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- DIY home recording studio monitor step-by-step design process. Step #1
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Yes...budget video please. Challenging myself to build a great pair that sound good enough for people to ask about and I can modestly acknowledge..."oh yeah, those are something I threw together in the garage"
Challenge accepted! Budget mind blowers will be on the next project vote! Thanks for watching 🙏🙏
@@KirbyMeetsAudio Thank you sir... don't get me wrong, I was drooling by the end of this video.
Super nice idea!
@@KirbyMeetsAudio when will that be :)
When I thought I was searching for this, I was getting like JBL 305P-ish build. But this is great. It gives me another thought of what kind of monitor that i need.
yes man, budget budget would be very nice!
budget budget budget?
yeah....budget budget or budget budget budget works well lol
i'm currently working on designing a pair of speakers and it would be amazing to watch a budget budget version of this!
I agree
Budget-budget build studio monitors please?
Adam A7X are the best investment I’ve ever made for my craft. Didn’t even fuck with buying anything lower end to start with and I doubt I’ll ever upgrade unless I had a massive cash flow increase to justify it. they’re absolutely incredible monitors.
Heard the synodyne srp 800 ... Blew the competition out of the water...
I used to have the same experience until I realised that all ported monitors actually give muddy low end :/. Going sealed gave me the best clarity ever...
What happened to you bro.... We miss you
So true
Man I’ve been working in audio 10 + years and your telling them the sauce with the stats and the how, you’re a tank for that
Liked before I even started watching because I know that this will be a great video. Seriously, great to see you putting out content again, dude.
And yes, a budget video would be great for those of us with little to no budget for something like this, but want to dip our toes in.
Feels good to dive back in! I really appreciate you watching and commenting! 🙏🙏 Budget budget build will definitely get on the list.
DIY Studio Monitors based on Dynaudio with ribbon tweeters... This is exactly my dream build !👍
I can't be more happy to follow this video series.
Kirby - love the 8" woofers. So many of today's bookshelf manufacturers try to sell us on 5-6" woofers having bass. They don't. I would love to see you duplicate this build with more budget-friendly speaker parts that total under $250 for all parts (not enclosures). Thanks !
they have bass, just needs the proper design for it. a friend of mine built a 3 way monitor that uses a 6.5" driver for the low end, and it can go down to 24hz quite loudly
@@FPSzky 24hz maybe, loud, surely not.
@@SilmarilS79 loud is not the point of studio monitors
6 inch woofers can definitely have bass. The car audio community has figured that out. Ex: Sundown Audio U 6.5
Definetly budget speakers i have some bookshelfs i build 2weeks ago also budget each box has two ciare hw 129 woofer and one impact tweter from some car speakers (dont know the model number) they sound very good also the frequency range goes from 38hz-22000hz my frends came to take a listen to them and they just couldn believe how good they sound for they size. And you also need to use some oldschool drivers that would be interesting for budged othervise great content brother keep up the good work you are definetly a big inspiration to a lot of people including me have a great day
as a music producer, i value this a lot
I GOT SEVERAL PAIR OF MONITORS....I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD.... I once replaced a crossover inside one and it went well...HELL I MIGHT TRY THIS LATER THIS YEAR....NOW, I WANT THOSE RIBBONS !
That tweeter array look like something that Tekton Design would sell haha. Really looking forward to that tweeter array build.
budget-budget sounds nice
I second the budget build. Don’t get me wrong, i’m a studio/audio head so I definitely wanna see how this more expensive build pans out but as a college student working on a couple of 2-way monitors modeled after the yamaha hs8’s while trying to afford to be alive, slightly cheaper drivers would be appreciated lol keep doing your thing Kirby. Love from Atlanta
I finally made some speakers that were heavily inspired by this build. They use a Dayton designer 10”, morel 1308 mid and morel cat 308 tweeter. It’s so sad to not see you upload anymore Kirby. I hope you check back on your channel half as often as I do, because I’m ready for your glorious return. Cheers buddy
I would ABSOLUTELY mix my tracks on a set of Kirby Custom (tm) reference monitors. These look slick.
