sexually. A Navy friend was the polygamist, and wasn't interested in marriage, but married another friend of mine because she knew how much it meant to her. I've been out of touch for a while, so I don't know if my polyamorous friend is still with the same people, but all were on the exact same page when I last checked. It is a thing, and it clearly works for them, and as long as communication and healthy boundaries are in place, why should it bother me?
Or that he is at odds with his sexuality. I often play with the idea that good ole Joe Smith was asexually and only involved in so many women to create a power structure. Not the most plausible idea though, but fun to think of.
Appreciate the thoughtful video and heavens knows our girls/women deserve so much better than the hand they’ve been dealt. You mentioned 3 things, but there was a 4th that we’ve tried in our home - following your husband, so long as he’s following the Lord. If he’s not following, she’s off the hook. And I’d like to say additionally, that my understanding of true priesthood leadership is servant leadership. A servant leader isn’t consumed with enacting his agenda on everyone else (like a ceo, or political leader), but is far more vested in helping those he leads in helping them achieve their goals.
Ace Trades great concern. I don’t have a good answer. Putting trust in anything is high risk and vulnerable. The concept has certainly been used to reek havoc and manipulate the lives of many. I think it’s good to be aspirational and try, but fault no one for being burned and taking their ball and going home.
@@bennymcgreer4113 that was a great, well thought out honest answer. Ya, I got to that point as well, realized there wasn't sufficient evidence for any of the beliefs associated with things like the priesthood.
LDS church needs to evolve so women are equal, right now they answer only to men, why can't a woman become a bishop or a prophet? we are in 2023 not in 1800's, I recently met a woman missionary in Fort Lauderdale she said she wanted to become a missionary in Africa, I was thinking women are already oppressed in third world countries by men so basically LDS church want to go there and teach women to to be submissive to men and continue to be oppressed, instead of being equals, specially in corrupt third world countries were women have little chance of getting ahead, this makes no sense, LDS church please evolve and keep up with the times.
Yeah I left religion when I was 10, I saw the world around me was massive and was fortunate enough to go to a school with people from many different religions, asked my mom why I can't worship Allah like my friend abdul from school and she explained to me that we are Christians, then she explained to me the concept of religion. My mom told me that the 10year old me then asked her how was she sure that were praying to the right God lol I was a very curious little guy. As I grew older as got alot into studying physics and biology to a point when I was literally failing my exams because I was obsessed with only certain aspects of these subjects, like I got obsessed with theory of relativity and theory of evolution (I know completely different), even tho I was not a very good student :p, I got obsessed with these to a point when I was spending close to 10hours a day researching about this stuff, got some of it, some of it didn't make any sense but I still kept on reading. The universe still baffles me to this day, I've had major anxiety problems related to feeling isolated in the universe etc(I know I sound like a complete idiot) etc. But at this point religion is something so man made for me that I find it waste of my time to even talk about it now after obsessing over it for all my teen years. Your video was in my recommended list and I thought I should share this with everyone lol
Actually women can use the priesthood but only in the temple and of course you have to pay money usually. There's a lot of very weird facts out there in the gospel that most people don't know.
Some things I'd like to add: my mother couldn't be sealed with her adoptive father, my dad couldn't take up priest hood or some shit like that because he was divorced, my oldest brother was born when my mom was 19, and when I lived in Saratoga Springs for a year, and I realized this recently, everyone has the same fucking personality. Also, where can I get that shirt?!?
My parents never raised my sister to only be a mother and home maker that does everything her husband says without question. The explanations I’ve heard have been along the lines of ‘wife’s should respect their husbands because they have the pressures of leading the household’; husbands are also told to honor and love their wife. It was never anything so ugly in my church were women had to be so meekly submissive and treated like second hand people.
I have seen 2 documentaries on Tom Green and both videos may me sick. I wish I knew what happened to this family. He went to prison in the early 2000’s. Anyway to research this family? Just curious.
Dont Women have the right to their OWN joy also? They can lead too.. They SHOULD be able to make decisions about their OWN life.. If they want a job, or a place where they know can make a difference, they should be able to.. Now 6:11..They say the spirit will bear truth to us, well, right now, my own spirit is telling my stomach to empty a BUNCH of its contents... When are ya coming out with another video? Always awesome!! And right on correct too!!
Soo glad that my daughter won't grow up in an environment that encourages a woman's "submission" to a man.
@@gustavmahler1466 that's not how it works in Mormon heaven lol
@@gustavmahler1466 Counter argument 1 Timothy 2:11-15 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent... It goes on. Word of advice don't quote the Bible when trying to show Christianity's "equality"
@@gustavmahler1466 that verse is out of context and has nothing to do with the current discussion. Here is every translation of that verse. biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-28.htm
@@gustavmahler1466 i sure did. Does it cancel out 98 percent of what the Bible says? Also in multiple translations that verse you quoted says "in fear of God" which is...scary
This is a gross overstatement. The church is evil, but it does not teach make dominance. It enslaves uses men equally as it does women.
To have a happy marriage, the husband must treat his spouse as an equal.
To have a happy marriage, the woman must put in effort too.
@@MSRLR who said she shouldn't? you're raising an issue where there isn't one.
Thank you! I’m am 13 and have been noticing that everything in church is run by men, there is no important roles for women. It feels like we are less important. I kept thinking it was just me so I looked it up and found this, I’m glad I’m not so alone in my feelings.
I just want my parents to realize this. They're brainwashed and I'm sick of it.. I can't leave till I'm 18 so I'm suffering.
I’m sorry, that must be so hard! Hugs ♥️
@@ExmoLex Thanks
@@kennydearest6519, hey, that's a tough situation to be in. You can reach out to myself or just about any of the folks who follow Lexi for support, encouragement or if things go bottom up, shelter. You are not alone. We see and hear you. There are literally thousands of kids in the exact situation. Hang in there, we have your back.
@@acetrades1524 Thank you.
