Alan Parsons Is Not Happy With Some Ex Project Bandmates

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @captainamerica4685
    @captainamerica4685 2 года назад +24

    At the same time, people who show up to see Alan Parsons are disappointed when they find out none of the original band is playing.

  • @marcelodb5429
    @marcelodb5429 2 года назад +13

    I won´t ever understand why AP didn't include Lenny Zakatek, Stewart Elliot and Ian Bairnson in the live project since Live in Madrid (2004) and so on. Because this dispute is new. Instead, he preferred to create an entirely new line up with fine musicians but they were never involved in the original albums. And they never sounded like the original APP somehow.

    • @johnnyraven4217
      @johnnyraven4217 Год назад +3

      I agree. What’s behind Parsons discarding all of these brilliant musicians ? They helped to create the sound . As far as I am concerned they were the best and that’s not just because they were the originals .
      While the current musicians are very good , the originals remain the gold standard . One day we will find out why Parsons rebuilt the band from scratch . If anyone knows, please educate me.

    • @chrisgale5634
      @chrisgale5634 Год назад +2

      100%!

  • @Josledes
    @Josledes Год назад +18

    The Alan Parsons Project ended when Eric Woolfson, the creator of all that wonderful music, left due to irreconcilable differences with Parsons. You have to remember that Parsons is only the sound engineer. He is reaping the fruits of Woolfson's talent, for me undeservedly.

    • @maxmeister5064
      @maxmeister5064 6 месяцев назад +1

      He's not "only" the sound engineer, though. In 1975 when the Project started, Alan enjoyed renown as a top notch producer, contrary to Eric, who DID write the songs, yes, but was pretty unknown still. That's why it became The Alan Parsons Project. His name was the star name, the draw. So I don't think it's undeserved. We all know that Woolfson/Parsons wasn't real, it was a business consideration. Just like Lennon/McCartney. As a rule of thumb, Eric wrote the songs and Alan the instrumentals. There were a few exceptions to that rule, Can't Take It With You for example.

    • @cesarincamendozaloyola4407
      @cesarincamendozaloyola4407 Месяц назад

      @@Josledes, actually, Alan wrote some great stuff, mostly, the instrumental pieces.

  • @kelvyn_araujo
    @kelvyn_araujo 2 года назад +6

    Anybody has any live video link of this "alternative" old band? It really seems more interesting to see than actual's Alan live band.

  • @Rickholly74
    @Rickholly74 4 года назад +13

    The Alan Parsons Project was never a touring band till the early 2000's and even that is not called The Alan Parsons Project, it's called the Alan Parsons Live Project which was an agreement he made with his former partner (the late) Eric Woolfson. Alan does not even use the name on his more recent albums which are simply Alan Parsons solo albums. The players on some of the early Project albums were just people used in the studio (and there were a lot of them). Alan should absolutely be able to decide whether or not someone can use his name. Saying they are the "original" Alan Parsons Project band just isn't true. They are a group of people who played on Project albums. There was no band. The albums were Alan's and Eric's projects. I have seen The Alan Parsons Live Project with Alan twice in recent years and they are fantastic but I would be very angry if I paid to see something called The Original Alan Parsons Project without Alan.

  • @fazilokudanofficial
    @fazilokudanofficial 5 лет назад +16

    Dave Bainbridge is not original. Ian Bairnson created the whole guitar sound of TAPP and played on all the Project albums.

    • @bfdmudk
      @bfdmudk 5 лет назад +4

      Exactly. And while Laurence Cottle did play on TAPP albums, it was only the last "1½" after he took over from David Paton. Same thing with Richard Cottle. Associated? Definitely. Original? Not hardly. Lenny Zakatek sang on a lot of TAPP songs, so his credentials hold up - even if he was one of many. Only Powell and Elliot are 100% genuine. Why they do this is a different story.

