Jax was a true man. He knew he fucked up and instead of telling lies on top of lies to get out of it (like his mother), he copped and took his medicine
His club needed to do it. So each club maintains its individuality, and each club pays for the mistakes of its members. If his own charter couldn't do it, they would question the integrity of the entire Redwood Original crew.
this was all part of jax's grand plan, kinda like Opie's was, a legal suicide of sorts.... but, loose ends needed to be tied up, and , according to the rules of SAMCRO, not only Jax killing a President, but President of the mother charter.... when clay killed Piney, Piney was First 9, and Mr. Mayhem was the punishment should the table vote it, and Mr. Mayhem wasnt getting off so easy as to have 1, 2 in the back of the head, but Mr. Mayhem means getting chained to a bike and dragged to your death....... and on a more personal note, i Wish their wouldve been more scenes with Packer here
It was this scene that proved that Jax did end up being a better man than Clay. He owned his transgressions when he stopped seeing red after Tara's death.
@@fjorgyn7438 yeah I feel you on that. But they had a confession from the Sgt. Indicating himself and the pres of Belfast. It was on tape so I dont think samcro would let that vote fly. And it has to be unanimous so...
yea he wanted to die but i think if he didn’t lie and used the defense of that brothers fight but never draw on each other it was kill or be killed how is that not self defense
yeah the moment he knew he had killed a lot of people unjustly, and that he realized what he had to do to Gemma, then thats when he was like "its time to die".
after Jury told him his father killed himself, he ended up doing the same thing. The Mayhem vote was a confirmation that he would die and that he had to clean up everything before he died.
@@SantomPh exactly the same way and reasoning why John killed himself if he really did, “ so his club can live on and his boys won’t live that life” but at the same time clay clearly did sabotage his bike and killed Lowell Sr to cover it up him n Gemma both admitted that so idrk….
I never understood why they didn’t use Lin to protect Jax. I would’ve have Juice ask Lin who betrayed them, then had Juice tell Lin to say “on camera” that it was Jury. Maybe because Jax wanted to die, easier for his sons to get out if he’s gone too
They really should have had more president meetings like this one in the show, helps with the narrative that even though they’re the founding charter they can still be out voted by all the other charters. In the show they always had the club go into other charters territories and basically take over for an episode or two, whole show should have been like this was or like how Mayans is with charters fighting at times
with sons of anarchy its more Samcro had the most influence as the mother charter, the first one and the one that had the most first 9 members, so they pretty much set the standard that all other charters went by. There were charters that did not always go that way as Samtaz chose to keep their meth trade even after Clay told them to shut it down, cause again it was their own charter and therefore their own call. Mayans was different cause Santo padre was not the most influential charter from the start (that was Oakland and more so because of Alvarez) and majority of the inner mayan conflict was cause Santo Padre tried to become like SAMCRO when Alvarez stepped down and then got kicked out.
For the longest time, until this episode actually, I thought they actually had someone designated as a "Mister Mayhem"- like a nomad that served as the club executioner. Granted.... before he joined SAMCRO, Happy seemed to fill that role, but still....
That would be a pretty cool idea tho. Wouldnt be accurate as far as MC culture, or a smart/effective way to get that job done.....but it would be cool.
There are smart n effective ways to do any crime. Thats how we get druglords, kingpins and serial killers. It only takes one mistake to get caught, so smart n effective is the *only* way to do crime without getting caught on your first crime.
The difference between Jax and Clay is that Clay would've framed Jury as a rat here and would've justified his behaviour. Jax had the balls to face the truth and accept the consequences of his action.
@@anthonycampos8057 Clay had 18 years reign as a President, not 30. Also different circumstances and situations. During Clay's time, their biggest problem was which Mayans to kill. Then because of his selfishness, greedy nature he ended up turning the Club into IRA and Romeo's wh*re,with so many enemies lurking around including Clay himself. And all that fell upon Jax's shoulder when he became the president. And he brought the club out from it.
@@anthonycampos8057 He became president in 1993 after JT died. Jax himself died in 2013. That is barely even 20 years,let alone 30😅 Check on google if there is still any suspicion.
Jax never faced anything. It was always clays fault or anybody else's. He was a whiney baby. He's the reason Tara s dead and Opie and Bobby. And nearly got tig killed
Mooky Blaylock I dunno about that... I think there’s a pretty clear difference between killing yourself to save your friends from having to do it (Jax had to die or SAMCRO would have been crushed by other charters for Jury’s murder) and suicide because you couldn’t handle stuff (like juice attempted, which is when we hear that line)
Well, I would have to go with your "every episode, Gemma finds a way to make things worse" line of thought, but she made things worse for those episode the previous season when she killed Tara. That's what led to this scene, right here. Honestly though, it's also unintentionally Wayne Unser's fault, too, Tara's death. He told Gemma he heard Tara was gonna out the club on a bunch of stuff which was, in the end, NOT the case, and that sent Gemma into a blind rage that led to her murdering Tara. In Unser's case, he didn't realize he had incorrect information, although he SHOULD have realized Gemma would LITERALLY do anything to protect the club, even murder her own daughter in law, the mother / stepmother of her grandsons, especially with the false info she was given that she thought was true. Still though, Gemma always finds a way to just fully mess things up.
@@gsteel98 yeah it was weird how they said that somehow made it “out and out murder” like it was either self-defense or not, lying after the fact to justify the original fight doesn’t change that
The whole "Jax kills Jury" element of this season was pretty wild. As the series went on, the machinations got wilder and wilder yet they kept on getting away with it (more or less), so in a way it's fitting that the ending sort of hinges on Jax impulsively wasting another President for seemingly no reason.
@@bekeneel with the way jax was I don't blame jury. The Jax that jury knew was long dead and was looking for any excuse to kill again. Jury defended himself and got shot in the face for it. Jax had a noble cause at first but then he got bloodthirsty and reckless. He turned into happy except happy faces that he was a murderer and accepted that he enjoyed it, he didn't make excuses for his evil.
@@scottritchey573 I get it, but still that situation where Jury pointed a gun on him after jax hit him it could be explained as self-defense. Same like when you point a gun at a cop aiming to shoot, the cop can shoot you in self-defense :)
@@bekeneel there are situations where self defense doesn't work anymore because you yourself created the situation where it was either kill or be killed.
