First thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. Not yet, but I train Tegumi of Koryu Uchinadi from Hanshi Patrick McCarthy, and it has A LOT to do with this practices. And it's amazing to correct your technique while doing it again and again and again and again fluidly, against someone!!! And not thin air :)
Well, its now almost 9 years of Escrima training, in combination with Wing Tsun Kung Fu (12 years). And it's an awesome combination. Escrima teached me to be a little more direct ( i try to avoid the word aggressive) and Wing Tsun teached me to direct the force of my Opponent.
Yes, I learned Arnis & Goju Ryu together; that I thought they were one thing. Several Goju Ryu schools in the NY & NJ area have been doing it since the 1960s. Victor Buddy Amato was my instructor. Other sensei who teach both are Frank Ruiz, Wilfredo Roldan, Marty Manuel, Ken DeJesus, William David Valdés, & Haris Shahdin.
@@joshuarecinto4648 thatś what I teach. Not Sport FMA, Eclectic. I Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." Centuries before Bruce Lee even thought this it was written in the Bible.
I guess the main origin is India. Remember Bodhi Dharma and Kalaripayattu the ancestor of KUNG-FU. Philippines was under the 2 rivals Hindu Empire the Maja Pahit Kingdom and Vijaya (Visaya) Kingdom around 1300-1500 AD.
I dont remember having a back kick in kali, my grandfather know kali and arnis from his father and his father's farthers'. He taught me before he died in 2016, he joined the guerella warfare, killed enemies in hand to hand combat. I once have a spar with him he destroyed my "arnis sticks" in one sec and told me me "Your dead" He also told me before he passed away. Kali is used for disarming, defending, and killing your enemy without mercy, kali isnt a flashy move u make it is about how used it in real death battling situation -My grandfather at his deathbed
@@nathandale4310 if it's about perspective it's both wrong and right. when war is happening its style of art about killing and self-defense at the same time. it's about the era and how you use it. when your enemy has a gun you will use it to kill to survive. not for fucking self-defense.
@@nathandale4310 wrong!!! Please no your wrong!!! kali has only one purpose to kill, it is not build for self defense or anything,. Thats why it is not considered as combat sports,. Kali martial arts is instant kill,. It passed down generation to generation from family to family, it is not thought outside of the family,. the one you see in commercialized kali is just lower kali or a soft form kali like arnis, eskrima, balintawak etc,... you can immitate kali, but you will never learned kali when your heart is not ready,. Because this art form need responsibility
@@nathandale4310 About that self-defense is right about this era but... in the core of it all @DekdokTV is right, i'm a "former" practitioner of kali/arni/escrima here in cebu but i left, because of it's original core. It's a kill or be kill, if your opponent wont back down, you have to put him/her down. I don't want to have that skills while i have a anger management issue. FYI: i became a practitioner when i was in 3rd year high school ( part of the school extra curriculum for grades, just started that year by the principal up until he was replace) to 1st year collage (when i was recruited by my former instructor in high school to be part of the extras Instructor, i was in my green), joined several training camps and small competition but left after i review a video with (a) also a former practitioner who had a fight on a street who broke someones arm. -_-
@@nathandale4310 About that self-defense is right about this era but... in the core of it all @DekdokTV is right, i'm a "former" practitioner of kali/arni/escrima here in cebu but i left, because of it's original core. It's a kill or be kill, if your opponent wont back down, you have to put him/her down. I don't want to have that skills while i have a anger management issue. FYI: i became a practitioner when i was in 3rd year high school ( part of the school extra curriculum for grades, just started that year by the principal up until he was replace) to 1st year collage (when i was recruited by my former instructor in high school to be part of the extras Instructor, i was in my green), joined several training camps and small competition but left after i review a video with (a) also a former practitioner who had a fight on a street who broke someones arm. -_-
People act like these martial arts magically fell from the sky, and have no connection. They are all linked. People travel and try new things. When the see something they like it gets added.
With the filipinos they added what they survived with. Filipinos were slaved to the spaniards using them to clear new territories when venturing to new lands. Filipinos have fought everywhere and fought so many different styles and armoury. So many of the various weapons were designed for various armor and styles were what the surviving filipinos brought back with them
@@warzoneidiot881 it’s true that Filipino mixed different styles in their art but kali is already exist before Spanish lol, because that’s the martial art of Southeast Asian,
@@johnlawrence6484 kali did not. Its a very recent term. It's widely known now. I grew up in stockton california also known as little manila and no one ever said kali. It was always escrima and escrimador.
@@warzoneidiot881 then why travel to Southeast yourself and study the neighbor country of ph because the name kali it self came from the sword kris kalis or etc. you’re offending the Southeast people come on.
Hi, I noticed the Baybayin letters in your shirt that's supposed to mean Kali, but unfortunately there is no acriptic in the L, so what is really written in your shirt is Kala.
That’s the widely accepted baybayin for Kali. The only missing part is the punctuation that turns a La into a Li. Most FMA schools use that both locally and abroad.
@@tobygenato8707 hmmm....I see, but I'm just curious, do you know why it happened...? I tried searching for it, but I can't find the answer, thank you.
@@kennethcastaneda6848 What do you mean how it happened? Is it regarding the spelling or the word? The word Kali as some associate it as a abbreviation of two Ka Li. The “rumor” (I use the word rumor because there is no definite historical account as to the true origins of it as we have an oral tradition.) is that it means Ka-runingang Li-him (secret knowledge) or some other Visayan wordings that mean the same thing. In reality, the popularization of the word Kali cane about in the late ‘70’ to early ‘80s as it slowly gathered popularity in the West particularly in California. Some even associate the word Kali to Cali as Phil-Americans tried ti tie it to their roots after all, a lot if Filipino Masters and Grandmasters migrated to the US in the 60s hence the spread of the art in the US. The world Kali got popular here in the early 90s. If your notice, a lot of older arts either used the words Arnis (from Armas de Mano), Eskrima (Panay/Visayan region), Estokada (Central Tagalog) and Kalis (Visayan/Moro influence).