Do make a budget monitor build! great video thank you so much for your knowledge and build!
I have a pair of Behringer TruthB3031A's and they have ribbon tweeters. You won't be disappointed. These things have a clarity I've never experienced......not to mention the bass that just sort of 'exists' in the room. Kevlar woofs.
I wonder what a 3 way design with the woofer enclosure using a passive radiator would sound like? 🤔
Definitely do the budget budget monitors
3:45 The Yamaha NS-10Ms became famous because Bob Clearmountain used them as his final mix monitor. He chose them because he thought they had the worst sound and if the mix sounded good on the NS-10Ms, it would probably work on anything else. Clearmountain apparently took them everywhere, whatever the job, whatever the studio.
I would do midrage enclosure somewhat wider. Maybe in a form of a truncated pyramid. Having those walls too close to a driver might cause reflections back to a speaker cone and similar to a standing wave resonance.
Also, don't forget to chamfer midrane speaker holes from the inside.
Uuu i saw that inside a barefoot micromain 27
Kirby you could minimise the volume of the mid enclosure by using some 4" pvc pipe instead of mdf
That’s a great point! And I’ve never done that before. 🤔 thanks for watching!
also a pipe reduces reflections vs. a square box for the mid woofer
Amazing stuff. I'm on a budget of a budget of a budget right now lol
Sooo. I can remember when my friend had spent a LOT of cash and a lot of time designing a straight up anechoic chamber for his home studio and personal audio gear. We had to walk up a small set of four stairs before we entered. It wasn’t until after I felt a sway in the floor and that was when I realized that we were standing on this mesh sort of like the stuff for making a chain-link fence(?!!). He went all out on this room to make the thing SO quiet!! So quiet, that the silence was actually paranoia inducing! I know that this room became a very desirable place for testing monitors, and I believe that he was approached by some aerospace contractors, who were interested in testing their wireless gear in that room. And this was literally inside of an average 3 bedroom home. He made at least enough cash to cover all of his expenses including all of the treatments including the hollow floor and the various hardware that he outfitted that room with. He would use this room also to punish his children by forcing them into the room alone and with no sound making devices!? He called it “Quiet Time Out”, and he’d easily use those three words to shut them up in a heartbeat! He wouldn’t ever put any of them in this room for more than two whole minutes, and the insanity of this type of silence could make two minutes scare the ghost out of a person. No joke I passed out, AND pissed myself when I let myself be shut into this room! Anyways, THANK YOU FOR SHARING!
Budget budget powered speaker build would be sick. Going straight out of an interface would be clutch
I know that this channel is oriented towards a Hi-Fi approach, but i would love if you could make the design and maybe the built of a small pa system maybe a 2.1, with a 3-way system or something like that it would be incredible! Keep the awesome work!
dude 4:35 "Not going to be mixing anything." "Not going to be getting expensive drivers that sound absolutely amazing." But you explain very well what monitors are for, and how they are designed to sound flat, and match reference recording attributes that can be measured. They do not exist because of a theory that "if they sound good on these, they'll sound good on anything." A reference monitor is exactly that: a monitor that can play a specific range of frequencies, at a specific dB and reading distance with a distortion level below ____ .
Not trying to be a prick or bust your balls that much- but you're damn close... you know a lot, and seem self taught. I remember your stuff on Betsy years ago. You must have been a kid. I recall some pairs with above average finishes, that looked a lot like some speaker kits I'd seen somewhere... :) I respect the hustle. But. You should use those talents to design and build some real, heavy duty studio reference monitors.
Make some monsters. Go insane. Get a pair of crazy stands in front of the console for TMWW L Woofers are 15" Reference. Behind those, Cabinets hanging from the ceiling from chains. They'll need to be, as the cabinets, bracing, and pairs of 18" sub-woofers will weigh well over 150 pounds each. More subs under desk/ Keep going.
