Nah bro architect have building structure, building code, safety, physic and math class too they know what is possible and what is impossible. We deal with more shit that just drawing and imagining a house.
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architects don't just put "aesthetics" they DESIGN. Man people who arent into the field have no idea how much thinking is put in every single space we make. When i design i have to think about the plumbing, electricity, the structure, how the space will feel, the climate, the materials, and a lot more. Only mediocre architects go around throwing stuff without thinking in all the other fields that need to work together
He said it precisely architect asthetics , look feel and functionality. Why you getting salty ? Architects are actually overrated because to make design is not that difficult as implementing one. Architecture is an art , construction is science. Ofc architecture is not easy. It's competitive and compelling job. But to say it's difficult than constructing is nonsense. It's the construction guys who coordinate all . We can evaluate architects to fashion designers .
The comment section really shows how unaware people are about the construction industry. Nonetheless, the video was very accurate. When designing a building, making it structurally sound is just as important as making sure it functions properly. A project can completely fail if either engineers or architects fail to do their jobs properly. At the end of the day, even though both architects and civil engineers have to adhere to strict rules and regulations, every project is different and requires innovative problem-solving.
A structurally strong building with unmanaged function and space is still a failure as a building. Civil and architects work do overlap but their work and practice are completely different things. Stereotypes are cringing me out in this comment section.
Wait what. No. The architects not only focus on looks and aesthetics. They make sure all clearances for engineering aspects work in 3d space (mechanical, structural, plumbing/sanitary, etc.). Structural isn't only the technical part. The architects manages all these technical parts to make it work. Together with all these technical aspects, the architect is the only one who considers aesthetics.
Yeah, it isn't just aesthetics, but some architects talk like they could do everything and they can't (when it comes to structure and these things that are more civil engineering stuff). That's really nonsense and disrespectful because they are like: "we can do all that, so... Why civil engineers?". I literally heard that from an Italian student when I studied at an architecture faculty in Spain (exchange program). I was like "girl, I study 3 times more than you when it comes to structure design, soil mechanics etc... what the hell is wrong with you?" XD But of course an architect can work with that too IF he decides to do a master degree about that or more studies.
Idiot,architect is waste if there's no engineer you idiots man..Architect can't do what engineer does but engineer can do what architect does idiots, bubuuuuuu
I'm glad my architecture course in my uni is really diverse so I actually know a lot of construction and structural knowledge, I just got taught metallic structures (a los of physics) last semester and it's amazing, I make make structurally sound bridges now which is cool.
Please tell me you don't need to be excellent in maths and physics to be an architect 🙏🙏🙏🙏😢. Because I would really like to be an architect but I really struggle in those areas
@@lExN34 same here bud, I’m currently aiming to be an architect but I’ll take anything related to construction But the physics side of things in construction/architecture really freaks me out cause I’m terrible at it But hey cheers with hard work and determination surely it’s possible 🤷♂️
The comments section was boom😅😅😅😅 Architects vs Civil engineering...as an aspiring architect, I believe both deserve credit coz they simply complements each others work.👍👍👍👍
Architecture and civil engineering are like both sides of a coin, both depends on each other, so instead of blaming do respect, that's what wise people do.
ALLOW me to tell whosoever that is trying to join architectural engineering department that it is hard, tiresome but fun.... if you love and are interested in it, you’ll persevere through it and succeed.. it only takes commitment ❤️💯 it’s such a beautiful career tho
If you're an architect then you're probably has civil engineering friends, consult them first and probably their number, the jokes is architect dream is engineers nightmare.
@Lanslot yeah, focusing on structural integrity isn't what a building is all about. Architects specialize in the functionality of the structure to make sure that the users can use every space of the building efficiently.
as a US civil engineering junior who is planning on mastering in construction management, I will say that engineering is extremely tough and you should start it asap as the classes will require all of your time. However, engineering in the US is different from other countries so it might be easier if your not from the US, however if you dont go to school in the US for your civil engineering degree then you cant work as a civil engineer in the US.
@Lanslot I mean idk what your getting at besides that architecture can also be difficult, which I agree on. I have some friends who are architecture majors. As far as other engineering in other countries, I am speaking from the fact that you literally can not design structures in the US if you do not have an accredited engineering degree (which I believe is only available in the US) as well as taking the PE exam and having a license for it (which is only available for people who have lived in the US for at least a year, I believe). I don't know where your from or how long your schooling will usually take (3, 4, or 5 years), but in the US we have 4 years of engineering school (at best), with my freshman year being 2 classes on intro to engineering, physics 1, physics 2, Calc 2, Calc 3, Geology 101, and gen eds. Our freshman year isn't that intense (its the easiest year for engineers) but it really picks up during Sophomore year. This year I had, Materials, Fluids, Hydraulics, Structural analysis, Structural design, soils, foundations, transportation engineering, Engineer communications, mechanics of solids, and engineering statistics. Each one of these courses is 3-4 credits. This adds up to about 34 credits (hour credits) for the year. In short: Because engineering is very rigorous major I highly recommend anyone that plans on taking it to take it ASAP (before life and family get in the way)
There are many civil engineering structures that have no or minimal input from architects- hydraulic channel and chambers, Treatment works. drainage, cable support, etc towers,
Pursuing Degree of Bachelor of Science in Civil and Structural Engineering, and for sure the success of any high-rise building, bridge, airport, stadium, tarmac road, railway,dam and terminus to mention but a few, fully depends on structural soundness. Therefore, an Engineer holds promise to success of these structures! 💯
This is the comparison when they work together but the real separation between architect and civil engineers is architect is the basic and prime designer of a building where knowledge need 70,% about architecture and the civil engineer is the basic and prime designer of civil engineering and public structures mostly non habitable and 70,% Of tasks need civil engineering. They only work together in large projects where all of what you discussed separates their tasks but in small projects they can work alone and separated by the type of structures.