@@awtzzzzzzz2151 From my experience. All the martial arts i have seen an/or done, have some "flashy" moves. Or things that look cool and flashy but are not meant for practical fighting the way it is taught. They are done for different purposes. Having said that, even some flashy moves can still have practical applications.
@@senseiSinclair I think it's that those movements derived from something practical, and became fancy ritualistic movements to show off athleticism which could've have added in the presentation of the senseis, gurus, teachers, instructors, sifus etc.
and the scene from the bourne identity when Jason fights against an agent sent by the CIA to eliminate him in that apartment, Jason finds him with a knife in his hand and to take advantage he quickly grabs a pencil with which he cuts and destroys his opponent's arms and the rest is history
Great timing on this! I had just watched Jesse's video the other day and was extremely fascinated by it being that I started in Shorin Ryu (Nidan) but have been training in Kali (also JKD and Silat) for the last 15 years. Very interesting the possible lineage of it all. Thanks and you now have 1 more subscriber ;)
Great video. I myself came from a karate background then got into Kali, Eskrima. Kali is my main system. I have had the opportunity to actually go back to my old karate school and teach them Filo martial arts. The connection is absolutely there.
You don't know shit, bro. Karate is empty hand. FMA is weapons based. No connection. One didn't beget the other. Jesse's an idiot and you don't know shit.
@@J3unG Ever heard of Kobudo? And Kali isn't just weapon-based, it's the lowest/most basic training of the art, when you're better at it, you train empty-handed.
I kid you not this guy looks like a British viking that has that one cool American math teacher aura around him while also looking like the one guy she tells you not to worry about
that's because he cross trained with Dan Inosanto.. Dan taught Bruce Lee arnis and Bruce Lee taught Dan Jeet kun do, it was teacher-student relationship and vice versa
I love this!! I am on the SAME path. I've been practicing both FMA and Karate for a long time, and I've studied a few other arts as well. Over the past few year, I've developed a real passion for searching out the connections between these arts and pulling their practical applications into my training. Now I see connections everywhere. But specifically, the similarities in movement and principles between the FMA and Okinawan Karate have become SO clear to me, and I truly love studying both arts and allowing the practice of each to influence my expression of the other. Thanks for your thoughts!!
What I understand from FMA is for quick kill. Effective for real combat that is why it is embrace in Arm forces training not only in the Philippines but also around the world...
What a beautiful video! I am also a student of grandmaster Ernesto. I also see the connections. Many may not know that grandmaster was also into Judo. Connection between FMA and jujitsu is also so very strong! Grandmaster always used to say “it’s all the same”. A simple but profound statement. Keep up the great work, I am thankful I learned about your channel.
I started with karate. Ten years later I started Modern Arnis. It's a rich art, one that informs my karate. I agree with your comments about the way that karate is taught in a sort of fragmented way. I'm glad there are people out there uncovering the mysteries of karate and developing the practical aspects of karate. I'm new to your channel but like your inclusive approach. Keep it up!
Totally agree with the linking of the Karate, Kali, Kyusho Jitsu, and small circle jujitsu. The more I study and experience different arts the more I see relationships between body movements, body mechanics, and concepts. I have incorporated these arts in my training for 20 years or so. It has been an eye opener for me. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The depth of your sharing a here is proof of completely understanding the methods and outcomes of FMA Few have made or shared their understanding in a video. So much important in this video . Thank you.
I just started training in Pakamut, and i like it so far. I have belts in shotokan, TKD, American Kenpo, and Aikido. Im looking to broaden my knowledge and and more tools to my tool box.
Thank you so much Ken san for the mention ... much appreciated. I encourage the both of you to continue on with the investigative & cross-comparative studies and present your discoveries, to not only document your journey of learning, but so that others may benefit, too, as we're all in this together and there is no single authority nor definitive source of knowledge. Might I also recommend exploring the following pathways; Muay-boran, Silat & Catch-Wrestling [if you haven't already done so] 🙇🏻♂️
its amazing that you guys are starting to unwrapped a whole new idea and lineage of this two cultures together. keep this up! i think you are on the right direction
i'm not into martial arts and just happened to see this. but the way you described the Kali basic movements as something of adaptability, is very Filipino way of thinking.
Me too! common themes should appear across martial arts. Rick Faye founder of the Minnesota Kali Group says Kali shouldn't replace your art, it enhances it! I've been stuck in it ever since!
@@kenfutv It goes both ways. 😁 I have my foundation and regular routine in 3 schools of FMA. But I like to moonlight in other systems from time to time. Partially because its fun and fascinating, but also to lessen my internal echo chambering. I like how aspects of another system may complement the material that I am more familiar with. The greastest benefit I feel like I have gained from FMA, is its very open ended Plug & Play approach. Sort of like it being a jack-of-all-trades / master-of-none (except blades... it kind of excels at those). No matter what I have tried, whether it be BJJ, Western Boxing, Shorinji Kempo, HEMA, Shoot Wrestling, Muay Thai, Goju Ryu Jujutsu, or Baji Quan Kung Fu... I felt that I could straight off the bat follow what was being done (and got several compliments for it). Largely thanks to how adaptive my FMA conditioning was. I did struggle with Krav Maga though. 😆 Karate is still on my to-try list however. It was quite a trip to watch the Karate Culture YT channel. When I caught my first glimpse of those guys, my bias from South Pacific MA immediately sprang into action and made my think "are they... doing Silat?". Only to realize some 2 minutes in that "Oh, shit! This is Karate!". Because they like to look at commonalities and draw the parallells. Pretty cool. Thanks for a very interesting video. Keep up the good work.
I am also very grateful for having met and taken classes with Guro Faye, during my brief visit to Minneapolis. That was definitely a memorable experience.
