In principle, I agree, people should judge Tesla by the cars they make - and they do make great cars (I’ve owned 2 of them). However, I can’t ignore the fact that Musk is deeply involved in the company, just as I wouldn’t ignore a company that causes extreme pollution despite making a good product. Musk has been telling me every few months since 2017 that my car would be fully self-driving in 6 months. It still doesn’t. I can forgive that, because the car is still excellent in what it does (and SpaceX is a marvel too). However his political views have become ever more extreme and vocal and now he’s tied in with the orange idiot who threatens not only US safety, but World stability. I can’t ignore that and won’t ignore it when I look for my next car.
Thanks for saying that man, it needs to be said. Musk is a disgraceful individual and a liar, as you found out. Look to Renault, they're on the move I reckon.
Dave, sorry to be this blunt, but you invited me to listen to a sound argument, and instead you forced me to listen to your ramblings about about Tesla. The sources that you use are available to everyone, so whatever you are sharing is hardly wisdom. Keep your ramblings to a minimum if you want to be taken seriously. It undermines all your hard work honestly
Crash or boom, if you bought a car then you only lose if you want to sell it, if, like me you intend to run it into the ground then future prices are totally irrelevant.
Tesla as a company might do wonders but I'll never support anyone like Musk because of the people he gets into bed with. If you don't have the moral compass to see that then you are just like every other salesman I have know. Zero moral compass... Unsubscribed.
Many years ago a Bae employee from Warton went to work for Tesla before Elon Musk arrived. He advised me to buy shares as Musk was going to financially fix the company. I did it as an act of charity as an eco warrior having worked on milk floats. I bought 6,600 shares over 3 years. I never look at the value but I'm informed they're worth over $1 million dollars. It is my intention to sell the shares and give the money to a UK charity if Trump is elected.
While I remain sceptical about your story as anyone, regardless who manages the portfolio, would have at least annual documentation about the value, various fees and taxes on the portfolio, as well as having to make decisions. But my question is that why have you not sold your fictional or real shares when Trump was already President of the United States for a term? It’s not about Tr7mp, but Musk in your mind, so I don’t understand the connection, unless it’s simply trolling and putting on the MAGA hat on some nonsense.
I fully agree with the concept of constant learning. I am 77 and still keeping up with technology and software. I must admit to being addictive to learning.
I won't buy clothes manufactured in sweatshops. The idea of an unscrupulous owner making a penny from me is abhorrent. When you consider Elon's right-wing alliance, likely driven by his need to protect lucrative government contracts without scrutiny that his businesses have, i don't feel much inclination to consider purchasing a Tesla. Dave, I watch your videos and enjoy them, but Elon/Tesla is a strange hill to die on. We all need to be responsible consumers, and that extends beyond the $$$.
@@davetakesitonI think he has a touch of megalomania. Disappointing because I thought he was a strong campaigner for the environment before he hooked up with the narcissistic oaf.
What has Elon accomplished? Is he an engineer and were does he gets his support? from.He bleives in non Union Labour sacks people when he feels like it.
Except very very niche. Not a lot of intersection better red hat and affording a Tesla. All Tesla drivers in my family are a bit embarrassed nowadays. And they're less inclined to excuse the silly no-buttons strategy and the annoying internal camera
:) Thanks Dave, that was clear. And i think your totally right. I am not a Tesla owner, and i liked most of our cars (over 40) we owned. Specially the VW 181 Trekker, and the BJ42 Landcruizer were our favorites. I think, Tesla cars are high up there with the best EV's with the best tech of all EV's.I think, Tesla cars are high up there with the best EV's with the best tech of all EV's. Said that, I too think that Musk is a despicable example of a human.
Don't disagree that without tesla we'd not have the range of EVs available to buy that we do today. But my tesla was the worst car I've ever bought and the service from tesla was appalling. I would not buy another one even if it was the only ev on the market.
That's a real shame. Obviously I don't know the details but I have had two Teslas's now and both have been superb. I've also had good service whenever I've had to deal with Tesla (to be honest, not that often in 150,000 miles)
@@ronnielloyd4676 43 lumps of sand under the paint (tesla blamed me), not enough coolant in the battery cooling system whuch they failed to rectify and then eventually the colling system had to be replaced, door wouldn't shut properly, window wouldn't shut properly. The list went on and on. To be honest I should have rejected it and demanded another car on day 1 but you don't like to admit you've bought a heap of cr@p do you? In the end I gave up trying to get Tesla to fix it, sold it and took the financial loss.
Full selfdrive will usher in the future of subscription over ownership. Imy kid have grown now. But when my girls was teens i was basically a taxi to concerts, pick them up at nightd etc...if i had acess to a family subscription to a robo taxi, for the average orice of a car, say £400pm, that would allow 5 of us to scedual summon a car when needed, i think the majority would take it up. Inaging. Single subscription for £200, that's cheaper thsn runnign any car. And what about a car share plan for sat £100pm, it just means you may have to share sometimes on route. Also to keep the cars earning i csn see them having digital lock boxes in thr boots and doing fast food and uber style food/shop deliverise. I think if a tier system like that came in, it would be a winner. I always thought that ubers mental market price was all down to its potential of a driverless business. And i think we are on the verge of it. Either Tesla or google will buy it out eventually. Ive rhought this for years. And it pains me to say ad i love driving, but id also would love my own car to drive me home form the pub.