@@bekeneelJax was literally trying to put the blame on Jury and kill him without a vote and Jax just said he’s a traitor with no real proof. Of course Jury tried to pull his gun Jax basically already said he was going to kill him without a vote. I mean Jax already fucking murdered his son didn’t he? Season 7 Jax can suck a dick. I’ll let you plebs worship him and excuse everything he did
*"Ridin' through this world...Alllll Alone. God takes your soul, you're on your own..."* *"The Crow flies straight, a perfect line....on the Devil's Bed..until you die.."*
Jax- I lied, I didnt see Jury kill purple it just seemed like he did,he was right there, I was convinced he was the imposter. Packer- Jesus Christ Jax you know what this means... "Jax was an Imposter 0 Imposters remain"
Sabrina Hutt you don’t pull a piece on a brother when he hits you lmao. Some bitch shit... a lot of members hit another member, the member hit back. They didn’t pull a piece to try and kill them so uh no, jury was wrong.
Sabrina Hutt You gotta be realistic, if someone woulda drew their weapon after you attacked them are you gonna really take the chance of "Maybe he won't shoot me." Lmao
I love how Jax got to pick how he died he did everybody dirty by killing wayne then fucking with the police and then riding out of charming then going out like a king
he went out on the same bike as hes father on the same road and on the same way and the most fucked up thing ever is its all thanks to gemma getting the ball roling wich ended up in both the JT's dying
What I thought is he really did not have to die in fact.. Like if he wanted to punish his mom, he couldv've best had her arrested, the other kills at the end he could've just give out to others. He could've taken his boys and went to Nero's farm for example after his club was pretty much in calm waters again.. If not I think the biggest reason for Jax wanting to kill himself would be the loss of TAra. But it was the plan from the star that it would end like this and Jax would die, it had to be Dramatic "like Shakespear".
I agree. Jax, and Jury had an argument. They, were both pissed, and hurting. Accusations. Jax punches Jury. Jury pulls out his gun. Jax, shoots him dead. To me, it was self defense. However, the show is long over, and we can't change anything about it. SOA. One of the very best television series, ever made
@@jslain How many times has Jax had a gun pulled on him and not been shot? 30? 40 perhaps? This is the one time he decided yeah fuck it im about to die?
"Jury went for his gun...he may have killed me, he may not have." How is that *_NOT_* self defense? I understand the whole "he might not have" deal, but again, when someone reaches for a gun during a fight, is that not a damn good reaskn to shoot them in self defense?? Just saying...
Forget the fact Jax murdered a fellow President; the only reason Jury was reaching for his weapon is a confrontation that Jax initiated and escalated. Jax couldn't even say for certain that Jury was even reaching for his gun (which by itself is highly specious), and that's if they decide to take the word of the killer about what his victim was doing. Lying about Jury confessing to a crime he never actually committed put the last nail in his coffin.
Because Jax was intentioned to kill him since he decided to meet him so even if jury didn't go for his gun he would kill him in someway and Jury was aware about that and about what Jax was become, you can't blame him about trying to save his life before Jax kill him.
Who is T1000? I thought you were referring to the terminator Edit: oooh shit nevermind I just looked it up who the actor is. That's crazy. He also played that psycho who kept Aaron and father gabe hostage in season 10 of walking dead. Dang this guy plays alot of different characters without being recognizable lol
Jax punched Jury and knocked him over and knocked Jury's gun away from him. This mean Jax is armed and Jury is not. Jax's piece was on his hip and easily within reach. The truth is that Jury had JUST as much right to grab the gun in defense as Jax did.
It wasn’t no damn self defense. Jax literally admitted he was going to kill Jury without a vote when Jury straight up said “so what now you’re going to shoot me without a vote” and all Jax can do is rant about Jury being a traitor and to not blame him. Jax was going to kill him without a vote the entire time 😂 Anything else would just be Jax lying about his intentions and he’s enough of a liar already. I’d have zero respect for Jax. This was stupid writing. He’d already lied about it. He lied about he loved Jury. He didn’t even try to find out the truth and he didn’t remotely plan to take a vote. Jax was fake as hell by the end 😂 His dad and Jury and Piney ghost were spitting on his dead body.
I think jury nee that Gemma had something to do with jax father death plus Jax cross a line he knew he couldn't come back from this story is like a Shakespeare story it has everything betrayal, violence,love and mistrust among it characters this show was brilliant.
I love how every President doesn’t want to do it, but meanwhile Gaines is like “screw him, he has to die.” Even with the Mayhem vote passing, you get the sense that relations between SAMCRO and Indian Hills are gonna be strained for years to come.
Their charters were strained to begin with since they forced the Patch Over in season one. Wish we had more Gaines in the show. The guy playing him is super talented.
Yeah, I have no doubt you're most likely right. I mean, the mother charter president killing another president in the same club, that honestly sounds like something that the collective presidents as a governing body, not the charter, would have to decide. Just my uneducated opinion though.
I think the biggest mistake SOA made in the finale was Gemma dying without knowing all the havoc she caused. If she would have known Jax was meeting mister Mayhem because he went on a murderous rampage after his mother killed his wife? That would have been the sweetest justice EVER. Knowing her killing Tara ultimately ended her sons life? The person she loved more than anything? Even if she lived with that knowledge for 2 mins before Jax put a bullet in the back of her head.
@@kikilu79 Except she didn’t love Jax. She didn’t love anyone, I doubt she even knows what that is. She was obsessed with her son which was unhealthy. A loving mother would never put his boy to a criminal world and constantly block his move whenever he wanted an out. And the knowledge wouldn’t have mattered anyway. She was alright with being an evil.
if jax and jury were in a scuffle, and jury went for a gun, how is it murder that jax shot him? furthermore, how is a killing like that a death penalty offense?
wilson blauheuer Because Jax didn't give him a chance to decide. he simply reached for his gun that fell off him, I think. secondly, Jax gave Jury a very hard punch after what he said about JT. Telling Jax something he didn't want to believe. That was what provoked it in the first place. But the meeting with Jury wasn't a meeting. That was a confrontation. Jax smelt blood. He wasn't interested in hearing Jury's side of the story. furthermore lets take a look at WHY this turned into a confrontation. Like maybe the fact that Jax had killed his son. FOR NO REASON. They just used them as the scapegoat for the Chinese ambush. And in spite of that, Jury wanting him dead, Jury did absolutely nothing.
no matter what else is going on- if a person draws a gun on another person. or attempts to draw a gun on another person, deadly force is legally authorized against the gun wielder. If you reach for a gun when in a physical conflict with someone, even if that gun fell from the sky, you can legally be subject to deadly force. No matter what happened in the surrounding circumstances, this situation is not a capital offense in any jurisdiction, although perhaps if one recognizes 'club rules' as a legitimate code of law, then it might be different.