@@acetrades1524 There are also parents out here whose kids have been brainwashed into converting by friends at school....it TOTALLY sucks and causes a lot of pain and anguish!! I really think missionaries et al don't understand (do they even care?) the damage they do to families. Rational thinking is completely suspended. I totally agree with your comment to Kenny!
I was raised from age 10 on by two strong women, my mother and grandma. We were cultural Mormons, but quite "Jack." These women raised 4 kids to adulthood and did a bang-up job, despite financial adversity. One of the reasons I abandoned Mormonism was the overt misogyny. In the 1960's my mother got a bit of shunning and derision from Utah County Mormons. This was because she wasn't active and was a divorcee. To this day, I remember that. These two women were saints to me. They persevered and raised us to be good people.
"Do you really think I'm royalty? Then stop bossing me around!" Anastasia. You are a daughter of God, but stay in your place and obey, what?! We are all human and deserve to be treated equally. ❤️
Another reason why I left. I love kids but I don't want any. And women are more than procreation. What about the women who physically can't have them? Example, I can't. And my dad doesn't comprehend that I just don't want to (which is also true), but I cant have them. Its dangerous for me and that is okay.
Bitter about what? I am honestly happier and that by far more important than following a religion that i dont believe in. Go troll somewhere else, keyboard warrior.
I have to tell you what happened to me this week. I’ve had the same customer for 10 years now. He thought that it was appropriate to read a scripture to me at the end of our appointment. I let him, then divulged to him that I am not LDS. I blew him away. He stared at me, then said” how is this so?, you are so nice and helpful to me and I just can’t believe you are not” cause only LadS are nice and helpful in this world. I kindly thanked him because I am a great human being and that is all that matters.
So crazy that some Mormons are so trapped in their little bubble that they think the only nice people in the world are members of the church!!
I entered the MTC and my younger brother was in there with me. We had always dreamed of being in there together. We had a plan that when we saw each other we would give the biggest hug.
The first night I had a meeting with one of the MTC presidency members. He had somehow found out my brother was there and told me when I see him I should not hug him, nor touch him, and I should “avoid the appearance of evil”.
Being a kid, and always respecting the priesthood leaders.. I knew I had to follow although it broke my heart. A few days later I saw my brother. He came running to me with open arms! We hadn’t seen each other in over a month. As he approached me, I put my hands in front of me to push him away and as he got to me I stated “I can’t hug you!” He was devastated. Inside I was too, but I was doing what I was told. This memory still haunts me. 😭😭
@@yeboscrebo4451 Yes it was dramatic to push people away like that but she was misled, so it can be attributed to her religion rather than a character trait
Oh I’m so sorry 😢
There is no equality in Mormonism. Only pressure has caused any change at all. And the change is so minor it is embarrassing.
@@yeboscrebo4451 Small pen!s
I am also so happy that my daughter won't grow up in this mormon culture of "submission" I just wish the patriarchy was not such a strong, damaging, influence throughout all of American culture.
The feminism in this comment section is WAY worse, I assure you.
The patriarchy in saudi arabia is worse
I usually like to skip ads when they pop up during RUclips videos, but I love watching them all the way to the end when they pop up on your channel. My favorite ads are the ones that come from the church. It makes me happy to know some of the money I waisted on tithing is finding its way back to a great person such as yourself. Keep up the great and marvelous work you are doing!
I heard a rumor that if you bother to watch those ads, it makes more money for the Yutuber. GO YOU!...also hope that's true. ;)
I drives me nuts when people say they do not believe in science, they still go see a doctor when they are sick though!
Also, your blue “harlot hair” (jokes jokes lol) fades so pretty!! I love the aqua color it has gone to!
It's a nice fade - but some advice from me (currently with peacock hair) - when you dye it blast it with a hairdryer - it drives it into the hair shaft so there's less bleeding on washing and it lasts longer.
Love you Lexi. It made me laugh when you corrected yourself about polygamy stopping because of pressure from the state, I mean when god decided to end it.😂😂😂 Isnt it hard to believe that we use to fall for all that bullshit
The Princess Bride quote was expertly applied! Bravo!
Thanks for taking time to make this video. Cheering you on always 🤗
I left the church partially because of cracks in the beliefs and Joseph Smith, but mainly because of the ward i was in. I realized after 24 years that there were people in it who never made an effort with me, and had never spoken to me for whatever reason.
Reading the Scriptures, praying and paying your tithing is all very prim and proper.....but means nothing if you're not trying to actually be a nice person on the surface. There were people in my ward who hardly knew eachother. Church has to be social and welcoming. Your giving a lot of your own time to these people, and need something back.
But i highly encourage people to not just totally go the other way. Drugs and alcohol are still not good for you. Always try to stay healthy. Good nutrition is important.
Ugh this makes me sick. 🤮 I actually believed the whole “divine roll” garbage until I was out of Mormonism and realized how damaging it was.
Christie Anderson same!
Funny, (divine roll) I spent a lot of time learning how not to be alone. I have learned a lot of female buttons and if my wife didn't show an interest in male buttons I wouldn't see this as a benefit. Dr. Laura Schlessinger and Dr. Ellen Kreidman (never were members) understand the strength that can come through real marriage. I'm not going to say we don't have some full grown boys with overbearing MALE EGOs but again I know some full grown girls lacking the ability to respect as well. Boy need be taught self discipline. Girls need be taught to respect. And for anyone that thinks girls are short changed is to selfish to see the bit in the mouth of all healthy males.
Me too
John Taylor - OK Boomer!
My ex husband told me at least twice that I looked smarter with my close on... yeah ex husband
C Howard what a gross thing to say!
Honey. The sh*t was in his mind - not yours. Let him own it!
@@maryallen6334 believe me, I've seen how he interacts with his new wife. Smh, glad to be gone.
You have quickly rose to one of my favorite RUclipsrs!
Shared! I really wish the members of my family that are members would realize how horrible they are being treated by the church. Especially my mom, who was told by priesthood leaders for 13 years to stay with my dad, who they knew was molesting and raping me. I hold the church almost as responsible as my dad for my abuse.
