Bruh every good Shotty gets nerfed, I mean every gun in general gets nerfed. This community is highly hypocritical. They took about how OP the ACR, Intervention, Spas 12, Scorpions, Models etc etc are and how much fun they were. But they minute we get weapons like that... everybody's calling for a Nerf Hammer
Shotguns and LMGs are the pariah guns. Both are almost always nerfed into uselessness, because the sweats, streamers and their support base want OP SMGs, ARs and Sniper Rifles. They have the biggest voice and the Devs listen to them. Shotties & LMGs both get weakened and huge negatives so SMGs can dominate 0-20m, ARs can dominate in any other range until over 70m then snipers/marksman are king.
You're my favorite CoD RUclipsr to watch because I have enjoyed using shotguns since CoD3 and your in-depth videos help figuring out best builds are super easy and a blast to mess around with.
I really hope they reconsider how they approached this shotgun in the main build of the game. This game is FAST- you really need at enemies knees to do well with it and by the time you get that close you are mowed down by an SMG. Especially considering the adjustments to the up close aim assist. They have talked about how they want you to feel like and action hero in this game, the shotguns NEED to be brought up to that level!
This shotgun is just bad to garbage in this state. Too slow in handling, too slow in RoF, not really a long range, too big of a hip-fire spread and at least with M&K, is hard to aim correctly without a red dot sight (or at least I've been way more consistent with the 1 shot kills with a red dot). It's just too unforgiving for how little advantage it gives you, it's not fun unless you are on a crammed space and the enemies come one by one, otherwise you are better off picking a sub machine or almost even the bolt sniper, which surprisingly is good for quickscoping. Especially egregious seeing how other weapons shine with omni-movement. They could at least increase the pellet count to make it more consistent; hip firing against players twitching around with omni-movement leads to a lot of missing pellets :/
the pellet count is already 8, thats good enough. the issue is as you said, a simple fix would be to reduce the aggressive hipfire spread when using omni movement, and ofcourse increasing sprint to fire speeds of the shotgun
I remember the model 680 having a 29m one shot when built out - I'd like to see the one shot range about doubled, especially with such a slow fire rate.
No wonder the sprint out time felt bad. Slower than ARs, Oof. I get that people get annoyed at getting one shot at range by a shotgun. But the shotguns should be Mobil AF to compensate, instead of wannabes LMGs (handling wise).
the slugs do have a use. If they are in the one shot range for pellets you will get a one shot kill no matter where you hit them making it more consistent. I moved over to slugs until tac-stance.
I hope you can level the guns in zombies to get attachments that are usable for multiplayer like in Cold War. Also, does Modified Choke aid in reducing ADS spread for slugs, assuming slugs have ADS spread?
Shotguns are feeling as useless as in all Treyarch games again. Getting 4m "Longshots" is a bad sign. And all maps are too open to survive in. MW 2019 is truly a bygone era of any viability when guns like the Jackal exist.
Can you remake a video on the reviter for warzone? Or let me know if you still think it is a decent shotgun in warzone and what load out class you use?
The problem i have with the shotty is i cant jump and shoot and the STF feels so bad that i domt even think you can go from a sprint to shooting Oh and if you move anyway but forward yoy cant shoot either
@RedS0L0 yea its rough with the stf and how not many attachments help it. Try the laser that improves hipfire to ads accuracy, it's actually pretty nice for jumping if you're accurate
For me it's the only fun gun in the game. After I moved on to conventional bullet firearms I got bored of the game. This shotgun is hard to use but very rewarding unlike those
At this point I think they are adjusting shit for each individual player because I use slugs and it feels better and more consistent than without the slugs
really? i dont think ive ever gotten a one shot kill with the slugs to the body, only headshots. it might be a range value being bugged out or something, but i guess ill give it a shot today and see how it goes
@@dscopefr yeah I will not ever get one shot kills without slugs but when I run them I get them consistently I’ve literally shot someone 3 times without slugs and didn’t get the kill and I was definitely in range for a one shot maybe it’s broken entirely or something it’s a beta everything could be broken
This gun is awful to level up. In 4 hours I'm up to weapon level 10. It kills nothing, sprint to fire is 5 business days, 1 shot is extremely inconsistent. Like WHY DO HHEY HATE SHOTGUNS SO MUCH
This gun is so OBJECTIVELY bad at in all metrics exept sitting in a corner waiting for someone. Is extremly slow mobility, extremely slow RPM, extremely slow sprint to fire, extrenely wide pellet spread, extremely wide ads spread. Every other gun frels competitive if not really good as a base gun with no attachment. They wont feel extra nice like with attachment but if i had to run AK, XM4, JACKLA or C9 with no attachment i would not feel substantially disadvantaged. With this gun its brutal. Feels absolute horrible and useless except when at LEVEL 36 FULLY MODDED and then it feels...JUST OKAY. honestly if nothing changes from now to launch i genuinly wont play with shotguns or atleast this one. You feel so objectively dissadvantaged in all BUT the most niche and campy situations, even general CQB.
