@@iKonks far from perfect, naturally. Perfect BC micro would be teleporting all the BCs directly on top of the temepests, double yamatoing half of the temepests, and then just out DPsing them.
I liked the bigger battles, even if they were quite a bit longer. I think I still prefer many shorter ones, though. I was completely surprised by that first fight! I wouldn't have guessed jumping would actually help the BCs!
Are protoss units overrated? Except immortals. Archons + carriers cost 3 times the gas but still lost horribly. Tempests are supposed to be the counter to massive ships but still...not even close. I know tempests have range advantage but in reality if BCs warp in to catch them they still stand no chance. Or being chased by marines, golden armada will get obliterated
Well, man with shields and drugs are always the best option and, in the fight between BCs and Tempest, we cannot forget the micro. If in that fight, BCs didnt warp or didnt use yamato, I can sure the defeat of them. But, using 100 yamatos, and jumping right after the shot, make them win this fight easily
Every BC matchup has to account for the opening volley of Yamato's so if it's equal numbers BC's can 1 shot almost anything, and tempests on red are easy mopping up.
Battlecruiser teleport and yamato is just way too strong in group. "Never bet against immortals and zealots together". Baneling are just not made to kill a single ultralisk. Last one was close though. Here carriers scale risk to overwhelm vikings and archons deal bonus damage vs marine + SPLASH which also damage vikings. Still I find marines number is way too high so archons will get stomped and carriers will get 1v2. 4/4 Was pretty easy.
@@anvietanh6723 Good point, that makes sense if it teleports when it has close to 1 hp. Then it can run back and keep attacking instead of being dead assuming it doesn't instantly die when back in range.
4/4! Battlecruiser is just a much better unit than the tempest - the yamato cannon is much better than the tempest's basic attack in the opening salvos, and the basic attack of the battlecruiser is great, too, especially in swarms. That plus the teleport? I would have been incredibly surprised if the battlecruisers lost, since imo it's by far the best aerial unit in the *game*, even moreso in an even fight with protoss's weakest aerial unit. Protoss vs Zerg was closer, but I figured the zealots would hold long enough to give the immortals time to shred through the roaches, especially since the first few will die w/out queen intervention. Roaches and queens are strong, but they can't handle that amount of DPS and survivability. Ultralisks seem difficult to kill, but that one was essentially a coinflip. I guessed right. Protoss vs Terran seemed much more obvious than it ended up being, since the vikings didn't win by as much as I thought they would. Still, carriers are a medium air unit, and 50 carriers are easily annihilated by 100 vikings. Archons vs marines is more difficult, but I think 8 marines would beat an archon, so I just multiplied and ended with a protoss loss.
2/4. I had no clue what bane vs ultra looked like. Also overestimated archons. Tell me, is it cheating to decide "This army if this happens, but if THIS happens, then obviously this other army?" I sometimes do that for the two unit armies, thinking "if the zealots die first, then obviously this army, but if the zerglings die first then obviously the other army". But to be clear, I was 100% immortals all the way. Queens just are so bad in these fights, without creep to go fast and transfuse, while very good, feels like an ability that allows you to see if you are winning or losing a fight before half your units die, so you can perhaps retreat with more units when you are losing. In a direct all or nothing engagement it just makes the fight last longer. At least that is my probably poorly informed opinion.
Transfuse can help you win engagements, keeping your low DPS frontline alive whilst the high DPS backline if free to kill stuff off, but it also acts as a survivability tool. And yes, it is cheating, but there is a short grace period begire submitting your guess in the larger fights. Lets you see if things are derping out and whatnot.
3/4 1) BCs are really good. Tempests are really bad on their own. Kinda easy. 2) I bet against the Immortals. I am a fool for betting against them. If they were Vanguards, it probably would've been a lot more one-sided. 3) I got spoiled on this one, but Ultras have a looooot of HP to chew through, and the tankiness to brush aside most ox the banelings. Maybe if there were about fifty more, it would have flipped? 4) I also got spoiled on this one, but 100 Vikings? Talk about overkill for any other punitive air force.