Actually the Filipino is viking of Asia.,ancient Filipino travel to china to get metal to use as weapon.,ancient Chinese is afraid when they see a full body tattoo attacking there town.,
A Viking and a Visayan raider (Mangangayaw) would be able to build camaraderie since they're both pirates who love to loot other kingdoms for precious metals... A Samurai? I think they would go well with the Timawa(Visayan) or Maharlika(Luzones) since both of them are warrior class bound to answer to their lords (Maginoo=Luzones, Tumao=Visayans)
His video led me here. Jesse seems to have a very inquisitive and open mind. In an art that has become so rigid, he is a rare sensei/sifu. He has the ravenous curious mind of a new student yet, the approach of scholar who understands the value of accepting your ignorance. That is the formula for gaining real knowledge. I hope to live long enough to see traditional martial arts remember their roots as diverse and adaptive combat arts, and disprove the modern assumption that they are useless in modern combat In a world dominated by mma
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 1 Corinthians 8:2 But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 1 Corinthians 8:3 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6
I started in Isshinryu back in the late 60s before I entered the military in the early 70s.. It was through this that I was able to travel to the Philippines and train with my instructors in Combat Judo Karate which is a combination of the Japanese arts along with the FMA. Comjuka is a mixture of Matsumura shorinryu and Yamaguchi Goju ryu which my instructor was taught after ww2.. The FMA influences of the art comes from the Sinko Tiros and Balintawak eskrima as my instructor trained in after the war.. He taught several generations of American military personnel from the late 60s until his passing in 2006.. I have been involved with this instructor and was awarded my 5th dan blackbelt prior to his passing.. I have been teaching this since 1975 .. The FMA from this system intertwines with the linear and circular aspects of both shorinryu and goju ryu by teaching the concept of angles in both the attack and footwork.. this makes the system unique as it is one of the first martial arts that I have ran across during my travels in the states and the asian martial arts community to expand and combine the two combative cultures..
I've trained in Karate, TKD, Hapkido and Arnis/Kali. I strive every day to show these similarities to my students. This was an excellent video from start to finish. I especially like what you said about giving back to your students and not being afraid to share your knowledge and let them train themselves.
I trained JKD for many years starting when I was in High School. As I'm sure you are aware, we trained in many styles especially Kali/FMA Muay Thai, boxing, Wing Chun, and other forms of Kung Fu, grappling etc. I spent 3 years in Okinawa while I was in the Navy and got to train with some Karate masters. They also loved seeing my techniques and training style as well. Great exchange of knowledge. I was always so busy with my military work I didn't have nearly as much time to train as I would have liked to, but I also loved training my military guys as well.
Why this doesnt have more than a million views. Come on ! This is a very good video. Tsss. Kudos to this guy. Thank you brother. More of this !!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
This is perfect I follow both of you and the way you explain it is perfect thank you so much for explaining and also those moves are almost the same you are totally right and the karate nerd too both of u are amazing thanks for teaching me this things
As a practitioner of FMA I liked his observations I think the modern connections that we see are largely due to the integration of Karate into various FMA styles since my teachers in FMA made no secret about the fact that they crossed trained in martial arts from other cultures part of the brilliance of FMA is the ability to adapt to and make use of techniques and concepts from other arts. Love FMA, love Karate, great arts thank you.
Great video Ken! I have been teaching FMA for over 30 years. Fully agreed... Cross training adds perspective to your study. As my teacher Remy said, “It is all the same!” Translations is my favorite part... It’s about the base movement! Great work!!!
This is great. Anyone who goes thru different styles and is awake can begin to see similarities. Leave the ego and style cult aside! I agree w your support for Jesse ! Subscribed!
Your on point brother, we need to help each to improve not only martial arts but in life it self that's what martial art is promoting helping each other
So Karate and Kali may share a link, which is very cool! Seems like they'd be great to crosstrain. Do you know of any other striking arts that would cross well? Kali has some pretty unique footwork. I also wonder if any grappling arts may cross well with it?
Here’s a useful way to look at that juji uke. Instead of viewing it as a one block view it as 4. It is a reminder that you have the option to block an attacker inside or outside. Also if you are following a kata like chinto the next movement depends on the way you previously blocked.
If there is a Filipino here, notice that he has alibata/baybayin in his shirt which is unfortunately written as kala, if there is a dot on the top of la it can be read as kali
Alibata is ARABIC WRITING SYSTEM means ALIF, BA, TA term used by an American Anthropologist... BAYBAYIN is the correct word refer to Tagalog Writing system.... On tht guy's shirt baybayin i read *KALA* it has no dot above so we read KALA instead of KALI
Excellent video! Jesse's video is amazing as well! I began my FMA journey by happy accident with joining a eclectic club(lots of diverse intstructor level 'students from various other martial arts, I was the newbie) when I was 12 (now a year from 50 lol). A vast majority of my personal research in FMA has been focused on the Spanish and Indonesian connection. Knowing the importance of the PI's history with regards to trade routes, I've appreciated these well thought out explorations of a Filipino/Japanese connection to their respective Martial Arts and it's implications/lessons towards a free sharing of information across boundaries to our collective benefit.
Hi Ken, Francis here. Nice video... I have been a practitioner for over 20+ years of Filipino Martial Arts. So I appreciate both you and Jesse Enkamps insights. But if you are basing this on Modern Arnis, well from what I understand Professor Remy Presas motivation to creating the Modern Arnis curriculum is his attempt to copy the Japanese system. The incorporation of belts and ranking system. Maybe it went deeper than that? And I do believe that he also had a Karate Influence as well.
fyi: alot of FMA/arnis/escrima/kali filipino masters/grandmasters are also black belts of shotokan karate(and other martial arts). its not surprising to see some similarities also with others since we filipinos like to copy what we see is good and effective then modify/integrate it in our own. also, it is the duty of everyone who is practicing the art to "evolve" the art once you got that sufficient level of expertise. since the battlefield is also evolving in which the FMA is primarily used.
We have our own form of karate like taekwondo called Sikaran the difference is sikaran is a kicking base martial arts with the hands only used to parry
Wrong...they are the ones who copy Kali. Ancient travellers and traders have seen the system... Even craftmanship in goldsmithry, the ancient Filipinos are already ahead from other civilizations in the world.
those words i have said came from the lips of some masters themselves. well i cant also disagree with your argument since alot also of our fma heritage is lost due to time and efforts of our past conquerors. theres a possibility that we might be the "original's" of those techniques long ago. 🤔
@@jeffreysalayon9796 my grandfather learned "kali" from his father and to his great grandfather. My pops taught me kali in the old way and i can see similarities of blade movements and defending
Awesome video Ken. I like the largo version of hubud in Jesse's video. Haven't trained karate but I have trained in kali for a few years. A+ as usual sir.
