😢God…AGAIN The time and effort you devoted to making these videos together with the respect you showed for Fanny and Keats deserves the world….I’m a Keats fan myself, and by far had read his poems and letters, (loved them) watched ‘Bright Star’2009, a few Documentaries, and am halfway through both ‘John Keats and The Culture of Dissent’ by Nicholas Roe and the 1979 biography ‘John Keats’ by Walter Jackson Bate. I hope this doesn't appear too abrupt or rude, but as someone who holds a massive interest in Keats, I was wondering if you’d have any advice on where to start/proceed on Keats? (aka Keats-related advice for Someone who loved reading for years but never had any specialized courses) Any advice would be great! Such as books or essays about Keats you suggest reading first, or what should starters be aware of while studying Keats as a person? (should I pursue a degree in English literature if I want to study him? ) Sorry for being so wordy but here’s just a little more info: I studied at an international school in China, graduated this year, and am soon starting my first year of college as an art student. After I became acquainted with Keats’s works, poetry, and life (and became a die-hard fan?) I realized that the Chinese-Mandarin-speaking community’s knowledge of Keats(or all the romantic poets in general) is rather….limited.This is quite reasonable since, although there is the 2009 movie Bright Star, materials were still scarce, especially translated ones. (Also Keats’s works are not a part of the Chinese culture so people could care less, I guess.) There is now 1 translated Biography, some great translations of Keats’s major works (but not all of them), no fully translated volume of Keats’s letters, and research/academic/biographical works such as ones written by Andrew Motion and Nicholas Roe (together with many other articles and essays) were never translated nor a topic of discussion. There are, still great works related to Keats published in the community such as works written by Mr. Yuguangzhong and the selection of poems translated by Mr. Tuan. Nevertheless, Mandarin resources were scarce and in many ways outdated( on average published 30 to 40 years ago), and never really touch upon topics such as how politics, religion, or life affected/shaped Keats’s poetry. Thus (as arrogant and self-absorbed as this may sound) I really do wish to Contribute more to the community to help people learn more about Keats, his poetry, his story, and of course him as a person. So yes, as someone who is NOT currently studying English literature, I wonder if there’s any possible advice you would give (as a Keats expert who had a Ph.D. on Keats)to any literature/history/Keats lover out there who hopes to get a little closer to a goal like this? (I am, currently creating and posting Keats-related art(illustrations) on a Chinese social media website called LOFTER! ) My apologies again for being so wordy and abrupt. You don’t have to answer my questions if they’re too much trouble, I just really enjoyed your videos and respect the passion you have for your field of interest! hope you have a wonderful day!
Wow thank you so much for such a thoughtful comment! I'm more than happy to recommend some good places to start in terms of studying Keats - I'll have a good think about this and get back to you with some ideas. Really delighted you enjoyed the video and hope you're doing well! Will be in touch soon 😊 - Rosie
New subscriber here! What’s the name of the book you show when talking about the vindication of Fanny? I don’t seem to distinguish that one from the rest of the books in your bibliography on the description. Your videos are a delight, keep it up! 😽
Thank you, really pleased you like our videos! 😊 I think the book you mean is 'Letters of Fanny Brawne to Fanny Keats, 1820-1824'. Hope this helps! - Rosie
This is a wonderful video essay in whole fists full of ways. I have a slightly different view about some of her summary comments at the close. I feel she is mistaken in several of her thoughts, but in the best of ways. She is overly kind to an awful lot of awfully awful people. Fanny Brawne is not like a whale. Once demonized because not known. And this only changed when some of her letters were published. Fanny Brawne was demonized for many of the reasons that her letters weren't published for so long, that Anne Radcliffe was so forgotten, that even this past century people have been twisting themselves into knots trying to figure out ways to claim The Taming of the Shrew isn't the fraternal twin to The Jew of Malta, and that Freud shelved his work with his female patients in which they revealed their sexual abuse by their fathers & twisted himself into a knot called The Family Romance to figure a way to keep being paid. European, well let's say Western Society, has been wildly sexist and misogynist since forever. (I'm not saying other cultures aren't, I'm just not touching on them. Not here. So much misogyny, so little time.) There began to be slight shifts in these prevailing views, most notably in the latter half of the 20th Century. Slight. Trump became MORE popular with his "base" when he was found to have, legally, raped a woman. In the US, people arrested with self use amounts of meth get longer prison sentences than men who murder their wives. Slight. The - almost exclusively male - views of Fanny Brawne were really views on women generally,. They didn't illuminate anything about Ms Brawne, but threw a lot of light on the likes