In fairness for the first fight, the tempests cost far less. Perhaps if the tempests waited (and with somewhat more of them) for the BC's to come closer, they might win
i really wish the bc's in this right click moved instead of attack moving so they would be hitting their shots after killing an enemy instead of having to move up
Eyo 4/4 Battlecruisers are just better than tempests. P might have won if there was no tactical recall, or they had target fire, but since they weren't able to snowball an early lead with their burst they lose. Immortals vs roaches, we all know how this one ends. Lucky guess, but based on the price I felt ultras. Tough one but in smaller numbers I've seen terran win this
Versus tempests are just too nerfed :/ 150 less total hp, so from 450 down to 300, no disintegrate and less damage vs everything but structures. Even with bonus dmg vs air massive, still 8 less per hit.
Versus tempest still do 67 damage vs air massive at +3/3/3, so they are bound to kill stuff despite having 150 less total hp, 8 less damage vs air massive, slower weapon (i think? Depends how accurate the wiki is), and no disintegrate. Disintegrate alone would have left the BCs at 50 hp, - 1 hit away.
Yamato alpha strike is too good. Immortals were being themselves as usual. Ultras are too fat for Baneling splash to really do much. Marines are too good for their cost. Easy 4/4 :D
Only way tempest could have won that one was if their massive range had been allowed to be used and more of less all temptest was allowed to fire, in other words a straight line of tempest against a straight line of battle cruisers and even then i am not sure if they would make given the OP yamato gun.
I love that I've never gotten a single match up wrong in the history of this channel, bit I probably will soon. There's two or three I was questionable on but still ended up being correct.
i stopped following this channel about half a year ago, because ALWAYS, the situation would be either: 1) OBVIOUS end result before the battle even begins or 2) the upgrades shown are LYING, which in turn led to an UNexpected result. ... Now, this episode has popped in front of my eyes and i see that the situation has not changed AT ALL. Only 1 minor thing was that the Ultra vs Bane fight was gonna go 50-50 depending on the Banes' splash spread. So that's the only MINOR exception to the rule.
me gusta ver este canal pero la primera pelea fue muy estupida,,, tempestades sin habilidades contra batecruser con yamato y teletransporte,,, muy irracional.
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That one hero Archon who got in JUST the right spot to avoid the Marines picked off quite a few Vikings. I was kind of rooting for the little guy.
would have been nice to see how many kills he had acquired! :)
Lol same. Until vikings cheated by landing !
Lol last Toss left
The Tempest / BC banter was hilarious
"We seek justice!"
"Patching you through!" *Loads Yamato cannon*
*Something in Protoss*
"Whatever that means!"
Ah that's wonderful, because you can imagine this situation as "That's cool you are a super advanced species, anyway say hello to the Yamato Cannon"
*19 Vikings land all around final Archon*
Archon: "I'm in danger."
It was so obvious! Tempest don't have a chance against BCs unless they double their numbers or are protected!
Yupp, also perfect micro from bc. But in real game it wont happen
Tempests need to be microed, up front they lose hard, especially against yamatoing BCs.
@@iKonks far from perfect, naturally.
Perfect BC micro would be teleporting all the BCs directly on top of the temepests, double yamatoing half of the temepests, and then just out DPsing them.
@@TheRogueminator Are you thinking Purifier Tempests? They would have won that battle.
100 bcs (no yamatho) vs 100 tempest=
Tenpest win
BCs vs BCs without Tactical jump would be cool to see how much the tactical jump micro helps/hurts
tatical jump micro 100% helps in this case, especially a few more projectile would be wasted as it wraps
3/4. Banelings, you still won in my heart.
3/4 banes tricked me too.
@@davidm2031 me tioi
@@sebastjankrek1744 I feel like ultras always win :/
@@davidm2031 I just thought the banes would be enough...