I need episodes and when in those episodes ! , I'm getting old and cant remember everything. when did they vote for him too mr mayham and when did the presedents vote for him to meet mr mayham . I don't got time to watch it all over again, i'm sorry to say. Sorry for the bad english. love from Sweden
This show was so powerful, but it exposed some pretty nasty stuff in our society, today. The fact that SOOOOO many people make SOOOOO many excuses for Jax, Gemma & Clay. . .just b/c they like them on the show. . .& truly ignore the despicable acts that these committed -> it’s pretty rough🤦🏽♂️
I know and the hate Tara crew because she wanted to divorce and take her children from a serial killer. I would have ran as far away from that mad man too.
@@Taka-Kevz She should have went wherever the hell she wanted to go. Charming was her hometown too. Jax should be grateful Tara moved back home. She saved Abel because Jax married and started a family with a meth head. Then abandoned the meth head and the junky overdosed and almost killed poor Abel. You apparently didn’t get the gist of the finale. Jax admitted that Tara was right and his sons should not live this life. Remember I’m doing what I should have done while my wife was still alive. Stop SIMPING for gang banging thugs dude. It’s not a good look. Jackson killed himself and left his young sons with a junky and a gang banging pimp and? They’re still 100 thousand percent better off with Nero and Wendy than they would have been with Jax and Gemma. Not even remotely close to how much better off they would have been if Tara didn’t die and they were with her. If you had kids who would you rather have custody of them if you were dead? A junky whore and pimp, or an educated accomplished surgeon? Come on dude look at the bigger picture. Almost everyone would choose Tara over a junky and a former gang banger who sells men’s daughters bodies. Jax was no good for his sons that’s why he checked out and ran into a semi. He was a shitty father. I’m surprised the man remembered their names. 🤷🏼♀️. Soooo many people did not get the point of this show. Kurt Sutter made it abundantly clear that ‘THE LIFE’ was the antagonist. He’s literally screaming at you that this life is no good, especially for children.
It's the same with the Sopranos. All the Soprano characters with total piece of dog shit but because we "like them" the fans are always making excuses.
That's just it though, it exposed some pretty nasty stuff, but it wasn't the club commiting the worst acts. The clown assualting a child, children exploited for video, women tortured for video, corrupt government officials who killed people as setups, the list goes on. It's not like SAMCRO was going around committing violent acts for fun, despite them committing many despicable actions it wasn't evil intent.
Hm. Jury got punched in the face and was going to respond by shooting one of his own. I think Jax was justified in killing him. Jury was going to kill another charter president over a simple brawl. Jax defended himself when Jury raised his gun to him
But the whole reason they were their was to confront him for ratting them out witch he didnt do not did Jax have any proof of Jax should’ve called for a forum on this with the other presidents instead of killing without a vote Jax’s met up with jury with the intention of killing him
Not sure about the States, but in the UK, tri-monthly meetings usually take place in a region where several Chapters are. It’s a good line of communication and a lot of differences get settled there. This should’ve happened more in SOA.
I was wondering if you could upload the part where Jax tells the club that Gemma killed Tara and the Asian guy wasn’t even in the state during her murder, hope you can.
Yeah, except he then fakes an escape from his execution, which nobody outside of SamCrow knows was staged. His reputation outside of charming is no different than clays.
It's crazy to watch scenes like this after Mayans. After Elgin James took over, they popped their own every couple of scenes. A president killing a president didn't mean shit
I think it would have punished Jax more by stripping him of the cut and inking out his tattoos put him through the same humiliation that Clay did and send him into exile
I mean suicide is almost a cop out at this point. Wifes dead cus his mom, watched best friend get skull caved in, killed his own mother, killed innocent people he loved on his road to vengence, to live after all that would have been more of a punishment.
Rampage Clover he did it so he can meet mr mayhem, he knows when he's dead his kids would live the same life so he wanted his kids to grow up to hate him
@Sabrina Hutt Jax punched him he didn't shoot him on the spot had jury not reached for his gun and got up and fought jax then jury would still be alive
@Sabrina Hutt he never gave jury the chance to decide or whether or not to kill him or just point the gun at him regardless having another man being given the chance yo decide your life after he clearly bashed you for being what your father hated then I'd say jax wasn't in the wrong
In the DVD commentary, show creator Kurt Sutter explains that Jax is a closeted homosexual and that he struggles internally to hide it from the rest of SAMCRO. I didn’t really notice this the first time I watched the series, but noticed all the hints after rewatching.
@@babalarassrah Along with Walking Dead, Scorpion, True Blood, The Unit, Identity Thief, Bridge to Terabithia, Perry Mason, Spy Kids, Walk the Line, Stargate, Peacemaker, I could go on and on.
Makes no sense to me...sure he thought Jury snitched but Jax didn't pull his gun until Jury grabbed his which his VP CLEARLY saw....undeniably self defense same as the real life Kyle Rittenhouse situation... unless ppl are convinced Jax was just supposed to just let Jury kill him 🤦🏿♂️😂
Jax punched him..he never reached for his gun. Until Jury did... It was a fistfight, which Jury escalated to lethal. So therefore Jury got his self killed. He was just too slow. It was self defense, and the mayhem vote was unwarranted.
Tripleblade 82 that is actually a very good point. However...I believe that other charters can vote down calls. In season 6 when jax wanted samdino to handle the gun deal. They voted it down cuz there was just too much heat at the time. President pushed for it. Table said no.
Meaning they vote to willfully execute one of their own on charges that warrant it, such as a president killing another president of a sister charter of your MC.
