Wonder Woman DESERVES More Respect
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- Опубликовано: 12 мар 2024
- Wonder Woman is considered one of the most iconic superheroes in DC Comics, alongside Batman, Superman, The Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest of the Justice League. She has appeared in various media, including the DCEU with Zack Snyder's Universe, which began with Man Of Steel, and in video games like Injustice and Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League, set five years after Batman Arkham Knight. Wonder Woman has also shone in DC Animation, such as Justice League Unlimited/DCAU, the DC Animated Movie Universe based on the New 52, and Young Justice. However, it seems that many aspects of the character are neglected in several adaptations, such as the Wonder Girls, her villains like Circe and Dr. Psycho, as well as more of her morals. The Wonder Woman game being developed by Monolith and the upcoming DCU reboot by James Gunn show some promise in potentially showcasing all aspects of the character's mythos.
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Isn’t crazy that venom will be getting a trilogy before Wonder Woman
Gunn should have let Gal do one more movie and have it release right before Superman to close off the DCEU cause she was the only real reason people loved that universe honestly
@seansanford7684 she's not worth of the WW character
they would have probably had a ww3 if ww 1984 didn't flop. besides we are getting a wonder woman prequel series and a gunn talked about trying to launch an animation show. don't know if we will ever get one tho.
@@vincentluong7550 they were saying they will but who knows if we acc will
at this rate, The Suicide Squad will get a trilogy before her 🤦♂
I am surprised we never ever got a Wonder Woman animated series at this point.
I dont want one now. Not with the woke virus on the loose.
I am as well. I was just talking about that.
Yeah, what the hell?
There was somewhat a recent animation film with her
Maybe not enough villains to support the cast?
Normal Wonder Woman deserves respect but Injustice Wonder Woman deserves nothing but death.
Fun fact: Did you know that in the animated movie adaption of Injustice, Wondie was voiced by Janet Varney, the voice of Avatar Korra?
I liked the injustice Wonder Woman in the sense the writers actually were given permission to make her evil. Unlike Superman or Batman they didn't have some _weird_ justification for it they just did it. And since everyone seems to hate the character, I think they did their job well. They made her interesting "evil" and not just evil for the sake of it *evil* .
Injustice Wonder Woman? You mean Rebound Girl?
I was so dissapointed to learn she woke up from that coma in the second year tbh
so do like 90% of characters in injustice
Well said, Wonder Woman is well-known but still lacks proper adaptations
Indeed!
I agree. The Animated Justice League series WW is all cool and hot and stuff and that was my best childhood ever but not even that felt enough for me
One thing I like how about Gal's Wonder Woman is you could see how much cared about helping people.
I really wish we gotten an animated series for Wonder Woman like for Batman, Superman, and even Green Lantern. I’m tired of most of WW adaptation that solely focuses on her is just her origin story. I would love to see more of her relationship with her supporting casts like Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, Hippolyta, Donna Troy, Artemis, Nubia, Cassie Sandsmarks, and the rest of the amazons. I would love to see more of her rogue gallery outside of Aries and Cheetah, like Blue Snowman, Dr Psycho, Silver Swan, and Circe. Wonder Woman has so much lore that DC are either too lazy or too afraid to explore for people who don’t read comics
I have some pretty good ideas for a Wonder woman cartoon. Granted, I don't have a complete outline in my mind, but again, the ideas are there.
Well green lantern has had a series on cartoon Network that is kinda loved although (I don't love the animation) and also he was basically the main character of new frontier and that was an amazing animated movie also he has a movie so idk he got one before flash and that's criminal to me
We did get an animated series for Green Lantern.
Maxwell Lord always felt like a Justice League villain so good on you for not mentioning him, still he deserves a good adaptation with WW eventually
ok lets talk about this, you say you want to see more things about Diana that are not her origin story, so make me a list of all the main key lore events after her origins story, key events that shape the character, like for example "Spiderman and Gwen Stacy's death" how many "Lore Pillar Events" Diana has?
A WW game like new age God of War would be incredible. Yes it would compared but its a system that fits perfectly for her!!
Naw, it should be grandiose like God of War (2005) - God of War: Ascension. I've dreamed about a Wonder Woman game in that style for many many years now. Either that or it could be like Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War gameplay-wise, that'd be lit.
Gunn talked about making a Wonder Woman animated series. I hope that happens so we can see more of her world other than her origin
Gunn can't be trusted with DC properties. He made a horrible SS film and is currently making an atrocious adaptation of Superman. He is going to end DC Comics.
Hope it's not connected to the DCU or any other continuity. I also hope both that series and game avoid modern politics and respectfully adapt the source material (the good source material specifically) and that the game is fun and not a live service and microtransaction riddled mess, or even a good live service. I hate live service and microtransactions and always online crap. Game better not be an over the shoulder fixed camera playable movie either, should be like classic God of War or Shadow of Mordor.
@@MattGraves01I'm very very cautious on his plans for the DCU. He loves adaptating obscure characters but has a bad track record of adaptating them in a accurate way, like Bloodsport or Star Lord. They're likeable but it always disappoints me. Not to mention Tom King's involved with this, so I hope he barely effects the universe like Geoff Johns barely effected the DCEU.
His teams casting for Superman: Legacy is all good so far, except they race bent Hawkgirl again and Nathan Fillion would've been a better Hal Jordan. Still hasn't been a bad live-action Superman casting yet as far as I know, new lois is good and we might be getting the only good live-action action Lex besides Smallville Lex (who isn't as good as modt animated Lex's).
