Always appreciate how you go into people's backgrounds, Abhi! It's really interesting hearing how Kyle got into the industry and tried out so many different development roles!
comparing Remedy to Naughty Dog really diminishes Remedy's value. very glad they let go of that philosophy and became unapologetically themselves. they are not European Naghty Dog, They are Remedy and they have their own amazing style
That's not what's happening. They are not comparing with Naughty Dog, they are trying to see the entire industry and seeing how Naughty Dog incorporates a lot of storytelling in its game and that's what they did with Alan Wake 2 specficially. Made that as a starting point
@@BehindTheVoicePod But the storytelling used in Naughty Dog games compared Remedy is fundamentally different, it's mainstream vs High budget arthouse, it's also not like Naughty Dog invented cinematic storytelling in video games. When Remedy was making layered Film Noire style games with fantastic and unique writing, Naughty Dog was making Crash Bandicoot (which is fantastic, but hardly the storytelling benchmark) The thought that they should "compete" with Uncharted 4 is the source of all the sore spots in Quantum Break, I would be very surprised if Naughty Dog is what they still had in mind when starting Alan Wake II, Kyle says it himself, the team was inspired by RE2 Remake, and he himself inspired by the work he'd done on Cyberpunk. And the storytelling became true to themselves, there simply is no game that tells its story like AW2 does, it's quintessentially Remedy and While I have respect for Naughty Dog, I don't see them ever trying to do something like that. The Time Breaker episode of Night Springs alone has a million times the depth of all Naughty Dog games combined, and that's not a problem for Naughty Dog, they are here to make "Game of the Year"s while Remedy's here to prove there's simply no better medium to tell stories than Video Games.
@yellowbat79 you are not understanding the point. The point is not to make narrative like Naughty Dog but to keep Narrative as the main focus. More fleshed out characters, more detailed narrative that games before Control didn't quite have as compared. When it comes to delivering a strong narrative, Naughty Dog easily comes as a big example. A studio HAS to look at others to see what they focus on that helps a particular side of the game. Then they start to apply on their own games as a starting point and evolve from there. Gameplay again was inspired by another set of games, how a player progresses is again inspired by another set of games. These are all starting points and from there it evolves and turns into something new and fresh
@@yellowbat79 I cannot believe you genuinely take offense to the idea of Remedy possibly taking inspiration from a studio that not only operates in the same space as them but is also much larger and more successful. Whether you like it or not, there will always be comparisons between Remedy and studios that make similar types of games, such as Naughty Dog, Kojima Productions, Ninja Theory, etc. It doesn’t matter. I'm saying this as a huge Remedy fan who buys all their games on day one (AW2, in particular, was my GOTY 2023) and as someone who agreed with your original post. "The Time Breaker episode of Night Springs alone has a million times the depth of all Naughty Dog games combined" - I mean, of course the Time Breaker episode has more "depth." You're literally comparing something that incorporates elements like time travel, the multiverse, loops, and other sci-fi concepts to fairly grounded stories that focus primarily on human emotions, like love. Even so, I think it’s unfair to dismiss Naughty Dog’s work, particularly TLOU2, which takes many narrative risks and employs complex rhetorical devices, such as four complementary timelines (similar to what we see in revolutionary works like Pulp Fiction) to tell its story. Narratively, there is a lot that Remedy can take inspiration from Naughty Dog, particularly in the areas of character development, relationships, and emotional depth-all of which Naughty Dog excels at. "They are here to make 'Game of the Year' titles, while Remedy’s here to prove there’s simply no better medium to tell stories than video games" - Except they do both. Naughty Dog not only creates GOTYs but also pushes the idea that video games are a premier medium for storytelling. In fact, they’ve arguably done a better job at this than Remedy, considering their franchises are highly acclaimed across multiple entertainment genres. If you were to ask a non-gamer to name a story-driven video game, what do you think they would mention? A Naughty Dog game or a Remedy one? That being said, comparison and inspiration don’t have to be limited to story. Games are much more than their narratives, and Remedy can take inspiration from Naughty Dog’s approach to gameplay as well. For instance, if Alan Wake 2 had a combat and gameplay loop closer to that of TLOU2, it would genuinely be my favorite game of all time.