I love how almost every charter president in that room didn’t want to kill Jax but did it because of the code they live by
its fum how this "outlaw life", that lives outside of the normal rules of society, has even more rules in itself
@@unitouchme that’s a point Tony makes in The Sopranos, too lol
im pretty sure jury's vp wanted him dead
Jax never wanted to kill Jury but he wasn’t going to let him get in the way for his revenge.
it is a tv show
jax just couldn't go against the T1000
ian favors you mean Agent John Doggett...
Jason Eves Davie, your doing a good job
hahahah funny man. 👍🏼
In case you forgot, T1000 could have turn himself into anyone he wanted to be.
ian favors lol
Jax was a true man. He knew he fucked up and instead of telling lies on top of lies to get out of it (like his mother), he copped and took his medicine
he didn't really take his medicine. The other presidents should have entrusted Jax meeting Mr. Mayhem to another club and not his loyal brothers
His club needed to do it. So each club maintains its individuality, and each club pays for the mistakes of its members. If his own charter couldn't do it, they would question the integrity of the entire Redwood Original crew.
this was all part of jax's grand plan, kinda like Opie's was, a legal suicide of sorts.... but, loose ends needed to be tied up, and , according to the rules of SAMCRO, not only Jax killing a President, but President of the mother charter.... when clay killed Piney, Piney was First 9, and Mr. Mayhem was the punishment should the table vote it, and Mr. Mayhem wasnt getting off so easy as to have 1, 2 in the back of the head, but Mr. Mayhem means getting chained to a bike and dragged to your death.......
and on a more personal note, i Wish their wouldve been more scenes with Packer here
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yall wouldnt understand with ur prancy lil lives
a "true man" wouldn't have senselessly killed one his friends like that in the first place
Guess you could say he faced trial by...jury
Fucking legend.
Puts on sunglasses....YEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!
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@@oelaty9116
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it's very hard these days, and rare for a leader to admit his mistakes and accept the consequences.
Not sure why you think there was ever a time this was different. Also it's hardly exclusive to leaders.
It's also tv
He just wanted to die. Dude was ready to go. If your mom killed your wife you’d want to go too haha
Unrealistic TV show
It’s T….V…..
Nothing is realistic
It was this scene that proved that Jax did end up being a better man than Clay. He owned his transgressions when he stopped seeing red after Tara's death.
That and he actually faced justice for what he did, unlike Clay who killed McGee in Belfast and nothing ever came of it.
@@fjorgyn7438 mcgee was doing the same thing clay was in a sense. So its more a matter of clay's hypocrisy in that case.
@@therealjoker6706 doesn't matter. A president killed a president and he didnt face the potential of a mayhem vote. That's bullshit, frankly.
@@fjorgyn7438 yeah I feel you on that. But they had a confession from the Sgt. Indicating himself and the pres of Belfast. It was on tape so I dont think samcro would let that vote fly. And it has to be unanimous so...
Slightly better man, far worse president
I remember when the President of the San Bernardino chapter was being a degenerate Gambler and owing money to Tony Soprano and Richie Aprile.
He also was made of liquid metal
How good an actor do you have to be to go from one of film’s most villainous bad guys in T2 to one of TV’s most cowardly losers?
I remember when the President of the Indian Hills chapter was a Dutch painter who cut his own ear off.
Chrissy was sleeping and he grab some rolls ziti
Their kids went to school together hahaha
As anyone ever thought maybe Jax didn't fully defend himself because he felt too much guilt and just wanted to kill himself of some sort
yea he wanted to die but i think if he didn’t lie and used the defense of that brothers fight but never draw on each other it was kill or be killed how is that not self defense
yeah the moment he knew he had killed a lot of people unjustly, and that he realized what he had to do to Gemma, then thats when he was like "its time to die".
after Jury told him his father killed himself, he ended up doing the same thing. The Mayhem vote was a confirmation that he would die and that he had to clean up everything before he died.
@@SantomPh exactly the same way and reasoning why John killed himself if he really did, “ so his club can live on and his boys won’t live that life” but at the same time clay clearly did sabotage his bike and killed Lowell Sr to cover it up him n Gemma both admitted that so idrk….
I never understood why they didn’t use Lin to protect Jax. I would’ve have Juice ask Lin who betrayed them, then had Juice tell Lin to say “on camera” that it was Jury. Maybe because Jax wanted to die, easier for his sons to get out if he’s gone too
Unser said jax is smart as he is dangerous. He knows what's up
They really should have had more president meetings like this one in the show, helps with the narrative that even though they’re the founding charter they can still be out voted by all the other charters. In the show they always had the club go into other charters territories and basically take over for an episode or two, whole show should have been like this was or like how Mayans is with charters fighting at times
Good point in retrospect but the narrative was first through the club and the family cycles and then everything else
They did they had to convince other charters to sell guns thru their territories
also mayans and the sons are built on 2 different philosophys
with sons of anarchy its more Samcro had the most influence as the mother charter, the first one and the one that had the most first 9 members, so they pretty much set the standard that all other charters went by. There were charters that did not always go that way as Samtaz chose to keep their meth trade even after Clay told them to shut it down, cause again it was their own charter and therefore their own call. Mayans was different cause Santo padre was not the most influential charter from the start (that was Oakland and more so because of Alvarez) and majority of the inner mayan conflict was cause Santo Padre tried to become like SAMCRO when Alvarez stepped down and then got kicked out.
He really should have gotten Allstate, Mayhem wouldn't have been a problem then.
For the longest time, until this episode actually, I thought they actually had someone designated as a "Mister Mayhem"- like a nomad that served as the club executioner. Granted.... before he joined SAMCRO, Happy seemed to fill that role, but still....
That would be a pretty cool idea tho. Wouldnt be accurate as far as MC culture, or a smart/effective way to get that job done.....but it would be cool.
@@kevp6488 Is there anything about MC culture that's smart and effective? They commit crimes while traveling on harleys clad in leather.
There are smart n effective ways to do any crime. Thats how we get druglords, kingpins and serial killers. It only takes one mistake to get caught, so smart n effective is the *only* way to do crime without getting caught on your first crime.