I am so, so sorry! ):
So sorru to hear that. I'm an exmormon too.
@@ExmoLex Thanks, Lexi! I really appreciate you and the effort you put into your channel. There are actually a lot of stories like my mom's, where women went to their priesthood leaders for help (which is what the leadership of the church tells the members to do) and were told to stay with abusive husbands. Not to mention all of the abuse that has been going on for years with "worthiness interviews". I'm not sure if you've done a video on that topic yet, but I'd LOVE to hear your thoughts.
@@crafterdeidra thank you so much! Isn't it so nice to be free of such a toxic and negative influence in your life?
A long time ago I knew a woman whose husband would get angry and slap her around. When she went to the bishop for help she was told she wasn't praying enough. She left both the church and her husband.
Another excellent episode
Or the argument that a women submits to her husband and he is only worthy of having her submit as long as he follows god. I hate this stance because it, once again, makes a mans relationship with god stronger, better, and closer than a women’s could ever hope to be.
But but but but ...the Relief Society is the largest women's organiz-- I couldn't even finish saying that with a straight face.
I dated a guy for a month or so and I told him from the start I wanted to take it slow since it was my first serious relationship after calling off my engagement a year or so earlier. He agreed but a month later at dinner she told me that he knew we were suppose to get married and that I was sinning by being 24 and unmarried. He then continued with saying we were now engaged and that he expected me to quit my job, obey him, wear nothing but skirts and dresses, stop wearing makeup, and go back to my natural hair color because we would be married within a month and I would be expected to obey him and start having as many babies as the Lord wanted to give us. I had a great laugh as I grabbed by Cafe Rio salad and drink and left. My husband now, knew from the start that in the words of Cartman "I do what I want!" and he is perfectly fine with that! Hahahaha! And I watched that documentary years ago and it is heartbreaking! I'm so glad at least one of his wives have left with her children and in order for him to get out on parole he couldn't have any contact with her or their children!
When I was 16 I found myself in a extremely verbally abusive relationship. I was eventually raped later on in the relationship and the ONLY reason I stayed was because my mon sat me down and told me how it was my duty to serve him. I didn’t leave because I was afraid of disappointing my mom and I was afraid god would hate me. My mom had no idea what was going on but even then...
As an active member of the Church and priesthood holder, it saddens me that women out there feel “oppressed” by the sacred roles of men and women. I’m in my 30’s have been married 4 years and sure, I can receive revelation for my family...that revelation is nothing without my wife. If I receive revelation say, I need to move my family, if my wife doesn’t feel right about it, that’s where it ends. I respect my wife’s opinion as equal to my own. She’s my literal equal and her opinion holds equal weight in our relationship. Unrighteous dominion is never a righteous practice.
Curious how you feel about the words of your apostles concerning women? Or about the many changes to church policy and temple covenants over the years?
Exmo Lex I don’t know what aspect of the Church you experienced, but the Church I live in every day women are cherished, loved, and valued. The words of a living prophet far outweigh the teachings of a dead one. I genuinely watched your video, does it matter if different teachings from the past contradict one another? I grew up in an inactive, part-member family. My father actively ignored my mother and her wishes, and because of that they divorced in a very nasty and hateful way too. I made that promise despite not coming from a traditional member home that I would not repeat that cycle. My wife has hopes and dreams, and the standing rule is she can do what she wants and as long as she doesn’t cheat on me, she can live her life to the fullest. Maybe some unrighteous men in the church think otherwise, but I promise you there are some like me that value their spouse and also respect the teachings of the church. It’s not as difficult of a balance as you portray.
Bryan Jensen I agree that there are good men in the church. My husband was one of them. I’m not saying that all individual Mormon men are misogynistic, but the church as an organization is. It’s very convenient to say “old prophets don’t matter anymore.” But even if the word of a living prophet trumps the word of a past one, remember the words of the current living prophet: “Prophets are rarely popular. But we will always teach the truth!” So either he is lying, or the other ones were. You can’t have it both ways.
joseph, brigham, kimball, and the many hundreds of others are good examples of what happens when unbridled passions are allowed to dominate our lives. in all seriousness, would any man want to wait in the living room while some other man was doing his wife upstairs in the bedroom? no. but that's the kind of oppression that mormon women have had to deal with for 200 hundred years. now some mormon is going to comment "we don't practice polygamy anymore". to which i say, d&c 132 is still on the books, it still says watch it babe or i won't call you forth on the morning of the first resurrection. mormonism still oppresses women.
Many decades ago we lived next door to a family ruled over by an abusive father. Yelling and screaming were common. The wife often wore oversized sun glasses to hide her black eye(s). Yet this same "man" was one of the elders quorum teachers in our ward. The last time I ever attended an elders quorum meeting he gave a lesson I shall entitle - righteous use of the priesthood in the home. Basically, he entered into the part of the lesson where he advocated the priesthood holders duty and right to rule over his family righteously. At this point I'd had enough. I said, "You mean I should go home and insist my daughters submit their lives to someone like you?" This brought the lesson to an abrupt end. I got up and left, never to return.
What an hypocrite.
U lived next to him and never went over to comfort him or call the cops
Utah wanted statehood that is the only reason polygamy was officially stopped. Unofficially polygamy continued for years read about all the many times that the upper church leaders hit in the temples in part that was because of polygamy. If anybody tells you any different about the statehood issue their full you know what and they don't know what they're talkin about. I have always been unhappy about the way women were treated in the church. And frankly many Christian churches are the same way maybe to a lesser degree, but the same way.
How can people keep believing this stuff after seeing/hearing/reading how completely uninspired these men are?!? These quotes are so awful!
i will post comments, and mormons answer saying we don't believe that. then i respond with cut and pastes, and they respond with don't try to tell me what i believe. it's complete denial. it's like hitting a brick wall. i'm with you how can people keep believing this stuff after seeing/hearing/reading/ being showed/having their nose rubbed in it?
longnamenocansayy amen. It’s really just complete and utter cognitive dissonance, like you were saying.