You're getting the picture. But you're wrong, subscription cars are already here, ones you still need to drive yourself, I'm making a video about them soon
@davetakesiton there is a couple of subscribers cars, my some almost took one out last week with Gigi(iirc) as he is immigrating to aus late next year. There was another good subscription service (I can't recall that name ATM it's gone midnight) but it's just gone into liquidation. So I'm not sure we are quite there yet. My take on the auto drive sub is a little different. It's basically a 24/7 taxi service subscription, where the cars can go to work 24/7 servicing many people and tasks. Cars moving round cities and areas, cL ulated via algorithms, knowing where demand is going to be. A bit like the way Sainsbury's ordering system works (that is an interesting thing). My take is the subscription if priced the same a family car, and does the work as one, but I don't have to drive the thing, ie take kids to mates, take wife shopping, pick kids teens up at night, pick me up from pub, and sill be there at 7sm to take me work, and 6pm to drive me home, all while being on call like a taxi, I'd pay that 4 or 500 a month. Now if your a single person sub, It would need to be priced a bit more keenly, but the car would be doing a forth (or fifth) of the work, so 200-250, to have a scheduled car and a car in 20min call 24/7 is too interesting. And I think the ride share oton for 100-150, would be interesting too, all the benefits of having the freedom of a car, and non of the financial headaches. I've been thinking of this ever since Google showed off there pod car thing about 10 years ago. All Uber drivers and divert drivers will be gone overnight. Non of them are employees, and I bet Uber is collecting every bit of data on the routes and demands for the last decade. The human employees (self-employed) is sacrificial and being used ATM as a data gathering tool. They are mapping out their own demise, for free. Onto was a good subscription service, too goood that's tough it's busymt and not taking on new customers. BiPi is a little more expensive, most of their cars it's up to you to insure ontop, except their Suzuki cars. My son tried to jump on the swift, as it was £380per month (or close to) for a 12 month sub. However the swift was the only Suzuki car that didn't come with insurance. So the cheapest offering is about 600 Inc insurance or 450 with out. Then it's not really that good of a deal. He is getting a Kia i10 this looks brand new, 2017 plate for 2k I suppose it will be up to dad to sell it when he goes away next year. I can see my daughter stealing it already, as it's a really tidy motor. Not electric, but he didn't want to spend much, and this fit the bill. Onto was really interesting, if you wanted to long term test test cars 3 months at a time, a car RUclipsrs, dream, I know one that done this exact things, sadly if it seems to good to be true, it will be to good to be true. I do believe in the model though, just a driverless, taxi service subscription model. Oh I wish Tesla was making that robo taxi into say a model 2. That is the nicest exterior desine they have done. I love a little coupe car, and there isn't one in the EV market yet. Would you mind if I emailed you next week, I have something in the works that may interest regarding EVs and media? *The company he was going to use was called BiPi and the one that is in trouble is called Onto.
I'm not sure about the technology being way ahead. Other companies have better self driving and other manufactures have faster charging. BMW get over the air software updates now. What Tesla has is their charging nerwork,which sets them apart. I went BMW as I didn't want to give Elon my money and I'm happy as the build qualty and software are great.
@@jimf4748 Agreed, we are told that Tesla technology is super-duper, but is it really? If it were that far ahead of other manufacturers, it wouldn't take much for them to buy one and reverse engineer it to copy that technology. More what I hear about is poor build quality and the need for frequent software updates, which are often to the detriment of current users. I also prefer actually buttons and knobs for stuff like the radio, lights, wipers, windows etc., and not everything displayed and controlled from one screen, or voice controlled. The screen isn't there because it's better, it because it's cheaper.
@jimf4748 I did the same bmw all the way for me tesla just look boring but that's just my personal view and all I seem to see are white ones everywhere
Many people made thousands of GBP on their id.3 cars when they sold them in 2022. Yes it was a glitch in the market, but never-the-less some people made money.
@davetakesiton You forgot about the new tax on expensive vehicles over 40k , now applies to ev's after april 25 , brilliant channel thanks for the effort
Ah, you forgot it was just mentioned in this budget as being reviewed in the spring 2025 budget. It is likely to have the threshold raised rather dramatically for EVs, and left alone for ICE. Expensive should mean expensive.
@@davetakesiton definitely being introduced in April 25 along with roadfund licence for EVs all be it zero . "A future fiscal event " it will be reviewed wrong with now should be at least 52k to keep pace with inflation .
My world view is vastly different to that of Musk, along with that of the CEO's of most of the motor companies I would imagine. I've got a Porsche Boxster and the founder of the company was Hitler's mate. Still love the cars though. Not sure the reduction in production costs will result in the dramatic price reductions you anticipate, no need to reduce the RRP of the cars when you can sell all you make at the current prices.More likely just even greater margins for the company. The Board have to fund Musk massive $billion pay packet somehow.
Yes price cuts will happen, He's creaming off profits from the rich at the moment but he will run out of rich people soon, then watch out for the deluge of budget models at rock bottom prices.
What kind of stupid dealer would have premade new cars in the lot? I've never seen that here in Norway tbh. At least not until recently with some of the Chinese brands like MG. The traditional dealers don't have brand new cars available. Only exception would be the showroom car and/or demo cars for customers to test. They may have used cars for sale, but not brand one ones. If I want to buy a new car I go to the dealer and order it by selection the options I want. Then I have to wait X months for the car to be produced and shipped to the dealer.