@KiIIerz I shouldn't have used "compare" that's the wrong word, problem arises when one studio tries to be another one. each have their own strengths, I don't think Remedy should have ever tried to be Naughty Dog, that's likely what lead them to severely flatten out the narrative for it to fit into a "summer blockbuster" when that's clearly not the way that story wanted to be told. Also, yes, Naughty Dog is there to make GOTYs, you said it yourself, their whole point is to make game that non-gamers know as well, that's all cool and dandy, but I think it would be safe to assume, that's not where the new ways of storytelling are found. The risks you talk about in The Last of Us, are themselves very much tropes in written storytelling. The story is all there, It's not trying to introduce new and wild concept or go too deep into anything, and that's fine, that's what the mainstream is for, everyone MUST like it. you can't risk being off-putting, the most you can do is to kill your protagonist, and even that had people up in arms, so you see my point, Remedy should not try to BE anyone, especially not Naughty Dog. They should be inspired, they are inspired and take pride in what inspires them, paying respect to those inspirations. But you can clearly see when they try to be themselves at the very core, they are the best version of themselves, just like Naughty Dog or any other studio, it's their own fingerprint that they should not lose, in my opinion they were close to losing it with Quantum Break and Crossfire, but now their own style is more pronounced than ever. Play the Lakehouse DLC, it actually dives into this topic very well. Inspiration vs Identity
🔥interview always love watching Kyle talks about game development and the behind the scenes of game like Alan wake and the fact that hes a max Payne fan bonus points 💯💯👏🏿
@@Cold_Zero_The_Wise First of all, idk why that's a bad thing. Second, every studio, creator, person in the entire world HAS to look at others to see how they take inspirations from them on the things they do best, so that they can make themselves better.
@@BehindTheVoicePod nothing wrong with taking inspiration I just think remedy are at their best when they make things the way they want to make them, just saying
@Cold_Zero_The_Wise and that's still happening. Remedy isn't doing what other studios are doing, they are taking inspirations on how they can do something better by again combining things that they know works best for them. Sometimes some things doesn't work, sometimes it does. Remedy themselves have done this with Alan Wake 2, taking inspirations from movies and shows. Without inspirations, you can't get ideas that are exciting and fresh and unique
@@WardSennes I don't agree with the last line however you didn't see the full conversation and why he said what he said. Remedy is still Remedy and how they move forward with their projects and create ideas is still their own. It's about taking inspirations from any and all media, not becoming one. That's what Kyle said if you would've watched the full conversation
@@BehindTheVoicePod Yeah I didn't. But the situation with ND and many other previously beloved developers is so bad right now we are all illogically afraid. Not many developers are free as Remedy from the politics and distractions and we lost so many. I just hope they keep it that way.
@@yutro213 the problem is that you've not even seen why he said it. Please do watch the full conversation to know why he said what he says and what he means by it
Alan was in the game for about 20% of it and he didn't fight any single boss at all. The gameplay was boring. All he did was slightly change rooms with some lamp. He didn't do anything interesting. The fun original gameplay with the torch was nowhere to be found. The ending was unfinished. And none of the DLCs was about him. Maybe next time you wanna make a game about some black chick or some lesbian girlboss, give them their own titles instead of ruining an existing one. Thank you.
I could barely get half way before i got bored. It's been more or less downhill for Remedy since Max Payne 2. Those were great games. The idea that Remedy wants to be the european naughty dog is not a good sign at all.