    • @Kaleiddmode
      @Kaleiddmode 5 лет назад +1

      @@bfdmudk Richard Cottle has been on Keats, Vulture Culture, Stereotomy, Gaudi, Freudiana and then on Try Anything Once, On Air, The Time Machine so you can't say "hardly an original " and Laurence Cottle can't be diminished by having play only on Gaudi and Freudiana. In the end it's about the musical bond these musicians have had since the times of working with Eric Woolfson at Abbey Road studios recording albums. The are doing it because of what The Alan Parsons Project meant to them in their lives, they are already successful musicians who don't need money or sudden fame if that's what you pretend to suggest.

    • @bfdmudk
      @bfdmudk 5 лет назад +1

      ​@@Kaleiddmode I think we shall agree to disagree what "original" implies, your list is absolutely correct and the Cottles are brilliant musicians. I am not suggesting that they are dishonorable, I am suggesting that Mr Parsons may have a point in protesting the use of his name.

  • @MrCherryJuice
    @MrCherryJuice 2 года назад +7

    Mr. Parsons is quite right, the billing for The Project is misleading. Also, these people were not the original band, though that is a matter of how one defines 'original'. Yes, Andrew Powell appears on the debut album and Lenny Zakatak appears on 'I, Robot', but the 'original band' was essentially Scots popsters Pilot, which is no secret. The other players of The Project are all great and made appearances on subsequent albums but do not constitute the 'original' band. Maybe 'The Project Players - the musicians heard on the records of the Alan Parsons Project' would be more accurate and acceptable
    .
    Also FYI, original band members David Paton (bass, guitar, vocals) and Ian Bairnson (guitar, lead guitar) released in 2014 the album 'A Pilot Project' (notice that abbreviates to APP) the cover of which has the 'eye in the sky'. The 14 tunes are all APP, including 'Eye In The Sky', 'What Goes Up', 'Breakdown', 'Let's Talk About Me', 'Games People Play' etc. With the exception of Paton and Bairnson, there are not other APP players involved.
    Here, penned by Paton, is an excerpt penned the booklet from that album. It refers to Parsons producing Pilot:
    'Alan is a giant, 6'4"... had public schooling (note: British term for private schooling), was very much a gentleman and really good at his job. We couldn't have picked a better producer. he was quiet, no, reserved and only spoke when necessary. You could sit for hours with him on a mix without much being said. After a while you'd maybe hear him say 'any thoughts?' Very seldom, if ever did we have any negative comments about the mixes. He heard it exactly the way we heard it. He did a great job as a producer, but the playing and arrangements were left for to the musicians. It was the same with the Project.'
    Paton also notes, 'I tried my hardest to convince everyone that it would be a great idea to take the Project on the road. Ian (Bairnson) felt the same way. Our voices fell on deaf ears. Alan and Eric Didn't have much enthusiasm for live work at the time and the band wouldn't make a move as they thought Alan and Eric would object. I knew it was possible and was very frustrated with all of them. It wasn't until after the Project had finished that Alan approached me to do a one-off gig in Antwerp, Belgium in 1990 with the original line-up. That was an exciting and successful concert and I hoped it would have paved the way for the return of the Project. In the 1990s, Ian was instrumental in bringing Eric's songs to the live stage and he and Project drummer Stuart Elliott convinced Alan to tour the world extensively throughout the decade.'
    In addition to 'A Pilot Project' Paton, who has several solo albums, in 2020 Paton released 'The Traveller', which is billed as 'another Pilot project' though under his name. Sadly, Ian Bairnson, due to problems with his memory is not longer playing in a professional capacity.
    The link for the 'A Pilot Project' CD:
    www.apilotproject.com/buycd.htm

    • @clannad99germany70
      @clannad99germany70 2 года назад

      That is right, but Alan Parsons was only !!! the engineer, nothing else, the soundmakers were Paton, Bairnson and of course the late Eric Woolfson, who composed those songs !!!!