Why is it so hard for them to bring back a gun that feels like the model 680? That gun is goated
@PickNNNPop I loved the model. It'd probably just be too much for a game with a slightly slower ttk than MW2019 though.
They did y'all(fans not necessarily you guys) complained till they nerfed it
Bruh every good Shotty gets nerfed, I mean every gun in general gets nerfed. This community is highly hypocritical. They took about how OP the ACR, Intervention, Spas 12, Scorpions, Models etc etc are and how much fun they were. But they minute we get weapons like that... everybody's calling for a Nerf Hammer
Shotguns and LMGs are the pariah guns. Both are almost always nerfed into uselessness, because the sweats, streamers and their support base want OP SMGs, ARs and Sniper Rifles. They have the biggest voice and the Devs listen to them.
Shotties & LMGs both get weakened and huge negatives so SMGs can dominate 0-20m, ARs can dominate in any other range until over 70m then snipers/marksman are king.
You're my favorite CoD RUclipsr to watch because I have enjoyed using shotguns since CoD3 and your in-depth videos help figuring out best builds are super easy and a blast to mess around with.
I really hope they reconsider how they approached this shotgun in the main build of the game. This game is FAST- you really need at enemies knees to do well with it and by the time you get that close you are mowed down by an SMG. Especially considering the adjustments to the up close aim assist. They have talked about how they want you to feel like and action hero in this game, the shotguns NEED to be brought up to that level!
Glad to see you on Black Ops 6. Your content is refreshingly in-depth yet easy to understand.
Man, it gonna be weird without tac stance (without needing a laser). Easily one of the best things that helped shotguns in MWIII.
I want to see how it works in WZ, I remember CW shotguns being either extremely bad or extremely broken lol
The akimbo reclaimers come out tomorrow I’m so hyped tbh
This shotgun is just bad to garbage in this state. Too slow in handling, too slow in RoF, not really a long range, too big of a hip-fire spread and at least with M&K, is hard to aim correctly without a red dot sight (or at least I've been way more consistent with the 1 shot kills with a red dot).
It's just too unforgiving for how little advantage it gives you, it's not fun unless you are on a crammed space and the enemies come one by one, otherwise you are better off picking a sub machine or almost even the bolt sniper, which surprisingly is good for quickscoping.
Especially egregious seeing how other weapons shine with omni-movement. They could at least increase the pellet count to make it more consistent; hip firing against players twitching around with omni-movement leads to a lot of missing pellets :/
the pellet count is already 8, thats good enough. the issue is as you said, a simple fix would be to reduce the aggressive hipfire spread when using omni movement, and ofcourse increasing sprint to fire speeds of the shotgun
The GOAT Goomie has returned
I remember the model 680 having a 29m one shot when built out - I'd like to see the one shot range about doubled, especially with such a slow fire rate.
14-ish meters?
On one hand, it’d circumvent the overall slower TTK, but on the other, the maps are wide open anyway.
You will definitely be a good resource for this game. Treyarch must not want shotguns to be usable this year
I'm really hoping the Marine SP will be more powerful and reliable in the full release. Same goes for the other shotguns.
Amazing video as always, it's nice to see you pumping out BO6 content
Also day 3 of asking for underbarrel shotguns in warzone.
Been waiting for this video from you
me too
im hoping they buff the perk dexterity and slugs for week 2, would love to see some builds with those when they actually have a benefit
This shotgun is my favorite gun in the beta. I really don’t know why people are hating on this. I’m consistently over 2.5 with it.