Best "budget" speaker I built were a scoop design with some old Pyle 15" musical instrument speaker and Radio Shack 2x6 horn tweeters. Amazing earth shaking bass, clear midrange, and crystal clear highs. Neighbors hated me. But build for 2 was only $150 for everything.
When you calculate the enclosure's volume for the box within a box, you have to calculate the outside dimensions, minus the front side, of the internal box, when you are subtracting it from the over-all enclosure's volume, to figure out the volume for the main driver, plus the volume of your drivers, and any ports that set inside the box.
Yes 🥰 we want budget studio monitor video ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Anyone have heard or seen of Kirby??? been quiet.. hope him and his family is doing well. ❤❤
I have JBL4311's work great for me. They are the original white damped woofers
I just found this video and love it. What's the difference between monitors and "reference" monitors?
I´ll watch the whole series, keep it up!! Greetings from Mexico!
Budget, budget. Would very much like to see a series on that!
Never mind the Dayton haters. I've been present on the PETT forum off and on over the years, and I've seen Dayton come a LONG way over time. They design some really nice drivers for their brand. Heck... even back in the day, the RS28A or F tweeter was revered by many audiophiles as one of the best "bang for your buck" tweeters on the market.
Man you have my dream job. I’m trying to get there. It’s tough to get the family set then buy tools and parts. It’s really disappointing when money is keeping me from my dreams.
P.s. love ya man
Love you too Matt
You could build speaker cabinets with a rudimentary set of tools. You're not going to match the speed of a commercial shop. But you'd get the job done. Everyone has to start somewhere. It usually isn't at the top either. If money is an object then buy used tools. They're going to be used after you get done using them anyways. I bet I could put together a tool kit with less than $50 to make speaker cabinets. $10 for a circular saw, $20 for a router, $3 for a corded drill and I'm most of the way there.
VISIT HARBOR FREIGHT....THAT IS WHERE I BUY ALL OF MY TOOL FOR CHEAP !!
Great content...Ok,so here is my deal. I have the Alesis Monitor 2 studio monitors which were not that expensive because of a cabinet blemish and they are awesome, I paired then and some Kenwood 3 ways with a Parasound amp. I did buy some Daytons and some Yamaha s and both are still wrapped up. I do want more speakers, nice highs, great mids and accurate, tight lows. I do not have the BOOM,BOOM, when the woofers and flapping, muddy, etc, and do not want it. I want the bass and drums tight, and since I DJ/spin a lot of different music, I want to whole 20-20 or as close as possible. I have seen some Morels/Daytons drivers and those ribbon tweeters before, and thought I might only get that low with 12-15 inch drivers.I have not been having any issues with reproduction of lows, so would be 12 and up be better?..I lke the design you showed with the tweeter array, and what are the advantages of more than one woofer or midrange driver, if any???
Wow. Was literally about to do this build ...but got afraid...then was gunna save up for LYDs....
Hmmmmm. Only going to go with a more powerful 8 inch. So stoked to see this build be completed
I have been on RUclips for like a solid decade, I produce content as well.
But you sir Kirby do absolutely astoundingly awesome on the commentary, and needless to say a superb job on the craftsmanship.
I really respect your in depth ( specificational --- not a real word, i know ) and technical input.
Excellent video quality as well.
Will give you a subscription, already liked the video, and will tune in to check out more of your content.
A+++++ Bro!
The Dynaudio are the ones I have. Those are awesome, these resulted better than focal.
YES Definitely A BUDGET Budget Video doing the same thing. That would be amazing, thanks for everything your already doing. Your video is awesome. I appreciate you sharing all that you share...
Hell Yeah!!! Kirby is a RIT alumni!!!!
I'd like to see a 'reclaimed' monitors type project. GOing to thrift stores and finding drivers in pre-existing speakers, pre-existing housings, and trying to make some workable monitors. It could be a fun learning process!
+1 for budget monitors series! Thanks for doing this!
Budget budget monitors would be great!!!