When the appearance/design of the building is praiseworthy they praise the architect but civil engineers made it happen. They compute everything, then if the code does not allow the design they redesign and compute it again, and there are times that structural engineering designs are often called as architectural design (to common people) but it actually has its purpose to make the building more durable to loads. Not bias but I think civil engineers, in my opinion, they are underrated.
most people don't even know what a civil engineer does. So I tell them to look at any public project or any structure and a civil engineer made that happen
@@zeppypacs7173 exactly, and I find it very funny. In the UK where I live, Architects are more renowned whereas Civil Engineers often ruled out by the public, and here in the Philippines where my birth country is, it's the other way around. I think it's a matter of public education because people tend to stick on what they can easily understand.
It's because people are intertwined with aesthetics. It's like looking at the outside appearance, not the internal bones and organs (which are very important of course). But, remove the skin, and that would not be nice looking (so it's best that both should be together). In reality building design is a collective effort by architects (architectural) and engineers (structural, plumbing, electrical, mechanical and electronics). The architects, as generalists, make sure that all solutions are seamless and integrated under one concept or many concepts. For instance, the structural engineer and sanitary engineer will submit respective plans to the architect. The function of the architect is to check whether plumbing solution is not in conflict with structural column like a septic tank's depth (plumbing), overlaps with column's footing. On this note, the architect will inform the sanitary engineer to revise/adjust the design due to structural conflict or it could be structural who will adjust, maybe due to a very limited lot size (no other area where septic tank can be moved/repositioned). And that is just one issue the architect will try to check (architects can read engineering plans because of academic and industry training). Be in the industry and you will see that we all compliment each other, we are all allies. :)
My family wants me to become a civil eng because my brother is studying architect, but structures are not my thing I can't imagine myself collaborating with him lolz. I ended up studying what I love which is chemicals!
We use structural engineers (specific speciality) for most of the designs they described actually. Civil on our projects is typically relegated to designing site work like drainage, sidewalks, parking, etc.. Also, if you're doing small construction like a single family house or a small commercial building with stud framing, we don't need an engineer to deal with the structure- architects are able to stamp light frame projects without an engineer. Also, the bit about ventilation in the end- electrical and mechanical engineers do that, not civil. It seems like the video is conflating what a civil engineer who designs a bridge or other piece of critical infrastructure would do with one specializing in building construction, as well as not completely getting into engineering specializations. A civil engineer that works with architects is [most often] an architect's sub-consultant and their work is somewhat less glamorous than what's being shown here. The rule of thumb I've always used for thinking about the scope of civil versus architect- civil does anything flat/horizontal, architect does anything vertical. Speaking as someone in architecture, with a brother in civil here
Civil engineering is a wide field, that's where you find structural engineering, Geotechnical Engineering, site engineering, Environmental Engineering , Transportation Engineering and so on. You just need to get a masters in one of those. This video is actually correct, a civil engineer is involved in major projects whether high rise or bridges or even as small as a house. Actually in university, Architecture students take some courses from the civil engineering department such as mechanics of materials, RCC, steel design etc...and no Civil Engineering students used to take any of their courses. I don't think an architect has got the capability to design and calculate all the forces pr moments involved in a big structure. What they do is just draw and imagine and a little of some calculations.
@@kawanulukama414 Right, but those are specializations, and require specific degrees- they're not plain vanilla "civil engineering." And a number of those degree regimens don't actually require civil as a pre-requisite for masters- some actually are taught at undergrad level as standalone degrees, others are closer to city/urban planning degrees (like transportation engineering), because they're more systems engineering. And as I said, we do the calculations/structure for small structures that do stud construction. If we're building a multistory building (basically anything with an elevator), we use structural engineers specifically- not civil. But there's a pretty good chance you'll work at an architecture firm that never even uses a structural engineer, given how many places specialize in single family construction or interior design where an engineer isn't needed. The issue with the video really is that it's just vague. It's more like a listicle or something you'd find on buzzfeed than somewhere I'd suggest a prospective college student look for career advice. It's not wrong so much as speaking in such generalities that you'd be in for a pretty big shock if you went to college and this was what informed your worldview of the professions.
@@kawanulukama414 that's what you think some architects do lots of calcations that a civil engineer can do,alot of universities teach that,but the hardest worker onsite is the construction workers they make it happen without them there's no building, road, bridge
If the building collapses what ever the reasons are, may it the workers fault or not, the engineer is the one who gets liable and guilty of the casualties. Say that again, who tf is the hardest workers in the project? The workers is only working during their shifts, but the engrs and archis are 24/7.
Architectural and civil engineering each profession complements the other there is no civilian without architect and no services without civil The civilian does not work to plan and guide the architect and we can build nothing unless this competence meets this competence.
@@stefanvermeer3209 a civil engineer can be an architect but an architect can't be an civil engineer. Check the syllabus itself it's easy to understand. Minimalist design can done by anyone who have transformation skill. But must say the taste of aesthetics gives their work a wow factor. These r my own opinions it may vary from people to people.
@@shilpisuseel2616 what a foolish answer.a civil engineer cant became an architect..its needed a five year process of jury works and an architect can work and have signature power in all over india.but a civil engineering only signing work in his state and civil engineers not have power for signing a large scale project like airport and large construction .the central government gived its power to architects.
@@shilpisuseel2616 what we learned is not sufficient is true ..its means we have to study the daily inventions in design..the modeling done by u and we have larger differences..for building anything people always go towards an architect ...not to a civil engineer..normally for building residence,now a days architects don't using a help of civil engineer... Ok then why lots of civil engineers are not getting jobs
I think people who try to compete here which one deserves more are forgetting that civil engineering derived from architecture back in the 1950 architects were the architectural engineers they did both. So lets appreciate both.
The architects and engineers proficiency determines how much work each do, a great architect will design a structure that’s beautiful and possible even in ways some engineers can’t imagine. When the architect is mediocre the civil engineer has to do most of the work and become the one that makes the architects dream a reality.
Architects to Engineers to Construction worker. Archutects and Engineer - Planning and implementing it to actual. Construction Worker - doing the impossible work coming from the two. FYI. Please highlight them we can't build building without them also.