Also his favorite Robin is Damian Wayne, he likes Tom King Superman/Supergirl runs, and he thought Tim Burton Batman's OST which are all red flags imo, despite how petty the first and last ones are.
@@chocov1233 I'm not even sure if I even want to watch any of his DCU films. He wasted great actors like Michael Rooker and Peter Capaldi in his SS film, so if any castings he's done are good, then it's likely he'll waste them too.
Well Tyler Hoeclin is a horrible Superman, so it's still possible that Gunn's casting is also bad.
Him liking Damian Wayne is definitely a red flag for me as I despise that character.
@@chocov1233 Hawkgirl isn’t being race bent. Kendra Saunders is latina in the comics
Fun fact: the creator of Wonder Woman created Wonder Woman based on his wife.
just got epilepsy reading that
@Waffles.. What he meant is the creator William created the character based of his wife
And their life partner/mistress
@@BumbleCrumble1072 yes, and her lasso and gauntlet are based on BDSM and he was also feminist
@@S_N1. yeah…i know bro…🤦🏻♂️
Its like people dont know she started this shit the most influential woman hero of all time
Next to Black Widow.
@@trevturp6891not at all
@@trevturp6891black widow is a b list hero
@@Ivan-xk4uy No, she's not. That's complete and utter bullshit.
@@trevturp6891 you seriously think black widow is more popular than wonder woman?
The animated Wonder woman movie is actually my favorite movie from 2009. Which is kind of crazy when you look back on all the really great movies that were out on the big screen during that year.
absolutely
So true, along with the justice league animated series wonder woman voiced by Susan as Diana is also amazing. However I feel as if they wouldn't want to use the 2009 version and personality for a new wonder woman because even though she was open minded and valiant she still held strong negative views against the opposite sex based on the teachings by her mother.
They always talk about the Trinity but it’s time to be honest, it’s a duo and their friend that shows up in whatever capacity they choose.
After the first Wonder Woman movie you would think there'd be Wonder- mania. You'd think they'd be more comics, a cartoon, games, toys, etc. Guess WB is not as "woke" as people thought.
WB is just allergic to Money
@Terminal_Apotos That makes no sense. Maybe out of touch with reality but certainly into money.
Wrong. Plenty woke. They just kept trying to artificially make Harley Quinn mania a thing to fill their ESG scores when they literally have the first major female superhero as literally one of their big three and a prominent female Superman family member in existence. Like, how do you be so dumb, WB? You had TWO perfect opportunities giftwrapped for you to try and please both woke and non-woke people and you dumped all your points into psycho, white trash barbie! XD
Oh they did have Wonder Woman many That's how we got Wonder Woman 1984 and then they made so many spin-off Wonder Woman comic books but the problem is all of that Wonder Woman mania stuff that they had after the first Wonder Woman movie it sucked and people didn't buy it because the writers and people who were working on the Wonder Woman stuff didn't understand Wonder Woman and they wanted to make her more about agenda of Wonder Woman don't need no man she's a powerful woman and you know that old same nonsense of men are beneath women kind of trope and people just aren't going to be interested in that kind of stuff Oh and then of course they wanted to start focusing on LGBT topics as well so yeah of course that was going to go wrong lol
But WB wants to shove Harley Quinn down our throat
Every time I see fans put Wonder Woman up against another Character I laugh my ass off because she can easily stomp out the competition yet that’s not what immediately comes to mind as she’s more of a compassionate protector. Wonder Woman is such a cool character, hope they do her justice in the DCU.
She can easily kill alll but maybe not doomsday
@@WonderrrMoxxxI think WW vs Doomsday could go either way as a fight
@@Cdr2002 She, Champion(SPOILER, it was Hercules) and Wonder Girl killed a Doomsday in volume 2. And by that I mean a perfect copy of Doomsday and by killed I mean reduced his body to powder and mist so he couldn't revive from death anymore! And that was the Cassie Sandsmark Wonder Girl, so it's more accurate to say Wonder Woman and Champion beat Doomsday while periodically pushing Wonder Girl out of their way. And Doomsday was joined by perfect copies of The Flash(Barry Allin, who was still dead at the time) and Sinestro...perfect except for the fact Flash usually isn't evil, but point was it wasn't simply Doomsday being ganged up on, he had his own team and still lost to the point his signature return from Death powers weren't enough.
@@insupportofjunhado didn’t know that, that’s very impressive! I don’t think you really needed to go out of your way to undersell Cassie like that, but I haven’t read it so maybe that’s how the fight went down. Every hero has to start somewhere
@@Cdr2002 Yes, start. This was back when Cassie Sandsmark was still a problem child who was more of a hinderance than help. Diana wanted to give Cassie proper training but Cassie's mother Helena refused to let Cassie get involve in anything combat related or supernatural, so Cassie's involvement was usually unexpected and detrimental.
It wasn't until The Amazons all contracted the same disease and almost died due to the Olympians playing around with something in space that Cassie Sandsmark started becoming useful. Namely by requesting a personal audience with Zeus and begging him for super powers like Diana's(later revealed that she always had them, but Zeus suppressed them because Helena couldn't handle normal girl Cassie, much less super speed super strength Cassie). Even then this just made Cassie tough enough to survive or fast enough to get away from the problems she caused. Finally after Neron dealt Diana a mortal blow she asked Artemis to give Cassie the training she really needed on her death bed, finally turning her into a competent Wonder Girl(and Supergirl too. Don't know what was happening in the Superman books but she apparently needed training that Diana also couldn't give on account of dying/being dead)
Rebirth/Infinite Frontier/Dawn Of DC I don't know as much. Cassie isn't trained by Artemis, Artemis in fact refuses to teach her anything this time around, but Cassie in the Rebirth stuff never seems as stupid or out of place as she was in Wonder Woman volume 2.
honestly it’s everyone other than batman. green lantern is probably the least represented to be fair
True. He at least got an animated series but it was very short and they haven’t given him really anything since
@@darkspark5854 because that movie was atrocious.
