Bounty-Keelhaul
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- Clip from "Mutiny on the Bounty" (1962).
If you like the movie, buy it.
"Keelhauling was a form of punishment meted out to sailors at sea. The sailor was tied to a line that looped beneath the vessel, thrown overboard on one side of the ship, and dragged under the ship's keel, either from one side of the ship to the other, or the length of the ship (from bow to stern). As the hull was usually covered in barnacles and other marine growth, if the offender was pulled quickly, keelhauling would typically result in serious cuts, loss of limbs and even decapitation. If the victim was dragged slowly, his weight might lower him sufficiently to miss the barnacles, but this method would frequently result in his drowning."
-Wikipedia-
I watched this yesterday on UK TV. What a terrific movie!
Truly a spectacular movie in the tradition of the great MGM classics... Excellent on all levels, and truly worthy of the 7 Academy Award nominations it received... THIS is the movie that forever made me a fan of Brando... FIVE STARS!
It made _me_ a lifelong fan of Trevor Howard!
Nice to see Gordon Jackson as a young actor. I like all the actors in this film. You can watch it again and again.
My step-uncle witnessed one of the last floggings in the Royal Navy during WWII. The prisons were toured to get prisoners recruited into the RN. What they weren't told was that at the cessation of hostilities they would be returned to prison to complete their sentences.
Sounds like they were lucky. My grandad didn't get out once the Germans surrendered. He got sent to Greece and then Palestine. Lost his leg in Palestine to some 17 year old kid with a serial number on his arm. He was supposed to do 8 years in Hull prison. But Hull prison is right next to the docks and they were getting bombed every night. So he signed his name and got put into a glider based regiment. Sicily, Italy and then Holland. Managed to get out of Arnhem with what was left of the 1st Airborne and then got sent to the 6th to invade Germany. He never went to a single remembrance parade, never watched a war film and tried to talk all of his kids and grandkids out of joining the army.
@@LoudaroundLincoln My old man was in Sicily. Second wave during the invasion. Royal Engineers.
He was 14 when he signed up and 18 when he was sent to the front lines. Ulsterman.
Lost a lot of mates and a part of his soul in Italy & Austria but made it out alive.
@@LoudaroundLincoln He never went to a single remembrance parade either.
Wasn't the flogging abolished in 1879?
@@alessiodecarolis No ,,, still practiced in 1961 HMS Ganges ,,,
Nobody was ever keelhauled on the Bounty, but as they say, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
Or the facts get in the way of the truth.
I'd mutiny-! Toss Bligh overboard to sharks.
The Royal Navy had discontinued Keel Hauling about 50 years before the Bounty sailed
Yeah. But as punishments go it's pretty terrifying and youve got to forgive a bit of dramatic licence I suppose.
The last one was in 1882.
how dare you question the captain !! i think you need to be Keel hauled Mr foster !! ;)
@@yuichitwong9629 by supporters of the Khedive - Two native Egyptian sailors serving aboard the Mehemet Ali.
trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/35947833
The irony is how Horrywood's portrait of Bligh (at least in the first 2 movies) , in reality he was a decent officer, more human than others, the men he had flogged at Thaiti were deserters, and you know how the RN handled desertion, expecially if they were volounteers.
In actuality, Bligh never keel-hauled anyone. And his average of 'floggings' was far less than other Royal Navy captains. He was known more for his verbal abuse and constant belittling by class.
As any middle school girl knows...words hurt more.😌
@@jennyrose9454 Any middle-school TEACHER knows: weakness provokes rebellion more than cruelty.
@@ColonelFredPuntridge What do you mean exactly? Im just kinda trying to contemplate this
@@mackd2767 I mean: subordinates don't usually rebel against a cruel-but-capable leader; they fear him. But if a leader appears weak, the subordinates feel the possibility of victory; also, in Bligh's time, if the sailors thought the captain were weak, then they would fear that he was going to blunder and get them all killed.
@@ColonelFredPuntridge Well said, that clears up my confusion. Thank you for the response
This movie was 90 hours long but damn good
90 hours long???
According to IMDB, the run time was 2 hours 58 minutes
I think he meant 90 minutes
@@shroomezen344 LOL The version I saw had an intermission
Keelhauling was a no-no. Bligh was not a flogger either, like other captains of the day, including Cook. He did not suffer fools, expected work to be done properly, or it was a tongue-lashing! The Bounty is the most truthful version of the saga.