@@memento-mori969 lol, yeah right! the dumbest and most annoying NPCs I've seen in a long time, a story so inane, pointless, and ridiculous that you can't stop rolling your eyes, and the forced attempt to make the game seem funny, top of the hair-raising nonsense. Saga was an established character with Nordic ancestors but is suddenly black (and remedy says thank you to sweet baby inc) the constant being torn out of the flow of the game by the stupid thinking and writing rooms was just lousy game design and graphically (here especially the picture quality) the “game” on consoles was and is a disaster! and did you identify with the whiny and stupidly into the camera-looking Alan Wake? yes? and do you think goofball Sam Lake is a great actor? you are disillusioned ...
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Always appreciate how you go into people's backgrounds, Abhi! It's really interesting hearing how Kyle got into the industry and tried out so many different development roles!
Thank you! It is really fun to dive into what they've done over the years
Kyle did a great job with bringing AW2 story alive. Love his vision
Me too!! He had some amazing ideas
Thank you for bringing us this interview, Abhi! Everything Remedy-related is worth my attention
Thank you so much for watching this!
thnx 4 the interview. i love rose 2 btw.
@@haerwoonjzka thank you so much for watching!!
I really appreciate how in-depth these chats are, beyond just the Alan Wake 2 stuff. Thanks for all your hard work!
Thank you so much for watching
Awesome interview!! It was cool to hear some of the behind the scenes stuff too :D
Thank you so much for watching!
comparing Remedy to Naughty Dog really diminishes Remedy's value.
very glad they let go of that philosophy and became unapologetically themselves.
they are not European Naghty Dog, They are Remedy and they have their own amazing style
That's not what's happening. They are not comparing with Naughty Dog, they are trying to see the entire industry and seeing how Naughty Dog incorporates a lot of storytelling in its game and that's what they did with Alan Wake 2 specficially. Made that as a starting point
@@BehindTheVoicePod But the storytelling used in Naughty Dog games compared Remedy is fundamentally different, it's mainstream vs High budget arthouse, it's also not like Naughty Dog invented cinematic storytelling in video games. When Remedy was making layered Film Noire style games with fantastic and unique writing, Naughty Dog was making Crash Bandicoot (which is fantastic, but hardly the storytelling benchmark)
The thought that they should "compete" with Uncharted 4 is the source of all the sore spots in Quantum Break, I would be very surprised if Naughty Dog is what they still had in mind when starting Alan Wake II, Kyle says it himself, the team was inspired by RE2 Remake, and he himself inspired by the work he'd done on Cyberpunk. And the storytelling became true to themselves, there simply is no game that tells its story like AW2 does, it's quintessentially Remedy and While I have respect for Naughty Dog, I don't see them ever trying to do something like that.
The Time Breaker episode of Night Springs alone has a million times the depth of all Naughty Dog games combined, and that's not a problem for Naughty Dog, they are here to make "Game of the Year"s while Remedy's here to prove there's simply no better medium to tell stories than Video Games.
@yellowbat79 you are not understanding the point. The point is not to make narrative like Naughty Dog but to keep Narrative as the main focus. More fleshed out characters, more detailed narrative that games before Control didn't quite have as compared. When it comes to delivering a strong narrative, Naughty Dog easily comes as a big example. A studio HAS to look at others to see what they focus on that helps a particular side of the game. Then they start to apply on their own games as a starting point and evolve from there. Gameplay again was inspired by another set of games, how a player progresses is again inspired by another set of games. These are all starting points and from there it evolves and turns into something new and fresh
@@yellowbat79 I cannot believe you genuinely take offense to the idea of Remedy possibly taking inspiration from a studio that not only operates in the same space as them but is also much larger and more successful. Whether you like it or not, there will always be comparisons between Remedy and studios that make similar types of games, such as Naughty Dog, Kojima Productions, Ninja Theory, etc. It doesn’t matter. I'm saying this as a huge Remedy fan who buys all their games on day one (AW2, in particular, was my GOTY 2023) and as someone who agreed with your original post.