@@sebastjankrek1744 they are always enough in my heart. 😥
Me: go Archoon kill! Win this battle, for Aiur!!!
*Vikings switch to ground version*
Me: nooooooooo!
Poor archon tried his best
Ah the sight of Immortals wrecking everything, and roach bodies flying give me life!
Once in a while, Protoss wins. It doesn’t happen often, but when it does, it makes my day.
Except when it's blink stalkers.
If the transfuse were allowed, I bet the Protoss would still loss...
Are queens armored? Because I was expecting them to beat the immortals but clearly I was wrong
@@runtergerutscht4401 Because it's off creep
@@runtergerutscht4401 Yes.
Battlecruisers? More like Cattlebruisers, amiright?
lol wtf?
When are we gonna get the Tauren Marine in these fights?
1/4
This was a really hard one! Good job! Man 3/3 marines are insane.
I liked the bigger battles, even if they were quite a bit longer. I think I still prefer many shorter ones, though.
I was completely surprised by that first fight! I wouldn't have guessed jumping would actually help the BCs!
the ending quotes are always my favorite
Are protoss units overrated? Except immortals. Archons + carriers cost 3 times the gas but still lost horribly. Tempests are supposed to be the counter to massive ships but still...not even close. I know tempests have range advantage but in reality if BCs warp in to catch them they still stand no chance. Or being chased by marines, golden armada will get obliterated
Protoss units are underpowered, and Terran units are quite OP nowadays (at least in PvT)
Well, man with shields and drugs are always the best option and, in the fight between BCs and Tempest, we cannot forget the micro. If in that fight, BCs didnt warp or didnt use yamato, I can sure the defeat of them. But, using 100 yamatos, and jumping right after the shot, make them win this fight easily
Every BC matchup has to account for the opening volley of Yamato's so if it's equal numbers BC's can 1 shot almost anything, and tempests on red are easy mopping up.
That last lonely Archon 😂 Arty the Archon arrived late to the party and should've just turned around 🤷♂️
Its amazing how AI BCs don't have to look towards the direction where they want to jump
That one archon was the true MVP.
Battlecruiser teleport and yamato is just way too strong in group. "Never bet against immortals and zealots together". Baneling are just not made to kill a single ultralisk. Last one was close though. Here carriers scale risk to overwhelm vikings and archons deal bonus damage vs marine + SPLASH which also damage vikings. Still I find marines number is way too high so archons will get stomped and carriers will get 1v2. 4/4 Was pretty easy.
Wouldn't their DPS be higher without teleport? Teleport only is better if you can repair.
@@sunnybonnell409 yeah but teleport spread the damage more evenly, if they get focused down, less BC means less dps
@@sunnybonnell409 teleport is the closest thing to micro control in these videos, hence why it can be busted
@@anvietanh6723 Good point, that makes sense if it teleports when it has close to 1 hp. Then it can run back and keep attacking instead of being dead assuming it doesn't instantly die when back in range.
@@sunnybonnell409 yep. Full hp or no hp, BC still doin BC damage.
Tempests vs. BCs was about as lopsided as I expected it to be. You could add 50% more Tempests and I'd still go with the BCs.
4/4!
Battlecruiser is just a much better unit than the tempest - the yamato cannon is much better than the tempest's basic attack in the opening salvos, and the basic attack of the battlecruiser is great, too, especially in swarms. That plus the teleport? I would have been incredibly surprised if the battlecruisers lost, since imo it's by far the best aerial unit in the *game*, even moreso in an even fight with protoss's weakest aerial unit.
Protoss vs Zerg was closer, but I figured the zealots would hold long enough to give the immortals time to shred through the roaches, especially since the first few will die w/out queen intervention. Roaches and queens are strong, but they can't handle that amount of DPS and survivability.
Ultralisks seem difficult to kill, but that one was essentially a coinflip. I guessed right.