I am also able to split what a person says and what they can do. Elon says some stupid stuff, but he has achieved results.That means far more to and if the item is good quality and does what you want, you like it. Elon has a team that makes products I want and was the leader in many of these products. I bought a Powerwall and found the quality hardware, features and usability at the level of Apple. So after owning a Kia E niro, I moved to a Tesla Model 3 RWD. Price reductions had made this cheaper than most of the competition that were maybe lesser. So yes I am a Tesla Fanboy as well. Elon has pushed technology and will constantly do this. I am sure that madness is part of being brilliant. Some people are just mad!
One of your best videos Dave.. I can see why Tesla remove all the switches and buttons as it cuts costs.. I just wished they could offer their cars with buttons etc, like legacy auto for set in their ways people like me and i would be happy to pay the extra
I dont think Elon Musk is an idiot - he's an extremely clever visionary and we need people with his foresight in the world. But I dont like him. He's careless with his political views, interferes with societal beliefs, presides over misinformation in social media and as such I consider his personal brand toxic. We needed Tesla to kick the rest of the motor industry up the arse - its done that - but even though a Tesla Model 3 is in lots of ways a more compelling car than many of its competitors, i chose a competitor because I couldn't stand the thought of being associated with him. I believe he is bad for the Tesla brand.
Wonderful. You tell them, Dave. I am an Aberdeen-trained former Marine Radio Officer who retrained as an Electro Technical Officer. An all-electric future is good for me and very good for a Green Enerergy-rich nation called Scotland. Elon makes things happen and uses his wealth to pay for that, employing thousands on the way and inspiring even more. I am also a modest Tesla investor. I am not a fan of Trump or the UK and USA right-wing. That is not what Tesla or Space X are. Bringing to market at affordable prices, having produced over 10 million EVs, is all the proof I need. The abuse and miss information aimed at EVs by ICE dealers and mechanics, and Petrol heads is reaching record levels. How stupid they all look now as Tesla's direct-to-the-public sales gain market shares.
@@paullynass4848 you're totally right. Even the likes of Stellantis (for all their woes) have delivered the likes of the Citroen EC3 well ahead of the proposed Model 2..... the Chinese are all over the value end of the market as well....
@cbromley562 My replacement was a BWW i3S. Suited the use case better than the Tesla we had. Better to drive. Mileage almost the same, which surprised me. Battery management is much better. Fit and finish superior. Windscreen wipers and indicators work as expected. 3 years of Tesla and these things were a joke. When Tesla has the charging network for Teslas then that was what made me go Tesla before I knew enough of Musk. But more recent trips have seen Tesla chargers full while we charged and left Teslas still queuing.
@ Well, as has always been the case, people choose different cars…but to base it on one person (Musk), is a tad weak minded imo. As always with Teslas, they receive constant updates..they recently turned their attention to the wipers, which are now very sophisticated. Further tweaks and enhancements will come.
I won’t touch Tesla as I don’t want to line the pockets of a right-wing egomaniac. I know most companies have questionable CEOs, but lines have to be drawn. There are other EVs to buy.
That is your right, Dan, but I would be really keen to know, being entirely honest, is there any other product in this entire world that you refuse to buy exclusively because of the actions, attitude or beliefs of the CEO? I believe I am pretty safe in saying no. So that begs the question are you happy and content buying an iPhone when the CEO employs slave labour in China at appallingly low wages and conditions are so incredibly dire that the employees regularly throw themselves off the roof of the factory? Or any other Smartphone CEO that encourages or allows the use of child slaves in DRC to dig out by hand the cobalt they need for their batteries?
@You’re right that there are very few companies that are golden examples and without any flaws, so I just do my best to avoid the ones that most annoy me. Or I can easily avoid as there are good alternatives. I just can’t see and hear what Musk’s politics are all about and buy expensive cars from him now.
To me it seems obvious that you are an electric car fanboy Dave. Elon Musk, through Tesla, pioneered the modern electric car and the modern electric car environment. It is hard to be excited about electric cars without talking about Tesla and Elon Musk. That does not mean that you have to fanboy for Elon or Tesla. You're doing fine Dave, don't allow other people to talk you into doubting yourself.
I wanted a Tesla but had to make do with a MG5 but I’m a big fan of Elan so if he sends me a new Tesla for Christmas I promise not to send it back Lol😂
People not buying a Tesla because of Elon. Gawd, folks, they are the best EV package right now and the future but you are butthurt about his political stance, which is mainly common sense anyway When I'm driving my M3 Highland, the last thing I'm thinking about is Elon's X posts and what people think of me - who cares what they think. They probably want one, but decided to cut their nose to spite their face.
Aside from the fact that I find it deeply weird to be a fan-boy of a company, if you allow sales alone to determine something's value then you have to also conclude that Taylor Swift is the pinnacle of music making possibilities (spoiler: there's better stuff out there). Tesla are raking in cash from selling expensive EVs to fans and people with lots of money. It sounds from your analysis like they could help to fill the void in the market for more affordable EVs, but they choose not to do this. Why is that?