You’re so amazing, truly. You have the ability to articulate complex topics and ideas in a way that is enjoyable to watch and also lets your wonderful personality shine through. Your youtube videos are so essential to understanding what the church is really like. Thank you!
I love love love your channel! I left the church 12 years ago and its taken me every bit of those 12 years to unlearn the things we are taught our whole lives. I'm just curious, have you read Wife No. 19 by Eliza Young? She was one of Brigham Young's wives and her story is just so heartbreaking. It opened my eyes up so much to just how much of a sick sociopath Jsmith was. That woman is so courageous and the book is very well written for a writer with little formal education in the late 1800's.
10/10 yet again. You are my voice. ❤️
As an outsider, I’m curious to see if the KDS church ever allows women into the priesthood. Sounds unthinkable, but there was a time when it was unthinkable that people with black skin be allowed in.
Bill Cook I think it could happen eventually, but it would be decades away.
In the temple initiatory, the women bestow blessings on the women prior to the endowment ceremony. When I had gone through the first time, I couldn't focus on the session because of the priesthood authority given to women in the temple.
The way the men speak to the women, so patronizing & condescending. I couldn’t handle how they would talk down to me like I was a dog.
The only time a child-parent role is ever good is if a consenting couple are having a BDSM roleplay. It's a kink that couples *do* have and is the *only* time it's acceptable, in my opinion.
You should start a Patreon
Love your videos
You should see about getting on the David Pakman Show or The Thinking Atheist
The god counts women right along with the property that may be coveted in the Ten Commandments. How good is a god that makes women property? Is such a god worthy of worship? Can the perfect god exist if a person like you or I is better than him when it comes to how we treat women?
Great video! Loved the "head, shoulders, knees and toes" song :)
"So called experts". My doctor is a "so called gastroenterologist". Stephen King is a "so called author". And Rusty F Nelson is a "so called prophet". See how that works?
King is worth millions
7:00 I cringed SO. FUCKING. HARD. I legit wanted to puke... I can’t believe someone with such so called “authority” could say such bullshit
I am a stay at home mom. I was going to get all my 💩 in a pile. I thought to do lists would really help. So I made my list. Laundry, dishes and floors. Over and over and no one cares when I do them. No 1 says thanks. I need more in my life then house work. I do not believe "god" creates women to just breed and clean. Its depressing.
Leaving a comment for support 😂
Preach, sister! 🙌🏻
I recently discovered your channel and I just want to say THANK YOU! Everything you say resonates deeply with me. It is exactly how I feel. Sexism is such a huge deal for me right now. It has been the issue that got the ball rolling on me leaving the church. Something that has stuck with me is a recent picture of the 2020 general authorities where there are hundreds of male leaders and only 9 females. Ugh. Thank you for exploring this issue and many others. Listening to you makes me feel less alone with my feelings.
This relates to my current audio book. I am listening to the wheel of Time series and in this current book the leadership are unwilling to listen to the advice of their underlings even though those apprentices have experienced more than them. It gets so drastic to the point that the prideful leadership almost die merely since they were not humble enough to recognize they do not know everything! I do not view myself as a leader in my marriage, however I do stress about how my wife might naturally fall into the submissive role. We are still working on combatting the brainwash imposed upon our childhood.
Also, I remember as a child I was asked to call on a family member, even my own mother, to say the meal prayer if my father was unable to attend since I was the oldest son. Yuck! Even back then I believe I would have preferred she took on the leading role there.
2013 - the first prayer given by a women at general conference...? Wow I've never noticed that. Joined the church in 2008, and never noticed that. Your videos give me a new perspective on different things like women's roles and racism. I've never really paid attention to all of this when I was in church as I was probably too busy in all of the multiple callings I had.
I remember one thing that stuck in my head when I first attended a sacrament meeting in my life. All the men were wearing beautiful suits, ties and white shirts. While all the women were dressed as if they were very old fashioned and didn't pay attention to they way they looked like (compared to the men who always looked sharp). It was surprising to me as typically Russian women DO care a lot about their appearance.
Plus once I read a comment of a woman who has a beautiful family and several kids, that if her man wants sex, she must give it to him even if she doesn't want it because he is her husband and his wish is her command. I felt so sorry for this beautiful woman. It should not be like that. Sex should be a mutual desire, not something that just a man gets when he wants... This would be a great topic to one of your next videos btw if some people would want to share some stories on that.
Thank you 💗
Another great video! Agreed with everything you said 100%.
7:00 I always thought the reason they covered them is because men have a problem with lusting after the back of knees and armpits🤔
Also this church taught blacks were cursed sons of Ham or had mark of Cain?
I believe they taught the lamanites were cursed with a “skin of blackness” and became a “scourge unto the nephites.” In Mormonism, lamanites=evil, nephites=good, so essentially the “skin of blackness” remark was to paint any people of color as evil, because when the Mormon church was invented by Joseph smith, racism was alive and well.
@@elliefuller3667 Thanks for info and details. I was recently working with an ex Mormon so I became interested in these topics.
I also escaped what many consider a cult, only it was pentecostal. Looking from outside in I'm amazed at how it just takes a little critical thinking to break down the insanity.
On the inside its like your stuck in matrix and it's very hard to overcome the programming from within.
@@gezin82 Great comparison, it definitely seems that way. You’re so conditioned since childhood to believe in the make-believe that leaving it feels damn near impossible. Some people compare religious folks like Mormons to sheep, saying they’re all part of this sort of hive mind, no individualism whatsoever, and listen to their handlers no matter what. I’ve always thought it was more like lemmings, if the church leaders told them to jump off a cliff, they would not hesitate to do so, even if it’s detrimental to themselves. I really do hope the church leaders continue messing up and reinforcing negative, harmful “values” like sexism and homophobia in the church, because it will become a double edged sword, on the one hand it will lead to more people leaving once they accept that the church is hurting them more than helping, and on the other hand it will discourage new members from joining and it will show the world the church is NOT changing. But I have a feeling that in 20 or so years the world will be much more tolerant of others (or at least the US) and these false prophets will realize and make up some crap like “through earnest prayer we have learned that homosexuality is acceptable” or something like that. They will do quite literally ANYTHING to keep their members in the cult.