Protoss vs Terran seemed much more obvious than it ended up being, since the vikings didn't win by as much as I thought they would. Still, carriers are a medium air unit, and 50 carriers are easily annihilated by 100 vikings. Archons vs marines is more difficult, but I think 8 marines would beat an archon, so I just multiplied and ended with a protoss loss.
Ah, it's good to hear the best zerg soundtrack again.
2/4. I had no clue what bane vs ultra looked like. Also overestimated archons.
Tell me, is it cheating to decide "This army if this happens, but if THIS happens, then obviously this other army?"
I sometimes do that for the two unit armies, thinking "if the zealots die first, then obviously this army, but if the zerglings die first then obviously the other army".
But to be clear, I was 100% immortals all the way. Queens just are so bad in these fights, without creep to go fast and transfuse, while very good, feels like an ability that allows you to see if you are winning or losing a fight before half your units die, so you can perhaps retreat with more units when you are losing. In a direct all or nothing engagement it just makes the fight last longer. At least that is my probably poorly informed opinion.
Transfuse can help you win engagements, keeping your low DPS frontline alive whilst the high DPS backline if free to kill stuff off, but it also acts as a survivability tool.
And yes, it is cheating, but there is a short grace period begire submitting your guess in the larger fights. Lets you see if things are derping out and whatnot.
They still transfused. The Brendas care not for the patch.
@@momom6197 I know they transfused, it just wasn't as helpful here as in a real game.
Tempest: 0:32 "victory is asured"
Me looking at unit count: "Oh really abandon ship"
0:50 protoss imba, huh?
The only thing I've seen beat BC in a one to one ratio is Thors. The Ultras didn't even fight, they just tanked the banelings, amazing.
The first one....damn that stomp hurt
That last one! Hilarious
These videos really highlight just how much stronger Terran is than other races
(real)
thats insane totally thought the battlecruisers were going to lose.
They do if both sides a-move, microing damaged bc's with tactical jump op.
lol imagine being that Archon watching your entire army get destroyed and a fleet of vikings go right in front of you
When u think roaches where going to win but immortal is immortal
It's really funny that the Archon says "Dispersing" when the Carriers might have been able to beat the Vikings if they'd done that
Wtf is that first fight, you could have doubled the tempest and they still lose I bet
I would love to see a rematch of 150 Tempest vs 100 Battlecruisers, maybe that still would cut it
In Exchange for value you could place artanises orkan so they would have disintergration
Once again you never bet against immortals. By far the most op units
Does that BC spell works like Stalker's one or something? I don't get the way it's being used.
Man the fucking warp jump is OP
The Ultralisks were like a dog that's stuck its face in front of a water hose
3/4
1) BCs are really good. Tempests are really bad on their own. Kinda easy.
2) I bet against the Immortals. I am a fool for betting against them. If they were Vanguards, it probably would've been a lot more one-sided.
3) I got spoiled on this one, but Ultras have a looooot of HP to chew through, and the tankiness to brush aside most ox the banelings. Maybe if there were about fifty more, it would have flipped?
4) I also got spoiled on this one, but 100 Vikings? Talk about overkill for any other punitive air force.
Now that was great fights
In fairness for the first fight, the tempests cost far less. Perhaps if the tempests waited (and with somewhat more of them) for the BC's to come closer, they might win
i expected the tempests to lose, but it didn't expect it to be that bad
Today on "Pushing Tya's CPU to the limit"
Dang that one Archon
i really wish the bc's in this right click moved instead of attack moving so they would be hitting their shots after killing an enemy instead of having to move up
Eyo 4/4
Battlecruisers are just better than tempests. P might have won if there was no tactical recall, or they had target fire, but since they weren't able to snowball an early lead with their burst they lose.
Immortals vs roaches, we all know how this one ends.
Lucky guess, but based on the price I felt ultras.
Tough one but in smaller numbers I've seen terran win this
Versus tempests are just too nerfed :/
150 less total hp, so from 450 down to 300, no disintegrate and less damage vs everything but structures. Even with bonus dmg vs air massive, still 8 less per hit.
the thing I found funny is no ultralist get a kill. Baneling just pop themselve
I'd be curious to see 100 cruisers vs 100 tempests without yamito cannon
I gotta say, it's kinda hilarious how bad Protoss air is in-game compared to lore.