  • @Mr.RodrigoGomez
    @Mr.RodrigoGomez 2 года назад +17

    They sound much better than AP’s tribute band. AP should be honest, he was just the sound guy and he got lucky with the name of the band. The Eric Woolfson Project should have been.

    • @kelvyn_araujo
      @kelvyn_araujo 2 года назад

      Has any video of this tribute band?

    • @joebloggs8636
      @joebloggs8636 2 года назад +3

      Are you high,? It was HIS idea about the whole thing,what's wrong with you man?

    • @clannad99germany70
      @clannad99germany70 2 года назад

      You just nailed it !!!!!!!! He had the luck the his name was used of the band name, the creating mastermind was Eric Woolfson and the original session musicians like Paton or Bairnson, Elliott, Tosh and s on !!!!

    • @Jojoseahorse
      @Jojoseahorse 7 месяцев назад

      I have wondered it Eric Woolfson was one of those humble geniuses like Peter Green, who didn't want their names attached to the band by choice.

  • @sandralangford1645
    @sandralangford1645 3 месяца назад +1

    Has no one noticed that "Need You Now" by Lady Antebellum is" Eye in the Sky" ? I never understood no one else noticed

    • @wkrp01
      @wkrp01 2 месяца назад

      They did notice. See the Wikipedia entries on these songs. They cite articles that were written over a decade ago.

  • @sharongranger5860
    @sharongranger5860 4 года назад +5

    That’s really strange because Jeff Lynne had the same issue ex members of ELO we’re calling themselves ELO part two and they had to change their name to The Orchestra because the last real member left. Now Jeff Lynne is touring as Jeff Lynne‘s ELO which I saw twice the past couple years.

    • @crusheverything4449
      @crusheverything4449 4 года назад +2

      Jeff has always been the principle of ELO. ELO II was a repugnant cash grab that offered none of the magic of ELO because that magic came from the genius, Jeff Lynne.

    • @shannonlucas2980
      @shannonlucas2980 3 года назад +2

      Jeff Lynne wrote and produced every ELO song, sans Roll Over Beethoven and pretty much was ELO. Although I'm glad the RRHOF acknowledged Bevan and Tandy. On the other hand, Parsons musical involvement was nominal at best. He's admitted that Eric Woolfson wrote almost everything. I guess when one's name is literally the bands name, that person feels they deserve all the credit.

    • @anthonymartino9917
      @anthonymartino9917 3 года назад

      It is too bad Jeff is so into himself though! I never seen that as much with any other musician actually. I have every ELO ALBUM and love them and Jeff is outstanding. But I think the "original ELO" up to Out of the Blue album will not be surpassed and this stuff Lynne is doing now is just to make money. The passion is not there. I never hear much on the fantastic musicians that were part of the Original ELO mentioned by Jeff. It is him him him. Yes he had the biggest part in making it all happen but he also had outstanding musicians with him and that goes too often not noticed and is wrong!

    • @Mr.RodrigoGomez
      @Mr.RodrigoGomez 2 года назад

      You are right an and ELO tribute band called ‘The Orchestra’ played in Fort Lauderdale many years ago opening for AP’s tribute band. Back then AP didn’t care about it.

    • @marcelodb5429
      @marcelodb5429 2 года назад

      Did You see Wembley or Bust? It was incredible and JL and the rest of singers/musicians really nailed it. They sounded like the original recordings.

  • @Newfoundmike
    @Newfoundmike Год назад +6

    THE BAND IS JUST FANTASTIC THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK (BY THE WAY WHICH ONE'S (ALAN) 😂🤗✌️💓🌍

  • @thanksfernuthin
    @thanksfernuthin 5 лет назад +12

    I can understand the artists feeling like they were just cogs and Alan Parson's got all the credit. That's how he set it up. But if they want to show us it was they that deserve the credit for the great songs then they can make new ones. I think he's being too nice actually.

    • @Mr.RodrigoGomez
      @Mr.RodrigoGomez 2 года назад +1

      You mean AP the engineer, producer and occasional keyboardist? He did not write any song.

