I’m 45 and a lifelong members...until I officially decided to leave this year. I don’t recall hearing about my own planet, but I do know I was taught that I would have my own universe or something to create in.
@ C. Catherine Watkins......Me too! From 1954 at birth until I left in 1992, They use this quotation, among many others, to "explain" the doctrine. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that faithful Mormon men can ascend to divinity. In the King Follett Discourse, Joseph Smith said and I quote....., “My Father worked out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same. And when I get to my kingdom of godhood, I shall present it to my Father, so that He may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will TAKE HIS PLACE, and thereby become exalted myself.”
David Bednar to my mission in 2010: “We need to stop apologizing for polygamy. It happened. It was a commandment and that commandment was fulfilled.” Guess he disagreed with Gordon on that one.
@Dauson Stimpson-Gagnon...He knows for a fact that most mainstream Christians won't accept the Mormon church as a Christian church. He has to sugarcoat the church to the public in terms of what the belief system is so he won't give them ammunition to call the LDS church a cult. Bit hypocritical I would say...
So sugar coats huh hmm yeah that an intresting take. This is what he said about christ "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998 Pour some sugar on me cant get enough im hot sticky sweet from my head to my feet yeah! Lol yall mistaking kindness for weakness and hinkley was far from weak. Oh he knew and he told world what he knew. Probably unlike any modern day prophet before or since ever has. And his i dont know is him telling you that lord keeps it from his eyes. Prophets only see what the lord lets them see. And only allowed to reveal what the lord allows them to reveal. ruclips.net/video/noDM2zmNy2c/видео.html
This is one of the best videos you have ever done. Humorous but also so spot on! Great FACTS. No way to dispute them by anyone at all. "Cut out the middleman." Priceless. What I was taught was "The living prophet takes precedence over any other prophet who was a "product of his time." Absurd. Good job Lex.
I know seriously!!!!!!!They can get over themselves or go somewhere else! They aren't paying for "RUclips Service!" It's not as if Lexie has $50,000 to set up a frigging studio somewhere! How picky. Tell them to get lost.
It is the RUclips algorithm I believe. Key words in the creator's video and title must alert "advertisers". I see that happen on MANY channels; not just this one and regardless of topic. If anyone knows differently would be curious to find out!
The contradictions are staggering the more you research the church. Lol which cracks me up that I was always taught to read first what the current prophet is stating and if, huge if, I had time then I could research the others. Im so happy I stumbled on your channel! You're fantastic and bring a smile to my face. Your lighting was perfect my dear.
My best friend is a Mormon, which is why I started doing research. I’ve even gone to Church with her two or three times. I’m a Christian (and to anyone reading this, please don’t be rude and tell me I’m delusional for believing in God, thanks!) and even under the Christian viewpoint, the Church is contradictory. There’s things that don’t line up with the LDS Church and Christianity. I love my best friend, I tried to get on board with Mormonism, but I just can’t. I hope everyone had a great day :D
If you want to help your friend get out of that cult, try asking her whether or not God can lie or be dishonest. Then ask her if He is using loopholes and if He is telling His servants to do that. When she will say that He doesn't do anything like that, ask her if she knows in detail who Joseph Bishop is, what is Mountain Meadows Massacre, the process of translation of books of Abraham and Mormon, why there was priesthood and temple ban for Blacks? If you need help with that stuff, just ask me or search this channel! 🙂
Christianity can’t agree within the fractured divisions of itself, you can find a flavor of Christianity that will support or condemn any viewpoint you can think of. Protestantism was based on the idea that if you don’t like the establishment’s doctrine create your own. The LDS theology did the same thing, then went a step further creating their own mythology and narrative of migration to the americas.
@ Steve Smith, I agree Christianity is very separated right now. People create their own Church to fit their views. I think there’s a lot of false churches, but I think the LDS Church makes it the easiest to “debunk” for lack of better words. As I said before, I am a Christian, so I obviously believe that there has to be a true Church, but no matter which way you try to bend the Bible, the LDS Church just cannot be true
@A Aaron Vasquez Different people approach things in a different manner. What might make those men effective for "some people" doesn't mean their approach is going to work with all people. Lexi's target audience I believe is different than John Dehlin's target audience.
The contradictions started when Joseph Smith himself couldn't keep his story about "the first vision" straight. When one doesn't lie it's a lot easier to keep the story straight.
Hi sweet heart tell you what. Let's talk about poligamy let me tell you something to think about. First of all this earth is so diseased God wants us to only have one wife for our own good because of disease but think of this Jesus said that in heaven there are no marriages so let's set up an appointment so that when we get to heaven we can many have a planet that we can populate by ourselves how about it sound exciting when I was young I'd give my eye theeth for a beautiful chick like you. So be good love to meet you there
Lol! "Everything that Joseph Smith ever said is disposable". And that is exactly what I did when I was 19 and it was too easy to do, after how many times I recited that it was the one true church.
One interesting thing to me is that every meeting, every testimony, every church service, every sacrament meeting and fast and testimony Sunday, every Relief Society or priesthood meeting, every primary meeting, etc. always includes the speaker saying at some point in their talk, "I know the church is true." Adults and children say it constantly. No other "Christian" church has people saying that. If you can get people to repeat something over and over and over eventually they will believe it.....
@@kkheflin3 that is one of the main reasons I left. I said it for a long time until I actually questioned it myself. I figured out that I could no longer say it and be honest.
Brigham Young also said...“Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.” Journal of Discourses 3:266
I remember the Larry King interview with Hinkley. I remember knowing he lied to Larry King about many things in that interview and I justified it as him protected sacred things. 😔 I was so brainwashed.
I'm thinking about making an "LDS recovery center" in Boise. Not with the intention of attacking the church, ( I love your videos and I think it help us all to realize that others have the logical awakening that we do) I think the majority who leave don't have exceptionally bad feelings towards the church, although many do, but having served a mission, gone through seminary, went to hundreds of 3 hour long Sundays...and still have most family going to church, AND growing up doing activities/mutual etc, we think of it as a club and wouldn't change our childhood for something different (though yes, many would). It's when we dive into the doctrine and realize we have been praying to the walls that we want to help others who realize they have nowhere to go for social support and it's comforting to be around others who have "woken up" and stepped out of the "Truman Show" bubble. Do you think buying a small building and creating a meeting place would be beneficial to others? Ideas for a social club and help center?
i heard about a coffee club that meets on sunday in slc. they always have an active sunday morning crowd. maybe there's a breakfast nook that would like to set aside an area for you in boise.