The real issue is WB aren't interested in anything that's not batman
The closest we got to a Wonder Woman story that is equivalent to “Death of Superman/Kinghtfall” was her “Genocide” story arc. In which she was severely beaten by Genocide that left her bruised body and broken soul. But then much like Batman, she had to re-learn about herself and to stand up to this incredible foe no matter it takes.
Second close was her another self discovery story arc during the 52 Story run (Not to be confused with New 52). But that was more Diana’s self discovery as a person than Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman's "Death of Superman/Knightfall" was "Amazons Attack", where Artemis challenges Diana, Hippolyta cheats to make Diana lose, this giving Artemis the title and role of Wonder Woman. Then Artemis spends 2 or 3 issues running around and doing stupid stuff until she eventually gets killed. Then Hippolyta reveals that she had recently gotten a warning from some Oracle that they'd gotten the message that "Within three weeks time, Wonder Woman will die!" So she orchestrated things to make sure that Diana was no longer Wonder Woman.
@@jerfuhrer2581 That was The Contest, not Amazons Attack. Amazons Attack is where she was drugged and kidnapped by the US Government because they wanted their own Death Ray and the Amazons wouldn't tell USA how to build one. By the time Wonder Woman busted out the two sides were at war and the damage had been done...and instead of Death Rays we got Amazons on flying horses shooting bees.
Unironically one of the best wonder woman to ever be put on the screen is the brave and the bold wonder woman with the old school theme and everything
Susan Eisenberg will always be my favorite.
What are you talking about?
@@trevturp6891 She's the voice actress for Wonder Woman in the Justice League and JLU cartoons.
@@icemaster9728 Thanks for answering my question.
To be fair, JLU , JLA and Gal Gadot's WW are the only mainstream versions that I feel have been done right.
A lot of others portray her as a misandrist and/or a complete monster conviced of her own justice. (Injustice WW in particular is basically the real villain of that elseworld story)
Those versions are all shallow
The Justice League cartoon is debatable. It's a solid adaptation, but screws her over TOO MUCH to be considered "done right", like how they make her Batman's love interest, how they change her origin story to the daughter of Hades, the episode the centered around one of her villains (Circe) has her out of comission while Batman takes center stage (now that I think about it, that show really liked jerking off to Batman, huh?)
Linda Carter's TV version was shallow also but at her prime, Linda carter was the best physical embodiment of wonder woman. She was 5 feet 8 inches. 38 25 36 stats. She was extraordinarily beautiful which was the only reason to watch the show. Memes and give galore of her running. I wondered why they couldn't find a better choice than gal gadot
That WW videogame could be awesome if Monolith is given the freedom to create.
Alright when you were mentioning video games all I could think was the fact that flashs never gotten his own game but then hearing that there's only been two animated wonder woman films was legitimately jaw-dropping
Well, there is that one GBA Flash game.
@@harlannguyen4048 WRONG it's actually just a scaled down version of a justice league game renamed to flash it wasn't designed directly for flash
@@bignoasted2701 That is true
Whatever the next big project is for wonder woman I really hope they either give gigantia some love or use some of her wacky villains like the blue snowman or egg fu
I'm not that surprised that Wonder Woman has never had her own animated series. Warner Bros would probably cancel and say something dumb like we can't sell toys based on a female lead action cartoon series. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
The biggest problem with warner bros is that they have Boomers calling the shots, most of the stuff people call woke comes from boomers failing at being hip.
or she just is not as famous as batman is
I never like it when an awesome cartoon gets canceled and the executives fall back on the "It just wasn't selling enough toys" excuse. It's not about making money, it's about making art.
@@mommatthew2756 well with her marketing and limited avenues it would kinda make sense but then again she's the most famous and influential super heroine, so she deserves more
@@serena3673 her influence is only there because she is in the trinity,,,and is tied heavily to batman and superman...
her character also is terribly written and no writer can write her nowadays
Lets be honest here, only Batman and Superman (but mostly Batman) exist at the eyes of DC right now. The "DC Trinity" is no more, its more like "DC Couple".
I love Batman, but there's this old saying that goes "too much of a good thing is a bad thing", and I think I already had "too much" of Batman as of late. Enough is enough.
Never enough batman
You called something trash, and you eloquently provided constructive criticism, respect.
Oh, definitely. Despite being a part of the trinity she was not unfortunately given a big push post 2017.
She should have a third movie already
No one knows anything about Donna Troy and that’s kinda sad. She needs to be in more things she’s confusing enough and her not getting any exposure isn’t helping.
Edit the whole Wonder Woman side of DC needs more love
Both Donna and Cassie are relatively unknown to the general audience or even casual comic readers. Wonder Woman has never had her lore properly depicted on screen.
If Donna Troy just had one good adaptation on screen then the comics would follow and she could finally get a solid established origin that isn’t confusing
@@sofakingdom5806 I personally felt Titans Donna was perfect casting. I don't necessarily agree with how they killed her, but it wasn't a deal killer for me.
I like both Donna and Cassie. @@MattGraves01
@@MatthewHaggerty-zk9mg So do I.