@@seangannon6005 Most motorcycle clubs aren't like that. They're not all criminals
@@user-jw8yh6yq1p sorry should've specified criminal motor cycle clubs
The difference between Jax and Clay is that Clay would've framed Jury as a rat here and would've justified his behaviour. Jax had the balls to face the truth and accept the consequences of his action.
But then again, guys like Clay last longer than guys like Jax. Remember, Clay had a 30 yr reign as President. Jax's reign was short as hell.
@@anthonycampos8057 Clay had 18 years reign as a President, not 30. Also different circumstances and situations. During Clay's time, their biggest problem was which Mayans to kill. Then because of his selfishness, greedy nature he ended up turning the Club into IRA and Romeo's wh*re,with so many enemies lurking around including Clay himself. And all that fell upon Jax's shoulder when he became the president. And he brought the club out from it.
@@mdrasedulhoque992 i thought they said 30.
@@anthonycampos8057 He became president in 1993 after JT died. Jax himself died in 2013. That is barely even 20 years,let alone 30😅
Check on google if there is still any suspicion.
Jax never faced anything. It was always clays fault or anybody else's. He was a whiney baby. He's the reason Tara s dead and Opie and Bobby. And nearly got tig killed
He went out like a man he told the truth
Mooky Blaylock I dunno about that... I think there’s a pretty clear difference between killing yourself to save your friends from having to do it (Jax had to die or SAMCRO would have been crushed by other charters for Jury’s murder) and suicide because you couldn’t handle stuff (like juice attempted, which is when we hear that line)
@@user-ns3vs3bp3e suicide is considered weak in that world Jax did not go out like a man
@@mr.tonywilliams1236 he got infront of a truck how is that not manly lol
@@gentgerxhaliu2413 why don't you go give it a try and comeback and tell us how manly you feel
Wrong. He committed suicide. At least he came Clean about everything maybe put his mind at peace.
1:16 to 1:20 couldn't hide his british accent
Idiot could never hide it
Yeap. The London’s accent came out strong.
Cedric Samuels he’s not from London though?
Cedric Samuels he’s a Geordie not a soft Southerner
His real accent sounds like a mix between English and American anyway.
is this the one where jax's mom interferes and makes things one thousand times worse? or was that every episode?
Knight192 pretty much, but yeah in this season, Gemma royally fucked up on this one.
Well, I would have to go with your "every episode, Gemma finds a way to make things worse" line of thought, but she made things worse for those episode the previous season when she killed Tara. That's what led to this scene, right here. Honestly though, it's also unintentionally Wayne Unser's fault, too, Tara's death. He told Gemma he heard Tara was gonna out the club on a bunch of stuff which was, in the end, NOT the case, and that sent Gemma into a blind rage that led to her murdering Tara. In Unser's case, he didn't realize he had incorrect information, although he SHOULD have realized Gemma would LITERALLY do anything to protect the club, even murder her own daughter in law, the mother / stepmother of her grandsons, especially with the false info she was given that she thought was true. Still though, Gemma always finds a way to just fully mess things up.
I feel like the fact that he lied about Jury being a rat condemned him more so then actually killing him.
Absolutely
That's the only reason it had to land. Jury reached first.
@@gsteel98 yeah it was weird how they said that somehow made it “out and out murder” like it was either self-defense or not, lying after the fact to justify the original fight doesn’t change that
The whole "Jax kills Jury" element of this season was pretty wild.
As the series went on, the machinations got wilder and wilder yet they kept on getting away with it (more or less), so in a way it's fitting that the ending sort of hinges on Jax impulsively wasting another President for seemingly no reason.
Except that other president pointed a gun on him and might have killed Jax there lol.
@@bekeneel with the way jax was I don't blame jury. The Jax that jury knew was long dead and was looking for any excuse to kill again. Jury defended himself and got shot in the face for it. Jax had a noble cause at first but then he got bloodthirsty and reckless. He turned into happy except happy faces that he was a murderer and accepted that he enjoyed it, he didn't make excuses for his evil.
@@scottritchey573 I get it, but still that situation where Jury pointed a gun on him after jax hit him it could be explained as self-defense. Same like when you point a gun at a cop aiming to shoot, the cop can shoot you in self-defense :)
@@bekeneel there are situations where self defense doesn't work anymore because you yourself created the situation where it was either kill or be killed.
@@bekeneelJax was literally trying to put the blame on Jury and kill him without a vote and Jax just said he’s a traitor with no real proof. Of course Jury tried to pull his gun Jax basically already said he was going to kill him without a vote. I mean Jax already fucking murdered his son didn’t he?
Season 7 Jax can suck a dick. I’ll let you plebs worship him and excuse everything he did
*"Ridin' through this world...Alllll Alone. God takes your soul, you're on your own..."*
*"The Crow flies straight, a perfect line....on the Devil's Bed..until you die.."*
The chills this is real
“Gotta look this life...in the eye..”
"Do new new new new do new new newwwwww"
Pretty sure it's Devils Path. Unless my subtitles are for some reason wrong.
On the devil's behhhddd
Jax- I lied, I didnt see Jury kill purple it just seemed like he did,he was right there, I was convinced he was the imposter.
Packer- Jesus Christ Jax you know what this means...
"Jax was an Imposter 0 Imposters remain"
Bruh
This pissed me off. Because the simple fact was it was only a fight until Jury pulled his piece.
Sabrina Hutt you don’t pull a piece on a brother when he hits you lmao. Some bitch shit... a lot of members hit another member, the member hit back. They didn’t pull a piece to try and kill them so uh no, jury was wrong.
Ten two facts jury a pussy didn’t want to throw hands
Conservative Copwatch his gun fell out
Gun fellllll out it was Jax plan
Sabrina Hutt You gotta be realistic, if someone woulda drew their weapon after you attacked them are you gonna really take the chance of "Maybe he won't shoot me." Lmao
When A King Falls
with honor and dignity
terrell petty did you watch the show?