The video was not only about sales but production efficiency profit technology and a myriad of other things. AS for why no cheaper version stop thinking like a customer and start thinking like a business, which as an investor I do. I want Tesla to sell loads of really expensive EVs at really high profit margins so they have the cash in the bank to build more factories selling loads of really expensive EVs making even more profit. As a business they should only stop making those when they run out of customers. They are now near to that time so we might see the model 2 and other budget models sometime next year. If customer demand set the business model Tesla would already be bankrupt out of business. Have patience they are driving prices down and will get there but when they do it will be in mass production on an unprecedented scale and highly profitable
@davetakesiton but you regularly complain about legacy car manufacturers charging too much for their EVs and not offering budget models that people want to buy. Tesla are much worse in this sense in that they probably could fill this need and at least break even on those models but don't want to. At least the other manufacturers try. I don't care how much profit Tesla makes, so if it's leading the way in production efficiencies and from reducing costs by removing bits of cars and telling people to get used to it, then I want that to result in lower prices not higher profits.
@davetakesiton are you happy to turn a blind eye to his treatment of workers, his cozying up to right-wing politicians, opaque government contracts, political interference?
Let's not forget that when they calculated that Tesla makes cars 3x faster than VW..... That was years ago. Tesla no longer takes 10hrs to make their cars. They are now far faster. So Tesla's efficiency is far far better than 3x VAG
That’s not the measurement of efficiency, I don’t even understand why this channel would have brought it up earlier this week. VW and Tesla use different strategies in relation to their suppliers, common/shared parts, where the battery/engine is made and assembled and where the vehicles are sold. Car manufacturing is largely a bookkeeping, management and strategic activity. Whatever figures are used in relation to a vehicle being produced, they are meaningless as larger factories have different overheads, slowing markets benefit slower production and the wages are different. It’s almost like choosing a dentist based on who can do the washing up better at home.
Hey that's my ex flying mate. He's come on a bit, rather left me behind. Variety but mainly 15 years in cars ending up sales manager of Citroen dealership, then nearly 20 years in renewable energy. Few other things in between. Eclectic
Haha Fanboy Dave ,not long subscribed and wrapped out of an EV as I stay in a flat but went plug in with a Tucson and now I realise I could have made it work, never mind I do love the Hyundai and with the way I use it I'm averaging 100 mpg and topping battery 45p kwh
Happy with Tesla, but, I never voted for Musk and I find his megaphone opinions a problem. Do not mistake freedom of speech, for abuse of freedom of reach.
the funny thing is that how many of the other products we buy, are we aware of the CEO's attitudes, beliefs and actions ???? NONE !! and I'm not an Elon fanboy either, and certainly don't agree with a lot of things he says or does.. has anyone considered the loads of promises from the Japanese car market .??? why isn't anyone screaming and calling them liars ?? .. so .. Exactly like you say, Tesla employs many people and produces fantastic products.. that will help the world.. not destroy it .. :)
In principle, I agree, people should judge Tesla by the cars they make - and they do make great cars (I’ve owned 2 of them). However, I can’t ignore the fact that Musk is deeply involved in the company, just as I wouldn’t ignore a company that causes extreme pollution despite making a good product. Musk has been telling me every few months since 2017 that my car would be fully self-driving in 6 months. It still doesn’t. I can forgive that, because the car is still excellent in what it does (and SpaceX is a marvel too). However his political views have become ever more extreme and vocal and now he’s tied in with the orange idiot who threatens not only US safety, but World stability. I can’t ignore that and won’t ignore it when I look for my next car.
Thanks for saying that man, it needs to be said. Musk is a disgraceful individual and a liar, as you found out. Look to Renault, they're on the move I reckon.
Dave, sorry to be this blunt, but you invited me to listen to a sound argument, and instead you forced me to listen to your ramblings about about Tesla.
The sources that you use are available to everyone, so whatever you are sharing is hardly wisdom.
Keep your ramblings to a minimum if you want to be taken seriously. It undermines all your hard work honestly
Crash or boom, if you bought a car then you only lose if you want to sell it, if, like me you intend to run it into the ground then future prices are totally irrelevant.
Very True Steven. You only ever find out what it's worth when you try to sell. Mine's got a few years in it yet
Tesla as a company might do wonders but I'll never support anyone like Musk because of the people he gets into bed with. If you don't have the moral compass to see that then you are just like every other salesman I have know.
Zero moral compass...
Unsubscribed.
Many years ago a Bae employee from Warton went to work for Tesla before Elon Musk arrived. He advised me to buy shares as Musk was going to financially fix the company. I did it as an act of charity as an eco warrior having worked on milk floats. I bought 6,600 shares over 3 years. I never look at the value but I'm informed they're worth over $1 million dollars. It is my intention to sell the shares and give the money to a UK charity if Trump is elected.
Good for you mate. I do have an EV but don’t like the shape of the Mod 3. I do like winners and Musk if a bit strange is a winner.
I bet Trump and musk will be well upset 😂
While I remain sceptical about your story as anyone, regardless who manages the portfolio, would have at least annual documentation about the value, various fees and taxes on the portfolio, as well as having to make decisions.
But my question is that why have you not sold your fictional or real shares when Trump was already President of the United States for a term? It’s not about Tr7mp, but Musk in your mind, so I don’t understand the connection, unless it’s simply trolling and putting on the MAGA hat on some nonsense.
@@ComeJesusChrist your moniker says it all.
@@iansinclair7581 Your comment says it all. Repent, seek God and follow Christ, while you can!