    • @maxmeister5064
      @maxmeister5064 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Mr.RodrigoGomez Maybe not the songs, but well the instrumentals. Like Sirius ALKA the Chicago Bulls entrance theme.

  • @raoulcarggarglin9323
    @raoulcarggarglin9323 5 лет назад +17

    Woolfson was the HEART AND SOUL of TAPP.! Alan put it all together, yes. But there's NO HEART or SOUL in ANYTHING Alan has done since Eric's demise.
    But hey, what do I know?

    • @marcelodb5429
      @marcelodb5429 2 года назад

      I think that there was an amazing synergy between Eric and Alan. In fact, when they decided to split things never were the same for the two if them. While Eric produced Musical works for theater like POE, Alan decided to perform live due to the fact that new technologies allowed that.

  • @markmarsh27
    @markmarsh27 5 лет назад +3

    You ARE the best Music Journalist on RUclips John. ... Your 34 000 followers should be 3.4 MILLION. ... You'll get there. ... THANK YOU for your excellent work.

    • @RockHistoryMusic
      @RockHistoryMusic  5 лет назад +3

      Mark, thanks so much. It's been a long ride. We almost quit a few times but we're all in now. Thanks again for your support.

  • @Kaleiddmode
    @Kaleiddmode 5 лет назад +5

    It's called The Project but they have to say it's of The Alan Parsons Project original band and no Alan, they showed in the local newspapers it is without you and that has been clear, if people get confused it's their fault, nobody is stopping them from finding out and we're referring to them as The Project.

  • @MrChipBryant
    @MrChipBryant 5 лет назад +3

    You are interesting..keep it up please. Interested in the Guess Who, Turtles.

  • @shammywammy
    @shammywammy 3 года назад +2

    They should just reach a compromise and call their show The [some other Firstname Lastname] Project
    Anyone hearing that name will get the idea but not get confused

  • @demedemertdemert5955
    @demedemertdemert5955 4 года назад +1

    This was bound to happen someday, but hey didn't the musicians realize this earlier, I'm sure they did some formalities of acceptance in which all these would have been mentioned..

  • @kjeldlarsen912
    @kjeldlarsen912 5 лет назад +2

    Thanks , well they could use another name I think too , it's about the music

  • @randyparmley5009
    @randyparmley5009 5 месяцев назад

    Old band was members of pilot

  • @stephencoopet7860
    @stephencoopet7860 5 месяцев назад

    My favorite song is Time

  • @tcrane8630
    @tcrane8630 3 года назад

    He's right and, most of the band was actually the members of Pilot and none of these guys, say for Lenny Zakatek

    • @progmeup
      @progmeup 3 года назад +2

      Stuart Elliott played drums on all their albums starting with Pyramid. Andrew Powell's orchestrations were a big key in the group's success. The Cottles only got involved on the last three albums and Bainbridge had nothing to do with the Project.

  • @lastofthe4horsemen279
    @lastofthe4horsemen279 17 дней назад

    I Robot one of THE greatest records of all time

  • @davidmorgen4558
    @davidmorgen4558 2 года назад

    Davy bainbridge,Hawkwind..?

  • @peted7985
    @peted7985 5 лет назад +11

    i guess (based on other stuff i've heard) that Alan Parsons is only doing all this to make money, to cash in on his name . i would sooner he was out there with his original musicians if they could all get together , but i'd sooner see those original guys without Alan, than Alan without them .

  • @jamro217
    @jamro217 4 года назад +5

    This is an unusual situation in that the band is named after the engineer, not a member of the original stage band. Although he does play and sing, he wasn't on stage in the early days. If a band had a lead singer that went solo and touted himself as "the former lead singer of ____" it would be understood that the former band wasn't part of the act. When the band is a fluid mix of studio musicians named after the engineer, what did you expect would happen?

    • @twincitiestara
      @twincitiestara 3 года назад +7

      Nobody was "on stage" in the early days. The Alan Parsons Project was only ever a studio production.