IMO, Arnis, Eskrima, and Kali are cousins. The evolution works due to geographical areas where tribal wars were more common than any other places. As people moved to adopt the progress thru the years, so as Filipino Martial Arts. Thanks for the video.
Awesome video sir. It’s refreshing to see others on the same path, especially when it often times feels like a lonely one. I personally train Okinawa Kenpo/Kobudo as well as Jiu Jitsu. The similarities are so intertwined that I no longer view them as different arts per se as much as just a change in what is focused upon. Looking forward to seeing your content (past and future)!
My cross training of tkd, kung-fu and bjj has really helped me overall. The kf allowed me to relax and this supports my bjj. TKD helped my kf because it allowed me to sharpen my kicking techniques Bjj helped my stand up by showing that they can be ruined if I can't defend takedowns Keep up the good work 🥋
I loved dual stick fighting. I got to train on occasion with kali experts for the hell of it. Maybe I ought to get back into it when all this COVID business finally starts to get under control.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing. I enjoy it when martial artists from different backgrounds see each other's skill sets for what they are, and learn form it. I have been fortunate, to over the past 40 years to have trained in karate, Ryu-Kyu Kobujutsu, Eskrima (Filipino kali/Arnis and more recently Japanese Koryu (Tenshin Shōden Katori Shinto Ryu). It's only now that I am able to fully appreciate these discussions without politics and ego getting in the way.
The FMA is also an excellent exposure what the Filipino culture is. FMA looks for connection in all the methods we teach. Our culture seeks connection and not separation.
Brother this is interesting. We call them beat drills in my kenpo system. Which from there you can see chi Sao and others. Martial arts fascinate me. I think in a lot of ways they connect us more than we want to think.
What I mean, is, Japanese and Chinese aren't exactly the same, in the regard that Japanese people can't fully read Chinese and 100% understand everything and vice versa. You guys are taking me too literally.
Do you train kali?
First thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience.
Not yet, but I train Tegumi of Koryu Uchinadi from Hanshi Patrick McCarthy, and it has A LOT to do with this practices.
And it's amazing to correct your technique while doing it again and again and again and again fluidly, against someone!!! And not thin air :)
Well, its now almost 9 years of Escrima training, in combination with Wing Tsun Kung Fu (12 years). And it's an awesome combination. Escrima teached me to be a little more direct ( i try to avoid the word aggressive) and Wing Tsun teached me to direct the force of my Opponent.
Yes, I learned Arnis & Goju Ryu together; that I thought they were one thing. Several Goju Ryu schools in the NY & NJ area have been doing it since the 1960s. Victor Buddy Amato was my instructor. Other sensei who teach both are Frank Ruiz, Wilfredo Roldan, Marty Manuel, Ken DeJesus, William David Valdés,
& Haris Shahdin.
Arnis. Period. Kali is a made-up term conceived by our fil-am cousins. Period.
@@mariusschleicher5046 bs.
Thanks for sharing this! 🙏 Keep up the great work 👊 Karate Nerds 4 Life!! 🥋
Collab collab collab pls
You rock, Karate Nerd! I won't say OSS, but I will say Excellent Job, WELL DONE!
Acient time lapu lapu did kill magellan very old fma using killing method eskrima/kali
@@joshuarecinto4648 thatś what I teach. Not Sport FMA, Eclectic. I Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." Centuries before Bruce Lee even thought this it was written in the Bible.
I guess the main origin is India. Remember Bodhi Dharma and Kalaripayattu the ancestor of KUNG-FU. Philippines was under the 2 rivals Hindu Empire the Maja Pahit Kingdom and Vijaya (Visaya) Kingdom around 1300-1500 AD.
Karate Nerd in the Philippines....that would be a great series!!!!!!
I'd definitely binge it!
@@kenfutv I would be asking to be his tourguide as I have contacts all over the Luzon and some of my contacts are national coaches for the karate team
If he go to Philippines he will learn sayonachi the secret Filipino skill
@@MagicNibor heheh sabay takbo
Can u also add food aside from training.....
I dont remember having a back kick in kali, my grandfather know kali and arnis from his father and his father's farthers'. He taught me before he died in 2016, he joined the guerella warfare, killed enemies in hand to hand combat. I once have a spar with him he destroyed my "arnis sticks" in one sec and told me me "Your dead"
He also told me before he passed away. Kali is used for disarming, defending, and killing your enemy without mercy, kali isnt a flashy move u make it is about how used it in real death battling situation -My grandfather at his deathbed
Ikr just showing your back means your dead.
@@nathandale4310 if it's about perspective it's both wrong and right. when war is happening its style of art about killing and self-defense at the same time. it's about the era and how you use it. when your enemy has a gun you will use it to kill to survive. not for fucking self-defense.
@@nathandale4310 wrong!!! Please no your wrong!!! kali has only one purpose to kill, it is not build for self defense or anything,. Thats why it is not considered as combat sports,.
Kali martial arts is instant kill,. It passed down generation to generation from family to family, it is not thought outside of the family,. the one you see in commercialized kali is just lower kali or a soft form kali like arnis, eskrima, balintawak etc,...
you can immitate kali, but you will never learned kali when your heart is not ready,. Because this art form need responsibility
@@nathandale4310 About that self-defense is right about this era but... in the core of it all @DekdokTV is right, i'm a "former" practitioner of kali/arni/escrima here in cebu but i left, because of it's original core. It's a kill or be kill, if your opponent wont back down, you have to put him/her down. I don't want to have that skills while i have a anger management issue. FYI: i became a practitioner when i was in 3rd year high school ( part of the school extra curriculum for grades, just started that year by the principal up until he was replace) to 1st year collage (when i was recruited by my former instructor in high school to be part of the extras Instructor, i was in my green), joined several training camps and small competition but left after i review a video with (a) also a former practitioner who had a fight on a street who broke someones arm. -_-
@@nathandale4310 About that self-defense is right about this era but... in the core of it all @DekdokTV is right, i'm a "former" practitioner of kali/arni/escrima here in cebu but i left, because of it's original core. It's a kill or be kill, if your opponent wont back down, you have to put him/her down. I don't want to have that skills while i have a anger management issue. FYI: i became a practitioner when i was in 3rd year high school ( part of the school extra curriculum for grades, just started that year by the principal up until he was replace) to 1st year collage (when i was recruited by my former instructor in high school to be part of the extras Instructor, i was in my green), joined several training camps and small competition but left after i review a video with (a) also a former practitioner who had a fight on a street who broke someones arm. -_-
People act like these martial arts magically fell from the sky, and have no connection. They are all linked. People travel and try new things. When the see something they like it gets added.