Excellent idea, Jake... I've never been LDS, but have looked into its history, and am pretty knowledgeable about things concerning it, so I hope your gathering opportunity would include ppl like me... = )
Really enjoy your videos Lex. Your always very upbeat and entertaining. Glad your helping inform others of the LDS Church! I had a rather nasty experience last year when the church tried to recruit me. I decided to see how long I could spend time with them without actually joining the church. I met 2 LDS sisters who were lovely but after a few meetings they decided to try and put conditions in that they would only meet me if I went to their church. The pressure they try to put onto you to join is just insane. Even as an outsider I found several contradictions with them. One was when they asked me whether I believed their church was the one true church. I said no because we are all different and free to believe what we choose. They then said well we also believe in and acknowledge other religions, ours is the one and only church. They tried to get me to pay money to their church. Because I didnt want to join, the elder held a meeting to discuss with me and others as to why I didn't want to join them. I started to think that the elder was insane, as after trying to convince me that I was a spirit child and had come home, he burst into song. I wished them well and again told them that I totally believe that people are free to believe what they choose but it seemed they didn't. So I politely told them no and quickly left.
My husband and I were called in to the bishop and told to repent for not paying tithing. It was that moment we were done with keeping up the appearances. I would never give the corporation another cent.
Good on you and your hubby for standing your grounds. I wouldn't either if i was in your situation. I hate religious(and non religious) cults/organisations like this who basically exist to prey on the vulnerable. That's just scammy as all hell. Sending much deserved respect your way!
When "the Church" started donating millions to the U. N. to import rabble from the third world in here to wreck our nation and society, I basically said to myself, "Not another damn dime."
Absolutely. Many of the "prophets" over the years have said it NUMEROUS times. I have the quotations if anyone wants them. No question the church teaches men can become gods and get their own planets to rule over with their wives. Core tenet in the church is ":exaltation" which to the LDS is different than "salvation." .
The Corporation's teaching that men will become gods along with many wives & a planet is unmistakable one of the main , so-called deeper doctrines of the groupe. It always was and always will be part of what it is. It is meant to deceive other people and not tell them what it really is. You were told by the mormonaries what they thought you should hear and nothing else. They will keep secrets from each other , they're going to keep a secret from you.
What I find odd is that "hot drinks" is said to mean tea and coffee. Since this God speaks English, there should be no errors in commandments given that should be mealy mouth, vague, or subject to translation errors. If God had meant "tea and coffee", that is what He would have said. Of course, He was very specific that the whole WofW was not given as a commandment or by way of restraint. And that was said in English, so all of us English speakers can understand what was said, no interpretations needed.
@@wylie5525 And when I was growing up, "hot drinks" meant caffeine. So no Coke, of course, but hot (!) chocolate was routinely served at church gatherings.
I’m back! Long time watcher of this channel and I decided to make an alternate account so I don’t get notifications that my family can see. It’s been a while since I’ve watched though so I’ve got some catching up to do! Feels refreshing to be back though!
Growing up mormon I had no idea men could be sealed to additional wives, if their current wife passed. When my now husband told me about his grandpa getting sealed to a second wife; I told him “No, he would need to get a temple divorce first or that is just polygamy in heaven.” I was a shocked even as a non-believer. 😂 The bubble is real and intoxicating.
Does this apply to women as well? i.e. if a woman's husband dies, can she be sealed to another husband without divorcing the first? (I'm guessing not, but I'd like to check)
I was taught that she will be sealed to the one she loves more/the one who is deemed more worthy of her. So yeah, no multiple husbands in the afterlife for the ladies, sorry
unlucky one The “It will be sorted in the afterlife” is a very common response within religion in general. However, it’s a non-answer and a terrible answer for those that have honest questions.
Phenomenal post! (Lighting was great by the way.) It is so very frustrating to go back and read Doctrine and Covenants and the writings of the various prophets from Joseph Smith on; the more you read, the more inconsistent statements (or prophecies) you find. And this doesn't even bring the fake Salamander Letters the church leaders bought to keep hidden or the Book of Abraham fiasco. How could prophets be so easily duped?
New subscriber here! Born and raised in the church, I’m currently 26. I’ve always hated religion, but love god and believe! Love you and your husband. Love your videos!!!!
Amazing job lex, in all categories! Made me laugh! Your still going strong! Can you translate this one into Spanish or languages where the chuch is actually growing. There are so many who want out but the cost is too high, divorce, loss of income, being shunned or emotionally attacked. Criminally fraudulent church leaders. There's hope because of videos like this.
Thank you for these. I left for my own personal reasons, and I really appreciate having this knowledge to back up my backbone when spending time with my family, which I love. My father asked me once I had kids if I would come back to church because the church would help me teach morality to my kids. I told him I could not. I believe in the rights of the LGBTQ+ community, and the church would teach discrimination to my children.
The herbal tea comment was awesome!! Thanks for the laugh. I also want to thank you for this info. I have had complaints over the years for these exact topics of hypocrisy. It’s good to have the exact quotes and evidence that you compiled. Thanks for keeping us “in the light while you sat in the dark” to film this video. ;)
I promise the lighting is not bothering us 🤣🤣 I am crocheting and specifically put your videos on because I know you're thourogh and I won't have to look at the screen lol
Hello my name is Steve i just wanted to thank,you, for such a great job that you have been doing in which explaining things about the LDS church. I watch your videos all the time. i just watched one today about tithing, and the subject on polagamy. Great job. Please continue to showing more videos. Thank,You, verymuch.
The contradictions staggers more and more the more you research, they sound like they're tryna pull a whole "we're right, you're wrong, debate over!" Kind of statement. The church definently does fall in under the BITE model(as used by owen morgan aka telltale atheist) the thought policing sounds a lot like when priests get told to live a life in celibacy(aka abstinence) it just radiates that kind of energy. Btw, keep up the good work, girl! ❤
Yep taught eternal progression my entire childhood. Born 1971. Had the famous Lorenzo Snow couplet on my bulletin board in my bedroom during seminary years because I thought it "made so much sense".