  • @Kaleiddmode
    @Kaleiddmode 5 лет назад +1

    They had a wonderful gig in Barcelona Btw, John you should check it out.

  • @philippemichelvidori7248
    @philippemichelvidori7248 5 лет назад +10

    The problem is that Alan may be a genius but cannot sing like the others: E. Wolfson, L. Zakatek , John myles etc.

    • @georgebur
      @georgebur 5 лет назад +1

      Zakatek is a bit dodgy unfortunately. Not so good at soft stuff

    • @georgebur
      @georgebur 5 лет назад +2

      It was never a problem at all. Alan Parsons simply hired a range of singers to do that part for him. Note that Eric Woolfson is no longer with us, so he can't play a role at all.

    • @philippemichelvidori7248
      @philippemichelvidori7248 5 лет назад

      @@georgebur en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Try_Anything_Once

    • @philippemichelvidori7248
      @philippemichelvidori7248 5 лет назад

      ​@@georgebur I saw the show for the try anything once tour , and I forgot Chris Thompson and the band was fantastic ! It's true though that I would be pissed off at the others because he had the ideas along with E. Wolfson. I forgot about the crazy Arthur Brown on ToMaI.

    • @Josledes
      @Josledes Год назад

      You're wrong, the word genius is not appropriate for Parsons, just businessman. The genius was the late Eric Woolfson, thanks to him you hear some of the best music ever created.

  • @strose2002
    @strose2002 5 лет назад +6

    I don't think anyone would care if Alan was on stage or not. It's not like he's done anything in ten years of more!

  • @julieraymond1743
    @julieraymond1743 5 лет назад +1

    Should or be a problem for him. Maybe, he believed he was supposed to be lead singer, too, and couldn’ t accept it.The sad part in this is, since he was the group founder, he probably thought he had to be able to do it all simultaneously, and he couldn’t, so it made a lot of animosity.

  • @l.t.w8985
    @l.t.w8985 5 лет назад +2

    What a slap in the face to mr. Parsons. I can't believe what I am hearing because this guy is a genius and how can they do this to him. What is wrong with bands rock stars that these type of things happen. It's so sad don't you think John? By the way thank you so much for your interviews of Alan Parsons. If it wasn't for you I wouldn't even know about the secret and I am in love with this album. It is, for me, the best album I have heard in years many years. The production value and the clarity of the CD is a huge wow factor for me.

    • @juliamacfarlanesmith808
      @juliamacfarlanesmith808 5 лет назад +5

      How can they do this to him? what are they exactly doing to him that is causing you this distress?? this original musicans are simply getting together explaining that they are the original ones of The Alan Parsons Project , and when you listen to your albums you are listening to their talents, they all help build the songs while Eric Woolfson was playing his compositions on the piano, once they had the song ready the your genius and beloved Alan would mix the songs. These musicans have all the rights to play the songs and they surely do better than anybody else and now Alan Parsons doesn't want them to use the project name because it creates confusion. Only creates confusion to people like you who don't bother investigating and reading the whole issue. Alan has become rich thanks to touring with different people for years with that band and he in no way will be affected economically.

    • @crusheverything4449
      @crusheverything4449 4 года назад +2

      I agree, Julie, and those musicians have a right to make a living, especially from music they helped create. I think Alan is doing just fine, either way.

    • @Josledes
      @Josledes Год назад +1

      The genius was always Eric Woolfson. Alan Parsons is just a freeloader who only thinks about money.

  • @mr.d.572
    @mr.d.572 5 лет назад +10

    "The Secret" is horrible! I'd rather see the other guys play, I'm sure whatever material they play will be better.

  • @WilliamCamilleri
    @WilliamCamilleri 3 года назад +1

    plonker

    • @XXX_xxxxxxxx
      @XXX_xxxxxxxx 2 года назад +3

      Why are you always calling people plonkers?