Even if engineers and architecture use their educational resource but those are labours from whom our world has developed. Respect to every labours from around the world 🌎
It's pretty clear that 3rd world countries don't appreciate architects, that's why most of them go abroad to make beautiful buildings for other countries. Meanwhile the engineers in 3rd world countries struggle to copy famous structures and think it's architecture without even considering the site implications, urban planning, history, aesthetics, energy consumption, regionalism and climate typology.
As someone with experience in both, if you are in doubt. Go Architeture if you really want fame and feel like the boss. Go for Civil Engenieering, if you really like money more than fame (you can always become a wealthy developer down the line though) and if you want to be the leader since things going smoothly is on you most of the time. Don't go for Architeture if, you want to have a lot of money or free time Don't go for Civil Engineering if, you don't like having people lives depending on you doing a good job or if you don't like phisics, or chemistry, or people, or money.
People just don't appreciate all the works that goes into designing a building. Civil Engineers make what Architects image a reality, but the part of imagining is one hell of a task.
Im an architecture student but my former school didnt teach us anything they just expected us to design and thats it . They didnt even guide us maybe some teachers but some just sit there , also the architect i know didnt even help me when i need knowledge im just in my freshmen and never really interested at construction but as i grew up i started to be interested in it so i chose this path so i needed a foundation for knowledge but no one is want to help a few and im thabkful for their sharing but some doesnt even bother . I now mostly talk to engineers i learned from them especially my cousins , their all different types of engineers even my Dad . I hope my new school will guide me well in this journey to become an Architect.
Why do people confuse the two distinct professionals? Civil engineer is very different from architect. Architect main objective is to Design building concept according to client brief. He leads the construction team. Civil/structural engineer on the other side main objective is to make sure architect concept is structurally sound.
Here in our country, it'll take only 2 more years for a person with a degree in architecture to finish engineering and to be able to take licensure exam. But for a person with a degree in engineering, it'll take them 5 years to finish architecture. That's because architect studies everything related to construction. Everything starts from an architect.
As a professional civil engineer with 35 years experience in public,private & industry only time working with architects was in consulting projects doing land development, which they designed buildings & conceptual site layout. All other types of projects worked with other disciplined engineers. Working in nuclear industry was very interesting, transportation most satisfying.
Reality of life "Better action must start with a plan". and not just about drawing, it is the first step you need to follow to make everything in order, functionality and being essential.
Civil Engineering is the ultimate solution for mankind's need. People needs Engineers in every step of their life and find solutions for their Civil lifeline problems.
Architects use heart( Feels, function) while civil Engineers use brain(integrity) But here is the catch, there is a concept in this field called BIM which anonymously accepted by everyone to combine the works for easy work flow. It will probably take away what you call mind(integrity of building) to dust and only heart remains. Like having the birth of calculator instead of accountant in early days. Civil engineers will become only knowledged site engineer for overlooking the project on site. This is not a unreal thing to happen within 10 years. Funfact: BlenderBIM is an open source Emotion and art are the only thing can't be replicate.
Residential/other Buildings are just a tiny piece in civil engineering.civil engineering involves Water Resources, Environmental engineering, Railway engineering, tunnel engineering, highway engineering,Geotechnical engineering,etc.
In my 3 years of practice as an Architect, I realized that you should find a right Struc. Engineer for you to be able to make your vision into reality. It's like finding a soulmate(but work related) where you both easily understand each others perspective & work in sync.
There'so need for comparison. They both work together to give us the best structures that we have now. As an architecture student myself, i really admire engineers for all the complicated problems they are solving. However, architects are more than just designing. We learn engineering science too and proper space planning and plumbing. You may say that an engineer can design also, yes i agree but still, it is not comparable to the amazing designs of the architect.
But this is assuming that the only department in civil engineering is 'structural design'... We also have soil mechanics, Water resources, geotechnics and much more
Architects and engineers must work together for e better work, no architects can work alone and no engineer can do building designs that is why they are both important. Its just architects have more liability, responsibility and, yeah they get the credits for the building but they also get the blame if the building fails so..
@@run8024 Its amazingly absurd for you to think that architectural works are focused more on arts. That is why many occupants feel uncomfortable when an engineer designs alone.
We complement a building because of its architecture and the design not so for its structure or other technical stuff. It’s the first thing that we see basically
I think it's because the design was made by the architect: design meaning, he/she consulted the clients about their needs, wants, preferences, measurements, etc.; Also, as he/she is working on this "design concept", he/she is already considering the mechanical/electrical/plumbing,etc. aspects of the building/house. The architect will think about the dimensions of for example, hallways, which will be the best and safest for the users. He/she works together with the engineers and other professionals, while having in mind the respective laws which need to be considered.
This comment section turned out exactly what I thought it would be. Always a war between Civil Engineers and Architects (most of them are probably not even in the said fields). In all practicality though, both fields work in tandem especially on big projects. But on a much smaller scale such as housing, Architects are what most people would pick over Civil Engineers. Though I find it kinda sad that when a structure is built, most of the time, the names of the Architects are the ones being credited/honored while the Civil Engineers takes the fall if the structure fails within 50(?) years after its construction. Not to discredit the amazing Architects but that's just the truth (at least in the eyes of the CEs)
So civil engineers have a much more responsibility while monitoring the construction site, working with the architect, and making sure the building is provided with things that it needs. So basically like checking the architect blueprints/work and making sure everything is correct. So I would just hire a civil engineer for good that I can work with on the daily.
Engineers are the builders and make the architects dream to come true, but even before engineers build them, the architect have already made a walkthrough on their designs. Architects have a really deep imagination that engineers don’t, you sometimes see architect closing their eyes when drawing that’s because they’re walking inside their design with theor imagination. While engineers shares what the architects sees that others don’t. Most Engineers aren’t capable of doing what architects can. And some architects can’t do what engineers do. But when it comes on building the design, these two aren’t really having a good time building it. They sometimes argue on stuffs, because it’s true “and architects dream, is the engineers nightmare”... and sometimes the engineer can’t or don’t follow few of the design which will look disrespectful for the architects. And i know how disappointing it is to design for so many days and won’t be followed or designs specifically on what you wanted to eventually.