With the filipinos they added what they survived with. Filipinos were slaved to the spaniards using them to clear new territories when venturing to new lands. Filipinos have fought everywhere and fought so many different styles and armoury. So many of the various weapons were designed for various armor and styles were what the surviving filipinos brought back with them
@@warzoneidiot881 it’s true that Filipino mixed different styles in their art but kali is already exist before Spanish lol, because that’s the martial art of Southeast Asian,
@@johnlawrence6484 kali did not. Its a very recent term. It's widely known now. I grew up in stockton california also known as little manila and no one ever said kali. It was always escrima and escrimador.
@@johnlawrence6484 read grandmaster giron's book. He fought during WWII and he himself never mentioned Kali. It was escrima and escrimador
@@warzoneidiot881 then why travel to Southeast yourself and study the neighbor country of ph because the name kali it self came from the sword kris kalis or etc. you’re offending the Southeast people come on.
Hi, I noticed the Baybayin letters in your shirt that's supposed to mean Kali, but unfortunately there is no acriptic in the L, so what is really written in your shirt is Kala.
That’s the widely accepted baybayin for Kali. The only missing part is the punctuation that turns a La into a Li. Most FMA schools use that both locally and abroad.
You both damn right, I've been learning Baybayin since last month
@@classicalc.d.f.c5373 congratulations for your progress... keep it up
@@tobygenato8707 hmmm....I see, but I'm just curious, do you know why it happened...? I tried searching for it, but I can't find the answer, thank you.
@@kennethcastaneda6848 What do you mean how it happened? Is it regarding the spelling or the word?
The word Kali as some associate it as a abbreviation of two Ka Li. The “rumor” (I use the word rumor because there is no definite historical account as to the true origins of it as we have an oral tradition.) is that it means Ka-runingang Li-him (secret knowledge) or some other Visayan wordings that mean the same thing. In reality, the popularization of the word Kali cane about in the late ‘70’ to early ‘80s as it slowly gathered popularity in the West particularly in California. Some even associate the word Kali to Cali as Phil-Americans tried ti tie it to their roots after all, a lot if Filipino Masters and Grandmasters migrated to the US in the 60s hence the spread of the art in the US.
The world Kali got popular here in the early 90s. If your notice, a lot of older arts either used the words Arnis (from Armas de Mano), Eskrima (Panay/Visayan region), Estokada (Central Tagalog) and Kalis (Visayan/Moro influence).
Kali is a smooth flow of martial arts, to aim is to subdue the enemy as quick as possible, thats become deadly indeed
The aim of all combat is the same. Martial arts is the art of war.
@@senseiSinclair sadly most "teachers" teach the art of flexing newly found martial knowledge.
The aim primarily is to kill. No flashy moves like spinning back kick. It is a direct point A to point B result.
@@awtzzzzzzz2151 From my experience. All the martial arts i have seen an/or done, have some "flashy" moves. Or things that look cool and flashy but are not meant for practical fighting the way it is taught. They are done for different purposes. Having said that, even some flashy moves can still have practical applications.
@@senseiSinclair I think it's that those movements derived from something practical, and became fancy ritualistic movements to show off athleticism which could've have added in the presentation of the senseis, gurus, teachers, instructors, sifus etc.
I met an old man here in Cebu province. They called them a grandmaster. I thought he is a grandmaster in chess but it is a kali master. 😂
Kali is like "whatever you can hold it will be dangerous even pencil or toothpick"
John wheck
@@darylburon6321 jan wek dong ..
It will keel
A fuckin.. penseel.
and the scene from the bourne identity when Jason fights against an agent sent by the CIA to eliminate him in that apartment, Jason finds him with a knife in his hand and to take advantage he quickly grabs a pencil with which he cuts and destroys his opponent's arms and the rest is history
Great timing on this! I had just watched Jesse's video the other day and was extremely fascinated by it being that I started in Shorin Ryu (Nidan) but have been training in Kali (also JKD and Silat) for the last 15 years. Very interesting the possible lineage of it all. Thanks and you now have 1 more subscriber ;)
Great video. I myself came from a karate background then got into Kali, Eskrima. Kali is my main system. I have had the opportunity to actually go back to my old karate school and teach them Filo martial arts. The connection is absolutely there.
You don't know shit, bro. Karate is empty hand. FMA is weapons based. No connection. One didn't beget the other. Jesse's an idiot and you don't know shit.
@@J3unG you didn't know early Karate had weapons? 🙄🙄🙄
@@J3unG Ever heard of Kobudo? And Kali isn't just weapon-based, it's the lowest/most basic training of the art, when you're better at it, you train empty-handed.
@@J3unG with or without weapon Kali is deadly... Empty hand is the most advance one in the decipline...what the heck...😅😅😅
the "ᜃᜎ" on your shirt says "ka la"
there should be a dot on top of the 2nd character for it to be a "le/li"
it should be "ᜃᜎᜒ"
Oh yeah your right ! Lol!
空手that thing and 柔道 lol
He used the older writing system which do not include the virama -Baybayin b17
B17-ᜃᜎ
B17+-ᜃᜎᜒ
Baybayin is like chinese characters..
How jn the world did u typed baybayin? holy
I kid you not this guy looks like a British viking that has that one cool American math teacher aura around him while also looking like the one guy she tells you not to worry about
looks Scandinivian thou hehehhehehe
The way you describe Kali’s approach at 10:00 pretty much sounds like the art of swordsmanship applied to empty hand fighting.