15:43 full self driving if it ever works ( if its ever allowed ) dont hold your breath
Technically possible. Just like flying cars. It doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon
I'm not a Hitler fanboy; i just admire the V2 rocket technology
The Americana certainly did, they snatched the designer Werner Von Braun and he was the architect of the Apollo moon landing two decades later!
@davetakesiton this is true. Not remotely related to my point but ok!
I fully agree with the concept of constant learning. I am 77 and still keeping up with technology and software. I must admit to being addictive to learning.
there are worse addictions I am told, John
I won't buy clothes manufactured in sweatshops. The idea of an unscrupulous owner making a penny from me is abhorrent. When you consider Elon's right-wing alliance, likely driven by his need to protect lucrative government contracts without scrutiny that his businesses have, i don't feel much inclination to consider purchasing a Tesla. Dave, I watch your videos and enjoy them, but Elon/Tesla is a strange hill to die on. We all need to be responsible consumers, and that extends beyond the $$$.
I haven’t followed your channel until just now Dave. You shouldn’t have to apologize for admiring Elon for all he has accomplished.
Thanks Daniel I don’t apologise for him just point out I’m not a fanboy of his, maybe one day?
@@davetakesitonI think he has a touch of megalomania. Disappointing because I thought he was a strong campaigner for the environment before he hooked up with the narcissistic oaf.
@@geraldbutler5484I think Musks difference is not megalomania but he is somewhere on the autistic spectrum.
What has Elon accomplished? Is he an engineer and were does he gets his support? from.He bleives in non Union Labour sacks people when he feels like it.
@@foppo100He's not an engineer
Tesla cars: the new MAGA hat
Except very very niche. Not a lot of intersection better red hat and affording a Tesla.
All Tesla drivers in my family are a bit embarrassed nowadays. And they're less inclined to excuse the silly no-buttons strategy and the annoying internal camera
:) Thanks Dave, that was clear. And i think your totally right.
I am not a Tesla owner, and i liked most of our cars (over 40) we owned.
Specially the VW 181 Trekker, and the BJ42 Landcruizer were our favorites.
I think, Tesla cars are high up there with the best EV's with the best tech of all EV's.I think, Tesla cars are high up there with the best EV's with the best tech of all EV's.
Said that, I too think that Musk is a despicable example of a human.
Don't disagree that without tesla we'd not have the range of EVs available to buy that we do today. But my tesla was the worst car I've ever bought and the service from tesla was appalling. I would not buy another one even if it was the only ev on the market.
That's a real shame. Obviously I don't know the details but I have had two Teslas's now and both have been superb. I've also had good service whenever I've had to deal with Tesla (to be honest, not that often in 150,000 miles)
@@ronnielloyd4676 43 lumps of sand under the paint (tesla blamed me), not enough coolant in the battery cooling system whuch they failed to rectify and then eventually the colling system had to be replaced, door wouldn't shut properly, window wouldn't shut properly. The list went on and on. To be honest I should have rejected it and demanded another car on day 1 but you don't like to admit you've bought a heap of cr@p do you? In the end I gave up trying to get Tesla to fix it, sold it and took the financial loss.
Full selfdrive will usher in the future of subscription over ownership.
Imy kid have grown now. But when my girls was teens i was basically a taxi to concerts, pick them up at nightd etc...if i had acess to a family subscription to a robo taxi, for the average orice of a car, say £400pm, that would allow 5 of us to scedual summon a car when needed, i think the majority would take it up.
Inaging. Single subscription for £200, that's cheaper thsn runnign any car. And what about a car share plan for sat £100pm, it just means you may have to share sometimes on route.
Also to keep the cars earning i csn see them having digital lock boxes in thr boots and doing fast food and uber style food/shop deliverise.
I think if a tier system like that came in, it would be a winner. I always thought that ubers mental market price was all down to its potential of a driverless business. And i think we are on the verge of it. Either Tesla or google will buy it out eventually. Ive rhought this for years.
And it pains me to say ad i love driving, but id also would love my own car to drive me home form the pub.
You're getting the picture. But you're wrong, subscription cars are already here, ones you still need to drive yourself, I'm making a video about them soon
@davetakesiton there is a couple of subscribers cars, my some almost took one out last week with Gigi(iirc) as he is immigrating to aus late next year. There was another good subscription service (I can't recall that name ATM it's gone midnight) but it's just gone into liquidation. So I'm not sure we are quite there yet.
My take on the auto drive sub is a little different. It's basically a 24/7 taxi service subscription, where the cars can go to work 24/7 servicing many people and tasks. Cars moving round cities and areas, cL ulated via algorithms, knowing where demand is going to be. A bit like the way Sainsbury's ordering system works (that is an interesting thing).
My take is the subscription if priced the same a family car, and does the work as one, but I don't have to drive the thing, ie take kids to mates, take wife shopping, pick kids teens up at night, pick me up from pub, and sill be there at 7sm to take me work, and 6pm to drive me home, all while being on call like a taxi, I'd pay that 4 or 500 a month.
Now if your a single person sub, It would need to be priced a bit more keenly, but the car would be doing a forth (or fifth) of the work, so 200-250, to have a scheduled car and a car in 20min call 24/7 is too interesting.
And I think the ride share oton for 100-150, would be interesting too, all the benefits of having the freedom of a car, and non of the financial headaches.