Oh so true. Kimball was my prophet as a child and I had a deep love for them all, except Brigham. It was my love for the prophets that drove me to learn the gospel...... Q- Which prophet do you follow? A- The current one for he leads the people of this time and will be a part of your judgement in the last day. .....okay but as a child I was taught this, then as a teenager I was taught that, as an adult I was taught that my child teachings never happened/I was misinformed to the real teachings, older adult teachings are don't think for yourself and keep your eyes here now.... Bleh to it all! Good job to you!
Hey Lex - I’m an RM who served in Mexico. who grew away from the church while as a missionary. I confronted multiple colleague missionaries about these very topics. Would love to bounce some stories Ive had with you to potentially help in future videos. I marvel at these kinds of videos and love to talk experience regarding the LDS church. Thanks!
I'm this ____close to sharing this video with my family to explain how I feel. If the divinity of the Prophets' teachings are a crapshoot what exactly makes them prophetic?
Good video! I still struggle daily with the inconsistency of the church's leadership. This is a good summary of why it bothers me. Anyone have tips on how to rebuttal the "they were a product of their time" claims? 'Cause that's all I ever get from my active member friends.
How many moses were there, those kind of men come along maybe once in a dispensation. We had our moses his name was joseph smith jr you all just refuse to believe his miracle. The restoration. You think men like that are common because their stories come one after another in the scriptures but hundreds and thousands of years seperate their stories. I love and sustain the prophet he is a man of god but our miracle as already came and went now is the time to reap what we sowed.Im greatful for exmos they make me laugh and their hate is devine witness to me of the righteousness of this marvelous work and wonder joseph use to love to hear the howls and so do we. You cant stop it. #givethanks
my dad was sealed to my mother. she died when i was 21. he remarried within the year and was sealed to his new wife. that was in 1971. it was commonly taught that the husband calls the wife (wives) forth on the morning of the first resurrection. if she didn't please him in this life, he was under no obligation to call her forth. i don't know what that was suppose to mean. either she was up for grabs to anyone who would take her, or she had to go to a lesser (telestial?) glory. nowadays, mormons i talk to are either lying about what they are taught, or are really taught something else, or the church double talks so much nobody really knows what mormonism teaches. they rely upon 3rd party spin doctors like fair mormon. then, when they make a major change they can always say fair mormon doesn't speak for the church with authority.
Another great video, Lex! Hinckley is also the prophet I knew as a kid. As an adult, when I saw that interview where he said polygamy was "not doctrinal", I was also completely stunned! I was absolutely taught that polygamy would be a thing in Mormon heaven. Oh course, Hinckley was just "lying for the Lord" to try and spin current public perception in the direction he wanted and distract everyone from any history or continuity. 🙄 I was definitely also taught the concepts from the King Follett discourses, and as an adult hearing Hinckley's bullshit dodging of the question in that interview about it made me furious!! "Gordie Hinckley is a turd."
the "as god once was we now are" was directly quoted in mormons in space- err- i mean the original BattleStar Galactica! "as you are, we once were; as we are, you may yet become." when the two men starbuck and apollo go to the white heaven (celestial heaven) and meet "angels" or gods, or ... elevated beings.
If this farce were true, don't you think their God wouldn't have waited 150 years to tell them that black people ARE his people. But no, he let "living prophet" after "living prophet" spew vile hatred against "his people"... in his name.
It's not like he's very good on timelines. he's waited 2,000 years to send his son back. 150 seems pretty short. It's almost like he forgot or something 🤣🤣
LOL! i remember having one of those late night "spiritual chats" with a group of church friends. We were wondering if, when we become gods and get to create our own planets, would we be able to let our people know about each other (as gods) and inspire them to be able to seek out and visit each other's planets!! Damn, I was really in to that stuff.
Hey lex, keep up the great work. If you could cite your source on each of these quotes from GAs and prophets in future videos, that would be great. Would love to use them to show others, and it would be nice to know where you found them.
Wow! this video brings back memories. Today's LDS is not the the Church it was during my mission 1971-73. I don't remember being given hard and fast rules about teaching blacks. It was like most missionaries just knew it had a lot of issues. Eventually you would have to tell them every race can be given the priesthood except yours and no you can't go to the temple and no you can't be sealed to your family, and no you can't be this and no you can't do that. If after that they still wanted to attend a meeting with you, then; you would be foolish not to clear it with ward or branch leaders and the Mission president.
The only thing I was taught differently was about polygamy. I was taught polygamy was started because woman couldn't own land and they needed a way to provide for their kids. As a kid that made sense but now that I'm an adult its easier to see the truth.
Even thinking about the scare tactics has been so heavily embedded.... It still caused a tinge of worry! Lex I would like to see you do the topic of spirits and the after life.... I think There is quite a of controversial stuff about this.
Gaslighters on the tic toc, take that! POW! I like videos that address the gaslighting. I think it’s also helpful for those who are just starting to question their beliefs, who are experiencing people they know & love gaslighting them, they may not even have learned the term yet.
Wow. I only went to the church for 2 years and was never baptized, and I heard about the "men become gods" thing about 3 months in, and multiple times after that.
I want to put this out there, its hard to think critically, when they give you logical fallacies to follow your whole life and don't know how to recognize them. I still struggle with identifying logical fallacies because I grew up with them being treated like a real argument.
I am 61 and all my life in the church it was always understood that polygamy was practiced in heaven and that that the purpose of this lime was to keep the commandments be married in the temple so that one day we could become Gods and Goddess following the same path that our father in heaven completed durning his mortal existence which continues to be one eternal round. I remember many a discussion in priesthood meeting on this topic. So I when I saw this interview with President Hinckley make this statement calling an established doctrine a couplet which he didn’t understand. I was quite shocking to see an Oracle of truth lying through his teeth.
I used to be a Mormon, I was always taught the eternal cycle idea of we will become Gods, just like God was a man who had a God who was a man who had a God who was a man, etc, etc, etc.
I was forced to go to church my whole life. My dad had an affair on my mom and didn’t get excommunicated but my uncle kissed another girl and he got excommunicated. Their rules are all over the place. All my dad does now is talk about the church even tho I see him a couple times a year and it’s destroyed our relationship and same with my other brothers. The best part, my mom stopped making us go after he cheated and he’s fought with her multiple times and sends her church videos. The man who had an affair... sends her church videos.