Hi Kirby. Thanks for your RUclips content which I'm really enjoying. You present the information in a way which enables budding builders to get into it. I'm watching this because one of the kids is getting into dj-ing and a set of monitors would be an ideal project for he and I to do. Following your intro on this video though, I'm wondering what are the differences between the 'artist monitors' you describe and regular hifi speakers which I gather are also intended to make the music sound as good as possible?
I'd like to see a pair of budget powered bookshelves. I'm also looking forward to your home theater build series. Particularly if you're going to try and make it wireless.
Ok, you got a new subscriber. This series is just what I was looking for!
It's great to see someone actually break down the process of monitor building. I've been a fan of your work and I look forward to the rest of this project! Thanks!!
Going passive for studio monitors is a big problem for me. A passive crossover is simply not the way to go. Furthermore most folks don't have a ton of decent amps around. Then there is competition around and you can get decent active monitors like the Behringer B2031A Thruth or the Kali Audio LP-6 for under 300$. Without indepent amps for all drivers this project does not make many sense for me.
Super cool, if you want to hear good monitors look into ATC. They have a 3 way monitor similar to the ones you designed!
Hence why I clicked your video, cause I have those ATCs haha!
Hated them, but to each their own
if you want the best budget tweeters I've heard, check out the peerless ring radiator tweeters. They're pretty great value.
Awesome video dude..... I had a question for you..... 8inch ,4inch, woofers & 2inch Twitter. What is the Watts of this 8inch ,4inch ,2inch speakers.........
hell yess budget budget studio monitors, like less then a hundred a pair,
awesome detail, my goal is to do a wireless bluetooth build this winter!
Some Active powered studio monitors would be great, was hoping thats what these were, never mind, still gonna watch though.
Now that's what I'm talking about!
Thanks for this. I need this. More success and blessings to you
I always call BS on a 32 Hz rating on an 8" woofer system. Yes, theoretically, but not at volume in a very large monitoring space. Bag End delivers a subwoofer system that is theoretically flat to 8 Hz, and it too is (theoretically) truthful. But the devil is in the details, and to get that frequency at volume, you have to build that system out with four sealed 18" cabinets and some hefty amps (and have your room absolutely together). "At volume" in my world, is at calibrated volume for film/master mixing. That's really the bottom line--can the system deliver that response at the mix position, and most specs (even for studio monitoring systems) aren't actually giving you a spec that is comparable to that. It's usually at x dB at some close measure of distance from the cab.
In the weeds, I know, but maybe it explains why frequency range ratings can look impressive, but when you monitor a tune with a low-B bass string fundamental, you find yourself asking, "Where's that bass?"
I have several of those Bag End systems, btw, and they are a thing of beauty. No intent to bash on them, just to illustrate the disconnect between the theoretical spec and the practical implementation in a mix room.
It does also depend on driver though, there are some small drivers that are fairly specialised to just do low end well. Like the 5.25" Tang Band W5-1138SMF absolutely can do 35-40 hz no problem in a ported enclosure. As a result though its not the tightest bass/quickest woofer in the world, but low tones are absolutely achievable.
I've heard the bag end subs. Very impressive if you have the room. Has anyone heard both the bag end and the rythmic subs, and if so, how do they compare?
@@__-fm5qv Well, I concur with that, but again...at volume. Once you've calibrated your monitors for volume (anywhere from 78 db to 83 db, pink noise, mix position) is that system delivering a flat response. And a 5.25" driver system will absolutely not, under any circumstances, deliver what a mix engineer needs. It might deliver an OK speaker system for listening, but it won't deliver a studio monitor that you **know** will translate to most playback systems predictably. And that's where you start getting into big trouble, and you have to do a lot of staring at the driver itself, to see what the exertion is versus what you're hearing. You can do that on a song. It starts getting impractical if you're mixing a film. Granted, I come at this from a situation where I have to send out mixes which may play on big systems...but those are realistic work scenarios for studio monitors. You have to know how a bank of subs with sometimes thousands of watts behind them will behave, or you won't keep working for long.
@@BruceRichardsonMusic This is true. I'm just trying to say for the purposes of these monitors an 8" deliverijg those frequencies is fine. He's not making a purely hardcore professional monitor after all, it's more of a "prosumer" monitor, so it's allowed a little slack imo.