I've been thinking of this ever since Google showed off there pod car thing about 10 years ago. All Uber drivers and divert drivers will be gone overnight. Non of them are employees, and I bet Uber is collecting every bit of data on the routes and demands for the last decade. The human employees (self-employed) is sacrificial and being used ATM as a data gathering tool. They are mapping out their own demise, for free.
Onto was a good subscription service, too goood that's tough it's busymt and not taking on new customers. BiPi is a little more expensive, most of their cars it's up to you to insure ontop, except their Suzuki cars. My son tried to jump on the swift, as it was £380per month (or close to) for a 12 month sub. However the swift was the only Suzuki car that didn't come with insurance. So the cheapest offering is about 600 Inc insurance or 450 with out. Then it's not really that good of a deal.
He is getting a Kia i10 this looks brand new, 2017 plate for 2k I suppose it will be up to dad to sell it when he goes away next year. I can see my daughter stealing it already, as it's a really tidy motor. Not electric, but he didn't want to spend much, and this fit the bill.
Onto was really interesting, if you wanted to long term test test cars 3 months at a time, a car RUclipsrs, dream, I know one that done this exact things, sadly if it seems to good to be true, it will be to good to be true.
I do believe in the model though, just a driverless, taxi service subscription model.
Oh I wish Tesla was making that robo taxi into say a model 2. That is the nicest exterior desine they have done. I love a little coupe car, and there isn't one in the EV market yet.
Would you mind if I emailed you next week, I have something in the works that may interest regarding EVs and media?
*The company he was going to use was called BiPi and the one that is in trouble is called Onto.
I had to bit my lip before I got a Tesla but the technology is way ahead of any other EV car manufacture, don't mix up the art with the artist
Unless you have a Cybertruck or a Robotaxi he's really just the capital investor, not the artist.
I'm not sure about the technology being way ahead. Other companies have better self driving and other manufactures have faster charging. BMW get over the air software updates now. What Tesla has is their charging nerwork,which sets them apart. I went BMW as I didn't want to give Elon my money and I'm happy as the build qualty and software are great.
@@jimf4748 Agreed, we are told that Tesla technology is super-duper, but is it really? If it were that far ahead of other manufacturers, it wouldn't take much for them to buy one and reverse engineer it to copy that technology.
More what I hear about is poor build quality and the need for frequent software updates, which are often to the detriment of current users.
I also prefer actually buttons and knobs for stuff like the radio, lights, wipers, windows etc., and not everything displayed and controlled from one screen, or voice controlled. The screen isn't there because it's better, it because it's cheaper.
@jimf4748 I did the same bmw all the way for me tesla just look boring but that's just my personal view and all I seem to see are white ones everywhere
late to the party but at least you turned up
Ha ha that robot returning to charge up looks like a Borg from Star Trek
Many people made thousands of GBP on their id.3 cars when they sold them in 2022. Yes it was a glitch in the market, but never-the-less some people made money.
@davetakesiton
You forgot about the new tax on expensive vehicles over 40k , now applies to ev's after april 25 , brilliant channel thanks for the effort
Ah, you forgot it was just mentioned in this budget as being reviewed in the spring 2025 budget. It is likely to have the threshold raised rather dramatically for EVs, and left alone for ICE. Expensive should mean expensive.
@@davetakesiton definitely being introduced in April 25 along with roadfund licence for EVs all be it zero . "A future fiscal event " it will be reviewed wrong with now should be at least 52k to keep pace with inflation .
My world view is vastly different to that of Musk, along with that of the CEO's of most of the motor companies I would imagine. I've got a Porsche Boxster and the founder of the company was Hitler's mate. Still love the cars though.
Not sure the reduction in production costs will result in the dramatic price reductions you anticipate, no need to reduce the RRP of the cars when you can sell all you make at the current prices.More likely just even greater margins for the company. The Board have to fund Musk massive $billion pay packet somehow.
“pay packet” was expensed in 2018. Still sitting there… undelivered.
Yes price cuts will happen, He's creaming off profits from the rich at the moment but he will run out of rich people soon, then watch out for the deluge of budget models at rock bottom prices.
Dave you need to stick a poppy on and every body is a bit more inclined to mind their Ps and Qs.Commonality and all that .Good work .
If my local shop owner was a horrible person I wouldn't buy from his shop - even if it sold my favourite beer - what's the difference?
Unfortunately since Elon has got into bed with one of the worst dictators in history, his appeal is shrinking massively.
Cars, rockets, AI, tunnels - I think he's a genius.
Politics - he doesn't have the sense he was born with.
Are you talking about Putin or trump?
Why do you think Trump is one of the worst dictators in history?
Dave is telling you that “his” appeal is irrelevant for clear-thinking humans..😂
@@philipjones3599 Yes.
Lonnie is like a Lagrangian point: at the focus of global attention. whether there is anything there or not.
What kind of stupid dealer would have premade new cars in the lot?
I've never seen that here in Norway tbh. At least not until recently with some of the Chinese brands like MG. The traditional dealers don't have brand new cars available. Only exception would be the showroom car and/or demo cars for customers to test.
They may have used cars for sale, but not brand one ones.
If I want to buy a new car I go to the dealer and order it by selection the options I want. Then I have to wait X months for the car to be produced and shipped to the dealer.
On the subject of making money cars. I did when I sold my MR2.😂
I am also able to split what a person says and what they can do. Elon says some stupid stuff, but he has achieved results.That means far more to and if the item is good quality and does what you want, you like it. Elon has a team that makes products I want and was the leader in many of these products. I bought a Powerwall and found the quality hardware, features and usability at the level of Apple.