My dad would do this to me and my brother on our family sailing holidays in Greece in the late 80s, when we misbehaved.
Fucked up dad....
@@konne16 Yeah holy shit. I hope the last of "those" parents are dying off with that generation
Hahaha f as f nice 1
This scene terrified me when I first saw it, in a theater... Quite frankly, it has haunted me all these years (I am now 75)... The cruelty, and horror of such an act...by supposedly civilized men...is 7nsoeakably horrible.
"Civilization" is such a useless and relative term isn't it.
A fitting punishment for those well deserved however I presume it was also an abused method for punishing unjustly as well
This keelhaul was fictional in the movie. It never happened on the real HMS Bounty.
@@kekbur249 only a psychopath would think such a punishment was fitting.
Stephen Kershaw To be fair, the world being set on fire would be far less than it deserves.
They would have never tossed that rope
What a wonderful book as well as a film.
2:01 - Is this how they got the music for Jaws???
It seems like every keelhauling scene in movies has to be dramatically underscored. But I think there's enough suspense in the action itself that the noises of the boat and the sea would be the most suspenseful way to bed the scene.
Black sails version was much more dramatic. The sound of Teach being dragged along.
Nonsense. Bligh never keelhauled anyone, nor were his punishments as frequent or severe as those of other captains of the era. He's been demonized enough.
The British navy did not practice keelhauling and Bligh was less cruel than many other captains of that era.
Totally fictitious, but great drama. Keel hauling was a death sentence. Bligh never ordered it.
Think given the level of freedom he had to walk up to his doom, I'd have leapt over board shouting bon voyage.... Floated about for a bit until they either shot me or I drowned..
Or a shark swam up and ate you like this guy i the movie.
Black Sails Season IV brought me here
koala1203 blackbeard
Same here.
This is great!
A more common punishment was oak(h)um-picking where the miscreant had to pick the pitch (tar) from the ends of the rope with bare fingers so that two sheets (ropes) could be spliced. This left the offender with torn and bleeding finger ends.
True indeed…and not just at sea. Oakum picking was a common punishment in British prisons on land well into the 19th century
There’s a scene of keelhauling in Black Sails that is horrifying to watch, a brutal form of sickening torture. The Mel Gibson/Anthony Hopkins version is better and does not depict keelhauling, but does show a guy receiving lashings instead for desertion.
Damn you, Bligh!!
First movie to be shot in Ultra Panavision 70mm process at 2.76:1 aspect ratio.
much better vesion on the series" Black Sails"
I thought I read somewhere that “keel hauling” really was never a thing.
The people who said that are liars.
@@clintonsmith5163 Ha! Is that right? Were you keel-hauled? 🤣 Tell us all about.
@@tommym321 You are right. We can't be sure of anything in the past. Perhaps the Roman Empire didn't really exist, and George Washington is just a mythological figure, like Hercules.
@@clintonsmith5163 Your comment is odd. We know the Roman Empire and George Washington existed because we have primary source evidence of their existence. I don’t understand where you’re coming from.
Keelhauling was unspeakably barbaric, and unthinkable to be performed on a Royal Navy sailor. Maybe a pirate, but even then it would be shocking.
In History, Bligh got off and became the Governor I believe, in New South Wales Australia. Nobody, I guess, gave him the back of their Hand. Scott Free, It looks like.
Trevor Howard however, was Brilliant as Bligh.
The crew would have mutinied before they would allow this-!
Dumbledore before he became Headmaster of Hogwarts in the crew.
Great movie, the Mel Gibson one is much more accurate, keelhaul was not used as punishment since medieval times.
Not to mention the Vangelis music in the Mel Gibson version was amazing.
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dumbest punishment in history, if the man didn't make it you were abandoned with one crewmember less onboard, sounds like cutting off you own finger
its was typically used as a form of execution for like mutiny & piracy. Barnacles being like sharp rocks and attached to the ship will leave lacerations scarring/disfiguring sometimes severed body parts.
@@jacobgray2866barnacles dont amputate people. they had untreated infections and then had to amputate it
Poor guy!
That is what Tory bastards do. Remember that!!! Their motto is "Born to Rule". Tory bastards!!!!!!!!! Tory bastards!!!!!!!! Tory bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing missing is a John Williams score........
I'm just going to watchutney punishments Al day. Lolo
This scene is totally fabricated. Even Captain Bligh was not that cruel.
Keel hauled him good they did!