"Wonder Woman should NOT be slept on." That about sums it up. DCU Wonder Woman and Monolith's WW game needs to deliver in all seriousness.
Patty's hubris in WW84 ruined Wonder Woman for the masses. Hopefully the game restores the general public's interest in her. She's a layered and complex character who deserves so much more respect ijs
0:56 Yara Flor was about to get her own tv series on *“CW,”* but it got Shelved. After The Naomi TV series is for the best Yara’s Show got shelved. CW does more harm than help.
Donna Troy dies by electrocution? Are you serious? Does Donna Troy have powers? You know divine magic powers?
In Titans Donna was a normal girl reduced and adopted by Diana as a little sister. How she got her powers was never explained.
@@n8298906that show was an embarrassment
@@n8298906 originally, Donna troy was healed with the Amazon's purple ray which also gave her powers. By marv Wolfman's tenure where the teen titans run became as popular as the xmen long ago, it was retconned that the purple ray only activated Donna's metagenes and that Donna was more than just a metahuman. It was shown that she was also directly linked to the titans of legend who gave her new powers as troia. Under john Byrne she was a magical clone golem of wonder woman etc Its all confusing because of all DC characters, Donna troy is the key to the lost multi verse. She's the only DC character who lived and remembered all her alternate versions in the lost multi verse. So yes she's kind of an anomaly. Check out her wiki
@@n8298906 it was probably relying on implied knowledge about Amazonian technology.
If they're using the simple original origin by Marv Wolfman before his 1983 update, then it's just Purple Healing Ray Imbued+ got a similar lasso to Diana's from S.T.A.R. Labs. (Not sure why Donna would need one from S.T.A.R. though since the Amazons are just as capable of advanced science as they are warriors when a proper writer remembers this.) Those Purple Healing Rays are able to do whatever. That said...to a bunch of people who ask that iconic storyline title without even knowing it's one...yes that could have been mentioned...while she was shown riding a Kanga...a giant alien kangaroo...which intrigued writer Phil Jiminez when he was a kid.
I love WW fine ass. I hope we get an animated series in the future.
"Where is her Death of Superman/The Killing joke"
I heard rumors about that for Wonder Woman... Let's just say the idea was really vile and DC would NEVER recover from it💀
oh lord, i’ve never heard of that but i can only imagine..
Is there really an idea like that, how bad are we talking here?
@@rodgers1207 I think what's being alluded to is the alleged "R-word of Wonder Woman" (censored because I don't know what RUclips will do) book supposedly pitched by Mark Miller as a joke in the 90's. The joke was it was supposed to be like the Death of Superman, but wonder would get R-worded. Even worse is that supposedly DC actually liked the story, and even drew the first page. That was a time when DC was in a really bad spot, and were being really edgy when it came to how they treated their heroes.
@@latrellboddie8906WHAT
@@rodgers1207Well with a female character one of two things:
She either gets severely beaten up by a sadistic Man that enjoys it. Or gets R--ed. Or both.
You know the dark fetish that exists online about what people would do to WW should they have a chance? Yes something similar.
I'll always be sad that the 2017 Wonder Woman movie (when I finally watched it a couple years ago) made me love the character because unlike every prior DCEU movie they actually focused on making her likable and well intentioned, only for me to watch 1984 not long after and realize that I can't have nice things.
I'm hoping that they make more WW adaptations in the future since the most we have are two movies that adapt the same story (albeit told differently), Bloodlines (which is decent) and the garbage fire that is WW84. And I'm praying to all that's holy that the Wonder Woman game doesn't suck or flop, because you know if it does we're getting nothing but Batman games for a while going forward
Gail Simone's quote can be applied to many comic characters. But yeah, W.W. probably has it the worst.
+100
Who is Gail Simone!!??
@@S2KPOP4 one of the comics writers.
She's the one known for writing Birds of Prey, giving Barbara Gordon her new identity as Oracle and showing how one of the most iconic superheroines of all time, even though she had access to an Amazonian purple ray, preferred to get her mobility back the same way any other disabled person might...through therapy while also becoming the entire DCU's mission control and the leader of the team. She also wrote the Nu52 Batgirl about an earlier point in her career and had the last good Pre-Flashpoint Wonder Woman run before Strackzjynski introduced the modern (and dumb) idea of constantly making her a plaything of her pantheon instead of that being more of a one-off thing instead.
Harley quinn has gotten more respect and adaptions , its honestly sad tbh 😂😂
Let's just hope James Gunn's Wonder Woman & Monolith Wonder Woman game can make Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
If Wonder Woman enters the DCU. let's just hope if James Gunn's version of WW's costume her Star-Spangled Underwear/Briefs/Trunks because it's been a long overdue for a Live Action Wonder Woman with a Swimsuit.
James Gunn doesn't care about Wonder Woman, he's interested in Supergirl.
Definitely a favorite character. She definitely has a deep section of the universe to dive into for live action hopefully. Unfortunately she doesn't have great stories. I will agree writers should take a portion of the blame. I love her being in two worlds at once. Something I can't understand how more writers don't understand how to just write about that in good context.. Tom king run has been good, Historia was great... Dead Earth was a interesting, good read. I feel Gadot put some good interest in the character but unfortunately WW84 kinda killed any buzz she had. Hopefully we see James Gunn utilize her as a true Trinity member.
She does have a lot of good stories, they're just not compacted in short stories like Dead Earth.
Try her runs by George Perez, Phil Jiminez, Gail Simone and Greg Rucka.