So after owning a Kia E niro, I moved to a Tesla Model 3 RWD. Price reductions had made this cheaper than most of the competition that were maybe lesser.
So yes I am a Tesla Fanboy as well. Elon has pushed technology and will constantly do this. I am sure that madness is part of being brilliant. Some people are just mad!
Sorry all the waffle at the start made me turn of
One of your best videos Dave.. I can see why Tesla remove all the switches and buttons as it cuts costs.. I just wished they could offer their cars with buttons etc, like legacy auto for set in their ways people like me and i would be happy to pay the extra
Interesting video.Thank you Dave.👍👍
Glad you liked it Charles, more to come
Until Elon is ejected from Tesla, I'm having *nothing* to do with the company's products (or anything else he has his racist oligarchical piggies in).
Me also
Your an idiot
so all stripped down still costing 30k !!!!!!
under 30k
I dont think Elon Musk is an idiot - he's an extremely clever visionary and we need people with his foresight in the world. But I dont like him. He's careless with his political views, interferes with societal beliefs, presides over misinformation in social media and as such I consider his personal brand toxic. We needed Tesla to kick the rest of the motor industry up the arse - its done that - but even though a Tesla Model 3 is in lots of ways a more compelling car than many of its competitors, i chose a competitor because I couldn't stand the thought of being associated with him. I believe he is bad for the Tesla brand.
Wonderful. You tell them, Dave. I am an Aberdeen-trained former Marine Radio Officer who retrained as an Electro Technical Officer. An all-electric future is good for me and very good for a Green Enerergy-rich nation called Scotland. Elon makes things happen and uses his wealth to pay for that, employing thousands on the way and inspiring even more. I am also a modest Tesla investor.
I am not a fan of Trump or the UK and USA right-wing. That is not what Tesla or Space X are. Bringing to market at affordable prices, having produced over 10 million EVs, is all the proof I need. The abuse and miss information aimed at EVs by ICE dealers and mechanics, and Petrol heads is reaching record levels. How stupid they all look now as Tesla's direct-to-the-public sales gain market shares.
But Tesla didn't and hasn't brought affordable EVs..other companies have
and the new Great British Energy, no doubt inspired by Elon, is heading your way, HQ in Aberdeen and a massive budget
@@paullynass4848 you're totally right. Even the likes of Stellantis (for all their woes) have delivered the likes of the Citroen EC3 well ahead of the proposed Model 2..... the Chinese are all over the value end of the market as well....
I really enjoy your videos
thanks and the nice thing for me is that I enjoy making them. Thanks for your support
Yep, very well put.
For anyone who can't get past Elon Musk, hard luck.
well said, can he run Tesla from Mars via Starlink?
Sold my Tesla. Much happier with the replacement. If you can't get past Musk then you aren't losing out. So it's hardly hard luck if you can't.
@ What’s your replacement?
@cbromley562 My replacement was a BWW i3S. Suited the use case better than the Tesla we had. Better to drive. Mileage almost the same, which surprised me. Battery management is much better. Fit and finish superior. Windscreen wipers and indicators work as expected. 3 years of Tesla and these things were a joke. When Tesla has the charging network for Teslas then that was what made me go Tesla before I knew enough of Musk. But more recent trips have seen Tesla chargers full while we charged and left Teslas still queuing.
@ Well, as has always been the case, people choose different cars…but to base it on one person (Musk), is a tad weak minded imo.
As always with Teslas, they receive constant updates..they recently turned their attention to the wipers, which are now very sophisticated. Further tweaks and enhancements will come.
I won’t touch Tesla as I don’t want to line the pockets of a right-wing egomaniac. I know most companies have questionable CEOs, but lines have to be drawn. There are other EVs to buy.
But lines have to be drawn?
HAVE TO?
How silly you sound ha ha
@davidilm3752 must be drawn. Will be drawn. Are drawn. I’m easy 👍🏻
I agree, if Musk was just supporting a regular Republican I wouldn't care, but him endorsing wannabe dictator Trump has crossed my line
That is your right, Dan, but I would be really keen to know, being entirely honest, is there any other product in this entire world that you refuse to buy exclusively because of the actions, attitude or beliefs of the CEO? I believe I am pretty safe in saying no.
So that begs the question are you happy and content buying an iPhone when the CEO employs slave labour in China at appallingly low wages and conditions are so incredibly dire that the employees regularly throw themselves off the roof of the factory? Or any other Smartphone CEO that encourages or allows the use of child slaves in DRC to dig out by hand the cobalt they need for their batteries?
@You’re right that there are very few companies that are golden examples and without any flaws, so I just do my best to avoid the ones that most annoy me. Or I can easily avoid as there are good alternatives. I just can’t see and hear what Musk’s politics are all about and buy expensive cars from him now.
Yeah, I understand people hating Musk because he's a dropkick! However, I still purchased an rwd m 3. Great car, love it.
To me it seems obvious that you are an electric car fanboy Dave. Elon Musk, through Tesla, pioneered the modern electric car and the modern electric car environment. It is hard to be excited about electric cars without talking about Tesla and Elon Musk.
That does not mean that you have to fanboy for Elon or Tesla.
You're doing fine Dave, don't allow other people to talk you into doubting yourself.