+biffrapper No !!! Nothing good about it....It was a barbaric and evil practice and that's a major point of the film, to show how awful the medieval type punishments were in the British Navy, after this things changed.
AVAST! Swarthy sea dogs need to know their place! Lash them to the keel and haul them through a swarm of eels. Nary a sailor knows what pain is jolted down through their toes!
@ biffrapper...Ahar ye sea dog ye be right, let the scurvy sinner pay the price, ahar !!
I never really understood why the Royal Navy ceased Keelhauling as it was an excellent way to maintain discipline.
Rather extreme form of punishment.
Gee, ya reckon?
I'd mutiny when bligh ordered the keel-hailing
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A brutal sadistic method of punishment from 'civilized' nations.
Keelhauling almost never happened in real life. In fact, there's not a huge amount of evidence it ever happened at all. It certainly was never a sanctioned punishment.
17ACTSVERSE11 - Want to discuss some of the inventive incredibly sadistic punishments dreamt up by your so-called "advanced" African countries?
@@chainsawgood123 I remember reading the Dutch used Keehauling and even the word Keelhaul itself was corrupted Dutch in origin.
@@Woozler554 Nothing beats the Brazen Bull as far as cruel and inhumane punishments go. Even burning at the stake and even being hanged, disemboweled and finally beheaded the usual means of execution for High Treason or regicide, attempted and succeeded was more humane than the Brazen Bull.
Look it up on RUclips or Google it. It's as bad as it gets.
@@chrismc410 Africans did something similar over a spit. See The Naked Prey.
I don't believe this happened in real life. The 1984 bounty film doesn't feature it. It's regarded as the most historically accurate of the Hollywood films.
TX Camper The keelhaul was, actually, a pirate practice, destinated to traitors and amotinated, however, some british ships also did it sometimes
Daniel 720 - Yes, but Bligh never did it. He was actually more lenient than portrayed. Captain Cook was much more harsh.
@@blackjack7207 It wasn't only a "pirate practice" it's been performed since the Tudor period, long before the Golden Age of piracy by professional navies including the Dutch, the Spanish and the English.
It's been around for at least half a millennium.
That was murder. Navy discipline or not.
An absolutely ridiculous piece of poetic licence. The film makers should be ashamed of themselves for adding that into the story line. No one on the Bounty was ever keel hauled. In fact Bligh was one of the most lenient sea captains around. Yes he was bad tempered but that was about it. He believed in keeping his men fit and healthy so they could sail the ship. Lots of dancing springs to mind.
It's a Hollywood movie, not a documentary.
@@julesmonteith1613 Yes I agree but it does portray the real Bligh in a bad light all for the sake of poetic licence. The man has a family in real life. so blackening his name is not fair on them.
So did they hate him cause he made them leave Tahiti?
@@jennyrose9454 No Jenny, it was a steady build up of tensions, his bad temper was the main cause and he berated is crew including officers in front of everyone. Of course the men fell in love with Tahiti, who wouldn't, so when they left the scene was set for a mutiny. Fletcher Christian was going out of his mind.
@@briboy2009 I should read the book.
how many people died by this punishment?
2 and a half.
Most didn't. Sometimes, though, the process was repeated until the victim did. In reality, though, the man's back was cut to ribbons by the barnacles on the keel of the ship. He wouldn't have been floating free as he was in the clip; he'd be scraped along the ship's bottom.
@@bananamontana3956 Their names were Charlie, Alan, and Jake.
The Bounty was a small vessel so crew would survive, for the most part. It wasn't that common. I'm guessing once a month? Maybe twice?
The only bits this fantasy got correct were Bligh Christian Mutiny and Bounty
Apart from all the other nonsense keel hauling was never an allowed punishment in the Royal Navy and was so rare as to be barely worth mentioning , it was more common although still rarely used on pirate ships.
Any 1 spot cowley from the proffesionals .and Richard Harris. It was illegal then .but crew and officers .never had the bollocks to stand up to him they could a saved a man's life .COWARDS
Since when do imperial navymen do kheeelhauling
Who's to say about imperial navymen, but the English military navies had been doing it since the Tudor period.
The Captain was son of a bitch though.
Terrible scene. They really didn't know how to construct a technical suspense scene back then.
Only mistake the man made was failing to kill Bligh. The Bastard
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waterboarding as usual ...
Auge Röntgen : No, not to compare. The delinquent was rubbed against the rump of the ship and his backbone was shining through his skin when they took him aboard again. But often this men where bleeding so hard that sharks or barracudas killed him before.