In Mormonism, there are many plural marriages still, mostly at levels of higher leadership, I was once told by someone who would"know", that" if you could see who was in a plural marriage in the Church, you would be shocked" I don't doubt him.
@rocky mountain lass probably so, I must say though that most Mormons are good people who don't have more than one Wife. They are great people, neighbors and friends, they are just being deceived into a false belief systems that is in opposition to both the Bible and The Book of Mormon (it explains that God tolerated the Patriarchs plural Wives, but never sanctioned it, and gives a very clear command that"Of Wives you shall have but one, and concubines you shall have none, for it is an abomination unto Me, and the pain you cause My Daughters is why I condemn this practice" So if you are doing what the Book of Mormon and the Bible state instead of the craziness that obviously took over, there would have never been plural Wives in the first place, and for the life of me I don't see how Joseph Smith got pretty much all on board with a total contradiction in the Law. But again most Mormons are far removed from this topic, or most meat of the Church, only those who gain power keep going down the exultation path in my opinion. Take care, God bless you and your family
That ignorant statement by Gordon Hinckley - I don't know if he actually repeated that as a result of being interviewed by Time for the Time Magazine article, or if Time quoted him as having said that in a previous interview. But the quote that you read was exactly said by "Gordo the Great" (as I have come to call him) while being interviewed by reporter Don Lattin for an article in the San Francisco Chronicle, published April 13, 1997. I of course grew up firmly believing in the oft-repeated Mormon "couplet", "As man is, God once was, and as God is, Man may become." So when I read of Gordo being so incredibly reticent about the concept in the San Francisco Chronicle, I was stunned. I do have a transcript of the SF Chronicle article. So with some effort, I finally was able to get San Francisco Chronicle reporter Don Lattin on the phone, and to ask him about the interview. He plainly and unemotionally described to me that was exactly what Hinckley said, and that there was no chance of having misquoted him, as Lattin recorded the interview, as did some LDS members of Hinckley's entourage also there at the interview. Latten then reassured me that if he had misquoted Hinckley in the interview, that he most assuredly would have heard back from the LDS Church, which is why they had recorded the interview as well as Lattin. Keep up the good work, Lexi. Thanks.
i like the lighting. it's soft and different. and by the way, i was taught exactly like you were about becoming a god. i don't know if mormonism is changing it's teachings. even if they do change, it's still a cult, and it's still based on lie after lie after lie. when i was a child the story was about gold plates. now the story is about a rock in hat.
Part of this boils down to rationalizing away what leaders in the church have said. "Oh, when he said that, he was talking as a man, not as a prophet"....question being "is that what the attitude was at the time he spoke?" So, we have the recent idea "modern prophets trump dead prophets when they speak." Seeing how many instances exist of dismissing what former prophets have said, in light of what one may say today....of what use is a prophet? Yes, today's prophet may make a statement taken to be doctrine. But if, in twenty, thirty, or forty years, that doctrine is clearly compromised and contradicted by another prophet...what good is the entire process? A few conclusions can be drawn. The men are prophets, receiving revelation from a deity who apparently cannot foresee potentially damaging consequences of a change in doctrine....or the men who play the role carefully craft policy and present it as a revelation, themselves unable to foresee damaging consequences that may require the revelation to be dismissed later. I know which scenario I think it is.
I was a member of the LDS church for 44 years and yes, 100% I was taught about having my own planet.
I left last year and I was still being taught that until I left ahaha
Catherine Watkins
You beat me by one year!
I’m 45 and a lifelong members...until I officially decided to leave this year. I don’t recall hearing about my own planet, but I do know I was taught that I would have my own universe or something to create in.
Me too
@ C. Catherine Watkins......Me too! From 1954 at birth until I left in 1992, They use this quotation, among many others, to "explain" the doctrine.
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that faithful Mormon men can ascend to divinity. In the King Follett Discourse, Joseph Smith said and I quote....., “My Father worked out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same. And when I get to my kingdom of godhood, I shall present it to my Father, so that He may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will TAKE HIS PLACE, and thereby become exalted myself.”
"Just listen to the sound of my voice"
Lex, why the hell you think we're here!
Speak girl!!!! ❤️
. The lighting from the car light was just fine. The points about contradictions were excellent. Your work is superb.
The only consistent thing is inconsistency!!!
Hahaha
David Bednar to my mission in 2010: “We need to stop apologizing for polygamy. It happened. It was a commandment and that commandment was fulfilled.” Guess he disagreed with Gordon on that one.
Hinckley was the "I don't know" "prophet".
@Dauson Stimpson-Gagnon...He knows for a fact that most mainstream Christians won't accept the Mormon church as a Christian church. He has to sugarcoat the church to the public in terms of what the belief system is so he won't give them ammunition to call the LDS church a cult. Bit hypocritical I would say...
Guess why???
He KNEW it was fake! Omg I cannot EVEN
So sugar coats huh hmm yeah that an intresting take. This is what he said about christ "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998
Pour some sugar on me cant get enough im hot sticky sweet from my head to my feet yeah! Lol yall mistaking kindness for weakness and hinkley was far from weak. Oh he knew and he told world what he knew. Probably unlike any modern day prophet before or since ever has. And his i dont know is him telling you that lord keeps it from his eyes. Prophets only see what the lord lets them see. And only allowed to reveal what the lord allows them to reveal.
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This is one of the best videos you have ever done. Humorous but also so spot on! Great FACTS. No way to dispute them by anyone at all. "Cut out the middleman." Priceless. What I was taught was "The living prophet takes precedence over any other prophet who was a "product of his time." Absurd. Good job Lex.
I don't get people who make comments on video production quality. It's FREE content! Thanks for making it!
I know seriously!!!!!!!They can get over themselves or go somewhere else! They aren't paying for "RUclips Service!" It's not as if Lexie has $50,000 to set up a frigging studio somewhere! How picky. Tell them to get lost.
They can edit this in a funkier way if they want call it a commentary video and call it good. They're just lazy
I'm getting LDS ads while watching the video 🤣🤣
Saaaame 😂😂😂😂
It is the RUclips algorithm I believe. Key words in the creator's video and title must alert "advertisers". I see that happen on MANY channels; not just this one and regardless of topic. If anyone knows differently would be curious to find out!
