God we sure know how to do things by the book and without the bullshit. I love the British army. This is a VERY good video for even today's standard of soldiering. Love it.
@Hugo Colson Wow! No one _does_ give a damn, so now you _can_ be sure! Seriously, stop spamming this bullsh*t everywhere. Nobody is taken in by it, or the spurious reply either.
We used some of these TTPs in Ukraine to great effect, the British army knew their shit. I have to admit the few days I was using these TTPs turned out being the most effective training on combat I ever had
@@SPiderman-rh2zk I always had CHIPS as Causing Havoc In People's Streets, which seemed more in the spirit of the FISH aspect of it. Both work, of course.
I remember delivering my first set of orders for a fighting patrol during my NCOs cadre, I was out all day and had to write everything at night in my basher at a peak in the Scottish Highlands, Fort William to be exact. By the time i had finished and came to reading them to my patrol... I couldn't read them because I had fallen asleep near the end so I had to blag it. Got a pass though. Best times
I had the same problem, fell asleep in the O group and fell on the platoons commanders model. He was a good sought though made a joke of it and then said to me later that if i had not crashed down he would have.
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now! During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary. CEFO: I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers. A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype. 7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
Looks over-simplified, but when a platoon has been working together for a while, all the pedantic BS goes out the window and appart from orders and specific rehearsals, everything else boils down to drills. This is a realistic representation of the real thing, although the formations used would not be used these days due to the asymmetric threat of today.
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now! During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary. CEFO: I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers. A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype. 7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
This video really has a feel to it that emphasizes the stress and fatigue that field ops have when you're cold, wet, hungry and havent slept in 96 hours.
Bound and cover. COVERING FIRE! IN POSITION! At least that's what the US Army taught me during basic. Two guys would bound and cover while wearing MILES gear to try and find and 'eliminate' the drill sergeant shooting at us. We failed miserably at finding him but it did drive home the idea of relying on your buddy to cover you while you did the same for him. I love these old videos but the animations don't really show what happens with an enemy firing back that is just as well trained as you are. (Moltke's axiom about even the best well laid plan never surviving first contact with the enemy.) I never got to train with Brits but would have loved meeting some of you guys. Cheers to my British brothers-in-arms.
I remember an exercise on Salisbury plain, 70’s freezing cold,(Global warming) they had an O group in the command 432 some Tankie Major who had a bad twitch in his neck, my platoon Sjt platoon commander a full screw and a couple of others. They were in the back with the door closed for over an hour I thought lucky bastards in the warm. Then the back door started to open slowly, I saw the lever rising. The Full screw stood with his eyes glazed over, and he went face first into the deck. Then they all came staggering out PISSED the tankie no longer had a twitch and the rest were arseholed. They’d drunk the complete Company’s Rum ration..... 1RGJ...S&B..
Gavin H it's a interesting video as there using some experimental kit. The NI helmets and what I believe to be 72/75 pattern webbing. Or could be Nylon 58p
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now! During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary. CEFO: I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers. A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype. 7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now! During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary. CEFO: I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers. A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype. 7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
It was initially call the IWS individual weapon sight, (for night vision) I don’t think it was meant to go on the weapon (Heavy walking round Belfast) We got the in the 70’s they were £2000 then. Someone knocked one off a window sill and you could hear it shatter inside. No-one took the blame......
I think it is a passive scope and not thermal though i may be wrong as i do not recognize the one on the SLR. The night sights were green but larger and more sausage shaped. Anyone else know?