@@Timepilot94 DC ALWAYS seems dead-set on screwing over Wonder Woman
She’s been getting written to be more and more insufferable the last decade I’m not surprised if people don’t respect her. Don’t write a character to be even slightly misandrist if you’re not going to tell them they’re wrong about it. Unfortunately that’s where a lot of Wonder Woman iterations fail for me. Her being that way initially makes sense based on her upbringing but she’s rarely called out for it and rarely drops her “Amazon superiority” complex.
There have been plenty of good versions of Wonder Women but people only seem to remember the bad or cringe ones
I feel you you should do Starfire next. She gets disrespected too
@IceGodzilla619 both of them are really sexualized
@IceGodzilla619 there's A lot of hate going around with Starfire and how dc comics keep changing her personality to naive child which she isn't
@BajanDolly_ren seriously as much as I love the teen titans animated version of her, that version of starfire is the outlier in terms of her personality. She's has a long history of having anger issues and having to find ways to cope and coming to understand all that she went through as a kid. It feels like people want to take the 03 version and crank it up to 1000 and make her seem like a child rather then an adult woman
@@peachynene3447 I couldn't agree more with you now she became a scatterbrain. I hate that for her
@IceGodzilla619I am not Starfire.
Enough said.
Gail Simone is so right! But i think that can be the idea behind all DC comics to be honest. Like every new writer is a new take.
I mean i can think of 3 popular villains that were created in the last decade, Punchline, God Speed and TBWL.
Sometimes it feels like the universe is going nowhere.
I demand a Wonder Woman animated series!
Also, WB better not mess up her game
Preach! Wondie needs a rogues gallery glow up, stat!
Nope, she just needs them to be in more adaptations OUTSIDE of comics. That's how you get them popular!
@@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831
That's what I'm talking about, man!
@@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831 even then what is so cool about wonderwomen that can compare to batman or superman ?? she has really no personality stick and no hook
@@mommatthew2756
"she has really no personality stick and no hook"
Funny how people say the same thing about Superman XD
Just shows ignorance on BOTH characters.
@@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831 bro this is insanely cap
superman legit is the embodiment of a man who has the powers of a god but is just as human as everyone else,,,THATS HIS HOOK
also no personality stick ???? are you CRAZY?? superman has legit been always known as the boyscout who always talks about hope and peace,,thats always been his personality humble and kind and willing to give his life for even a homeless man on the street,,,his background is also way more better ,,,last surving alien landed on earth and had to learn to be human,,,and restraint,,,his powers,,,to not be judged,, a man who didnt even want his powers and just wants to be human,,,knowing his powers,,,really have no limit and can become as powerfull as he wanted he chooses not to,,,he also HOLDS BACK,,,all the time which makes him complex just as batmans no kill rule is,,,so do not give a take EVER AGAIN ,,,,respectably
diana has none of this,,,no hook that drives you in,,,no motivation from the start to be a hero for earth,,,personality as clark or bruces ,,,and her rouge gallary are simply extremely boring villans because she as a character,,,is hard to right due to the fact she legit does not have a base ground or home or complex rouge gallary or even missons,,,
You know a wonder woman series would be fire. Seeing her in world war 2 all the way up into the modern era. The relationship with steve trevor. Going up against villains like Cheetah, giganta, dr psycho, dr poison, ares, circe. Wonder woman has a surprisingly huge rouges gallery
I miss when Wonder Woman was a beloved superhero, the injustice universe and movies kinda ruined her image imo
Not at all, she's still a beloved superhero. Injustice is an alternate universe where she's literally 100% out-of-character
10:45 she did killed lord maxwell and most of the heroes were pissy about it even it it was 100% the right thing to do at the moment.
I wish she got the same plot armor bullcrap that Superman and Batman get all the time. There should be a lot of stuff she should be able to do being a demigoddess besides being just to punch hard.
Same problem as Thor. And Thor's character portraited by mcu is also absolute garbage.Which makes the matter worse is that Thor has tons of materials that are both solid and easy to adapt but wasted by Disney. And there also doesn't have many good movies out there about Norse mythos
I hope they cook hard with that WW game! I'm craving some good DC gaming content. I'm replaying the OG Arkham Asylum and I would love they put that same amount of respect to her lore as that would make for a compelling game!
2:23 lego dc supervillians is good
What would be really interesting is Wonder Woman's take on killing. I mean think about, the Amazonians are based on Greek Mythology, very prone to violence. They've had to be that way in order to protect themselves. So have all that for a childhood, not to mention WW technically being a war veteran, I think her journey on how to balance that killer streak with compassion would be really cool. It'll definitely make an intriguing conflict with Batman's & Superman's "No Kill" Rule.
In the comics the amazons are warriors but they are not prone to violence. Diana generally uses violence as a last resort and doesn't kill unless it's absolutely the last option (like when she killed Maxwell Lord), which is why her main weapon is her lasso. Also, post crisis she came to men's world after ww2, so she's not really a war veteran. (The new 52 made the amazons very violent and gave her a sword... but everyone was out of character in the new 52)
@@nikoletta3855 Apologies, I didn't know all that. I guess I just thought it be cool to take more from the Greek Mythology and the War I was referring to was the one in the 2017 movie. But since James Gunn is redoing her story, there's probably no point in mentioning that. Thank you for informing me!!😊👍🙏🏾
Beg your pardon but I respectfully disagree. Wonder Woman's creator William Marston wrote the Amazons as a peaceful, enlightened race as he specifically wanted them to be a subversion of the "man-hating savages" myth.