I never knew that there was so much tension between the two professions..... Can't we just design and build some shit instead of fighting over who does it better??
A commentary, thought or reaction video to “the Line” city project of Saudi Arabia would be cool. I think it’s very gimmicky and flashy but not really thought out.
Hello. I'm a first year electrical engineering student this year. Can you do relate it to how it's connected to other engineering profession like this. I want to know what to expect what will my job will be.
Thats not how it works 😂😂😂 i just graduated from architecture school😂 and i have friends who graduated in engineering. Architecture is about creativity coming up with a space that connects with the user. Engineering is about solving problems. Giving alternative solutions. So in this case if a beam should not go there then that is the problem the engineers must solve. An architect has some engineering knowledge as well and will usually not recommend a particular design solution if its impossible and without thinking of the structure themselves as well. I get the joke but i just wanted to clarify so people wouldnt think that the architect is a douche 😂😂😂 its just a vision and a quality of space that needs to be maintained is all.
I get the joke, but for the people who might misunderstand this, an architect comes up with a solution, together with the engineers. They should meet halfway. The architect also studied engineering mathematics (I know because I am currently studying it), that's why he/she isn't really ignorant about it.
@@angelicacomia4583 yes an architect does do crazy stuff but just crazy enough that they know it’s doable. Many times we make bones models and work with engineers to solve the problem. Its a back and forth compromise on how to solve the issue.
Brothers this kind of topics are like mac vs pc no conclusion! I can easily see the lack of knowledge in this video! It’s a civil oriented channel so he will definitely know about civil but, the architectural portion was really an outcome of less knowledge in that field. So don’t compare after watching such videos!
An engineer can't build without an architect So the architect is the main base the only thing is that an engineer knows all the calculation on building the house but they are both great love these jobs ❤😂
"Engineering, where the noble semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream. Hello, Oompa Loompas of science!" Dr. Sheldon Cooper
So many people are having an identity crisis here. Everyone has their roll in the industry. Civil is just one of many aspects a building needs to work like MEP, HVAC, etc. To be true contractors and labours are the people who work on site while in actuality engineers, architect and other consultants are part of the design and project management teams. Unless u r an on-site labour or a Contractor u don't talk shit about building stuff. No one who understands and works his job in the industry will say stupid stuff like these people in comments section.
I like you man you keep it real Architects are just simply Civil engineers who don't really like math , I'm about to choose a major and I'm stuck between the both , im average in math and good in physics so that's that , advise?
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So architects are dreamer and civil engineers make dreams come to reality... unsung heros...
Not accurate
Architects gain fame, civil engineers gain accidents.
@@unitedbeast6614 nah, what he's saying is accurate
The truth !
Nah bro architect have building structure, building code, safety, physic and math class too they know what is possible and what is impossible. We deal with more shit that just drawing and imagining a house.
Let's also keep in mind that the construction workers had took a great part in the project. Because without them their plans would not be possible.
yes, they are all a team. They all need each other
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Thats why they hire workers for it to be erect, they are compensated, after the work, they have no liabilities,no taxes ,no stress.
Literally not the focus of the video 🤣
Basically an architects dream is a civil engineers nightmare
And architects dream without civil engineers is impossible thing to do
Just dreaming is not enough. Bringing a structurally strong and a aesthetic building is important. Without civil engineer there is no building.
@@kaviyabalasubramanian2045 this is misleading architects can build also just not at large scales lol.
Stop with these stereotypes
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Let's not judge such things as how people are doing in comments... Both work deserves respect😊
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Probably an architect
@@rat7570 architect is loser,
@@rat7570 lmao
architects don't just put "aesthetics" they DESIGN. Man people who arent into the field have no idea how much thinking is put in every single space we make. When i design i have to think about the plumbing, electricity, the structure, how the space will feel, the climate, the materials, and a lot more. Only mediocre architects go around throwing stuff without thinking in all the other fields that need to work together
Exactly! Thank you. Any Architect would know that but sadly and weirdly, i dont think ‘civil mentors’ do
He said it precisely architect asthetics , look feel and functionality. Why you getting salty ? Architects are actually overrated because to make design is not that difficult as implementing one. Architecture is an art , construction is science. Ofc architecture is not easy. It's competitive and compelling job. But to say it's difficult than constructing is nonsense. It's the construction guys who coordinate all . We can evaluate architects to fashion designers .
@@MrVarunparmar its okay, i blame your ignorance for what you’re saying dear! Architects understand what we are talking about.
@@katiamrad9638 You didn't get my point. But meh , everyone knows where the real effort is. U can live in ur bubble.
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The comment section really shows how unaware people are about the construction industry. Nonetheless, the video was very accurate. When designing a building, making it structurally sound is just as important as making sure it functions properly. A project can completely fail if either engineers or architects fail to do their jobs properly. At the end of the day, even though both architects and civil engineers have to adhere to strict rules and regulations, every project is different and requires innovative problem-solving.
A structurally strong building with unmanaged function and space is still a failure as a building.
Civil and architects work do overlap but their work and practice are completely different things.
Stereotypes are cringing me out in this comment section.
for real lmfao these people in the comments def did not pass the vibe check
architect beta
Wait what. No. The architects not only focus on looks and aesthetics. They make sure all clearances for engineering aspects work in 3d space (mechanical, structural, plumbing/sanitary, etc.). Structural isn't only the technical part. The architects manages all these technical parts to make it work.
Together with all these technical aspects, the architect is the only one who considers aesthetics.
Exactly. Architects must know a bit of everything to make it work. But engineers take responsibility to make the structure work.
Yeah, it isn't just aesthetics, but some architects talk like they could do everything and they can't (when it comes to structure and these things that are more civil engineering stuff). That's really nonsense and disrespectful because they are like: "we can do all that, so... Why civil engineers?". I literally heard that from an Italian student when I studied at an architecture faculty in Spain (exchange program). I was like "girl, I study 3 times more than you when it comes to structure design, soil mechanics etc... what the hell is wrong with you?" XD But of course an architect can work with that too IF he decides to do a master degree about that or more studies.