@@jdrissel I have not heard the Rythmic Subs. I checked out their site, and I think they probably compare more to Velodyne's early products that had a similar servo design. I have a couple of the Velodyne 18-inch "Coffee Table" subs that I picked up cheap and put into my soundstage room for mix-testing (and general home theater enjoyment). They sound AMAZING, and I could see mixing with them if I learned them. The servo is really more of an intelligent limiter, as it stops the system from self-destructing when the cones go nonlinear. In my experience, you might get away with a little smaller footprint with them than with Bag End. They're still applying a similar trick with sealed cabinets, although Velodyne and (it appears) Rythmic, too, use some ported designs to save space.
The Bag Ends are a little more purpose designed. You get indicator lights that tell you when the system is limiting, and the limiting is pretty sophisticated. They filter at the fundamental level when the system starts exceeding spec, so you begin to lose the bottom octave, but you retain the rest of the overtone system for a given bass tone. In a way, it functions psychoacoustically like Waves Maxxbass does. You **think** you hear the fundamental, because the overtone series stays intact above it, and your brain concocts a "ghost note," similar to the way musical intervals will cause you to hear a "Tartini tone" that isn't there.
But when you're mixing, those indicator lights basically tell you, "HEY, you need to sculpt on this section, so that you're controlling nonessential cone motion." That's why you can get such tight bass mixing with Bag Ends...not so much that other systems won't let you get to the same result, but that they so clearly indicate when you've got an amp exertion problem.
In the way of contrast, the servo systems are saying the same thing, but just not in a way where you can quickly back up and sculpt on the bass until the indicator stops lighting. Bag Ends have become a bit of a relic...not so much because they're not effective, but just a product of ever smaller mix rooms. Obviously, building a room where you can perceive 8 Hz is tricky and takes some space and design. They're amazing if you have the space and acoustics to use them. Full body experience. There's a scene in the second "Lord of the Rings," where the Ents begin pulling up out of the ground and walking....that's amazing. I have never put a spectrum analyzer on it to see how low it goes, but it makes my vision blurry and feels like an earthquake.
Design the budget budget monitors! With a 10" woofer! See what you get :O. I'm considering making this myself
You should use SB Acoustics drivers. They're the best I've come across for the price by far.
I`d be a big fan of the lower budget Monitors.
I'm not sure if your still answering on comments here or doing anything at all for that matter. But anyways I love watching your videos and I'm about to go down the rabbit hole here and build my own studio monitors
Was so geeked to see a cheap ribbon build and loved seeing that carbon look mid woofer for like $10.
Bummed to see the final driver choice cuz at $335 most upper-entrylevel folks will just end up buying lesser prebuilt units. $250 All in drivers+crossover components would be realistic
wow super eye opening for us Film Composers! christmas is coming early
Adding my vote for a 2-way budget monitor video; 3-way monitors might be overkill :) The right crossover on these is going to be complex and bulky.
Def a little overkill! But I don’t think I’ve done a 3-way design on here before, so it’ll be fun going through the crossover design process. I’ll for sure get a budget budget design going at some point. Thanks for watching!
Please do more videos on studio monitors please Nearfield and Farfield PLEASE!!!
Really like the prospect of this series. Subscribed. Hoping you show a budget-budget series too - a little lighter on the wallet to see if I get joy from building my own speakers or not.
Oh this video got referred to me 1 exact year later - what...
Could it be easy to use some Alesis Monitor One passive speakers with the amp from KRK RP5G3 and some high end tweeters? Would that be as simple as it sounds or would i run into other issues? Just get tweeters that fit into the existing hole then cut a rectangle the KRK amp fits in? or no? and why? ...PLEASE help me! Lol
I want to Learn this! After spending so much on monitors this would save money and gain quality. What tools do I need to do this?