I love how Jax got to pick how he died he did everybody dirty by killing wayne then fucking with the police and then riding out of charming then going out like a king
Frankie Nunez jax was a bitch in my opinion
he went out on the same bike as hes father on the same road and on the same way and the most fucked up thing ever is its all thanks to gemma getting the ball roling wich ended up in both the JT's dying
He didn't DO them DIRTY
@@gerritdeslak5988 true. Gem was the worst passive chaotic character
What I thought is he really did not have to die in fact.. Like if he wanted to punish his mom, he couldv've best had her arrested, the other kills at the end he could've just give out to others. He could've taken his boys and went to Nero's farm for example after his club was pretty much in calm waters again.. If not I think the biggest reason for Jax wanting to kill himself would be the loss of TAra. But it was the plan from the star that it would end like this and Jax would die, it had to be Dramatic "like Shakespear".
Damn, Davey Scatino really hit rock bottom after he left New Jersey and went to Las Vegas.
Is he packer? IM FIXING the FUCKING LIGHT BULB it’s Glare 😂- Davey your doing a good job
Didn't know Goldberg was in the SOA
White boi 98 that guy is Kevin Gage. He's in quite a few good films like Heat, and even did some voice acting as Roarke in Call of Duty Ghosts.
That's not Goldberg
mary turner I wish it was
its not goldberg dude
These people here... Thanks captains of the ss obvious as fuck.
Great scene, great changing moment in the show! Peace!
Jax lied about Gerry confession, but Gerry 100% went for his gun and drew down on Jax
His name was Jury but yeah.
I agree. Jax, and Jury had an argument. They, were both pissed, and hurting. Accusations. Jax punches Jury. Jury pulls out his gun. Jax, shoots him dead. To me, it was self defense. However, the show is long over, and we can't change anything about it. SOA. One of the very best television series, ever made
@@jslain Jax struck first Jury was the one acting in self defense. Fuck jax
@@jslain How many times has Jax had a gun pulled on him and not been shot? 30? 40 perhaps? This is the one time he decided yeah fuck it im about to die?
@@randomrussianguy603 he got shot by a mayan in the first episode but he coincidentally had a vest on 😂 plot armor.
jax fucked up
You can’t tell the packer was the saddest when they said that Mayham
Hand to land
"Jury went for his gun...he may have killed me, he may not have."
How is that *_NOT_* self defense? I understand the whole "he might not have" deal, but again, when someone reaches for a gun during a fight, is that not a damn good reaskn to shoot them in self defense?? Just saying...
Forget the fact Jax murdered a fellow President; the only reason Jury was reaching for his weapon is a confrontation that Jax initiated and escalated. Jax couldn't even say for certain that Jury was even reaching for his gun (which by itself is highly specious), and that's if they decide to take the word of the killer about what his victim was doing. Lying about Jury confessing to a crime he never actually committed put the last nail in his coffin.
@@ranialjondi924 I mean Jury died with the gun in his hand, people were standing there watching.
Because Jax was intentioned to kill him since he decided to meet him so even if jury didn't go for his gun he would kill him in someway and Jury was aware about that and about what Jax was become, you can't blame him about trying to save his life before Jax kill him.
fun fact, t1000 is actually a president in a california chapter of the booze fighters. he's an actual biker
Zach Zee a real biker president? Like the hells angels mc real??
@@Mandalorian_Goblinslayer except their not one percenters
Who is T1000? I thought you were referring to the terminator
Edit: oooh shit nevermind I just looked it up who the actor is. That's crazy. He also played that psycho who kept Aaron and father gabe hostage in season 10 of walking dead. Dang this guy plays alot of different characters without being recognizable lol
Then he gambled his money away to tony soprano and now tony has a bike club
Robert Patrick.
He was still wrong it was his own mother that lied
Even though Jax was wrong in his info doesn't mean outright murder. It still was self defense! Jury reached to shoot and Jax was faster.
Jax punched Jury and knocked him over and knocked Jury's gun away from him. This mean Jax is armed and Jury is not. Jax's piece was on his hip and easily within reach. The truth is that Jury had JUST as much right to grab the gun in defense as Jax did.
It wasn’t no damn self defense. Jax literally admitted he was going to kill Jury without a vote when Jury straight up said “so what now you’re going to shoot me without a vote” and all Jax can do is rant about Jury being a traitor and to not blame him. Jax was going to kill him without a vote the entire time 😂
Anything else would just be Jax lying about his intentions and he’s enough of a liar already. I’d have zero respect for Jax. This was stupid writing. He’d already lied about it. He lied about he loved Jury. He didn’t even try to find out the truth and he didn’t remotely plan to take a vote. Jax was fake as hell by the end 😂
His dad and Jury and Piney ghost were spitting on his dead body.
When your only Ally is death.. Then you shall know peace.
Through death, Jax found salvation
“Mayhem has to land”
😱😱😱😭😭😭💔💔💔
Meyham needs to land
EL Donjuan Jax: I know.
You can tell from Packers face he didn't want the Mayhem
Have you seen his crazy brother on Mayans MC?
@@anthonycampos8057 Yep a total drug retard.
@@adityajejurkar He burned a guy alive
@@anthonycampos8057 Yeah I know
Actor struggling with his English accent!
Lol yep
His accent really came out during the last season
Now they sayin that he's trying to "retain" it.
Australian don’t you mean he sounds Australian in everything he’s acted in boi can’t do any other accent lmao
@@mickeymouse3933 well no he sounds a bit English because he's English I think he was born in Newcastle he certainly isn't an Australian
Judgement day for Jax. With T-1000.
This is comment is pretty damn underrated
1:10 am I the only person who hears Jax break character with his english accent at least once per episode? lol
I think jury nee that Gemma had something to do with jax father death plus Jax cross a line he knew he couldn't come back from this story is like a Shakespeare story it has everything betrayal, violence,love and mistrust among it characters this show was brilliant.
Wasn't this show and also The Shieldbased on Shakespeare plays?
Sons of Anarchy was supposedly based off of Hamlet.
It's hard to claim self defense when Jax was the one who threw the first punch, also, against a much older man.
After Jury literally asked ''are you going to kill me too jax?''
Who gives a fuck its a tv show
@@kameronabbasi1203 Yeah imagine discussing a TV show man
Yes. Except a bullet is much more Dangerous than a punch and Jury wanted him dead
He did but still if we’re fighting and you reach for a gun One can only assume you’re about to shoot
I love how every President doesn’t want to do it, but meanwhile Gaines is like “screw him, he has to die.”
Even with the Mayhem vote passing, you get the sense that relations between SAMCRO and Indian Hills are gonna be strained for years to come.