Idiot,architect is waste if there's no engineer you idiots man..Architect can't do what engineer does but engineer can do what architect does idiots, bubuuuuuu
@@rafaellecavalcanti9446 I usaly hear civil engineers saying they should phase out architects tho
@@mr.bantozay1783 huh
I'm glad my architecture course in my uni is really diverse so I actually know a lot of construction and structural knowledge, I just got taught metallic structures (a los of physics) last semester and it's amazing, I make make structurally sound bridges now which is cool.
Please tell me you don't need to be excellent in maths and physics to be an architect 🙏🙏🙏🙏😢. Because I would really like to be an architect but I really struggle in those areas
@@lExN34 in b.arch there is maths and physics which the subject known as structure
@@travellover6674 Thanks for your reply. Is the structure subject manageable enough for someone who is average in maths and physics?
@@lExN34 same here bud, I’m currently aiming to be an architect but I’ll take anything related to construction
But the physics side of things in construction/architecture really freaks me out cause I’m terrible at it
But hey cheers with hard work and determination surely it’s possible 🤷♂️
hey which uni do you go to? I'd love to know!
The comments section was boom😅😅😅😅 Architects vs Civil engineering...as an aspiring architect, I believe both deserve credit coz they simply complements each others work.👍👍👍👍
Architecture and civil engineering are like both sides of a coin, both depends on each other, so instead of blaming do respect, that's what wise people do.
When the building succesfull : people's says, who's the architect ?
When the building collapse :people's says who's the civil engineer ?
Jokes on you, the architect is called first
@@DoubleU-YT1 dude, the building is calculated by engineer , the engineer jobs is make sure that building posible or not to build.
@@DoubleU-YT1 never in any country an architect it held accountable for failed buildings
ALLOW me to tell whosoever that is trying to join architectural engineering department that it is hard, tiresome but fun.... if you love and are interested in it, you’ll persevere through it and succeed.. it only takes commitment ❤️💯 it’s such a beautiful career tho
How about as architectural designer? I would like to be one in future
I think ill learn the engineering path after finishing my architecture degree, seems interesting
If you're an architect then you're probably has civil engineering friends, consult them first and probably their number, the jokes is architect dream is engineers nightmare.
@@Kevin-fj5oe Yup thats the truth there are 100s of buildings in which the architect did lots n lots of mistakes.
@Lanslot yeah, focusing on structural integrity isn't what a building is all about. Architects specialize in the functionality of the structure to make sure that the users can use every space of the building efficiently.
as a US civil engineering junior who is planning on mastering in construction management, I will say that engineering is extremely tough and you should start it asap as the classes will require all of your time.
However, engineering in the US is different from other countries so it might be easier if your not from the US, however if you dont go to school in the US for your civil engineering degree then you cant work as a civil engineer in the US.
@Lanslot I mean idk what your getting at besides that architecture can also be difficult, which I agree on. I have some friends who are architecture majors.
As far as other engineering in other countries, I am speaking from the fact that you literally can not design structures in the US if you do not have an accredited engineering degree (which I believe is only available in the US) as well as taking the PE exam and having a license for it (which is only available for people who have lived in the US for at least a year, I believe).
I don't know where your from or how long your schooling will usually take (3, 4, or 5 years), but in the US we have 4 years of engineering school (at best), with my freshman year being 2 classes on intro to engineering, physics 1, physics 2, Calc 2, Calc 3, Geology 101, and gen eds. Our freshman year isn't that intense (its the easiest year for engineers) but it really picks up during Sophomore year.
This year I had, Materials, Fluids, Hydraulics, Structural analysis, Structural design, soils, foundations, transportation engineering, Engineer communications, mechanics of solids, and engineering statistics. Each one of these courses is 3-4 credits. This adds up to about 34 credits (hour credits) for the year.
In short: Because engineering is very rigorous major I highly recommend anyone that plans on taking it to take it ASAP (before life and family get in the way)
There are many civil engineering structures that have no or minimal input from architects- hydraulic channel and chambers, Treatment works. drainage, cable support, etc towers,
Pursuing Degree of Bachelor of Science in Civil and Structural Engineering, and for sure the success of any high-rise building, bridge, airport, stadium, tarmac road, railway,dam and terminus to mention but a few, fully depends on structural soundness. Therefore, an Engineer holds promise to success of these structures! 💯
This is the comparison when they work together but the real separation between architect and civil engineers is architect is the basic and prime designer of a building where knowledge need 70,% about architecture and the civil engineer is the basic and prime designer of civil engineering and public structures mostly non habitable and 70,% Of tasks need civil engineering. They only work together in large projects where all of what you discussed separates their tasks but in small projects they can work alone and separated by the type of structures.
This video make my confusion free
Thank you sir❣️
When the appearance/design of the building is praiseworthy they praise the architect but civil engineers made it happen. They compute everything, then if the code does not allow the design they redesign and compute it again, and there are times that structural engineering designs are often called as architectural design (to common people) but it actually has its purpose to make the building more durable to loads.
Not bias but I think civil engineers, in my opinion, they are underrated.
most people don't even know what a civil engineer does. So I tell them to look at any public project or any structure and a civil engineer made that happen
architects are underrated in the Philippines. Civil engineers are rather known to be designers than an architect
@@zeppypacs7173 exactly, and I find it very funny. In the UK where I live, Architects are more renowned whereas Civil Engineers often ruled out by the public, and here in the Philippines where my birth country is, it's the other way around. I think it's a matter of public education because people tend to stick on what they can easily understand.
@@monet3773 Sad to say as an aspiring architect myself but our laws are always favorable for civil engineers and always been.