We used t change the locations of the majority of any flares or booby traps every night before daylight. We didn’t change some if there were indicators that they were compromised (smooth the dirt out, and a boot print or scuff marks) We’d add a new one or two around the area. Maybe add a bounding mine or two with trip wires. (Provided time) Just to say how ya doin! This way any previous patrols were out dated, and if they were careless….. Or an attacking force finding death were there wasn’t supposed to be will slow or stop an advance, and not to mention the moral will take a hit. Then you bring artillery and mortars on those areas while there confused. They take casualties and become more confused and the moral gets a even bigger nose dive. You put every possible way of violent death on them. The advance will stall, then stop, and recoil unorganised. If your troops are good. You will be able to counter attack on there heals and demoralise them more, and perhaps push them back. Combat is boredom, scared to death, confusion, shock, and fatigued, elation, and remorse when it’s over and your unhurt and alive. Each emotion is at 110% when you feel them. Then after your first battle you realise all the stupid things while training you did over and over until you’d think you’d puke was for muscle memory. Your body and you will just react to what you trained to do without giving it any thought almost. Then years later you wake up in the night freaking out for a few seconds. Most everyday yo wrestle with the demons in your mind from then. You hope when you stand for judgement you are forgiven for what you did. All war doesn’t solve anything really. It just sets the world up for the next ones. If we as a species decide that regardless of skin colour or beliefs that we are all brothers and sisters, and eliminated the need for a few to own all our world would be a beautiful place to be. If All the money spent on military budgets were to be put into irrigation systems, healthcare, medical research, and myriads of other such projects. Not one adult or child would die from starvation, diseases, and other solvable things. But greedy men want it all and truck the useless eaters. Why do you need a billion dollars? You’ll never spend that much in a lifetime. A child goes blind in a third world nation, while mr billionaire sits on his golden toilet. How wrong are we as a society? I hope that the bible is true. I truly do! How nice would it be to live in utopia with everyone having enough! No sorrow, tears, pain, diseases, and EVERYONE being equal! Sorry didn’t mean to get preachy. I’ll get off my high horse, and yes I’m as guilty as everyone else too. God bless you all that read this, and those that don’t.
Does a standing patrol mean when potential enemy approaches are "guarded" by a section who patrol the mentioned areas and potential OP/ Defensive position? Great video!!!
You notice the officer doesn’t have face camouflage? That because he’s WAY back behind the front. Now the captains and Louies, that a different story! They up with the NCO’s and privates. Us NCO’s are what makes the military’s of the world work. That’s where things get done! LEAD THE WAY!!!!!
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God we sure know how to do things by the book and without the bullshit. I love the British army. This is a VERY good video for even today's standard of soldiering. Love it.
Yeah, way too much like "the book".
@Hugo Colson Wow! No one _does_ give a damn, so now you _can_ be sure! Seriously, stop spamming this bullsh*t everywhere. Nobody is taken in by it, or the spurious reply either.
@Dan Didnot why
We used some of these TTPs in Ukraine to great effect, the British army knew their shit. I have to admit the few days I was using these TTPs turned out being the most effective training on combat I ever had
@@TheEmperorsChampion964 It's paying off now.
They are the best in the world - but sadly let down by politicians (of all persuasions) who won't spend the money to give them the kit they need.
Well put Adam, if anything I think we need larger police forces these days and not so much massive militaries
@@SmokeDog1871 - Are you sure, there’d be no one left alive in this Country if the Police were all given weapons.
FIBUA - fightin in built-up areas
DIBUA - Defence " " " " "
FIBAD - Fighting in bars and discos
FISCH - Fighting in some cunts house , interchangeable with FIBUA
you forgot FISH
F=fighting
I=in
S=someone elses
H= House
Good to hear the old ones again.
FISH and CHIPS
Fighting In Someone's House
and
Causing Havoc In Public Spaces
@@SPiderman-rh2zk I always had CHIPS as Causing Havoc In People's Streets, which seemed more in the spirit of the FISH aspect of it. Both work, of course.
I remember delivering my first set of orders for a fighting patrol during my NCOs cadre, I was out all day and had to write everything at night in my basher at a peak in the Scottish Highlands, Fort William to be exact.
By the time i had finished and came to reading them to my patrol... I couldn't read them because I had fallen asleep near the end so I had to blag it. Got a pass though.
Best times
I had the same problem, fell asleep in the O group and fell on the platoons commanders model. He was a good sought though made a joke of it and then said to me later that if i had not crashed down he would have.