Stick fight actually into hand fight and yes a bolo hit is applied
Aikido was evolved from the katana sword system
Using weapons is the lowest form in Filipino martial arts, you learn how to use weapons before you learn empty hand
Bruce lee use kali/arnis in his films like "Enter the dragon" display of kali' skill so lit🔥 check it out
that's because he cross trained with Dan Inosanto.. Dan taught Bruce Lee arnis and Bruce Lee taught Dan Jeet kun do, it was teacher-student relationship and vice versa
He trained by Guro Dan Inosanto
I like the words in your shirt..thanks for supporting our martial arts.ᜐᜎᜋᜆ᜔
Im a FILIPINO. IM PROUD OF YOU SHARING OUR ROOTS AS HUMAN.THANK YOU
Great video. Loved listening to your perspective.
I love this!! I am on the SAME path.
I've been practicing both FMA and Karate for a long time, and I've studied a few other arts as well. Over the past few year, I've developed a real passion for searching out the connections between these arts and pulling their practical applications into my training. Now I see connections everywhere.
But specifically, the similarities in movement and principles between the FMA and Okinawan Karate have become SO clear to me, and I truly love studying both arts and allowing the practice of each to influence my expression of the other.
Thanks for your thoughts!!
What I understand from FMA is for quick kill. Effective for real combat that is why it is embrace in Arm forces training not only in the Philippines but also around the world...
Excellent
Love it.❤
What a beautiful video! I am also a student of grandmaster Ernesto. I also see the connections. Many may not know that grandmaster was also into Judo. Connection between FMA and jujitsu is also so very strong! Grandmaster always used to say “it’s all the same”. A simple but profound statement. Keep up the great work, I am thankful I learned about your channel.
I started with karate. Ten years later I started Modern Arnis. It's a rich art, one that informs my karate. I agree with your comments about the way that karate is taught in a sort of fragmented way. I'm glad there are people out there uncovering the mysteries of karate and developing the practical aspects of karate. I'm new to your channel but like your inclusive approach. Keep it up!
Totally agree with the linking of the Karate, Kali, Kyusho Jitsu, and small circle jujitsu. The more I study and experience different arts the more I see relationships between body movements, body mechanics, and concepts. I have incorporated these arts in my training for 20 years or so. It has been an eye opener for me. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The depth of your sharing a here is proof of completely understanding the methods and outcomes of FMA Few have made or shared their understanding in a video. So much important in this video . Thank you.
I just started training in Pakamut, and i like it so far. I have belts in shotokan, TKD, American Kenpo, and Aikido. Im looking to broaden my knowledge and and more tools to my tool box.
I was trained kali-mu-tan before and I totally forgot it...
Nice joke
ᜊᜓᜊᜓ ᜃ ᜆᜅ᜔ ᜂᜈ
😂
Hahahahahahahaha
Thank you so much Ken san for the mention ... much appreciated. I encourage the both of you to continue on with the investigative & cross-comparative studies and present your discoveries, to not only document your journey of learning, but so that others may benefit, too, as we're all in this together and there is no single authority nor definitive source of knowledge. Might I also recommend exploring the following pathways; Muay-boran, Silat & Catch-Wrestling [if you haven't already done so] 🙇🏻♂️
Love stuff like this, I train traditional Shotokan Karate but love all martial arts. Good work mate.
same bro!! lineage from Sensei Nishiyama..
its amazing that you guys are starting to unwrapped a whole new idea and lineage of this two cultures together. keep this up! i think you are on the right direction
i'm not into martial arts and just happened to see this. but the way you described the Kali basic movements as something of adaptability, is very Filipino way of thinking.
Me too! common themes should appear across martial arts. Rick Faye founder of the Minnesota Kali Group says Kali shouldn't replace your art, it enhances it! I've been stuck in it ever since!
Unless, perhaps, kali IS your art! Thanks for the comment Lee, glad to see I have another brother in both Karate AND Kali!
@@kenfutv karate first and foremost! Kali came later, they compliment each other on many levels.
@@kenfutv
It goes both ways. 😁
I have my foundation and regular routine in 3 schools of FMA. But I like to moonlight in other systems from time to time.
Partially because its fun and fascinating, but also to lessen my internal echo chambering. I like how aspects of another system may complement the material that I am more familiar with.
The greastest benefit I feel like I have gained from FMA, is its very open ended Plug & Play approach.
Sort of like it being a jack-of-all-trades / master-of-none (except blades... it kind of excels at those).
No matter what I have tried, whether it be BJJ, Western Boxing, Shorinji Kempo, HEMA, Shoot Wrestling, Muay Thai, Goju Ryu Jujutsu, or Baji Quan Kung Fu... I felt that I could straight off the bat follow what was being done (and got several compliments for it). Largely thanks to how adaptive my FMA conditioning was.
I did struggle with Krav Maga though. 😆
Karate is still on my to-try list however.
It was quite a trip to watch the Karate Culture YT channel.
When I caught my first glimpse of those guys, my bias from South Pacific MA immediately sprang into action and made my think "are they... doing Silat?". Only to realize some 2 minutes in that "Oh, shit! This is Karate!". Because they like to look at commonalities and draw the parallells.
Pretty cool.
Thanks for a very interesting video. Keep up the good work.
I am also very grateful for having met and taken classes with Guro Faye, during my brief visit to Minneapolis.
That was definitely a memorable experience.
Exactly, "we learn together".
I think your shirt says 3:52 "ka la" not "ka li" ✌
Just subscribed. You are really good at explaining your thoughts and breaking down concepts
Welcome aboard! Looking forward to hearing more from you!
Imagine a Viking fighting alongside Samurais then, they saw their filipino companion.
All of them have a good faith
A sword and shield, a katana, and a dual-wielder
So many ways to solve the same problem.
Actually the Filipino is viking of Asia.,ancient Filipino travel to china to get metal to use as weapon.,ancient Chinese is afraid when they see a full body tattoo attacking there town.,
A Viking and a Visayan raider (Mangangayaw) would be able to build camaraderie since they're both pirates who love to loot other kingdoms for precious metals...