Their charters were strained to begin with since they forced the Patch Over in season one. Wish we had more Gaines in the show. The guy playing him is super talented.
I hear his beautiful accent
IRL he would have never been able to walk out of that room again
Yeah, I have no doubt you're most likely right. I mean, the mother charter president killing another president in the same club, that honestly sounds like something that the collective presidents as a governing body, not the charter, would have to decide. Just my uneducated opinion though.
Gemma royally messed up Jax and SAMCRO, not to mention her actions got people killed.
I think the biggest mistake SOA made in the finale was Gemma dying without knowing all the havoc she caused. If she would have known Jax was meeting mister Mayhem because he went on a murderous rampage after his mother killed his wife? That would have been the sweetest justice EVER. Knowing her killing Tara ultimately ended her sons life? The person she loved more than anything? Even if she lived with that knowledge for 2 mins before Jax put a bullet in the back of her head.
@@kikilu79 Except she didn’t love Jax. She didn’t love anyone, I doubt she even knows what that is. She was obsessed with her son which was unhealthy. A loving mother would never put his boy to a criminal world and constantly block his move whenever he wanted an out.
And the knowledge wouldn’t have mattered anyway. She was alright with being an evil.
@@mdrasedulhoque992 Agree 100%. Her obsession ruined Jax’s life. Thankfully Abel and Thomas were saved from get claws.
@@mdrasedulhoque992 your all stupid, it was her love that made her crazy
if jax and jury were in a scuffle, and jury went for a gun, how is it murder that jax shot him? furthermore, how is a killing like that a death penalty offense?
wilson blauheuer Because Jax didn't give him a chance to decide. he simply reached for his gun that fell off him, I think.
secondly, Jax gave Jury a very hard punch after what he said about JT. Telling Jax something he didn't want to believe. That was what provoked it in the first place.
But the meeting with Jury wasn't a meeting. That was a confrontation. Jax smelt blood. He wasn't interested in hearing Jury's side of the story.
furthermore lets take a look at WHY this turned into a confrontation. Like maybe the fact that Jax had killed his son. FOR NO REASON. They just used them as the scapegoat for the Chinese ambush.
And in spite of that, Jury wanting him dead, Jury did absolutely nothing.
At the time jax didn't know that was jury son because jury never said anything he was supposed to use people outside of the sons but he didn't.
no matter what else is going on- if a person draws a gun on another person. or attempts to draw a gun on another person, deadly force is legally authorized against the gun wielder. If you reach for a gun when in a physical conflict with someone, even if that gun fell from the sky, you can legally be subject to deadly force. No matter what happened in the surrounding circumstances, this situation is not a capital offense in any jurisdiction, although perhaps if one recognizes 'club rules' as a legitimate code of law, then it might be different.
@@wilsonblauheuer6544 lol way to ruin it..
They couldn't prove that Jury did pull out his gun, all they knew at this point was that Jax lied about Jury.
You can hear Charlie’s British accent in this scene.
You can hear his accent in damn near every scene
Samcro has some tough presidents.....The T100, Marcus Corvinus, and Waingro
Jax told The Truth & Fell on His Sword!
🙅😈👊
All of this was because of Gemma
I need episodes and when in those episodes ! , I'm getting old and cant remember everything. when did they vote for him too mr mayham and when did the presedents vote for him to meet mr mayham . I don't got time to watch it all over again, i'm sorry to say. Sorry for the bad english. love from Sweden
WOW NICE TO SEE DAVE SCATINO LEAVE JERSEY AND MADE SOMETHING OF HIMSELF
Bout time he got out of his fuckin hole.
Nice to see that Waingro is still getting it on.
One thing I appreciated about Jax was he was no punk at all ...I loved that about him there was no bitch in that guy
Hetch is Kevin Gage (Waingro in the movie HEAT)
I love how Packer also appears in Mayans.
This show was so powerful, but it exposed some pretty nasty stuff in our society, today. The fact that SOOOOO many people make SOOOOO many excuses for Jax, Gemma & Clay. . .just b/c they like them on the show. . .& truly ignore the despicable acts that these committed -> it’s pretty rough🤦🏽♂️
I know and the hate Tara crew because she wanted to divorce and take her children from a serial killer. I would have ran as far away from that mad man too.
@@kikilu79 she should have moved somewhere else instead of running back to charming in the first place.
@@Taka-Kevz She should have went wherever the hell she wanted to go. Charming was her hometown too. Jax should be grateful Tara moved back home. She saved Abel because Jax married and started a family with a meth head. Then abandoned the meth head and the junky overdosed and almost killed poor Abel. You apparently didn’t get the gist of the finale. Jax admitted that Tara was right and his sons should not live this life. Remember I’m doing what I should have done while my wife was still alive. Stop SIMPING for gang banging thugs dude. It’s not a good look. Jackson killed himself and left his young sons with a junky and a gang banging pimp and? They’re still 100 thousand percent better off with Nero and Wendy than they would have been with Jax and Gemma. Not even remotely close to how much better off they would have been if Tara didn’t die and they were with her. If you had kids who would you rather have custody of them if you were dead? A junky whore and pimp, or an educated accomplished surgeon? Come on dude look at the bigger picture. Almost everyone would choose Tara over a junky and a former gang banger who sells men’s daughters bodies. Jax was no good for his sons that’s why he checked out and ran into a semi. He was a shitty father. I’m surprised the man remembered their names. 🤷🏼♀️. Soooo many people did not get the point of this show. Kurt Sutter made it abundantly clear that ‘THE LIFE’ was the antagonist. He’s literally screaming at you that this life is no good, especially for children.
It's the same with the Sopranos. All the Soprano characters with total piece of dog shit but because we "like them" the fans are always making excuses.
That's just it though, it exposed some pretty nasty stuff, but it wasn't the club commiting the worst acts. The clown assualting a child, children exploited for video, women tortured for video, corrupt government officials who killed people as setups, the list goes on. It's not like SAMCRO was going around committing violent acts for fun, despite them committing many despicable actions it wasn't evil intent.
You know everything will fall apart when T-9000 says "Jesus"
"Have you seen this boy?"
Packer is a good man, great prez… his baby brother….