No cuff too tough
Americans do it because the Patriots, Russians do for the motherland, germans do it for the fatherland, British do it because we can
Think the British army was better trained then and standard was higher then now
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now!
During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary.
CEFO:
I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers.
A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype.
7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
Looks over-simplified, but when a platoon has been working together for a while, all the pedantic BS goes out the window and appart from orders and specific rehearsals, everything else boils down to drills. This is a realistic representation of the real thing, although the formations used would not be used these days due to the asymmetric threat of today.
Aye, that file was just asking to be shishkebabed by some 7.62x54R
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now!
During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary.
CEFO:
I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers.
A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype.
7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
This video really has a feel to it that emphasizes the stress and fatigue that field ops have when you're cold, wet, hungry and havent slept in 96 hours.
great info, weird LSW variant being used, quite unusual
Pre Production LSW might even be the 4.85mm version. Seen in the recruiting leaflets I read before signing up in 1984 ! :-)
Bound and cover. COVERING FIRE! IN POSITION! At least that's what the US Army taught me during basic. Two guys would bound and cover while wearing MILES gear to try and find and 'eliminate' the drill sergeant shooting at us. We failed miserably at finding him but it did drive home the idea of relying on your buddy to cover you while you did the same for him. I love these old videos but the animations don't really show what happens with an enemy firing back that is just as well trained as you are. (Moltke's axiom about even the best well laid plan never surviving first contact with the enemy.) I never got to train with Brits but would have loved meeting some of you guys. Cheers to my British brothers-in-arms.
I remember an exercise on Salisbury plain, 70’s freezing cold,(Global warming) they had an O group in the command 432 some Tankie Major who had a bad twitch in his neck, my platoon Sjt platoon commander a full screw and a couple of others. They were in the back with the door closed for over an hour I thought lucky bastards in the warm. Then the back door started to open slowly, I saw the lever rising. The Full screw stood with his eyes glazed over, and he went face first into the deck. Then they all came staggering out PISSED the tankie no longer had a twitch and the rest were arseholed. They’d drunk the complete Company’s Rum ration..... 1RGJ...S&B..
David Smith now that is funny.
The corporals helmet cover does not fit. A problem when they were being issued in the 80s with not enough of each size.
400 rounds for GPMG for a fighting patrol really fucking hell you need at least a 1000 rounds
One shot one kill. It would be stupid to give A British soldier to much ammo as it would hurt the budget.
Fed and watered but never any sleep at the 7 min mark.
Interesting, at 05:13 you see a LSW with bipod - one of the early examples with no 'girder support' under the barrel.
Gavin H it's a interesting video as there using some experimental kit. The NI helmets and what I believe to be 72/75 pattern webbing. Or could be Nylon 58p
this is BMT in a youtube channel! hahahaha
Probably a silly question but what does FUP stand for?
Dan Morgan Forming up position
Matthew Rowe Thanks that does make sense.
+Dan Morgan Forming up point
BertAtkin AAAHHH the controversy. LOL thanks for responding.
No its Form up point.
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now!
During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary.
CEFO:
I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers.
A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype.
7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
I slept through most of this boring film when I was serving. Bizarrely, I find it interesting now!
During the night rehearsal, it sounds like David "Diddy" Hamilton is giving the commentary.
CEFO:
I wasn't into militaria until later so never noticed the webbing. This is the 1982 or 1983 version of PLCE. It's very different to the 1985 trials PLCE. This is the first time I've ever seen it in use by soldiers.
A 20rd Colt mag is too short for the magazine pouches, a 30rd too long. Radway Green and Stannag even worse. I believe it's for the 4.85mm (XL64?) IW SA80 prototype.
7:06 - good to know that there IS a rucksack for this early set. I have the CEFO and side pouches daysack - but have never seen the rucksack. I suspect that it's as the '85 trials but with coil zips for the side pouches.
Take out? Are you taking them out for dinner? I think you mean DESTROY.
Is that a Early CWS... kite at 5.42....must be the early 4 mag type...?