A Samurai? I think they would go well with the Timawa(Visayan) or Maharlika(Luzones) since both of them are warrior class bound to answer to their lords (Maginoo=Luzones, Tumao=Visayans)
His video led me here. Jesse seems to have a very inquisitive and open mind. In an art that has become so rigid, he is a rare sensei/sifu. He has the ravenous curious mind of a new student yet, the approach of scholar who understands the value of accepting your ignorance. That is the formula for gaining real knowledge. I hope to live long enough to see traditional martial arts remember their roots as diverse and adaptive combat arts, and disprove the modern assumption that they are useless in modern combat In a world dominated by mma
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 1 Corinthians 8:2
But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 1 Corinthians 8:3
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6
Thank You for sharing
Awesome episode! Maraming salamat!
I started in Isshinryu back in the late 60s before I entered the military in the early 70s.. It was through this that I was able to travel to the Philippines and train with my instructors in Combat Judo Karate which is a combination of the Japanese arts along with the FMA. Comjuka is a mixture of Matsumura shorinryu and Yamaguchi Goju ryu which my instructor was taught after ww2.. The FMA influences of the art comes from the Sinko Tiros and Balintawak eskrima as my instructor trained in after the war.. He taught several generations of American military personnel from the late 60s until his passing in 2006.. I have been involved with this instructor and was awarded my 5th dan blackbelt prior to his passing.. I have been teaching this since 1975 .. The FMA from this system intertwines with the linear and circular aspects of both shorinryu and goju ryu by teaching the concept of angles in both the attack and footwork.. this makes the system unique as it is one of the first martial arts that I have ran across during my travels in the states and the asian martial arts community to expand and combine the two combative cultures..
Thank you for appreciating & expanding our art!#FMA #Kali #Eskrima #Arnis
I've trained in Karate, TKD, Hapkido and Arnis/Kali. I strive every day to show these similarities to my students. This was an excellent video from start to finish. I especially like what you said about giving back to your students and not being afraid to share your knowledge and let them train themselves.
@@tatumergo3931 meant to kill not meant to spare
@@tatumergo3931 well i used mobile data and it only goes to 60mbs
@@tatumergo3931 ill remove the other one
I trained JKD for many years starting when I was in High School. As I'm sure you are aware, we trained in many styles especially Kali/FMA Muay Thai, boxing, Wing Chun, and other forms of Kung Fu, grappling etc. I spent 3 years in Okinawa while I was in the Navy and got to train with some Karate masters. They also loved seeing my techniques and training style as well. Great exchange of knowledge. I was always so busy with my military work I didn't have nearly as much time to train as I would have liked to, but I also loved training my military guys as well.
Great stuff! I'm on a similar path. My own system explores the connection between Pencak-Silat, Kung Fu and other martial arts that I have studied :)
@@tatumergo3931 Yes, this is all fascinating stuff! :)
@@tatumergo3931 It is indeed a very interesting subject!
Thank you very much sir. Maraming salamat po ser!🙏
Well said
Why this doesnt have more than a million views. Come on ! This is a very good video. Tsss. Kudos to this guy. Thank you brother. More of this !!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Very nice video and reaction. I like where you explained the differences bet. the 2 forms.
This is perfect I follow both of you and the way you explain it is perfect thank you so much for explaining and also those moves are almost the same you are totally right and the karate nerd too both of u are amazing thanks for teaching me this things
Awsome the ancient baybayin letters on your tshirt
As a practitioner of FMA I liked his observations I think the modern connections that we see are largely due to the integration of Karate into various FMA styles since my teachers in FMA made no secret about the fact that they crossed trained in martial arts from other cultures part of the brilliance of FMA is the ability to adapt to and make use of techniques and concepts from other arts. Love FMA, love Karate, great arts thank you.
Great video
Great video Ken!
I have been teaching FMA for over 30 years.
Fully agreed... Cross training adds perspective to your study.
As my teacher Remy said, “It is all the same!”
Translations is my favorite part... It’s about the base movement!
Great work!!!
great video i also found that there was a lot of aikido in kali and vice versa
Love your shirt. ᜃᜎᜒ kali!!!
This is great. Anyone who goes thru different styles and is awake can begin to see similarities. Leave the ego and style cult aside!
I agree w your support for Jesse !
Subscribed!
Your on point brother, we need to help each to improve not only martial arts but in life it self that's what martial art is promoting helping each other
Im glad to aee more and more martial art nerds, i feel i belong guys wether its you sir or even jesse i feel that i belong now, keep up yhe great work
Outstanding outlook and attitude
So Karate and Kali may share a link, which is very cool! Seems like they'd be great to crosstrain. Do you know of any other striking arts that would cross well? Kali has some pretty unique footwork. I also wonder if any grappling arts may cross well with it?
Kali is just brutally deadly and practically effective
Tangina mo pang ilang video na ng kali pinanood mo lahat nalang ng may kali may comment ka
Proud na proud di naman marunong mag kali
@@louiseybo246 kaya nga.
Haha..
Here’s a useful way to look at that juji uke. Instead of viewing it as a one block view it as 4. It is a reminder that you have the option to block an attacker inside or outside. Also if you are following a kata like chinto the next movement depends on the way you previously blocked.
My Grandfather "Lolo" taught me Kali when I was younger, I learned Shotokan n' Muay Thai here in the U S..
06:15
Sir,
Please demonstrate the 6 count Sinawali with two people.
Most of the demonstration only show the 3 count Sinawali.
Yay!!!!!
That short bit on teaching is very applicable even in regular school settings. I agree with it very much.
If there is a Filipino here, notice that he has alibata/baybayin in his shirt which is unfortunately written as kala, if there is a dot on the top of la it can be read as kali
May Filipino naman dito, pero wala akong paki hehehe.
Alibata is ARABIC WRITING SYSTEM means ALIF, BA, TA term used by an American Anthropologist... BAYBAYIN is the correct word refer to Tagalog Writing system.... On tht guy's shirt baybayin i read *KALA* it has no dot above so we read KALA instead of KALI
@@greyson042290 and so that's what I said
Nevermind, the important is trying to used the alibata.. That is an insult who trying to love Filipino Martial art.. Mahiya ka, at huwag mang insulto.