I find tweeters as little as $30, like the tymphany/Peerless HD are linear, accurate, transparent and world class. Silk dome tweeters are phenomenal. A Faitel pro fullrange 3 or 4" makes a great mid. I avoid most metal drivers. Scan speak discovery is a great mid, especially for the money. As to woofer? Various.
I would love to see your attempt at the genelec “the ones”
Yeah budget budget would be fun! And length of video is fine. You are laying down tons of good info which takes time. Love the videos dude!
The reason NS-10 speakers are famous has nothing to do with their sound. Quincy Jones used them to mix Michael Jackson's Thriller. When asked about the equipment he used, he mentioned NS-10's. Then everyone started using them. NS-10's are hi-fi speakers, not reference monitors, some of the models were meant to be mounted on bookshelves, which would make them sound better. You don't necessarily need NS-10's to check midrange on your mixes. Any limited band speaker will do. You could even fashion your own using car speakers.
budget budget monitors go!!!
Wow just noticed you are still on here.So made up.Looking forward to this speaker,The last video that youtube recomended was that little wireless speaker.Now pressed the bell icon.Thanks for all the great ideas
i wanna see budget budget budget budget monitorsss
Thanks!!
Tight budget build for sure.
Sound quality awesome in this small size
Wanna see a more budget video for sure. Maybe a 2-way system to make it cheaper. Entertaining and informative as usual. Congrats on your new shop helper!
Hi Kirb... waiting for episode 2... hurry up lad.... :)
I want to see a budget-budget studio monitor video.
super budget build pls!!!!! Great video btw.
I wanna see budget studio monitors:)
could someone apply the same principles and design tools to build a dance music sound system? there seem to be plenty of resources out there for home building sub woofer enclosures for instance, but there seems to be a lacking in information on the high packs. is there any insight you might have to lend?
Never thought of it but your right, the goals are different for those types of systems, you can find some good info on some pro audio forums
Hey Kirby, glad to see the speaker builds returning! I didn't even know about the poll though. Maybe you could make a short FYI video to announce the poll or something similar in the future? I can see some people want budget builds, but please not too budget. My wallet isn't overflowing with money or anything, but if the speakers don't sound good because of inferior components, what's the point?
I'd love to see budget budget. I found some nice 5" crap mini stereo speakers with broken boxes at the junk yard. They are pretty stiff, and I need monitors because I use too much headphones and my speakers sound very nice lowend, so I struggle to make my mixes balanced.
Dude, this has been super helpful, thank you so much!!
Budget budget 🤘
Looking forward to the follow ups.
Would be keen to see you do the whole guitar/bass amp thing too as the way you present content is really great, but thats a whole other rabbit hole ... Maybe link up and crossover with someone like Rhett Shull
"Dynaudio LYD 48s are pretty easy to design." Yeah, right. Aside from that, great vid, good links!
what if you did a similar build, same budget, but with powered monitors for producing? obviously the amps would incur more cost but this method requires an external amp which would be similar in cost.
Awesome to see you putting out videos again, stayed subscribed just waiting for you to come back lol like everyone else, budget studio monitors would be a great video. Something I can make but not have to invest in so much as a first try lol
it's looking like the price is driven up because of the tools it takes to build the enclosure. I'm willing to bet there's premade enclosures out there that would work super nice to make it hella budget
We are waiting for the next episode, and the result:-).
I need to clarify one thing. The differentiation you made between 2 types of monitors is not really accurate. You said that the monitors like the avantone mixcube (pictured) are supposed to be flat and used for accurate mixing and suggested that larger monitors colour the sound to impress artists. That's not true.
Most of the larger 2 and 3 way monitors are designed to have a flat response over a broad range of frequencies for accurate reference monitoring when mixing.
The Avantone Mixcubes are designed "to replicate the wide range of 'bass-challenged' devices such as car stereos, TVs, clock radios, computers, Bluetooth devices, etc." (From their website) so they are intentionally bad or "coloured" in a bad way.
I'm not saying this to diminish you in any way. Just want to clear it up for people that might have got the wrong idea.
Your design looks really cool and I like the video! I would like to do the same thing myself. Thanks for making it 😊