No wonder the sprint out time felt bad. Slower than ARs, Oof. I get that people get annoyed at getting one shot at range by a shotgun. But the shotguns should be Mobil AF to compensate, instead of wannabes LMGs (handling wise).
the slugs do have a use. If they are in the one shot range for pellets you will get a one shot kill no matter where you hit them making it more consistent. I moved over to slugs until tac-stance.
Surprised even the sweats aren't backwards/sideways side cancelling in the the new game. It isn't even that hard to do and it's hella useful.
I hope you can level the guns in zombies to get attachments that are usable for multiplayer like in Cold War.
Also, does Modified Choke aid in reducing ADS spread for slugs, assuming slugs have ADS spread?
Shotguns are feeling as useless as in all Treyarch games again.
Getting 4m "Longshots" is a bad sign. And all maps are too open to survive in.
MW 2019 is truly a bygone era of any viability when guns like the Jackal exist.
MW22 had better shotguns than 2019
@@roar104 No 😂
It's fun but it reeks of cold delivery it doesn't want apes just decent shots, and at that rate what are you really getting out of it
Shotguns aren't allowed to be good in slower TTK cod games, yet there's a literal PDW that outguns ARs and LMGs at long range. Make it make sense.
I really wish this gun had a damage minium. Their should never be a range where 5 and 6 hitmarkers doesn't result in a kill.
Can you remake a video on the reviter for warzone? Or let me know if you still think it is a decent shotgun in warzone and what load out class you use?
Tally hall
Really gonna miss that tac stance 😔
They can keep it as is but make the sprint out speed nearly instant. Whats the point of a shotgun if you can't rush with it.
I hope shotguns get some love in bo6. 🗿
The problem i have with the shotty is i cant jump and shoot and the STF feels so bad that i domt even think you can go from a sprint to shooting
Oh and if you move anyway but forward yoy cant shoot either
@RedS0L0 yea its rough with the stf and how not many attachments help it. Try the laser that improves hipfire to ads accuracy, it's actually pretty nice for jumping if you're accurate
Goomie, they keep breaking my pumpgunning heart every year. Hold me 😢
Using these on mouse and keyboard feels so dreadful because you sprint while strafing without pressing the shift button automatically a lot of times.
For me it's the only fun gun in the game. After I moved on to conventional bullet firearms I got bored of the game. This shotgun is hard to use but very rewarding unlike those
NEEDS RATE OF FIRE BUFF
This shotgun need buff to the fire speed to slow to get second and so inconsistent
This looks like the Bryson 800 warzone 2.0
At this point I think they are adjusting shit for each individual player because I use slugs and it feels better and more consistent than without the slugs
really? i dont think ive ever gotten a one shot kill with the slugs to the body, only headshots. it might be a range value being bugged out or something, but i guess ill give it a shot today and see how it goes
@@dscopefr yeah I will not ever get one shot kills without slugs but when I run them I get them consistently I’ve literally shot someone 3 times without slugs and didn’t get the kill and I was definitely in range for a one shot maybe it’s broken entirely or something it’s a beta everything could be broken
This gun is awful to level up. In 4 hours I'm up to weapon level 10. It kills nothing, sprint to fire is 5 business days, 1 shot is extremely inconsistent. Like WHY DO HHEY HATE SHOTGUNS SO MUCH
Because they want you to use snipers which are basically shotguns anyways
i got it to level 10 in like 3 games you just need to play small maps and use stims
With that fire rate it’ll be completely useless in Warzone 😂
This gun is so OBJECTIVELY bad at in all metrics exept sitting in a corner waiting for someone. Is extremly slow mobility, extremely slow RPM, extremely slow sprint to fire, extrenely wide pellet spread, extremely wide ads spread. Every other gun frels competitive if not really good as a base gun with no attachment. They wont feel extra nice like with attachment but if i had to run AK, XM4, JACKLA or C9 with no attachment i would not feel substantially disadvantaged. With this gun its brutal. Feels absolute horrible and useless except when at LEVEL 36 FULLY MODDED and then it feels...JUST OKAY.
honestly if nothing changes from now to launch i genuinly wont play with shotguns or atleast this one. You feel so objectively dissadvantaged in all BUT the most niche and campy situations, even general CQB.
it's the worst shotgun in a game EVER
god you play so cringy lmao
NOOO NERF IT DOWN!!!!
Nerf it??? Have you used the POS??? Hit marker after hit marker