Whats the number under the mineral and gas cost?
My only thumb rule so far is - if there are marines, marines win!
99% of the time it's correct...
4/4. This one was kinda the most predictable.
Immortals are great, but I wonder how many it would take to defeat Dehaka?
Why the two sides are not equal resources? It grinds my gears.
can u do liberator vs carrier?
Turns out calling a battle cruiser a “match” for a Tempest is an insult… to the cruiser
Thats how i want my opp to use tempest, NO KITING! hahah
How can I make this type of battle on my own star craft?
NEVER BET AGAINST IMMORTALS!
Of course they don't. Tempests are siege units, and suck in straight up fights.
Maybe if they were Artanis' coop tempests...
3/4, thought banes could do it!
that last archon lol.
Guardian and devourer old units for zerg vs new units.
First time I see banes lose, ultras resisted the acid bath
Im suprised that Tempests even managed to kill almost half of the BC's, i thought the would barely kill any of them at all.
Versus tempest still do 67 damage vs air massive at +3/3/3, so they are bound to kill stuff despite having 150 less total hp, 8 less damage vs air massive, slower weapon (i think? Depends how accurate the wiki is), and no disintegrate.
Disintegrate alone would have left the BCs at 50 hp, - 1 hit away.
@@dimitarlinov2393 There is 66 bc left out of 100, tempest only killed 1/3rd, its not really close.
@@stc2828 and all of them on low hp
4/4 interesting comps
Yamato alpha strike is too good. Immortals were being themselves as usual. Ultras are too fat for Baneling splash to really do much. Marines are too good for their cost. Easy 4/4 :D
BC should teleport on top of the tempest? Instead of away
Only way tempest could have won that one was if their massive range had been allowed to be used and more of less all temptest was allowed to fire, in other words a straight line of tempest against a straight line of battle cruisers and even then i am not sure if they would make given the OP yamato gun.
So what do tempests do again
Never bet agaist tanks and Immortals
Answer: Ye, they're.
I will always consider the protoss dumbasses for fighting melee while having such an advanced technology, look at those immortals go brrrrr.
Golden what? Golden WHAT?
They made orcans so dirty
Disintegrate tempests might of had a better chance.
200 tempest vs 100 battlercruiser
Immortal just too strong, that last 32 just eradicate some 40+ Roaches and Queens, only losing one immortal in the process
honestly no micro BCs would still body those tempest
Fix Tya's zerg defense map pls. Queens dont heal. Swarm host doesnt work :(
i miss the overlords T_T
Bruh
I love that I've never gotten a single match up wrong in the history of this channel, bit I probably will soon. There's two or three I was questionable on but still ended up being correct.
nice 1
i stopped following this channel about half a year ago, because ALWAYS, the situation would be either:
1) OBVIOUS end result before the battle even begins
or
2) the upgrades shown are LYING, which in turn led to an UNexpected result.
...
Now, this episode has popped in front of my eyes and i see that the situation has not changed AT ALL.
Only 1 minor thing was that the Ultra vs Bane fight was gonna go 50-50 depending on the Banes' splash spread. So that's the only MINOR exception to the rule.
3/4 the carreira ler me down in this
thanks for showing me that BC beat Tempests. I just need Maru's micro.
terran op
Wtf no purple upgrades on tempest
That’s 50 immortals
Tempests are such a bad unit compared to the other capital ships of the same cost
bcs being bieeg flying stalkers
4/4. Banelings don't lose, shut up.
That first fight was dumb as sh*t. Of course BC are going to win.
me gusta ver este canal pero la primera pelea fue muy estupida,,, tempestades sin habilidades contra batecruser con yamato y teletransporte,,, muy irracional.
3/4
Next time try to micro not only BTCs
1/4