There are several characters that DC has no idea what to do with. Wonder Woman is one of them.
I keep telling people. Wonderwoman may be apart of the big 3, but she ain’t IN the big three.
Ask any casual what they know about Batman and Superman,
I’m sure they could write you a mini essay on both minimum,
Ask them about Wonderwoman ask them genuinely “hey, before the WW movie did you know the name of 3 Wonderwoman villains” and they gonna be lost for words.
More people know The Flash’s villains more than Diana’s
Wonder Woman never deserved the spot.
@jsu2303 That's a hot take. If not her then who? And why is she undeserving?
@@Twin_Dragon_Fistsma boy flash
@@fuckmondays2300 Why would they have 3 men in the big three? And why him and not her?
@@Twin_Dragon_Fists lol I’m joking and also, what’s wrong with 3 men?
Gal made me a fan but the character of Wonder Woman is the reader I stayed. Yes she’s not the strongest actress but she pulled off the fierceness and the compassion that Diana carries. Wonder Woman imo is truly the best female character and paved the way for so many after her. She deserves more appearances in all media imo.
she's a murderer
Wonder woman is too sexualized.
shes made a simp for superman, batman (in some comics or series). Like cmon, shes given a wisdom of Aphrodite..
@Timepilot94 thanks for correcting me on wisdom part and exactly.
Honestly, that fits her Greek Goddess aesthetics 😂 Except that she's actually kind and fair
I really do think we need a DEFINITIVE and compelling Wonder Woman portrayal. Superman and Batman have had numerous portrayals that definitively outline their character and what they stand for. As a core member of the Trinity, WW needs to have a specific ideal she embodies in the same way Superman embodies Hope and Batman embodies Justice/a symbol of fear for criminals.
WW has such a rich background and lore and I think brings a lot to the trinity and it’s a shame that her character is arguably less iconic and defined as the other trinity members.
I also think that there’s something really interesting that could be explored in terms of her bringing a feminine perspective to the JL. Not in like a modern feminist way, but more along the lines of the idea that men and women can have complementary traits to each other.
What role/unique perspective could she bring to the trinity/JL that is exclusive to her being raised by an exclusively female society?
Idk, just a thought.
@@wesleybutler1868 "modern feminist way"
What do you mean by that?
@@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831modern feminism has become much more hateful and divisive. Causing more harm.
I don't think we've get the definitive versions of any of the characters, specifically in live action. In animation, yes, but not in live action. None of them have found the right balance of serious and campy. They usually just choose one or the other, and limit themselves. Making them boring.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp When?
And I don't think leaving out sidekicks is disrespectful especially when they weren't really created with the character. Trevor and Etta are sufficient to take forward.
You did her more justice than DC ever will.
To be fair, the big problem with wonderwoman is that a lot of time, she's too preachy, most of the time on a high horse. It is sometimes hypocritical, especially with her themes of misandrism conflicting with feminism or the constant problem with the amazons sometimes being evil, never being resolved (plus the fact she is sometimes ok with it). Not to mention having so many retcons that make the character incosistent compared to superman or batman does not help. It's even worse when a lot of her more recognized comics are the writers dumbing down other characters to make her look better. An example is "The Hiketia" issue (which has a cover of wonder womans foot on top of batmans head) in which he is after a criminal who wonder woman decides for whatever reason to put under her protection. There was also that time she and the amazons attacked supergirl when she was taking a stroll with Superman to prove she couldn't control her powers instead of straight out asking him. It's similar when writers make it that batman can't kill joker for good. A lot of people hate it.
My problem with Wonder Woman is that DC never utilizes her connection with the Wonder family, all the wonder girls get character development in Teen Titans,JL and young Justice but never in WW stories even Green Arrow and Aquaman utilize the sidekicks and lore they've built up over the years better than Wonder Woman.
I agree with most of your points. However, I do prefer WW and Superman being together.
Your videos on DC Trinity are SPOT ON!!!
Wonder Woman, Green lantern and Aquaman all deserve better. They need more attention in DC media as there criminally underrated and have so much potential. Wonder woman deserves her own animated series and a game so does Green lantern. Imagine what you could do with a green lantern game with all that fascinating lore and those powers you have so many game play possibilities.
Donna Troy wasn't just featured in Titans, but also the DC animated shorts:"Super Best Friends Forever" along side Super Girl and Bat-Girl.
I've heared a theory. That barbruh turned into a cheetah based on the pattern on high heels that diana had the day they met, only motivation for her to be turned into cheetah in entire movie.
Wonder Woman 2009 >>>>>> 2019
Great point about directors being given full creative control and going off the rails. People complain about studio meddling in these movies, but I'd rather have someone keeping continuity and characterization intact, than directors feeling they can just do whatever they want regardless of how it affects the larger universe.
If James Gunn or whoever directs the DCU Wonder Woman movie does a good job it can carry over to other media just like the guardians of the galaxy or Peacemaker did
And I hope for the love of god that she doesn't date batman or Superman i really really hate that
All the cool characters are so underrated, Wonder Woman, Klarion, Zatana, Circe, Nightwing etc. Also y’all be so salty that Gal Gadot cant. cAnt aCt foR ShiT. God so damn annoying
U think she’s a bad actor?
Yeah, um, you don't want to know what her equivalent of Death Superman could have been. Especially since they were thinking about the Breaking of the Bat as a parallel.
Is they any character thats related to batman that we can give a series?