Block them
I did same Instagram all
Accounts with Mormon Jesus will get blocked
The contradictions are staggering the more you research the church. Lol which cracks me up that I was always taught to read first what the current prophet is stating and if, huge if, I had time then I could research the others. Im so happy I stumbled on your channel! You're fantastic and bring a smile to my face. Your lighting was perfect my dear.
Who else is thankful for ExMo Lex? #givethanks
Who ISN'T thankful for ExMoLex? #giveallyourthankstoExMoLex
I cry and eat peanut butter and play "everbody hearts" by REM when I don't get my Exmo Lex fix.
My best friend is a Mormon, which is why I started doing research. I’ve even gone to Church with her two or three times.
I’m a Christian (and to anyone reading this, please don’t be rude and tell me I’m delusional for believing in God, thanks!) and even under the Christian viewpoint, the Church is contradictory. There’s things that don’t line up with the LDS Church and Christianity.
I love my best friend, I tried to get on board with Mormonism, but I just can’t.
I hope everyone had a great day :D
There will always be try to get on board, but it requires being delusional in order to stay on board. That's the trick to believing in Mormonism.
Its truth according to god, you're not supposed to think about it (basically the base requitement to be a mormon)
If you want to help your friend get out of that cult, try asking her whether or not God can lie or be dishonest. Then ask her if He is using loopholes and if He is telling His servants to do that. When she will say that He doesn't do anything like that, ask her if she knows in detail who Joseph Bishop is, what is Mountain Meadows Massacre, the process of translation of books of Abraham and Mormon, why there was priesthood and temple ban for Blacks? If you need help with that stuff, just ask me or search this channel! 🙂
Christianity can’t agree within the fractured divisions of itself, you can find a flavor of Christianity that will support or condemn any viewpoint you can think of. Protestantism was based on the idea that if you don’t like the establishment’s doctrine create your own. The LDS theology did the same thing, then went a step further creating their own mythology and narrative of migration to the americas.
@ Steve Smith, I agree Christianity is very separated right now. People create their own Church to fit their views. I think there’s a lot of false churches, but I think the LDS Church makes it the easiest to “debunk” for lack of better words. As I said before, I am a Christian, so I obviously believe that there has to be a true Church, but no matter which way you try to bend the Bible, the LDS Church just cannot be true
I wish I could like this more than once! Do more of these please.
@A Aaron Vasquez Your worst nightmare!
@A Aaron Vasquez Different people approach things in a different manner. What might make those men effective for "some people" doesn't mean their approach is going to work with all people. Lexi's target audience I believe is different than John Dehlin's target audience.
The contradictions started when Joseph Smith himself couldn't keep his story about "the first vision" straight. When one doesn't lie it's a lot easier to keep the story straight.
Hi sweet heart tell you what. Let's talk about poligamy let me tell you something to think about. First of all this earth is so diseased God wants us to only have one wife for our own good because of disease but think of this Jesus said that in heaven there are no marriages so let's set up an appointment so that when we get to heaven we can many have a planet that we can populate by ourselves how about it sound exciting when I was young I'd give my eye theeth for a beautiful chick like you. So be good love to meet you there
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Lol! "Everything that Joseph Smith ever said is disposable".
And that is exactly what I did when I was 19 and it was too easy to do, after how many times I recited that it was the one true church.
One interesting thing to me is that every meeting, every testimony, every church service, every sacrament meeting and fast and testimony Sunday, every Relief Society or priesthood meeting, every primary meeting, etc. always includes the speaker saying at some point in their talk, "I know the church is true." Adults and children say it constantly. No other "Christian" church has people saying that. If you can get people to repeat something over and over and over eventually they will believe it.....
@@kkheflin3 that is one of the main reasons I left. I said it for a long time until I actually questioned it myself. I figured out that I could no longer say it and be honest.
Brigham Young also said...“Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.”
Journal of Discourses 3:266
The mormon hoops are like a circus on believing.
I remember the Larry King interview with Hinkley. I remember knowing he lied to Larry King about many things in that interview and I justified it as him protected sacred things. 😔 I was so brainwashed.
"As man is, God once was. As God is, man my one day become." We were taught it enough that I can still remember the wording clearly.
I'm thinking about making an "LDS recovery center" in Boise. Not with the intention of attacking the church, ( I love your videos and I think it help us all to realize that others have the logical awakening that we do) I think the majority who leave don't have exceptionally bad feelings towards the church, although many do, but having served a mission, gone through seminary, went to hundreds of 3 hour long Sundays...and still have most family going to church, AND growing up doing activities/mutual etc, we think of it as a club and wouldn't change our childhood for something different (though yes, many would). It's when we dive into the doctrine and realize we have been praying to the walls that we want to help others who realize they have nowhere to go for social support and it's comforting to be around others who have "woken up" and stepped out of the "Truman Show" bubble. Do you think buying a small building and creating a meeting place would be beneficial to others? Ideas for a social club and help center?
i heard about a coffee club that meets on sunday in slc. they always have an active sunday morning crowd. maybe there's a breakfast nook that would like to set aside an area for you in boise.
Excellent idea, Jake... I've never been LDS, but have looked into its history, and am pretty knowledgeable about things concerning it, so I hope your gathering opportunity would include ppl like me... = )
This channel is such a great service to our society! Thanks!!
Lexie is awesome and she is reaching SO many members and non-members and ex-members on a weekly basis.
Really enjoy your videos Lex. Your always very upbeat and entertaining. Glad your helping inform others of the LDS Church! I had a rather nasty experience last year when the church tried to recruit me. I decided to see how long I could spend time with them without actually joining the church. I met 2 LDS sisters who were lovely but after a few meetings they decided to try and put conditions in that they would only meet me if I went to their church. The pressure they try to put onto you to join is just insane. Even as an outsider I found several contradictions with them. One was when they asked me whether I believed their church was the one true church. I said no because we are all different and free to believe what we choose. They then said well we also believe in and acknowledge other religions, ours is the one and only church. They tried to get me to pay money to their church.
Because I didnt want to join, the elder held a meeting to discuss with me and others as to why I didn't want to join them. I started to think that the elder was insane, as after trying to convince me that I was a spirit child and had come home, he burst into song. I wished them well and again told them that I totally believe that people are free to believe what they choose but it seemed they didn't. So I politely told them no and quickly left.