Yeah, I was never comfortable with how women were treated... "Women can have children " yeah, well I am not a baby machine. My body is my own.
I enjoyed this video, and have been watching this channel for the last few months, as well as other 'ex mormon' channels. In fact, I've been on a research binge for three months, uncovering all the lies and frauds perpetuated by the Mormon church. I am agnostic, and have never been a Mormon (or any other faith) but I find the subject fascinating. I have a deep interest in religion, and especially as regards cults & control of thoughts, emotions and behaviour of cult members, so obviously Mormonism is a rich field of research in that area.
A few months ago I met some Mormon missionaries, had about a dozen meetings with them, and also attended a few Mormon events (such as a baptism). I had NO intention of converting to Mormonism, but went along out of intellectual curiosity.
While I feel I have researched so thoroughly over the last few months that I have found the truth regarding almost everything about Mormonism, there is one particular topic that I have not been able to find ANY information about online, and it's bugging me.
It may seem a 'minor' issue, but when I went to these Mormon church services & events I was totally SHOCKED by the behaviour of young children there & the attitude of these children's parents towards their behaviour (I will give details on request). After each of these services and events I brought up my concerns about this to the Mormon missionaries and other Mormon churchgoers, asking what the 'policy' of the Mormon church was about this behaviour. Each time my concerns were brushed aside, and I was told there was no real 'policy' about this. I can't help feeling I was being LIED to in this respect, but as I said, I can't find any information on this issue.
I know this has nothing to do with the topic of this video, but I would really like to discuss this with any ex Mormons to see if they can give me any information. Thanks in advance.
I’m extremely curious. Can you email me more info? exmolex@gmail.com
@Exmo Lex. Thanks for quick reply. I've been having problems with my email server over the last few days (messages not being sent or received) so I'll put the information in a comment here.
The first time I went to a Mormon chapel service (with the missionaries) I described it afterwards as like "being in a monkey house". There were loads of young children screaming & shouting constantly, to the point at which I could hardly hear anything being said from the podium. None of their parents were doing anything to calm them down (in fact, they seemed to be actively encouraging them, bouncing them up and down on their knees & singing along with them etc). At one point in the interval, a boy who looked about 8 walked right down the front & started banging away on the organ keys.
Then I went to a local conference, and things were so bad that I almost started shouting at some of the adults to control their children (I had to go out and have a cigarette to calm down). In front of me were two children (one aged about one year old) who were standing up on hard wooden pews, wrestling (& even biting !) each other alternating with lying on the pews & kicking their legs in the air. One of them had a kind of flexible glow stick and was standing on the pew right in front of me (facing away from the podium) and was 'whooshing' it about in front of me for about 15 minutes to the point I thought I was going to have an epileptic attack (flashing lights). Two seven year old girls behind me were constantly chattering about 'boys' in their class, and next to me was a girl about 12 constantly playing a game on her mobile phone (albeit with the volume down). Meanwhile, another young child in the pew in front of me was EATING a packet of felt tip pens, and throwing them all about. At NO point were any parents reprimanding these children or trying to stop them, even when they were engaged in dangerous behaviour (such as the one year old standing on a hard wooden pew from which he could have fallen off & injured himself).
Meanwhile, once again I could hardly hear a word that was being said from the podium due to a constant background noise of chattering, wailing, screaming & shouting. It was like the sounds you would get in a horror film when somebody walks down the halls of a Victorian asylum.
For the last 20 minutes, there was a baby screaming it's head off so loudly that I'm sure nobody could have heard anything that was being said from the podium. I had to restrain myself from finding the parents and saying to them "Stop being so fucking SELFISH ! Take that baby outside and the rest of us HEAR what's being said."
The next time I went to a Mormon chapel service I was shocked to see kids coming in with big bags of toys (including toys that make NOISE and / or have flashing lights). Three young brothers (aged about 4 - 7) immediately pulled out loads of toys, knelt down in front of a pew (facing AWAY from the podium) and proceeded to play with them on the pew. Little children were running about unsupervised.
Even ADULTS were behaving in ways that I can't imagine happening in ANY other church setting (such as eating food & having private conversations with each other whilst people on the podium were giving testimonies).
All this shocked me because when I was young my family went to a mainstream Christian church, & everybody would pay attention to what was being said. You never talked to anybody else unless it was absolutely 'essential (e.g - 'You've dropped your hymn book') and if you did, you WHISPERED in.
Yes, I know with VERY young kids (aged up to about three) it's hard to 'control' them, or make them understand the need to pay attention / be silent etc, but a lot of the kids I'm talking about were aged much older (a 12 year old girl playing on her mobile phone all through the service ! Sitting right next to her parents ! WTF !)
In the church I went to as a kid, children LEARNED to behave during services, DIDN'T play with toys, and if a baby started screaming , one of the parents would take it outside. Since then, I've attended Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, Sikh temples & a few other Christian churches, and I've always seen well behaved children .
Each time I mentioned afterwards how shocked I was at the children's behaviour, the Mormons just said "Some parents aren't very good at controlling their children" which I thought was a BULLSHIT response, particularly with regard to my genuine concerns about very young children jumping up and down on wooden pews from which they could fall off and crack their skulls. Also, what father isn't capable of telling his 12 year old daughter sitting next to him "Put your mobile phone away and listen to the sermon".
This made me wonder if Mormons have a policy about allowing children just to do what they want in church (they can behave like screaming monkeys, eat felt tip pens. play with toys, chatter about boys in their class, play on their mobile phones etc) and they will still magically be "receiving the spirit" just by virtue of BEING THERE. ? Also, with regard to dangerous behaviour (such as jumping up and down on the pews) do Mormons believe that their children are magically 'protected' whilst in church ?