- WB probably
3:30 theres the lego batman/justice league games and also DC online, but yeah she deserves her own game
Diana with Clark is really the best romance for her. If DC would stop getting in it's own way and JUST LET IT WORK it would be their most popular romance by far. It puts them where they belong. Together as the Mother & Father of Superheroes.
The only good love interest for her whose name starts with C is Cheetah.
I hope the WW game really amplifies her stories. She has many amazing stories especially in the Post-Crisis era, Justice League Dark (2018), and other assorted stories such as The Hiketeia and League of One. Praying that Circe is the main villain in the game!
I remember reading 80's Wonder Woman comics over a few months time some few years ago so while I don't primarily follow the character currently, I'm decently familiar with her major friends and foes.
When given the chance look up Mark Millar's treatment for a Death of Wonder Woman, it is a horrifying pitch and the fact that DC maybe even kind of humored the idea is gross.
I think that Wonder Woman and Batman is better than Clark and Diana. She would be really healthy for Bruce. But I can't forget Steve Trevor, in the 50/50 chance he's in the universe. Wonder Woman works best as the gentle, compassionate heroine of my childhood.
But for real, though. Never let New 52 cook again
I'm a big Wonder Woman fan, but when it comes to villains I know 5 at best, because DC only uses those 5, like she has no animated series which is awful and she has such unique designs and interesting lore and they just kinda... jump over that...
Scree it Im gonna go read a Wonder Woman comic.
Wonder Woman has a sidekick and it’s Etta candy. They downsized her to a simple secretary instead of an American spy or something else to accommodate her to modern stories. How annoying!
I think that WW main problem with her rogue's gallery is that it lacks a clear core element.
Think about it, Superman's main rogues are all classic sci-fi villains: the mad scientist (Toyman and Lex Luthor), the being from another dimension (Mr.Mxyzptlk), the malformed clone (Bizarro), the cyborg (Metallo), the alien that comes to Earth to study us (Brainiac) etc.
Batman's villains are all freaks, people that for some reason or another are no more part of the society and that release all their hatred or frustration on it: from Joker to Penguin, from Ra's al Ghul to Black Mask they all fit this description.
But WW? Ares, Circe, Eris, Medusa...ok so we have a clear mythology focused rogue's gallery but then you have Dr.Poison, Blue Snowman...ok so we got a bunch of evil scientists that have no relation with mythology then you have characters like Veronica Cale, Giganta or Dr.Psycho that don't fit in neither of the evil scientist or mythology category.
I think that what she needs most is a clear focus for her rogues and i would focus on mythology.
Yeah there are other characters in DC that deal with other mythologies (like Dr.Fate with the egyptian one) but WW is part of the Trinity, if someone in DC deserves a focus on all mythologies that has to be WW, give her Sobek and Seth from the Egyptian mythology, let her have missions on behalf of Odin or with Anansi, let her go against Tezcatlipoca or Tiamat and so on.
I was watching a yotuber's video on which superhero's and supervillains would be on Mount Rushmore, but instead of only doing an all time MR, he did one for each age of the big two (golden age-modern age). Wonder woman was only on the golden age MR, but through out the other ages she wasn't. Yes she still appeared greatly in DC, but felt almost like a side hero at times. The same thing can be said about with her rogues as they didn't appear on any MR. The only rogue that's arguably as well know as WW is Cheetah and that's mostly thanks to the superfriends cartoon. Heck Spiderman and the X-Men, who came out a 2 decades after WW, have more iconic villains than her, especially Spiderman.
So I agree with you in that WW's rogues need some refreshment. The recent issue of Tom king's WW gave a decent line up of who her rouges are, with Ares being the only one whose missing and Cheetah not wanting to be involved I think. But even then, there's only 4 you can be somewhat recognizable. Grail is still recent and Silver Swan, who despite being around longer, has only recently become more prominent.
@@devinhamb6586 well that's another problem of her: the runs.
Her Tom King's run is utter shit and pretty much anyone that comes on board bulldozes everything that came before.
I'm not american so i don't know if what i'm gonna say it's just due to the fact that i don't live there or something but it's really that difficult to find an american writer that knows his shit when it comes to mythologies? The only famous that came to my mind is Mike Mignola.
Silver Swan could be easily related to mythology since one of her various identities was (if i'm not mistaken) related to Leda (it's a long story about a girl named Leda that trasforms herself into a swan).
Cheetah too has many different identities that hold the title but i would just keep Minerva's classic origin BUT with her being the "avatar" (Doctor Fate style) of a cheetah related god from Africa (maybe some Yoruba deity)
That makes no sense. Both Batman and Superman have multiple villains that fit OUTSIDE of your stablished themes.
A good villain is just one that challenges the hero in interesting ways. THAT'S IT.
The "problem with her rogues gallery is that they don't have a lot of adaptations outside of comics. Think about it: MANY heroes have rogues gallery just as diverse and interesting as Batman and Spider-Man (Fastastic Four, Dr. Strange, Green Lantern, Flash, etc.), so are theirs the most popular ones? Simple: EXPOSURE OUTSIDE OF COMICS.
Basically, the problem with WW's rogues gallery isn't the rogues themselves, but DC's treatment of them.
@@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831 Batman and Superman most famous villains all share the common core i displayed.
And the other heroes you mentioned too have a core for their villains.
Spider-man villains are all people that through their work (Mysterio or Vulture) or by chance (Sandman or Electro) have obtained incredible powers BUT (differently from Spider-man) have decided to use them in the most selfish way possible.