"The Time Breaker episode of Night Springs alone has a million times the depth of all Naughty Dog games combined" - I mean, of course the Time Breaker episode has more "depth." You're literally comparing something that incorporates elements like time travel, the multiverse, loops, and other sci-fi concepts to fairly grounded stories that focus primarily on human emotions, like love. Even so, I think it’s unfair to dismiss Naughty Dog’s work, particularly TLOU2, which takes many narrative risks and employs complex rhetorical devices, such as four complementary timelines (similar to what we see in revolutionary works like Pulp Fiction) to tell its story. Narratively, there is a lot that Remedy can take inspiration from Naughty Dog, particularly in the areas of character development, relationships, and emotional depth-all of which Naughty Dog excels at.
"They are here to make 'Game of the Year' titles, while Remedy’s here to prove there’s simply no better medium to tell stories than video games" - Except they do both. Naughty Dog not only creates GOTYs but also pushes the idea that video games are a premier medium for storytelling. In fact, they’ve arguably done a better job at this than Remedy, considering their franchises are highly acclaimed across multiple entertainment genres. If you were to ask a non-gamer to name a story-driven video game, what do you think they would mention? A Naughty Dog game or a Remedy one?
That being said, comparison and inspiration don’t have to be limited to story. Games are much more than their narratives, and Remedy can take inspiration from Naughty Dog’s approach to gameplay as well. For instance, if Alan Wake 2 had a combat and gameplay loop closer to that of TLOU2, it would genuinely be my favorite game of all time.
@KiIIerz I shouldn't have used "compare" that's the wrong word, problem arises when one studio tries to be another one. each have their own strengths, I don't think Remedy should have ever tried to be Naughty Dog, that's likely what lead them to severely flatten out the narrative for it to fit into a "summer blockbuster" when that's clearly not the way that story wanted to be told.
Also, yes, Naughty Dog is there to make GOTYs, you said it yourself, their whole point is to make game that non-gamers know as well, that's all cool and dandy, but I think it would be safe to assume, that's not where the new ways of storytelling are found.
The risks you talk about in The Last of Us, are themselves very much tropes in written storytelling. The story is all there, It's not trying to introduce new and wild concept or go too deep into anything, and that's fine, that's what the mainstream is for, everyone MUST like it. you can't risk being off-putting, the most you can do is to kill your protagonist, and even that had people up in arms, so you see my point, Remedy should not try to BE anyone, especially not Naughty Dog.
They should be inspired, they are inspired and take pride in what inspires them, paying respect to those inspirations.
But you can clearly see when they try to be themselves at the very core, they are the best version of themselves, just like Naughty Dog or any other studio, it's their own fingerprint that they should not lose, in my opinion they were close to losing it with Quantum Break and Crossfire, but now their own style is more pronounced than ever.
Play the Lakehouse DLC, it actually dives into this topic very well. Inspiration vs Identity
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This was a good conversation! 🔥
Thank you!
🔥interview always love watching Kyle talks about game development and the behind the scenes of game like Alan wake and the fact that hes a max Payne fan bonus points 💯💯👏🏿
Thank you so much for watching!
@BehindTheVoicePod of course
Holy smokes! Great work Abhi!
Thank You!!
My brotha I’m gonna click on your videos regardless, you don’t need to put “brutally honest” in the titles
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Thanks!
@@BehindTheVoicePod 🤝
A doctor strange marvel game would be 🔥for remedy
DCU could offer unlimited possibilities for storytelling, as well, but of course James Gunn & Pete Safran might have different plans for DCU's future.
That would be nice to have
Gotta Catch Em All!!
Remedy Edition.
Hahaha well that seems to be what I'm doing
I see what you do when said Naugthy Dog
Blackwashing characters.
Dont be like naughty dog. be like yourself
They are themselves.