@@DaisyPumpkin23 when I was young I remember constantly being shushed and told to use my whisper voice. The mothers took the crying babies outside. I would say it was similar to your experience at other Christian denominations. After the meetings though I would go pretty crazy. I remember playing hide and seek running through the entire church. Most of the adults would just ignore me.
Some Mormons consider themselves magically protected all the time. I knew several members that would drive recklessly, speeding, falling asleep at the wheel, jumping off cliffs, rock climbing cliffs with no protective gear, fire jumping, etc. And they were protected by God the whole time basically invisible. Maybe they were just young and dumb, but there was definitely a, "I'm protected by God so I can do anything."
Needless to say there were some youth leaders that I wasn't aloud to drive very long distances with. I was also told repeatedly not to jump off anything at camp outings.
@Jayce - Thanks for your reply. The subject of 'protection from God' has reminded me of another question that I haven't been able to find an answer to. I saw a RUclips comment recently that said Mormon children are told that when they get baptised they'll get some kind of 'superpowers' (such as the ability to know if somebody is telling them lies or not, and have some kind of 'entity' watching over them 'protecting' them). This was only ONE RUclips comment, and I haven't been able to find any other sources to confirm whether this claim is true or not. Do you know anything about this ?
The Mormon missionaries took me to one baptism of a child (a boy who looked about 9 years old) and I found the whole event very disturbing. This kid clearly had NO idea of the MEANING of what he was saying in his 'testimony' afterwards (perhaps he only agreed to be baptised on the promise of 'super powers' and imagined he'd be like Spiderman ?)) ~
"I believe the Book Of Mormon is true" (I'd be amazed if he'd even READ it !)
"I I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet" (Did he even KNOW what a 'prophet' means, and has independently studied different accounts of the story of Joseph Smith ?)
"I believe this is the one true church" ? (How can he possibly KNOW this, without an exhaustive study of comparative religion and a deep understanding of the multitude of other Christian denominations, and a good grounding in the Bible and Christian theology ?)
Of course, this young kid was being PROMPTED by someone standing behind him TELLING him what to say.
It was clear to anybody watching the whole service (without a Mormon bias) that this young kid had NO idea of the 'gravity' and meaning of the situation, and was just doing that thing young kids do of 'going along' with what the adults expected of him. and saying what they wanted him to say.
He didn't seem to be taking it ''seriously' at all - giggling when the men put their hands on his head to infuse him with the 'holy spirit', and even minutes before the baptism started he was running around the hall in his white 'baptism suit' shooting a toy ray gun and wearing silly toy spectacles. This LACK of any 'sombre' preparation for the act of baptism runs counter to how it would be performed in ANY other kind of church.
This is the big enigma I find about Mormonism. As I said, I'm an 'agnostic', but I'm 'wired' for spiritual experiences. I have had profound spiritual experiences at Sikh temples, Buddhist monasteries, even just walking in the countryside & appreciating nature. I've even started regularly attending my local Anglican church, and find the services beautiful. poetic, moving & uplifting.
Yet the three times I went to a service at the Mormon chapel I found it absolutely 'spiritually' DEAD, and completely lacking in ANY kind of spiritual' atmosphere or tone of 'reverence'..
I have read half of The Book Of Mormon, but have found NOTHING 'spiritual' or 'poetic' in it, compared to some of the wonderful passages in The Bible, or in Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist religious texts. It's not only the worst 'holy book' I've ever read. It's the worst book I've ever read in ANY genre whatsoever.
How can people get all teary eyed making 'testimonies' to a religion that (for me at least) is absolutely lacking in ANY kind of ability to induce genuine 'spiritual' experience ?
@@DaisyPumpkin23 Yes, Mormons do believe in those. The "Power of Discernment" and "The Holy Spirit" that tells them when things are right and wrong and or makes them feel things. Kind of like a spidey sense. It also protects them if something bad is about to happen. I've never seen the Power of Discernment work, and the feelings of the spirit are either voices in your imagination or feelings and hindsight used with cognitive bias.
That's the problem with childhood indoctrination. For me when I was 8 it wasn't about getting super powers. I didn't even understand the spiritual side of it, it mostly just went over my head. I honestly still haven't read the entire BOM and at the time I knew pretty much nothing about Joseph Smith. I didn't know what it meant to "feel the Spirit" until I watched Zelph on a shelf's video about it.
For me, I remember being really happy though because I was making my entire family unit and every adult happy by "choosing" to get baptized. It's not really a choice when it's the only option on the table and it means making your entire family proud or disappointed in you. They will also later use this against you if you want to leave. You should watch ExmoLex's video on baptism. It's very spot on.
Even though I had never really felt the 'spiritual' things I was still very mush culturally Mormon until I was 24. I think for most people it's about sticking with their Tribe and the narratives that they know. It makes them feel good because they "know" all the answers and everyone around them is affirming the same narrative.
Children are Prompted to bare their testimonies from the time they can talk. It was a common occurrence to have an adult whisper into a young child's ear at the pulpit exactly what to say on fast testimony meetings. After a lifetime of childhood indoctrination you're supposed to be able to regurgitate your own testimony. And once you repeat it enough times the human mind starts to believe it.
When the Anglican Church admitted women to the priesthood, and in due time they became bishops, the sky did not fall down!
They have added enormously to the depth of experience and ministry.
Anything else is misogyny, pure and simple. (Maybe that should be IMPURE)
All other churches should go for equality and equity within themselves.
Sadly some churches have further to go along that road than others.
Some even don't allow their priests to marry. Consider the possible results which we have seen worldwide, because of this.
In his time, Christ is most likely to have married, as that was the custom for all men in those days.
Remember too that half the population is female, and deserves an equal voice in all matters theological and secular.
Lord give all ministers strength, fairness and sound judgement.
Correct those who promulgate a gospel of division and hate.
My wife is TBM and I'm not religious. I am not an authority over her and in practice no one else is either! We decide things as a partnership. There is absolutely no reason for a Dom/sub recipe for a relationship.