My husband and I were called in to the bishop and told to repent for not paying tithing. It was that moment we were done with keeping up the appearances. I would never give the corporation another cent.
Good on you and your hubby for standing your grounds. I wouldn't either if i was in your situation. I hate religious(and non religious) cults/organisations like this who basically exist to prey on the vulnerable. That's just scammy as all hell. Sending much deserved respect your way!
When "the Church" started donating millions to the U. N. to import rabble from the third world in here to wreck our nation and society, I basically said to myself, "Not another damn dime."
@@joetaylor8687 and to the jab; government; our tithing should not be spent on government vaxxx. and corrupt jab and to FAkie and Bill G.
Rusty also mentioned the "day of vengeance and burning" in relation to tithing last year at CONference.
absolutely was taught growing up in the church that men can become god's if they are obedient.
Absolutely. Many of the "prophets" over the years have said it NUMEROUS times. I have the quotations if anyone wants them. No question the church teaches men can become gods and get their own planets to rule over with their wives. Core tenet in the church is ":exaltation" which to the LDS is different than "salvation." .
I was taught all this stuff by church leaders you’re talking about.
The Corporation's teaching that men will become gods along with many wives & a planet is unmistakable one of the main , so-called deeper doctrines of the groupe. It always was and
always will be part of what it is.
It is meant to deceive other people and not tell them what it really is. You were told by the mormonaries what they thought
you should hear and nothing else.
They will keep secrets
from each other , they're going
to keep a secret from you.
I mean, lex was raised Mormon so probably didn't hear much from the missionaries, just family/friends growing up.
But I get your point and agree.
More inconsistency videos please!!! This is gold 😂
Thank you. I had a goid time with you. And the lighting was cosy!😉
"with herbal tea--obviously, we weren't sinners" i'm dying hahah! it's so funny but also so sad that that is considered a sin
What I find odd is that "hot drinks" is said to mean tea and coffee. Since this God speaks English, there should be no errors in commandments given that should be mealy mouth, vague, or subject to translation errors. If God had meant "tea and coffee", that is what He would have said. Of course, He was very specific that the whole WofW was not given as a commandment or by way of restraint. And that was said in English, so all of us English speakers can understand what was said, no interpretations needed.
@@wylie5525 And when I was growing up, "hot drinks" meant caffeine. So no Coke, of course, but hot (!) chocolate was routinely served at church gatherings.
@@iloveprivacy8167 Don't forget how many drank Postum. My father used it instead of a morning cup of coffee.
Omg you released this at the same time Rusty posted his message of gratitude. Love it 😍 I’m so grateful for people like you.
it’s an Expensive social club
Me and my gf love your videos! We watch them together every week! Been here for over and year and loving it! Keep it up!
Your content is so refreshing. Thank you 😊
I remember when I was still a member, I tried so hard to make sense of so many contradictions!!
I’m back! Long time watcher of this channel and I decided to make an alternate account so I don’t get notifications that my family can see. It’s been a while since I’ve watched though so I’ve got some catching up to do! Feels refreshing to be back though!
Growing up mormon I had no idea men could be sealed to additional wives, if their current wife passed.
When my now husband told me about his grandpa getting sealed to a second wife; I told him “No, he would need to get a temple divorce first or that is just polygamy in heaven.”
I was a shocked even as a non-believer. 😂
The bubble is real and intoxicating.
Does this apply to women as well? i.e. if a woman's husband dies, can she be sealed to another husband without divorcing the first? (I'm guessing not, but I'd like to check)
I was taught that she will be sealed to the one she loves more/the one who is deemed more worthy of her. So yeah, no multiple husbands in the afterlife for the ladies, sorry
Emma Vitz it excludes women from remarrying is my understanding.
My mom had to get a temple divorce in order to remarry.
unlucky one The “It will be sorted in the afterlife” is a very common response within religion in general. However, it’s a non-answer and a terrible answer for those that have honest questions.
Men get to have multiple wives in the celestial kingdom but women don’t get to have multiple husbands.
The church is totally consistent with respect to women. No respect then, no respect now.
Oh come on Ann--You're talking about The Birth-Givers. That's got to count for something!
Phenomenal post! (Lighting was great by the way.) It is so very frustrating to go back and read Doctrine and Covenants and the writings of the various prophets from Joseph Smith on; the more you read, the more inconsistent statements (or prophecies) you find. And this doesn't even bring the fake Salamander Letters the church leaders bought to keep hidden or the Book of Abraham fiasco. How could prophets be so easily duped?
“Bitch please” 😂🤣 you’re the best, Exmo Lex.
I'm only concerned about the lighting if it is gaslighting.🤣
You are great. I'm blessed by your videos. Thank you.
You are a true voice of truth. I have never seen or heard the truth told and shown as you have done. This corrupt corporation needs shut down
No worries about the lighting. Your points about the contradictions are very good.
Shared this video with the #givethanks hashtag! 😂😂😂
Dangggg lol
New subscriber here! Born and raised in the church, I’m currently 26. I’ve always hated religion, but love god and believe! Love you and your husband. Love your videos!!!!
This video was very entertaining and the lighting was fine. It also drives me nuts to hear all those contradictions!
Amazing job lex, in all categories! Made me laugh! Your still going strong! Can you translate this one into Spanish or languages where the chuch is actually growing. There are so many who want out but the cost is too high, divorce, loss of income, being shunned or emotionally attacked. Criminally fraudulent church leaders. There's hope because of videos like this.
Thank you for these. I left for my own personal reasons, and I really appreciate having this knowledge to back up my backbone when spending time with my family, which I love. My father asked me once I had kids if I would come back to church because the church would help me teach morality to my kids. I told him I could not. I believe in the rights of the LGBTQ+ community, and the church would teach discrimination to my children.
The herbal tea comment was awesome!! Thanks for the laugh. I also want to thank you for this info. I have had complaints over the years for these exact topics of hypocrisy. It’s good to have the exact quotes and evidence that you compiled. Thanks for keeping us “in the light while you sat in the dark” to film this video. ;)
That little intro sound is just 👌👌👌
I promise the lighting is not bothering us 🤣🤣 I am crocheting and specifically put your videos on because I know you're thourogh and I won't have to look at the screen lol
I appreciate your research and sharing. #givethanks
Very well done! Look forward to more of this type of video.