@@dailyviewstv5323 I am not insulting anybody I was just pinpointing it to make my fellow Filipinos aware
Excellent video! Jesse's video is amazing as well! I began my FMA journey by happy accident with joining a eclectic club(lots of diverse intstructor level 'students from various other martial arts, I was the newbie) when I was 12 (now a year from 50 lol). A vast majority of my personal research in FMA has been focused on the Spanish and Indonesian connection. Knowing the importance of the PI's history with regards to trade routes, I've appreciated these well thought out explorations of a Filipino/Japanese connection to their respective Martial Arts and it's implications/lessons towards a free sharing of information across boundaries to our collective benefit.
Hi Ken, Francis here. Nice video... I have been a practitioner for over 20+ years of Filipino Martial Arts. So I appreciate both you and Jesse Enkamps insights. But if you are basing this on Modern Arnis, well from what I understand Professor Remy Presas motivation to creating the Modern Arnis curriculum is his attempt to copy the Japanese system. The incorporation of belts and ranking system. Maybe it went deeper than that? And I do believe that he also had a Karate Influence as well.
In Kali or other FMA you learn sticks first then hand, kicks aNd grappling
fyi: alot of FMA/arnis/escrima/kali filipino masters/grandmasters are also black belts of shotokan karate(and other martial arts). its not surprising to see some similarities also with others since we filipinos like to copy what we see is good and effective then modify/integrate it in our own. also, it is the duty of everyone who is practicing the art to "evolve" the art once you got that sufficient level of expertise. since the battlefield is also evolving in which the FMA is primarily used.
agree
We have our own form of karate like taekwondo called Sikaran the difference is sikaran is a kicking base martial arts with the hands only used to parry
Wrong...they are the ones who copy Kali. Ancient travellers and traders have seen the system... Even craftmanship in goldsmithry, the ancient Filipinos are already ahead from other civilizations in the world.
those words i have said came from the lips of some masters themselves. well i cant also disagree with your argument since alot also of our fma heritage is lost due to time and efforts of our past conquerors. theres a possibility that we might be the "original's" of those techniques long ago. 🤔
@@jeffreysalayon9796 my grandfather learned "kali" from his father and to his great grandfather. My pops taught me kali in the old way and i can see similarities of blade movements and defending
Awesome video Ken. I like the largo version of hubud in Jesse's video. Haven't trained karate but I have trained in kali for a few years. A+ as usual sir.
Nice 👕 brotha! Baybayin FMA❤️
IMO, Arnis, Eskrima, and Kali are cousins. The evolution works due to geographical areas where tribal wars were more common than any other places. As people moved to adopt the progress thru the years, so as Filipino Martial Arts. Thanks for the video.
Awesome video sir. It’s refreshing to see others on the same path, especially when it often times feels like a lonely one. I personally train Okinawa Kenpo/Kobudo as well as Jiu Jitsu. The similarities are so intertwined that I no longer view them as different arts per se as much as just a change in what is focused upon. Looking forward to seeing your content (past and future)!
Is there a Kali class in Washington state? I would love to learn but I can't seem to find one
My cross training of tkd, kung-fu and bjj has really helped me overall.
The kf allowed me to relax and this supports my bjj.
TKD helped my kf because it allowed me to sharpen my kicking techniques
Bjj helped my stand up by showing that they can be ruined if I can't defend takedowns
Keep up the good work 🥋
Weapons:
Swords
Staff
Nanchaku
Hand to hand combat
The metal chain
@MATTHEW575M pabibo
@MATTHEW575M maybe he mean that Kali is fitted with almost if not all weapons.
I loved dual stick fighting. I got to train on occasion with kali experts for the hell of it. Maybe I ought to get back into it when all this COVID business finally starts to get under control.
haha im looking for some clips haha
but i see your face till the end
ahha
btw keep it up man
Excellent video, thanks for sharing. I enjoy it when martial artists from different backgrounds see each other's skill sets for what they are, and learn form it. I have been fortunate, to over the past 40 years to have trained in karate, Ryu-Kyu Kobujutsu, Eskrima (Filipino kali/Arnis and more recently Japanese Koryu (Tenshin Shōden Katori Shinto Ryu). It's only now that I am able to fully appreciate these discussions without politics and ego getting in the way.
To master Kali you must master to use all your joints which leads to combos.
I love your shirt!!
I've trained with Johan, he's a pretty chill dude.
The FMA is also an excellent exposure what the Filipino culture is. FMA looks for connection in all the methods we teach. Our culture seeks connection and not separation.
Brother this is interesting. We call them beat drills in my kenpo system. Which from there you can see chi Sao and others. Martial arts fascinate me. I think in a lot of ways they connect us more than we want to think.
Respect on the proper pronunciation of our words. Thank you. New subscriber from the Philippines.
I have somewhat of a similar background of Karate and Kali. You are right this is good stuff.
Your channel is great! I’m a Karate nerd, too 🥋! Btw, I didn’t know that there is a Philippino Karate!
ohh!! nice I like your T-shirt, the combination of chinese character and baybayin
It's not Chinese...it's Japanese; it's Karate and Jiujitsu, both Japanese martial arts. 😂 Japanese use Kanji while Chinese use Hanzi.
@@miguelapale2064
Kanji is the Japanese translation for the word Hanzi.
@@miguelapale2064 Still, Kanji means Chinese Character in Japanese
What I mean, is, Japanese and Chinese aren't exactly the same, in the regard that Japanese people can't fully read Chinese and 100% understand everything and vice versa. You guys are taking me too literally.
I really like you t-shirt, baybayin word Kali in the middle
i like your shirt
Thank you, sir!
Thank u this vlog
Where can I buy the shirt?
I love your shirt sir, there's a Baybayin character between the shirt,
Doesnt it hurt punching if you puch with the middle finger poking like that, sorry I'm not karate practitioner I'm just curious
Wow never noticed the baybayin in his shirt.
I gotta start learning baybayin again
my brother is our trainer in our Training for SF Kali in the Army