Nice
That bipod on the l86 LSW looks different ??
GREAT series!
Nice one Bish. I knew it as "fighting in someONEs house". lol
What's the odd looking scope on the SA80 (6:00)?
Martyn it’s a purpose built night sight, I can’t remember the name, it has night vision and is useful for observation
The C.W.S or Common Weapon Sight, it was not bad but it fucked up your eye if used to much.
never saw that one, I was in at that time and the night sight was larger and more sausage shaped. Starlight scope it was called.
It was initially call the IWS individual weapon sight, (for night vision) I don’t think it was meant to go on the weapon (Heavy walking round Belfast) We got the in the 70’s they were £2000 then. Someone knocked one off a window sill and you could hear it shatter inside. No-one took the blame......
Armeh
Does anyone know what sight that is on the sa80 at 4:58?
A precious lessons and a teaching film
Anyone know the type of thermal imaging device they are using?
I think it is a passive scope and not thermal though i may be wrong as i do not recognize the one on the SLR. The night sights were green but larger and more sausage shaped. Anyone else know?
Box of OMO in the window of married quarters= Old Man Out
“On my own” as well.....
Superb upload!
1985 with the SA80? Hmmmmm.
About the time they were coming to units. I think we got them in 85 when at Bulford.
Thanks for sharing!
We used t change the locations of the majority of any flares or booby traps every night before daylight. We didn’t change some if there were indicators that they were compromised (smooth the dirt out, and a boot print or scuff marks) We’d add a new one or two around the area. Maybe add a bounding mine or two with trip wires. (Provided time) Just to say how ya doin! This way any previous patrols were out dated, and if they were careless….. Or an attacking force finding death were there wasn’t supposed to be will slow or stop an advance, and not to mention the moral will take a hit. Then you bring artillery and mortars on those areas while there confused. They take casualties and become more confused and the moral gets a even bigger nose dive. You put every possible way of violent death on them. The advance will stall, then stop, and recoil unorganised. If your troops are good. You will be able to counter attack on there heals and demoralise them more, and perhaps push them back. Combat is boredom, scared to death, confusion, shock, and fatigued, elation, and remorse when it’s over and your unhurt and alive. Each emotion is at 110% when you feel them. Then after your first battle you realise all the stupid things while training you did over and over until you’d think you’d puke was for muscle memory. Your body and you will just react to what you trained to do without giving it any thought almost. Then years later you wake up in the night freaking out for a few seconds. Most everyday yo wrestle with the demons in your mind from then. You hope when you stand for judgement you are forgiven for what you did. All war doesn’t solve anything really. It just sets the world up for the next ones. If we as a species decide that regardless of skin colour or beliefs that we are all brothers and sisters, and eliminated the need for a few to own all our world would be a beautiful place to be. If All the money spent on military budgets were to be put into irrigation systems, healthcare, medical research, and myriads of other such projects. Not one adult or child would die from starvation, diseases, and other solvable things. But greedy men want it all and truck the useless eaters. Why do you need a billion dollars? You’ll never spend that much in a lifetime. A child goes blind in a third world nation, while mr billionaire sits on his golden toilet. How wrong are we as a society? I hope that the bible is true. I truly do! How nice would it be to live in utopia with everyone having enough! No sorrow, tears, pain, diseases, and EVERYONE being equal! Sorry didn’t mean to get preachy. I’ll get off my high horse, and yes I’m as guilty as everyone else too. God bless you all that read this, and those that don’t.
Great upload thanks.
Does a standing patrol mean when potential enemy approaches are "guarded" by a section who patrol the mentioned areas and potential OP/ Defensive position? Great video!!!
typhon084 from what I remember a standing patrol, is obviously a patrol assigned to a set area to defend it.
forming up point !
how we aply it to law enforcement like a army
You notice the officer doesn’t have face camouflage? That because he’s WAY back behind the front. Now the captains and Louies, that a different story! They up with the NCO’s and privates. Us NCO’s are what makes the military’s of the world work. That’s where things get done! LEAD THE WAY!!!!!