The Fantastic Four villains are like Superman's: classic sci-fi villains from the secret underground society (Mole Man), to the conqueror from outer space (Galactus) or the mad scientist (Puppet Master).
Dr.Strange enemies instead are all classic magic menaces: the evil sorcerer (Baron Mordo), the evil tyrant from another dimension (Dormammu),a lovecraftian being (Shuma-Gorath) and so on for the others.
@@Timepilot94 i don't know about the brazilian retcon, cheetahs aren't exactly the typical brazilian animal that comes to mind while for Dr.Poison and Blue Snowman i don't know, the last time someone pissed off Demeter he got turned into a barn owl not a robotic snowman.
For the romance aspect i haven't read the original Marston's run but i always thought that if she has to be with someone that has to be Steve Trevor.
To be honest, having watched much of the 70s Wonder Woman show - no matter how iconic it is - the villains it used tended to be pretty poor. There were one or two exceptions, but much of Lynda Carter's rogues tended to be regular mob bosses/professional criminals or entitled rich dudes.
There were few villains in that show that were really compelling. Even the use of the Nazis as antagonists in that show felt quite cheesey and repetitive. I know it was quite a light hearted show, but still - a great heroine needs serious villains and monsters to challenge her.
The way Donna died is just disrespectful, wth.
Great video. Keep it up!
1:19 Man, even Graduation Day was more respectful! Sure, it was a huge disservice to her character, especially how the post mortem panel framed her body, but at least she went down fighting a rogue Superman robot!
Thank you for this vid.
Omg I found my tribe. Wonder Woman is absolutely too neglected for me.
OMG I CAN'T AT BEING MORE AGREE WITH YOU !...
I'M SORRY BUT DC COMIC AND WB DID WONDER WOMAN SOoooo DIRTY !
EITHER IN THE MOVIE OR VIDEO GAMES .
LIKE CAN THEY STOP SHIT ON HER LIKE THIS ? SHE'S LITERALLY THE BEST FEMAL SUPER HERO OF ALL TIME .
SHE DESERVED MORE RESPECT .
The Batman 2004 was a horribly missed opportunity to start a new shared animated universe. I would have made shows for Flash, Green Lantern, and of course Wonder Woman. I would have replaced hawk man and green arrow with Diana and Shiara to make the team more like the first show to draw fans in.
I think First Born would be an awesome villain in live action, it would also be great to see Devastation get more love. I think if done well, Devastation can be a lot of fun. The best way I can describe her is: "What if Brightburn had the personality of Chucky?"
Unfortunately, the writers only focus on the most superficial character traits of the characters, both Marvel and DC. This also happens to Spider-Man and Batman. In fact, it especially happens to Spider-Man and Batman since they are the characters from their respective comic book houses used the most outside of comics.
A Wonder Woman video game with a God of War gameplay would definitely be handsome, but an animated series seems to be the best ideas since it has the most possibilities to be seen by most people. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy fan fiction, both mine and others', treating the character with the respect she deserves.
Wonder Woman is the member of the Trinity most likely to kill someone. Superman is too nice and to willing to believe in others, and so never kills (except in some Elseworlds or badly written fiction). Batman also believes in giving others a second chance, while also believing that no one man should ever choose who lives or dies. She is a soldier and unwilling to give up in a fight. She is a very complex and interesting character who has not had a lot of good movie outings.
She might be more willing to kill but only in extreme circumstances. The New 52 gave her bad writing because before that she was a very compassionate character instead of just being a warrior
@@kingjj8115 indeed. Like I said, she is a very complex and interesting character who has not had a lot of good movie outings.
@trevynlane8094 She only has 2 live action movies. Only the first one was good.
The Superman/Wonder Woman relationship was great. It really doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
It does.
Wonder Woman, in Wrestling Terms, has been a jobber for years. They had to give Diana a cheap title shot, by giving her a Batman villain to beat, during Dark Knight Death Metal. I've always wanted Wonder Woman to shine, always wanted Diana to be great, but DC doesn't know how to treat their own characters. A manga or anime adaptation of Wonder Woman would be so much better.
I want more female superheros, batman and superman have many clones, but wonder woman have almost none.
I tried drawing a 2nd trinity with shazam and green arrow and the only character i could see replace wonder woman was maxima, which i actually want her to be seen more as maxima is actially a nice character that i want to see more action about her and not just her talking about her feeling's
Yeah zack snyder was the worse thing to happen to DC, he singlehandedly made me switch to Marvel then boom marvel starts fucking up…
Wonder woman has always just been there, an am sorry if this sounds mean but dc has lately been treating her as the women of the trinity and that statement puts it best, every new writer comes into wonder woman trying to make a statement and shake things up cuz they feel that since it's wonder woman then they must say something meaningful full, it's not like every superman writer has come in and had to say a Statement on immigrants cuz Clark is an alien, or not every batman writer has had the need to make a statement on class and wealth, an this is not to mean that they never do tackle those topics, they do but for wonder woman it's lately been nothing but either make some grandiose thing or just have her in the corner being there and no I don't think it's a men thing when there's plenty of women that Said how bad wonder woman gets it so idk monolith ya better cook cuz wonder woman needs it
Big issue with wonder Woman is that she dosen't have reoccurring villains outside of Cheetah and the greek gods, you need a long lasting cast in order to make a characters lore notable.
I agree but you know who deserves even more respect.. Starfire
I know it’s not related but I was wondering if you were gonna do a vid on the coie part 1 or if you were gonna wait until they’re all released 😅
I don't really care about the sidekicks, especially when on her own she's barely been done right.