This reminded me of an experience I had with my dad when I was little. It may have been FHE; I’m not sure. He showed me a picture of a female minister baptizing a child. He asked me, “What’s wrong with this picture?” And I had no idea. Maybe the baptism shouldn’t have been done in a pool? Maybe the minister was holding her hands wrong? Maybe the kid wasn’t the right age? Nope. “A woman is performing the baptism.” That hadn’t even crossed my mind. I saw nothing wrong with that… until I was taught to. 😒
Sorry, just on a comment spree tonight, BUT. If God were setting these guidelines for women...it wouldn’t change.
Now I feel more free to share my ideas at church. But some leader don't like what I say, it is not bad or against the church, but they don't like. A stake counselor had an interview with my husband and he ask him about me, and how I I'm sharering "my ideas" the wy he told him tells ne that he wanted that my husband makes me stop sharing and speaking. My husband didn't noticed but he explain him why I have been talking about some topics. At the end this man didn't say anything, he realized that my husband weren't going to stop me
It is well documented that Mormonism is not Christianity. That they use the same words with different meanings. I can't blame someone after leaving Mormonism to turn to atheism. Since they never knew Biblical Jesus. Since they never knew him how are they able to Judge him ? When you don't know him then you are justified in saying anything and have that mean whatever you say it means. This is true with anything that is considered a cult. Cults and Religions are not Christianity. Christianity is following the Biblical Jesus. To say one is atheist is acknowledging that the Biblical God does exist. Or the alternative is nothing and I mean nothing matter's. Obviously that is not your case. Deception is the nature of Mormonism and regardless if they slowly change policies. It is fundamentally against the WORD and is of the worldview.
One imaginary friend for another. Nobody "knows" what is happening or will happen.
@@okthennone There you are wrong. Do you really think that 11 of the 12 followers of Christ would give up there life for something imaginary? They were killed for there faith in Christ. To say that God is imaginary or that Jesus was not real is ignorance beyond comprehension to me. The book "The Case for Christ " written by a atheist at the time Lee Strobel is just one example that Christ is alive. He did his homework trying to disprove all this nonsense ,unlike you who have done nothing except what you think. And you are right nobody knows except the one with the Plan. The one who created us for his Glory and not our righteousness.
@@jamesclark5310 your imaginary friend really has you by the short hairs.
smith obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Let me ask you a couple of questions. Since you are so brilliant. 1. Where did you come from ? Where do you get morals from? Now since Jesus is a historical figure and has been proven that he existed in side and outside the Bible. Are your ancestors evolved fish or are you just random blah that only exists in your mind ?
@@jamesclark5310 I'm brilliant enough to know that it's pointless to try to have a meaningful discussion with somebody who has his mind shut down and doesn't want to be confused by facts or reason. So you just go back to sucking up to your imaginary friend and wallowing in your blissful ignorance.
You are an amazing lady!! Thank you!!!
Lexi! YAY! I look forward to ALL of your videos. :D
Do you have a Patreon?
I don’t! If I’m honest I’m too scared to make one. 😅♥️♥️
@@ExmoLex it is hard to believe that your to scared. Those who make these videos are expressing there views. Right or wrong it is courageous. To step out of there comfort zone is admirable. How they are received is not the issue of the maker but of the respondent.
About submission to husband: Frankly, I am a passive, lazy, kind of person (I took after my DAD in this way lol), so I guess if I were to convert to LDS, which I'm considering, the "submission" would probably come naturally, and may actually make me feel more normal for who I already am... I am not a Mormon yet, but agnostic, leaning towards atheism, but considering converting.
Girl don’t do it. Go enjoy your freedom or you will regret it.
I love your hair girl !
Great content and all, I just really love your hair!
I am combat veteran, and I have stopped believing in a "loving God" or any kind of god because of the things that have seen during my time at war. Seeing what this "loving God" is allowing people to do to other people ( we see the same things happening again in Ukraine) is truly appalling!!!! A "God" who supposedly has all this power, should not only be able to stop the atrocities or war crimes, he should be able to stop them from happening in the first place!!! Face it friends: THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!
This is sickening to hear all over again. I wanted an education and a career. If I got married and had kids, that would be great, but my ambition was science. They never had power over me in that regard.
Hey😁 I love your hair! Do you do it or get it done professionally?
What is Mark E Petersen's deal with knees???? So freaking weird.
This doctrine does not originate with Mormons. This is a teaching of Paul. A confirmed celebate said Men are better off without women and put them in second place. They were not to speak in church..they were to submit themselves to their husbands and cover their heads in church..and not hold any offices. I wish I had known this when I was a Mormon! It would got me out of speaking in church..which I hated! It would saved me from holding offices too! I am too late to tell them off with that one!
Loved the Princess Bride quote :)
These thoughts are why the church has such problem with single adult females
sweet! Lex loves me forever!! I liked this video and channel
The irony is that those all important children are then rejected by their parents if they do not conform to certain standards. Disgusting.
Recently found your channel! Happily newly subscribed :) thank you for your vids. I've always been curious about all religions (raised missouri synod lutheran myself, current non believer)
Not sure if you follow comments from older vids but im curious: is it true mormon women can't get into heaven on their own merits and have to wait to be called up by their husbands? I was taught that by my pastor growing up. Thx and keep well!
Going to add a correction- I believe LDS men can be sealed to more than one woman regardless if the first one is dead. I never was “unsealed” from my ex-husband in the temple, and he is remarried in the temple. So unless I’m dead and unaware, I’m a polygamist wife for eternity 👍
Don't worry, none of it is true
@@pastmomo3959 Well, if it is true, the Celestial Kingdom has got to be one weird sight to behold with all of the threesomes and foursomes going on up there!
Great vid again, keep it up. BITFDWT.
Aron Ra has the best example of how religious people view experts in scientific fields.
I've only _seen_ *ONE* polygamous relationship ever work out. As in 100% communicated, healthy, non-forced, etc. ONE. That's pretty sad if I'm being honest.