@@BehindTheVoicePod them saying they want to be the naughty dog of Sweden worried me
@@Cold_Zero_The_Wise First of all, idk why that's a bad thing. Second, every studio, creator, person in the entire world HAS to look at others to see how they take inspirations from them on the things they do best, so that they can make themselves better.
@@BehindTheVoicePod nothing wrong with taking inspiration I just think remedy are at their best when they make things the way they want to make them, just saying
@Cold_Zero_The_Wise and that's still happening. Remedy isn't doing what other studios are doing, they are taking inspirations on how they can do something better by again combining things that they know works best for them. Sometimes some things doesn't work, sometimes it does. Remedy themselves have done this with Alan Wake 2, taking inspirations from movies and shows. Without inspirations, you can't get ideas that are exciting and fresh and unique
They want to be the european version of Naughty dog. Ouch...
@@Groaznic it shows how you haven't seen the conversation. Please watch why he said it and how Remedy is still doing their own thing
Please don't be an European version of ND. Be the good old Remedy, its fine. Even ND is not ND anymore.
@@WardSennes I don't agree with the last line however you didn't see the full conversation and why he said what he said. Remedy is still Remedy and how they move forward with their projects and create ideas is still their own. It's about taking inspirations from any and all media, not becoming one. That's what Kyle said if you would've watched the full conversation
@@BehindTheVoicePod Yeah I didn't. But the situation with ND and many other previously beloved developers is so bad right now we are all illogically afraid. Not many developers are free as Remedy from the politics and distractions and we lost so many. I just hope they keep it that way.
@WardSennes idk how developers are "bad" here. You can blame it on publishers because they have a business mindset but developers are never to blame.
“We Should Be the European Version of Naughty Dog”. Absolutely NOT, NO WAY, that is UNconceivable. Remedy does that, it will go BROKE, 100%.
@@yutro213 the problem is that you've not even seen why he said it. Please do watch the full conversation to know why he said what he says and what he means by it
Alan was in the game for about 20% of it and he didn't fight any single boss at all. The gameplay was boring. All he did was slightly change rooms with some lamp.
He didn't do anything interesting. The fun original gameplay with the torch was nowhere to be found. The ending was unfinished. And none of the DLCs was about him.
Maybe next time you wanna make a game about some black chick or some lesbian girlboss, give them their own titles instead of ruining an existing one. Thank you.
"European version of naughty dog"? please no
You haven't even seen the whole conversation and why he says it
@@BehindTheVoicePod true
success? the game still hasnt broke even lol
@@OtogiMyth doesn't mean that it's not successful
you should work on your accent, its hard to understand you (im not native English speaker too)
@@IRomKom I am sorry that it was hard to understand
@BehindTheVoicePod thanx, I wish you good luck and a Happy New year, thank you for the interview
@@IRomKom Happy New Year to you too and thank you so much for watching this episode
Haha wait what, success?
Alan Wake 2 was NOT a good game, unfortunately, it was rather annoying ...
alan wake 2 was a masterpiece, you're delusional
Yeah, it wasn't good. It was amazing.
you might be alone on that one pal
I could barely get half way before i got bored. It's been more or less downhill for Remedy since Max Payne 2. Those were great games. The idea that Remedy wants to be the european naughty dog is not a good sign at all.
@@memento-mori969 lol, yeah right! the dumbest and most annoying NPCs I've seen in a long time, a story so inane, pointless, and ridiculous that you can't stop rolling your eyes, and the forced attempt to make the game seem funny, top of the hair-raising nonsense. Saga was an established character with Nordic ancestors but is suddenly black (and remedy says thank you to sweet baby inc)
the constant being torn out of the flow of the game by the stupid thinking and writing rooms was just lousy game design and graphically (here especially the picture quality) the “game” on consoles was and is a disaster! and did you identify with the whiny and stupidly into the camera-looking Alan Wake? yes? and do you think goofball Sam Lake is a great actor? you are disillusioned ...