It's because people are intertwined with aesthetics. It's like looking at the outside appearance, not the internal bones and organs (which are very important of course). But, remove the skin, and that would not be nice looking (so it's best that both should be together). In reality building design is a collective effort by architects (architectural) and engineers (structural, plumbing, electrical, mechanical and electronics). The architects, as generalists, make sure that all solutions are seamless and integrated under one concept or many concepts. For instance, the structural engineer and sanitary engineer will submit respective plans to the architect. The function of the architect is to check whether plumbing solution is not in conflict with structural column like a septic tank's depth (plumbing), overlaps with column's footing. On this note, the architect will inform the sanitary engineer to revise/adjust the design due to structural conflict or it could be structural who will adjust, maybe due to a very limited lot size (no other area where septic tank can be moved/repositioned). And that is just one issue the architect will try to check (architects can read engineering plans because of academic and industry training). Be in the industry and you will see that we all compliment each other, we are all allies. :)
My family wants me to become a civil eng because my brother is studying architect, but structures are not my thing I can't imagine myself collaborating with him lolz. I ended up studying what I love which is chemicals!
Aerospace engineers build the missiles and civil engineers build the targets.
@@apocritus2900 dont worry the missiles will make it brighter 👍
Also the house your mum lives in
We use structural engineers (specific speciality) for most of the designs they described actually. Civil on our projects is typically relegated to designing site work like drainage, sidewalks, parking, etc.. Also, if you're doing small construction like a single family house or a small commercial building with stud framing, we don't need an engineer to deal with the structure- architects are able to stamp light frame projects without an engineer. Also, the bit about ventilation in the end- electrical and mechanical engineers do that, not civil.
It seems like the video is conflating what a civil engineer who designs a bridge or other piece of critical infrastructure would do with one specializing in building construction, as well as not completely getting into engineering specializations. A civil engineer that works with architects is [most often] an architect's sub-consultant and their work is somewhat less glamorous than what's being shown here. The rule of thumb I've always used for thinking about the scope of civil versus architect- civil does anything flat/horizontal, architect does anything vertical. Speaking as someone in architecture, with a brother in civil here
Civil engineering is a wide field, that's where you find structural engineering, Geotechnical Engineering, site engineering, Environmental Engineering , Transportation Engineering and so on. You just need to get a masters in one of those. This video is actually correct, a civil engineer is involved in major projects whether high rise or bridges or even as small as a house. Actually in university, Architecture students take some courses from the civil engineering department such as mechanics of materials, RCC, steel design etc...and no Civil Engineering students used to take any of their courses. I don't think an architect has got the capability to design and calculate all the forces pr moments involved in a big structure. What they do is just draw and imagine and a little of some calculations.
@@kawanulukama414 Right, but those are specializations, and require specific degrees- they're not plain vanilla "civil engineering." And a number of those degree regimens don't actually require civil as a pre-requisite for masters- some actually are taught at undergrad level as standalone degrees, others are closer to city/urban planning degrees (like transportation engineering), because they're more systems engineering.
And as I said, we do the calculations/structure for small structures that do stud construction. If we're building a multistory building (basically anything with an elevator), we use structural engineers specifically- not civil. But there's a pretty good chance you'll work at an architecture firm that never even uses a structural engineer, given how many places specialize in single family construction or interior design where an engineer isn't needed.
The issue with the video really is that it's just vague. It's more like a listicle or something you'd find on buzzfeed than somewhere I'd suggest a prospective college student look for career advice. It's not wrong so much as speaking in such generalities that you'd be in for a pretty big shock if you went to college and this was what informed your worldview of the professions.
@@kawanulukama414 that's what you think some architects do lots of calcations that a civil engineer can do,alot of universities teach that,but the hardest worker onsite is the construction workers they make it happen without them there's no building, road, bridge
If the building collapses what ever the reasons are, may it the workers fault or not, the engineer is the one who gets liable and guilty of the casualties. Say that again, who tf is the hardest workers in the project? The workers is only working during their shifts, but the engrs and archis are 24/7.
@@janmeyen8227 a structural engineer is a civil engineer, i am one too
Architectural and civil engineering each profession complements the other there is no civilian without architect and no services without civil The civilian does not work to plan and guide the architect and we can build nothing unless this competence meets this competence.
is it possible to be an architect and civil engineer so that you can plan, design and have everything built
@@stefanvermeer3209Creativity and excellence in one field is better than being normal in two fields
@@stefanvermeer3209 a civil engineer can be an architect but an architect can't be an civil engineer.
Check the syllabus itself it's easy to understand.
Minimalist design can done by anyone who have transformation skill.
But must say the taste of aesthetics gives their work a wow factor.
These r my own opinions it may vary from people to people.
@@shilpisuseel2616 what a foolish answer.a civil engineer cant became an architect..its needed a five year process of jury works and an architect can work and have signature power in all over india.but a civil engineering only signing work in his state and civil engineers not have power for signing a large scale project like airport and large construction .the central government gived its power to architects.
@@shilpisuseel2616 what we learned is not sufficient is true ..its means we have to study the daily inventions in design..the modeling done by u and we have larger differences..for building anything people always go towards an architect ...not to a civil engineer..normally for building residence,now a days architects don't using a help of civil engineer...
Ok then why lots of civil engineers are not getting jobs
I think people who try to compete here which one deserves more are forgetting that civil engineering derived from architecture back in the 1950 architects were the architectural engineers they did both. So lets appreciate both.
Civil Engineers are masters of Theory of Structures ❤️
The architects and engineers proficiency determines how much work each do, a great architect will design a structure that’s beautiful and possible even in ways some engineers can’t imagine. When the architect is mediocre the civil engineer has to do most of the work and become the one that makes the architects dream a reality.
Architects to Engineers to Construction worker.
Archutects and Engineer - Planning and implementing it to actual.
Construction Worker - doing the impossible work coming from the two.
FYI. Please highlight them we can't build building without them also.
Good clear video on two very important construction roles. Very true in all aspects.
Even if engineers and architecture use their educational resource but those are labours from whom our world has developed.
Respect to every labours from around the world 🌎
For all the people say "architect's dream"
It's not their dream
It's the owner's dream
Some projects are nightmares for both parts
Definitely a thumbs up.
FOR REALLL!