That man is MR Mayhem
Hm. Jury got punched in the face and was going to respond by shooting one of his own. I think Jax was justified in killing him. Jury was going to kill another charter president over a simple brawl. Jax defended himself when Jury raised his gun to him
But the whole reason they were their was to confront him for ratting them out witch he didnt do not did Jax have any proof of Jax should’ve called for a forum on this with the other presidents instead of killing without a vote Jax’s met up with jury with the intention of killing him
I struggle with the concept of Les Packer and Davey Scatino being the same person.
Robert Patrick is a national treasure
He's great in everything he does. T2, Sopranos, Walk the Line, The Unit, SOA/Mayans and so much more.
Not sure about the States, but in the UK, tri-monthly meetings usually take place in a region where several Chapters are. It’s a good line of communication and a lot of differences get settled there.
This should’ve happened more in SOA.
2:17 BRUCKER! The fuck you want?!
TheDoctaJS 500
Greg Hunt Jr. "500 what, douchebag?"
Is that the the man who played the T1000 in Terminator 2?
Markus from underworld
never knew he was the President of the Indian Hills chapter
I was wondering if you could upload the part where Jax tells the club that Gemma killed Tara and the Asian guy wasn’t even in the state during her murder, hope you can.
glad these little scenes are ad free lol
Waingro out of all people should know that you gotta get it on when a guy is making a move smh
He just reverted back to his British accent at 1:14!
"When I'm on the road..... I'm indestructible."
Dave Scatino and Waingro chapter presidents.
I’m happy Mayhem landed on him
Me Too
They probably earned eternal respect for Jax for admitting the truth then telling them to vote the right for him to meet Mr. Mayhem
Yeah, except he then fakes an escape from his execution, which nobody outside of SamCrow knows was staged. His reputation outside of charming is no different than clays.
What is the rule he asked to be abolished?
Let African Americans in SOA
It's crazy to watch scenes like this after Mayans. After Elgin James took over, they popped their own every couple of scenes. A president killing a president didn't mean shit
So this is what Dave Scatino Did after Moving out West.
After loosing at Tonys card game. This guy turned his life around and joined a biker club. Glad he doesnt gamble anymore
Of course HIS FATHER created this , but code is code I grew up heavily around the hells angels , love this show
Even you realize that Robert Patrick is part of a motorcycle club IRL.
I think it would have punished Jax more by stripping him of the cut and inking out his tattoos put him through the same humiliation that Clay did and send him into exile
Should have kept Tony Curran has his native Scotsman. Dialogue between him and Chibs would have been interesting.
I mean suicide is almost a cop out at this point. Wifes dead cus his mom, watched best friend get skull caved in, killed his own mother, killed innocent people he loved on his road to vengence, to live after all that would have been more of a punishment.
"What you're saying here...is outright murder, brother" How? It was literally self-defense
I lost respect for Jax when he killed Jury...dude has no self-control. What would stop him from doing that to China, Tig or Happy?
Rampage Clover he did it so he can meet mr mayhem, he knows when he's dead his kids would live the same life so he wanted his kids to grow up to hate him
China?
@Sabrina Hutt Jax punched him he didn't shoot him on the spot had jury not reached for his gun and got up and fought jax then jury would still be alive
he does it all the time... he delivered tig to pope? or was it august?
@Sabrina Hutt he never gave jury the chance to decide or whether or not to kill him or just point the gun at him regardless having another man being given the chance yo decide your life after he clearly bashed you for being what your father hated then I'd say jax wasn't in the wrong
In the DVD commentary, show creator Kurt Sutter explains that Jax is a closeted homosexual and that he struggles internally to hide it from the rest of SAMCRO. I didn’t really notice this the first time I watched the series, but noticed all the hints after rewatching.
You know the thing of it is jury did reach for his gun after jax hit him he should have got up and tried to whoop jax's @$$ but he went for a pistol
That's straight gangster you know you messed up and you fess up and pay the price,it sets an example for those coming beneath you.
0:08 The T-1000 Terminator has become a biker now
he was an fbi agent also before ^^
@@babalarassrah He's done FAR more than that. You should check his filmography.
@@peterlenham3180 terminator and x files are his famous works
@@babalarassrah Along with Walking Dead, Scorpion, True Blood, The Unit, Identity Thief, Bridge to Terabithia, Perry Mason, Spy Kids, Walk the Line, Stargate, Peacemaker, I could go on and on.
@@peterlenham3180 yeah but he make small appearances
Makes no sense to me...sure he thought Jury snitched but Jax didn't pull his gun until Jury grabbed his which his VP CLEARLY saw....undeniably self defense same as the real life Kyle Rittenhouse situation... unless ppl are convinced Jax was just supposed to just let Jury kill him 🤦🏿♂️😂
Except Jury was put in that situation, which Jury damn knew well would result in his death.
@@Orcawhale1 thank God someone get the point! Jury was aware about the fact Jax want to kill him.
I kept waiting for Robert Patrick to say " BUT JAX, OUR KIDS GO TO THE SAME HIGH SCHOOL"!! 😂
After what happened to ez in mayans they had no love for ez compared to sons did fo Jax
Jax punched him..he never reached for his gun. Until Jury did...
It was a fistfight, which Jury escalated to lethal. So therefore Jury got his self killed. He was just too slow. It was self defense, and the mayhem vote was unwarranted.
Which one was the national president?
jax. The president of the mother charter mc is basically the national president
@@greenmatrix30seven I figured that, they just all seemed to be equal.
No that’s quite alright. Honest question
Tripleblade 82 that is actually a very good point. However...I believe that other charters can vote down calls. In season 6 when jax wanted samdino to handle the gun deal. They voted it down cuz there was just too much heat at the time. President pushed for it. Table said no.
That one president was in blow with johnny depp..but he had long hair..he was in the movie near the end
Jury went for his gun. I don't think he intended to throw it at Jax.
The guy from "The shield" ended up killing him by accident with his truck and after that he decided to be a cop.
So a mayhem vote meaning what exactly?
Meaning they vote to willfully execute one of their own on charges that warrant it, such as a president killing another president of a sister charter of your MC.
You punch a guy and he pulls a gun on you...I mean what was Jax supposed to do? Hope he doesn't pull the trigger?