E. Cisneros how can you love someone if you are in relationships with others at the same time
N1ghtmare3ntity lots of people are polyamorous, it’s not unheard of.
@@Dreammaster695 I never said _I_ was. However, if you want to get technical, we are polyamorous -- able to love many people.
Clearly, I love my brother, but neither romantically, nor sexually (gross); however I love my husband both romantically _and_ sexually.
A Navy friend was the polygamist, and wasn't interested in marriage, but married another friend of mine because she knew how much it meant to her. I've been out of touch for a while, so I don't know if my polyamorous friend is still with the same people, but all were on the exact same page when I last checked.
It is a thing, and it clearly works for them, and as long as communication and healthy boundaries are in place, why should it bother me?
E. Cisneros inbreeding is also a thing
The man describing women’s knees and shoulders just sounds like he doesn’t like looking at women in general. 👀
Or that he is at odds with his sexuality. I often play with the idea that good ole Joe Smith was asexually and only involved in so many women to create a power structure. Not the most plausible idea though, but fun to think of.
@@drewfaddis3009 '¿Asexual?'--doubtable. I think the whole Fanny Alger 'fling' puts that theory to rest.
Hi lovely Lex. 👋🏻
I love the hair
Great work babe! You'll always be my favorite bestest friend ever. I love you to the moon and back.
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Get a room you-two!
I have a misogynistic comment in my patriarchal blessing that has ALWAYS bothered me.
You do good work. Loved the video on coffee, all 7 varieties.
Appreciate the thoughtful video and heavens knows our girls/women deserve so much better than the hand they’ve been dealt. You mentioned 3 things, but there was a 4th that we’ve tried in our home - following your husband, so long as he’s following the Lord. If he’s not following, she’s off the hook. And I’d like to say additionally, that my understanding of true priesthood leadership is servant leadership. A servant leader isn’t consumed with enacting his agenda on everyone else (like a ceo, or political leader), but is far more vested in helping those he leads in helping them achieve their goals.
And how do you know when your husband is following the Lord?
Ace Trades great concern. I don’t have a good answer. Putting trust in anything is high risk and vulnerable. The concept has certainly been used to reek havoc and manipulate the lives of many. I think it’s good to be aspirational and try, but fault no one for being burned and taking their ball and going home.
@@bennymcgreer4113 that was a great, well thought out honest answer. Ya, I got to that point as well, realized there wasn't sufficient evidence for any of the beliefs associated with things like the priesthood.
LDS church needs to evolve so women are equal, right now they answer only to men, why can't a woman become a bishop or a prophet? we are in 2023 not in 1800's, I recently met a woman missionary in Fort Lauderdale she said she wanted to become a missionary in Africa, I was thinking women are already oppressed in third world countries by men so basically LDS church want to go there and teach women to to be submissive to men and continue to be oppressed, instead of being equals, specially in corrupt third world countries were women have little chance of getting ahead, this makes no sense, LDS church please evolve and keep up with the times.
I don't disagree but they painted themselves in a corner. When they change with society, they prove that they are not divinely inspired.
Yeah I left religion when I was 10, I saw the world around me was massive and was fortunate enough to go to a school with people from many different religions, asked my mom why I can't worship Allah like my friend abdul from school and she explained to me that we are Christians, then she explained to me the concept of religion. My mom told me that the 10year old me then asked her how was she sure that were praying to the right God lol I was a very curious little guy. As I grew older as got alot into studying physics and biology to a point when I was literally failing my exams because I was obsessed with only certain aspects of these subjects, like I got obsessed with theory of relativity and theory of evolution (I know completely different), even tho I was not a very good student :p, I got obsessed with these to a point when I was spending close to 10hours a day researching about this stuff, got some of it, some of it didn't make any sense but I still kept on reading. The universe still baffles me to this day, I've had major anxiety problems related to feeling isolated in the universe etc(I know I sound like a complete idiot) etc.
But at this point religion is something so man made for me that I find it waste of my time to even talk about it now after obsessing over it for all my teen years.
Your video was in my recommended list and I thought I should share this with everyone lol
Actually women can use the priesthood but only in the temple and of course you have to pay money usually. There's a lot of very weird facts out there in the gospel that most people don't know.
That was such a sad and disgusting documentary. Those poor children (including the wives).
Not a Mormon, but like your videos.
Any thoughts on Patreon? I'd become a patron.
I've thought about it but I'm too scared to do it just yet!
Some things I'd like to add: my mother couldn't be sealed with her adoptive father, my dad couldn't take up priest hood or some shit like that because he was divorced, my oldest brother was born when my mom was 19, and when I lived in Saratoga Springs for a year, and I realized this recently, everyone has the same fucking personality. Also, where can I get that shirt?!?
My parents never raised my sister to only be a mother and home maker that does everything her husband says without question. The explanations I’ve heard have been along the lines of ‘wife’s should respect their husbands because they have the pressures of leading the household’; husbands are also told to honor and love their wife. It was never anything so ugly in my church were women had to be so meekly submissive and treated like second hand people.
Do you know if LDS women still covenant to follow their husbands in the temple when they get sealed?
Ah! Princes bride reference... No there is too much, let me sum up.
Kudos on the Princess Bride quote.
If I ever saw those scriptures while at church I would have lost my shit! That’s just wrong!!
I can’t believe they said that their knees are ugly that is so rude!
I have seen 2 documentaries on Tom Green and both videos may me sick. I wish I knew what happened to this family. He went to prison in the early 2000’s. Anyway to research this family? Just curious.
Keep up the good work Lex. We are with you all the way.
Never met a proper Morman wife that wasn't on psych meds.
Dont Women have the right to their OWN joy also? They can lead too.. They SHOULD be able to make decisions about their OWN life.. If they want a job, or a place where they know can make a difference, they should be able to.. Now 6:11..They say the spirit will bear truth to us, well, right now, my own spirit is telling my stomach to empty a BUNCH of its contents... When are ya coming out with another video? Always awesome!! And right on correct too!!
The two words that make marriage work:
Her: “I do”?
Him: “yes, dear…”