It's pretty clear that 3rd world countries don't appreciate architects, that's why most of them go abroad to make beautiful buildings for other countries. Meanwhile the engineers in 3rd world countries struggle to copy famous structures and think it's architecture without even considering the site implications, urban planning, history, aesthetics, energy consumption, regionalism and climate typology.
As someone with experience in both, if you are in doubt.
Go Architeture if you really want fame and feel like the boss.
Go for Civil Engenieering, if you really like money more than fame (you can always become a wealthy developer down the line though) and if you want to be the leader since things going smoothly is on you most of the time.
Don't go for Architeture if, you want to have a lot of money or free time
Don't go for Civil Engineering if, you don't like having people lives depending on you doing a good job or if you don't like phisics, or chemistry, or people, or money.
People just don't appreciate all the works that goes into designing a building. Civil Engineers make what Architects image a reality, but the part of imagining is one hell of a task.
Im an architecture student but my former school didnt teach us anything they just expected us to design and thats it . They didnt even guide us maybe some teachers but some just sit there , also the architect i know didnt even help me when i need knowledge im just in my freshmen and never really interested at construction but as i grew up i started to be interested in it so i chose this path so i needed a foundation for knowledge but no one is want to help a few and im thabkful for their sharing but some doesnt even bother . I now mostly talk to engineers i learned from them especially my cousins , their all different types of engineers even my Dad . I hope my new school will guide me well in this journey to become an Architect.
Architect: Function
Engineer: Structurally Sound
doing both is so tough. 10 years... but i love this area :(
Why do people confuse the two distinct professionals? Civil engineer is very different from architect. Architect main objective is to Design building concept according to client brief. He leads the construction team. Civil/structural engineer on the other side main objective is to make sure architect concept is structurally sound.
Here in our country, it'll take only 2 more years for a person with a degree in architecture to finish engineering and to be able to take licensure exam. But for a person with a degree in engineering, it'll take them 5 years to finish architecture. That's because architect studies everything related to construction. Everything starts from an architect.
Exactly. But they made it look like its the opposite of this in the video for some reason
haha
Which country and degree is this?
As a professional civil engineer with 35 years experience in public,private & industry only time working with architects was in consulting projects doing land development, which they designed buildings & conceptual site layout. All other types of projects worked with other disciplined engineers. Working in nuclear industry was very interesting, transportation most satisfying.
Reality of life
"Better action must start with a plan". and not just about drawing, it is the first step you need to follow to make everything in order, functionality and being essential.
Architects need civil engineers
Civil engineers don’t need architects
We can all design structures, civil engineers can design with costs in mind
"Architecture is the populism of engineering"
- civil engineers when working with non collaborative architects probably
Civil Engineering anytime!!!
Architects aren’t only designers, usually they Plan way more
Civil Engineering is the ultimate solution for mankind's need. People needs Engineers in every step of their life and find solutions for their Civil lifeline problems.
"Engineering, where the noble semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream.
Hello, Oompa Loompas of science!"
Architects use heart( Feels, function) while civil Engineers use brain(integrity)
But here is the catch, there is a concept in this field called BIM which anonymously accepted by everyone to combine the works for easy work flow. It will probably take away what you call mind(integrity of building) to dust and only heart remains.
Like having the birth of calculator instead of accountant in early days.
Civil engineers will become only knowledged site engineer for overlooking the project on site.
This is not a unreal thing to happen within 10 years.
Funfact: BlenderBIM is an open source
Emotion and art are the only thing can't be replicate.
hope to one day become a brilliant and famous engineer 👷🏿♀️ inchalaah
Proud to be a civil engineer
This man makes sure he exhaust his Soteyblocks subscription.
Residential/other Buildings are just a tiny piece in civil engineering.civil engineering involves Water Resources, Environmental engineering, Railway engineering, tunnel engineering, highway engineering,Geotechnical engineering,etc.
The builders are thr actual heroes.
In my 3 years of practice as an Architect, I realized that you should find a right Struc. Engineer for you to be able to make your vision into reality. It's like finding a soulmate(but work related) where you both easily understand each others perspective & work in sync.
The fact that some famous buildings are made from 2 people
Also I didn't forget the people who actually put it piece by piece
What could be the solution for waterlogging on Delhi NCR roads? How can the rainwater collected on the roads be removed or utilized more effectively?
Everybody can make bridge standing, but only engineers can make bridge barely standing.
Comment section---> War between BE &Arch students 😂😂😂😂
There'so need for comparison. They both work together to give us the best structures that we have now. As an architecture student myself, i really admire engineers for all the complicated problems they are solving. However, architects are more than just designing. We learn engineering science too and proper space planning and plumbing. You may say that an engineer can design also, yes i agree but still, it is not comparable to the amazing designs of the architect.
You are so awesome.
Oohhhh, we drew this our first activity. So niceeeeeee
But this is assuming that the only department in civil engineering is 'structural design'...
We also have soil mechanics, Water resources, geotechnics and much more
Architects and engineers must work together for e better work, no architects can work alone and no engineer can do building designs that is why they are both important. Its just architects have more liability, responsibility and, yeah they get the credits for the building but they also get the blame if the building fails so..
@@run8024 Its amazingly absurd for you to think that architectural works are focused more on arts. That is why many occupants feel uncomfortable when an engineer designs alone.
@@run8024 the other way around - I dont need an civil to design a simple house - but the civil needs me as an architect to stamp his plans
hello, i'm just curious. why is it architects are the one getting the fame most of the time and not civil engineers?
I think people tend to ask
"Who design this building?" than "Who made this building?" if they like the certain building or structure.
We complement a building because of its architecture and the design not so for its structure or other technical stuff. It’s the first thing that we see basically
Anyone without a background in engineering don't know what goes on behind the scenes
I think it's because the design was made by the architect: design meaning, he/she consulted the clients about their needs, wants, preferences, measurements, etc.; Also, as he/she is working on this "design concept", he/she is already considering the mechanical/electrical/plumbing,etc. aspects of the building/house. The architect will think about the dimensions of for example, hallways, which will be the best and safest for the users. He/she works together with the engineers and other professionals, while having in mind the respective laws which need to be considered.