Oh that will never happen, total self confidence, thanks for your support
I wanted a Tesla but had to make do with a MG5 but I’m a big fan of Elan so if he sends me a new Tesla for Christmas I promise not to send it back Lol😂
Hey I'm first on his Christmas list
People not buying a Tesla because of Elon. Gawd, folks, they are the best EV package right now and the future but you are butthurt about his political stance, which is mainly common sense anyway When I'm driving my M3 Highland, the last thing I'm thinking about is Elon's X posts and what people think of me - who cares what they think. They probably want one, but decided to cut their nose to spite their face.
The closer we get to a Trump dictatorship with Elon's financial backing, the more it seems to matter to the average American.
Aside from the fact that I find it deeply weird to be a fan-boy of a company, if you allow sales alone to determine something's value then you have to also conclude that Taylor Swift is the pinnacle of music making possibilities (spoiler: there's better stuff out there).
Tesla are raking in cash from selling expensive EVs to fans and people with lots of money. It sounds from your analysis like they could help to fill the void in the market for more affordable EVs, but they choose not to do this. Why is that?
The video was not only about sales but production efficiency profit technology and a myriad of other things.
AS for why no cheaper version stop thinking like a customer and start thinking like a business, which as an investor I do. I want Tesla to sell loads of really expensive EVs at really high profit margins so they have the cash in the bank to build more factories selling loads of really expensive EVs making even more profit. As a business they should only stop making those when they run out of customers. They are now near to that time so we might see the model 2 and other budget models sometime next year. If customer demand set the business model Tesla would already be bankrupt out of business. Have patience they are driving prices down and will get there but when they do it will be in mass production on an unprecedented scale and highly profitable
@davetakesiton but you regularly complain about legacy car manufacturers charging too much for their EVs and not offering budget models that people want to buy. Tesla are much worse in this sense in that they probably could fill this need and at least break even on those models but don't want to. At least the other manufacturers try. I don't care how much profit Tesla makes, so if it's leading the way in production efficiencies and from reducing costs by removing bits of cars and telling people to get used to it, then I want that to result in lower prices not higher profits.
@@stephenballantyne No “other manufacturers try.”’Low cost Chinese companies will not survive..,
Well said Dave,
Shame Tesla cannot detach itself from Elon.
Long term follower and I have to say you speak a lot of very knowledgeable insight.
We need him to guide the company, employ the right people and keep them motivated to excel. We need him, just try ear plugs. Thanks for your support
@davetakesiton are you happy to turn a blind eye to his treatment of workers, his cozying up to right-wing politicians, opaque government contracts, political interference?
Let's not forget that when they calculated that Tesla makes cars 3x faster than VW..... That was years ago. Tesla no longer takes 10hrs to make their cars. They are now far faster. So Tesla's efficiency is far far better than 3x VAG
Excellent point. ❤ 12:54 That was an estimate by Diess - who had no direct data.
That’s not the measurement of efficiency, I don’t even understand why this channel would have brought it up earlier this week. VW and Tesla use different strategies in relation to their suppliers, common/shared parts, where the battery/engine is made and assembled and where the vehicles are sold. Car manufacturing is largely a bookkeeping, management and strategic activity. Whatever figures are used in relation to a vehicle being produced, they are meaningless as larger factories have different overheads, slowing markets benefit slower production and the wages are different.
It’s almost like choosing a dentist based on who can do the washing up better at home.
The Hyundai factory in Czech Republic makes about the same number of cars as Giga Berlin, but with a workforce about 1/3 the size of Tesla.
worst being a fan boy of the king :) Elon just can't be the richest man the bankers are... :) What were you selling Dave ?
Hey that's my ex flying mate. He's come on a bit, rather left me behind. Variety but mainly 15 years in cars ending up sales manager of Citroen dealership, then nearly 20 years in renewable energy. Few other things in between. Eclectic
From watching your videos I could tell you are a fan of Tesla. I don't think you are a massive fan boy.
AAAHHHH that makes me a fanman, that sounds old
Haha Fanboy Dave ,not long subscribed and wrapped out of an EV as I stay in a flat but went plug in with a Tucson and now I realise I could have made it work, never mind I do love the Hyundai and with the way I use it I'm averaging 100 mpg and topping battery 45p kwh
glad it worked and you can use your new knowledge in choosing your next vehicle.
Happy with Tesla, but, I never voted for Musk and I find his megaphone opinions a problem. Do not mistake freedom of speech, for abuse of freedom of reach.
Please film at 25 or 50 fps to avoid flickering and strobing. It can be very disturbing on a large screen.
Despite Tesla making dome good products, I can support a person whom I think is one of the most dangerous humans on the planet
Appreciate your support. FRUNKENSTEIN rules! ✊
Lucky he's heading off planet soon
I'm an Elon fan boy and I'm perfectly okay with that.
I’m all in on Tesla because Elon remains firmly involved. It’s what you do that matters. Don’t get sidelined by the aroma.
the funny thing is that how many of the other products we buy, are we aware of the CEO's attitudes, beliefs and actions ???? NONE !! and I'm not an Elon fanboy either, and certainly don't agree with a lot of things he says or does.. has anyone considered the loads of promises from the Japanese car market .??? why isn't anyone screaming and calling them liars ?? .. so .. Exactly like you say, Tesla employs many people and produces fantastic products.. that will help the world.. not destroy it .. :)