Hello my name is Steve i just wanted to thank,you, for such a great job that you have been doing in which explaining things about the LDS church. I watch your videos all the time. i just watched one today about tithing, and the subject on polagamy. Great job. Please continue to showing more videos. Thank,You, verymuch.
LOL I literally got an LDS ad before this video
Fr though. All of them
Love this video! Also love that you didn't bleep out your four letter words 😊
I grew up in a Christian church and want to thank you for all your videos!
Great video! Keep them coming!
The contradictions staggers more and more the more you research, they sound like they're tryna pull a whole "we're right, you're wrong, debate over!" Kind of statement. The church definently does fall in under the BITE model(as used by owen morgan aka telltale atheist) the thought policing sounds a lot like when priests get told to live a life in celibacy(aka abstinence) it just radiates that kind of energy. Btw, keep up the good work, girl! ❤
Yep taught eternal progression my entire childhood. Born 1971. Had the famous Lorenzo Snow couplet on my bulletin board in my bedroom during seminary years because I thought it "made so much sense".
Oh so true. Kimball was my prophet as a child and I had a deep love for them all, except Brigham. It was my love for the prophets that drove me to learn the gospel...... Q- Which prophet do you follow? A- The current one for he leads the people of this time and will be a part of your judgement in the last day. .....okay but as a child I was taught this, then as a teenager I was taught that, as an adult I was taught that my child teachings never happened/I was misinformed to the real teachings, older adult teachings are don't think for yourself and keep your eyes here now.... Bleh to it all!
Good job to you!
Hey Lex - I’m an RM who served in Mexico. who grew away from the church while as a missionary. I confronted multiple colleague missionaries about these very topics. Would love to bounce some stories Ive had with you to potentially help in future videos. I marvel at these kinds of videos and love to talk experience regarding the LDS church. Thanks!
Send them to exmolex@gmail.com
I'm this ____close to sharing this video with my family to explain how I feel.
If the divinity of the Prophets' teachings are a crapshoot what exactly makes them prophetic?
Amen
Do it my friend... This is the perfect time, lies are fully exposed these days!
Good video! I still struggle daily with the inconsistency of the church's leadership. This is a good summary of why it bothers me. Anyone have tips on how to rebuttal the "they were a product of their time" claims? 'Cause that's all I ever get from my active member friends.
How many moses were there, those kind of men come along maybe once in a dispensation. We had our moses his name was joseph smith jr you all just refuse to believe his miracle. The restoration. You think men like that are common because their stories come one after another in the scriptures but hundreds and thousands of years seperate their stories. I love and sustain the prophet he is a man of god but our miracle as already came and went now is the time to reap what we sowed.Im greatful for exmos they make me laugh and their hate is devine witness to me of the righteousness of this marvelous work and wonder joseph use to love to hear the howls and so do we. You cant stop it. #givethanks
my dad was sealed to my mother. she died when i was 21. he remarried within the year and was sealed to his new wife. that was in 1971.
it was commonly taught that the husband calls the wife (wives) forth on the morning of the first resurrection. if she didn't please him in this life, he was under no obligation to call her forth. i don't know what that was suppose to mean. either she was up for grabs to anyone who would take her, or she had to go to a lesser (telestial?) glory.
nowadays, mormons i talk to are either lying about what they are taught, or are really taught something else, or the church double talks so much nobody really knows what mormonism teaches.
they rely upon 3rd party spin doctors like fair mormon. then, when they make a major change they can always say fair mormon doesn't speak for the church with authority.
Maybe some wouldn't be called fourth, but maybe fifth or sixth.
Another great video, Lex! Hinckley is also the prophet I knew as a kid. As an adult, when I saw that interview where he said polygamy was "not doctrinal", I was also completely stunned! I was absolutely taught that polygamy would be a thing in Mormon heaven. Oh course, Hinckley was just "lying for the Lord" to try and spin current public perception in the direction he wanted and distract everyone from any history or continuity. 🙄
I was definitely also taught the concepts from the King Follett discourses, and as an adult hearing Hinckley's bullshit dodging of the question in that interview about it made me furious!!
"Gordie Hinckley is a turd."
The recent message from the current prophet just ran as an AD on your video. Crazy.
Can you speak about what good old Rusty said this morning?
the "as god once was we now are" was directly quoted in mormons in space- err- i mean the original BattleStar Galactica!
"as you are, we once were; as we are, you may yet become." when the two men starbuck and apollo go to the white heaven (celestial heaven) and meet "angels" or gods, or ... elevated beings.
The lighting struggle is real! Friggin 4:30pm sunsets.
Also these Mormon doctrines just keep getting more and more batshit like. Wow 👁️👄👁️
I love it when Tara talks about stuff!
If this farce were true, don't you think their God wouldn't have waited 150 years to tell them that black people ARE his people. But no, he let "living prophet" after "living prophet" spew vile hatred against "his people"... in his name.
It's not like he's very good on timelines. he's waited 2,000 years to send his son back. 150 seems pretty short. It's almost like he forgot or something 🤣🤣
LOL! i remember having one of those late night "spiritual chats" with a group of church friends. We were wondering if, when we become gods and get to create our own planets, would we be able to let our people know about each other (as gods) and inspire them to be able to seek out and visit each other's planets!! Damn, I was really in to that stuff.
Hey lex, keep up the great work. If you could cite your source on each of these quotes from GAs and prophets in future videos, that would be great. Would love to use them to show others, and it would be nice to know where you found them.
They are all cited in the description. 👍
Wow! this video brings back memories. Today's LDS is not the the Church it was during my mission 1971-73. I don't remember being given hard and fast rules about teaching blacks. It was like most missionaries just knew it had a lot of issues. Eventually you would have to tell them every race can be given the priesthood except yours and no you can't go to the temple and no you can't be sealed to your family, and no you can't be this and no you can't do that. If after that they still wanted to attend a meeting with you, then; you would be foolish not to clear it with ward or branch leaders and the Mission president.
Super-duper Heaven.... - Brother Jake 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Brother Jake is hilarious
The only thing I was taught differently was about polygamy. I was taught polygamy was started because woman couldn't own land and they needed a way to provide for their kids. As a kid that made sense but now that I'm an adult its easier to see the truth.