It’s like reading a book, most want to know the author not the editor.
This comment section turned out exactly what I thought it would be. Always a war between Civil Engineers and Architects (most of them are probably not even in the said fields). In all practicality though, both fields work in tandem especially on big projects. But on a much smaller scale such as housing, Architects are what most people would pick over Civil Engineers.
Though I find it kinda sad that when a structure is built, most of the time, the names of the Architects are the ones being credited/honored while the Civil Engineers takes the fall if the structure fails within 50(?) years after its construction. Not to discredit the amazing Architects but that's just the truth (at least in the eyes of the CEs)
I'm proud to be civil engineering ☺️
Couldn’t handle electrical, eh?
Rephrase the sentence to "What's it like being an Architect or a Civil Engineer" always lead the Architect because his the Master Builder.
So civil engineers have a much more responsibility while monitoring the construction site, working with the architect, and making sure the building is provided with things that it needs. So basically like checking the architect blueprints/work and making sure everything is correct. So I would just hire a civil engineer for good that I can work with on the daily.
As a Architecture student, any type of Engineers are coolest and important. 🧠 🤝🏻
Engineers are the builders and make the architects dream to come true, but even before engineers build them, the architect have already made a walkthrough on their designs. Architects have a really deep imagination that engineers don’t, you sometimes see architect closing their eyes when drawing that’s because they’re walking inside their design with theor imagination. While engineers shares what the architects sees that others don’t. Most Engineers aren’t capable of doing what architects can. And some architects can’t do what engineers do. But when it comes on building the design, these two aren’t really having a good time building it. They sometimes argue on stuffs, because it’s true “and architects dream, is the engineers nightmare”... and sometimes the engineer can’t or don’t follow few of the design which will look disrespectful for the architects. And i know how disappointing it is to design for so many days and won’t be followed or designs specifically on what you wanted to eventually.
I never knew that there was so much tension between the two professions..... Can't we just design and build some shit instead of fighting over who does it better??
Love it. Thank you
Without civil engineers, architects can only dream 😢
I love your Channel.
Thank you from the video
Architects are UI/UX designers while civil engineers are coders.
A commentary, thought or reaction video to “the Line” city project of Saudi Arabia would be cool.
I think it’s very gimmicky and flashy but not really thought out.
In the UK, everyone thinks the architect does everything.
Architect: make things look cool
Engineer: make cool looking things work
This amputee is in the book of mathematics in Jordan.
Architecture ❤️
Think like this:
Architect = The Conductor
Technical Engineers = every musical instrument operator.
I think it's more like
Architect= the composer
Engineer= the conductor
Orchestra= the workforce
Just my opinion tho
Thank goodness
Hello. I'm a first year electrical engineering student this year. Can you do relate it to how it's connected to other engineering profession like this. I want to know what to expect what will my job will be.
“No architect, we need to have a support beam here”
“But it won’t look right!”
“The 300 dead bodies from the building collapsing won’t look right”
Thats not how it works 😂😂😂 i just graduated from architecture school😂 and i have friends who graduated in engineering. Architecture is about creativity coming up with a space that connects with the user. Engineering is about solving problems. Giving alternative solutions. So in this case if a beam should not go there then that is the problem the engineers must solve. An architect has some engineering knowledge as well and will usually not recommend a particular design solution if its impossible and without thinking of the structure themselves as well. I get the joke but i just wanted to clarify so people wouldnt think that the architect is a douche 😂😂😂 its just a vision and a quality of space that needs to be maintained is all.
You clearly do not understand a thing in this industry
I get the joke, but for the people who might misunderstand this, an architect comes up with a solution, together with the engineers. They should meet halfway. The architect also studied engineering mathematics (I know because I am currently studying it), that's why he/she isn't really ignorant about it.
@@angelicacomia4583 yes an architect does do crazy stuff but just crazy enough that they know it’s doable. Many times we make bones models and work with engineers to solve the problem. Its a back and forth compromise on how to solve the issue.
Hey. We Architecture Student Study Reinforced Concrete Design too.
Brothers this kind of topics are like mac vs pc no conclusion!
I can easily see the lack of knowledge in this video! It’s a civil oriented channel so he will definitely know about civil but, the architectural portion was really an outcome of less knowledge in that field. So don’t compare after watching such videos!
5:03 anyone know where that is ?
Thank you for this video
good information. I liked it
Final, without each other (also construction workers) a buildings wouldn't be built.
Why are architects famous and civil engineers not?
Same reason why we have Jordan's and not Chinese factory worker 11's
An engineer can't build without an architect So the architect is the main base the only thing is that an engineer knows all the calculation on building the house but they are both great love these jobs ❤😂
do you need to be good at drawing when you want to take civil engineering??
No
No need for sure
no.
A bit little
what about the engineer-architect?
"An architect's dream, an engineer's nightmare" unknown person
"Engineering, where the noble semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream.
Hello, Oompa Loompas of science!" Dr. Sheldon Cooper
So many people are having an identity crisis here. Everyone has their roll in the industry. Civil is just one of many aspects a building needs to work like MEP, HVAC, etc. To be true contractors and labours are the people who work on site while in actuality engineers, architect and other consultants are part of the design and project management teams. Unless u r an on-site labour or a Contractor u don't talk shit about building stuff. No one who understands and works his job in the industry will say stupid stuff like these people in comments section.
So civil engineers are the producers and architects are the rappers
Wtf
Nope, rappers don't deal with laws, client demands, publicity, etc in a sense that architects do, so weird comparison
Some people are really funny 😅😅😅😅
Civil engineers can't be the producer that's the construction workers,they are the hardest working ones on site
That is wonderful, I am also civil Engineer😶🌟
Civil engineer is an architect and much much more
I like you man you keep it real
Architects are just simply Civil engineers who don't really like math , I'm about to choose a major and I'm stuck between the both , im average in math and good in physics so that's that , advise?
Architects also need to be good in math
they are both important.
can a structure engineer also design the detail asthetic of building?
"Architects dream are Civil Engineers nightmare" as what tthey said😂 it's true tho.