and dislikes, the fears and prejudices of the men in question, and the wider society,. She was, as usual, either too prim or too slutty. Christ but that's a sad old and boring song. If we're making comparisons to the thoughts humans have about animals, I wouldn't select whales, but wild horses. ..... When the social dynamics of wild horses were being studied - totally exclusively by men - ALL "observation and research" "Proved", that there was one male alpha horse. He had a harem of females, and these females mated with him exclusively as he had proved his better quality sperm by beating up all other males. In the 1960s women began studying these same groups of wild horses in the US. Observation and research began "proving" something entirely different. Those female horses spent an awful lot of time nipping behind dunes and shagging any other male horse who was clever enough to get himself to the right dune at the right time and who had not proved himself to be really annoying and off puttingly aggressive and unpleasant - proved his better quality sperm or just proved to be better company. The views on Brawne just shifted as views on women began shifting. And horses. But, hey! There's a definite upside to all the bad stupid old books about Keats, and Brawne, and writers, and artists generally. There is so much revision to be done, it'll keep humanities graduates in dissertation work for a long long time...and they can teach while they're doing it, and a lot of them are women, as are their students. Of course since women began to study humanities, all those subjects which used to be the height of civilization have been downgraded and seen as wastes of time and money, "girlie subjects". Like I said: Slight.
Poor Fanny. Once again a woman gets blamed for a man just... having a lot of feelings.
Truth - Rosie
The occasional casual earnest swearing makes this whole thing 10x better. Keats wrote a lot of creepy shit.
He did! He wrote some nice stuff, too, but yee lots of creepin’ during that last year
I would have benefitted greatly to a literature professor like her. I hang on every words.
Dr. Rosie : ...including her brother, also called Samuel - it was a very widespread disease at this time.
My sleepy brain : Being called Samuel?
You are such a magnetic storyteller. Thank you for your amazing videos!
Thanks so much, that’s really kind ❤️ - Rosie
😢God…AGAIN The time and effort you devoted to making these videos together with the respect you showed for Fanny and Keats deserves the world….I’m a Keats fan myself, and by far had read his poems and letters, (loved them) watched ‘Bright Star’2009, a few Documentaries, and am halfway through both ‘John Keats and The Culture of Dissent’ by Nicholas Roe and the 1979 biography ‘John Keats’ by Walter Jackson Bate. I hope this doesn't appear too abrupt or rude, but as someone who holds a massive interest in Keats, I was wondering if you’d have any advice on where to start/proceed on Keats? (aka Keats-related advice for Someone who loved reading for years but never had any specialized courses) Any advice would be great! Such as books or essays about Keats you suggest reading first, or what should starters be aware of while studying Keats as a person? (should I pursue a degree in English literature if I want to study him? ) Sorry for being so wordy but here’s just a little more info: I studied at an international school in China, graduated this year, and am soon starting my first year of college as an art student. After I became acquainted with Keats’s works, poetry, and life (and became a die-hard fan?) I realized that the Chinese-Mandarin-speaking community’s knowledge of Keats(or all the romantic poets in general) is rather….limited.This is quite reasonable since, although there is the 2009 movie Bright Star, materials were still scarce, especially translated ones. (Also Keats’s works are not a part of the Chinese culture so people could care less, I guess.) There is now 1 translated Biography, some great translations of Keats’s major works (but not all of them), no fully translated volume of Keats’s letters, and research/academic/biographical works such as ones written by Andrew Motion and Nicholas Roe (together with many other articles and essays) were never translated nor a topic of discussion.
There are, still great works related to Keats published in the community such as works written by Mr. Yuguangzhong and the selection of poems translated by Mr. Tuan. Nevertheless, Mandarin resources were scarce and in many ways outdated( on average published 30 to 40 years ago), and never really touch upon topics such as how politics, religion, or life affected/shaped Keats’s poetry.
Thus (as arrogant and self-absorbed as this may sound) I really do wish to Contribute more to the community to help people learn more about Keats, his poetry, his story, and of course him as a person. So yes, as someone who is NOT currently studying English literature, I wonder if there’s any possible advice you would give (as a Keats expert who had a Ph.D. on Keats)to any literature/history/Keats lover out there who hopes to get a little closer to a goal like this? (I am, currently creating and posting Keats-related art(illustrations) on a Chinese social media website called LOFTER! )
My apologies again for being so wordy and abrupt. You don’t have to answer my questions if they’re too much trouble, I just really enjoyed your videos and respect the passion you have for your field of interest! hope you have a wonderful day!