I just noticed I haven't been subscribed this whole time 😭 all fixed now
You're so bad Mikelle. I'm telling!
Even thinking about the scare tactics has been so heavily embedded.... It still caused a tinge of worry!
Lex I would like to see you do the topic of spirits and the after life.... I think There is quite a of controversial stuff about this.
Gaslighters on the tic toc, take that! POW!
I like videos that address the gaslighting. I think it’s also helpful for those who are just starting to question their beliefs, who are experiencing people they know & love gaslighting them, they may not even have learned the term yet.
Wow. I only went to the church for 2 years and was never baptized, and I heard about the "men become gods" thing about 3 months in, and multiple times after that.
I want to put this out there, its hard to think critically, when they give you logical fallacies to follow your whole life and don't know how to recognize them. I still struggle with identifying logical fallacies because I grew up with them being treated like a real argument.
The becoming a god was the straw that broke my faith. I’m now pagan and still struggle with faith
The hypocrisy drive me crazy!!! Glad I’m not active anymore...
I have NEVER heard about the men turning into gods thing and I'm still thinking about that
Brilliant work! Keep going!
Tithing in Mormonism is basically buying your way into heaven. 😞
Hey, God and Jesus don't work for free--Ya know!
@@mylesmarkson1686 haha lol
Haha lol maybe this is why the churches demands donations~
Great video!
I am 61 and all my life in the church it was always understood that polygamy was practiced in heaven and that that the purpose of this lime was to keep the commandments be married in the temple so that one day we could become Gods and Goddess following the same path that our father in heaven completed durning his mortal existence which continues to be one eternal round. I remember many a discussion in priesthood meeting on this topic. So I when I saw this interview with President Hinckley make this statement calling an established doctrine a couplet which he didn’t understand. I was quite shocking to see an Oracle of truth lying through his teeth.
Ugh! I was somehow unsubscribed from your channel, but I did not manually unsubscribe!! RUclips, nooo!
The prophets and warms don't write their articles. Or talks. So he could've not known, but then, he's a prophet in name only.
It's in the Gospel Principles manual.
11:26
Lol! I love this channel so bad! 😂
I used to be a Mormon, I was always taught the eternal cycle idea of we will become Gods, just like God was a man who had a God who was a man who had a God who was a man, etc, etc, etc.
That's called an infinite regress.
That's a lot of god mouthful, but i digress, since it's called infinite regress
On payday I through my money up to the heavens. What falls back down is mine to keep...
I just hope there isn't a whole lot of wind-action.
I was forced to go to church my whole life. My dad had an affair on my mom and didn’t get excommunicated but my uncle kissed another girl and he got excommunicated. Their rules are all over the place. All my dad does now is talk about the church even tho I see him a couple times a year and it’s destroyed our relationship and same with my other brothers. The best part, my mom stopped making us go after he cheated and he’s fought with her multiple times and sends her church videos. The man who had an affair... sends her church videos.
In Mormonism, there are many plural marriages still, mostly at levels of higher leadership, I was once told by someone who would"know", that" if you could see who was in a plural marriage in the Church, you would be shocked"
I don't doubt him.
@rocky mountain lass probably so, I must say though that most Mormons are good people who don't have more than one Wife. They are great people, neighbors and friends, they are just being deceived into a false belief systems that is in opposition to both the Bible and The Book of Mormon (it explains that God tolerated the Patriarchs plural Wives, but never sanctioned it, and gives a very clear command that"Of Wives you shall have but one, and concubines you shall have none, for it is an abomination unto Me, and the pain you cause My Daughters is why I condemn this practice"
So if you are doing what the Book of Mormon and the Bible state instead of the craziness that obviously took over, there would have never been plural Wives in the first place, and for the life of me I don't see how Joseph Smith got pretty much all on board with a total contradiction in the Law.
But again most Mormons are far removed from this topic, or most meat of the Church, only those who gain power keep going down the exultation path in my opinion.
Take care, God bless you and your family
That ignorant statement by Gordon Hinckley - I don't know if he actually repeated that as a result of being interviewed by Time for the Time Magazine article, or if Time quoted him as having said that in a previous interview.
But the quote that you read was exactly said by "Gordo the Great" (as I have come to call him) while being interviewed by reporter Don Lattin for an article in the San Francisco Chronicle, published April 13, 1997. I of course grew up firmly believing in the oft-repeated Mormon "couplet", "As man is, God once was, and as God is, Man may become." So when I read of Gordo being so incredibly reticent about the concept in the San Francisco Chronicle, I was stunned. I do have a transcript of the SF Chronicle article.
So with some effort, I finally was able to get San Francisco Chronicle reporter Don Lattin on the phone, and to ask him about the interview. He plainly and unemotionally described to me that was exactly what Hinckley said, and that there was no chance of having misquoted him, as Lattin recorded the interview, as did some LDS members of Hinckley's entourage also there at the interview. Latten then reassured me that if he had misquoted Hinckley in the interview, that he most assuredly would have heard back from the LDS Church, which is why they had recorded the interview as well as Lattin.
Keep up the good work, Lexi. Thanks.
i like the lighting. it's soft and different. and by the way, i was taught exactly like you were about becoming a god.
i don't know if mormonism is changing it's teachings. even if they do change, it's still a cult, and it's still based on lie after lie after lie.
when i was a child the story was about gold plates. now the story is about a rock in hat.
the *Church of Contradictions* ... that is about right
Part of this boils down to rationalizing away what leaders in the church have said. "Oh, when he said that, he was talking as a man, not as a prophet"....question being "is that what the attitude was at the time he spoke?" So, we have the recent idea "modern prophets trump dead prophets when they speak." Seeing how many instances exist of dismissing what former prophets have said, in light of what one may say today....of what use is a prophet? Yes, today's prophet may make a statement taken to be doctrine. But if, in twenty, thirty, or forty years, that doctrine is clearly compromised and contradicted by another prophet...what good is the entire process? A few conclusions can be drawn. The men are prophets, receiving revelation from a deity who apparently cannot foresee potentially damaging consequences of a change in doctrine....or the men who play the role carefully craft policy and present it as a revelation, themselves unable to foresee damaging consequences that may require the revelation to be dismissed later. I know which scenario I think it is.