Wow thank you so much for such a thoughtful comment! I'm more than happy to recommend some good places to start in terms of studying Keats - I'll have a good think about this and get back to you with some ideas. Really delighted you enjoyed the video and hope you're doing well! Will be in touch soon 😊 - Rosie
@@books_ncats thank you so much Rosie 😊😊😊!
Love the music you use everytime (beside the fact that I thoroughly enjoy your in-depth videos overall)
Oh god I need to make sure I don't go full-Keats in the next 2 months
Yeah, I’d recommend not doing so! Unless what you mean is you want to write some excellent poetry - Rosie
Your videos are fantastic. I learn so much plus I enjoy myself.
Thank you!! ☺️ - Rosie
I don't know how historically accurate the film Bright Star was, but I feel like it portrayed the relationship between Keats and Brawne pretty well
Very interesting.
Long suffering Fanny..
Indeed, poor Fanny!
Interesting information . Will look into it. Thank you .
Lol I had a cat called Miekemuisje ( MaryMouse) once ❤️
New subscriber here! What’s the name of the book you show when talking about the vindication of Fanny? I don’t seem to distinguish that one from the rest of the books in your bibliography on the description.
Your videos are a delight, keep it up! 😽
Thank you, really pleased you like our videos! 😊 I think the book you mean is 'Letters of Fanny Brawne to Fanny Keats, 1820-1824'. Hope this helps! - Rosie
@@books_ncats That’s the one! Thank you :)
This is a wonderful video essay in whole fists full of ways.
I have a slightly different view about some of her summary comments at the close.
I feel she is mistaken in several of her thoughts, but in the best of ways. She is overly kind to an awful lot of awfully awful people.
Fanny Brawne is not like a whale. Once demonized because not known. And this only changed when some of her letters were published.
Fanny Brawne was demonized for many of the reasons that her letters weren't published for so long, that Anne Radcliffe was so forgotten, that even this past century people have been twisting themselves into knots trying to figure out ways to claim The Taming of the Shrew isn't the fraternal twin to The Jew of Malta, and that Freud shelved his work with his female patients in which they revealed their sexual abuse by their fathers & twisted himself into a knot called The Family Romance to figure a way to keep being paid.
European, well let's say Western Society, has been wildly sexist and misogynist since forever. (I'm not saying other cultures aren't, I'm just not touching on them. Not here. So much misogyny, so little time.)
There began to be slight shifts in these prevailing views, most notably in the latter half of the 20th Century. Slight. Trump became MORE popular with his "base" when he was found to have, legally, raped a woman. In the US, people arrested with self use amounts of meth get longer prison sentences than men who murder their wives.
Slight.
The - almost exclusively male - views of Fanny Brawne were really views on women generally,. They didn't illuminate anything about Ms Brawne, but threw a lot of light on the likes and dislikes, the fears and prejudices of the men in question, and the wider society,. She was, as usual, either too prim or too slutty. Christ but that's a sad old and boring song.
If we're making comparisons to the thoughts humans have about animals, I wouldn't select whales, but wild horses. .....
When the social dynamics of wild horses were being studied - totally exclusively by men - ALL "observation and research" "Proved", that there was one male alpha horse. He had a harem of females, and these females mated with him exclusively as he had proved his better quality sperm by beating up all other males.
In the 1960s women began studying these same groups of wild horses in the US. Observation and research began "proving" something entirely different. Those female horses spent an awful lot of time nipping behind dunes and shagging any other male horse who was clever enough to get himself to the right dune at the right time and who had not proved himself to be really annoying and off puttingly aggressive and unpleasant - proved his better quality sperm or just proved to be better company.
The views on Brawne just shifted as views on women began shifting. And horses.
But, hey! There's a definite upside to all the bad stupid old books about Keats, and Brawne, and writers, and artists generally. There is so much revision to be done, it'll keep humanities graduates in dissertation work for a long long time...and they can teach while they're doing it, and a lot of them are women, as are their students. Of course since women began to study humanities, all those subjects which used to be the height of civilization have been downgraded and seen as wastes of time and money, "girlie subjects".
Like I said: Slight.