Thanks again for a great shoutout! I'm quite surprised the weight of the molten steel didn't stop the carbon foam from properly forming. Impressive test, and surprising result even to me.
Good to see you here! I think you've started a new youtube trend with your starlite recipe. can't wait to see your next video, they are always a pleasant surprise.
@@chadatchison145 Yes I will be making more videos and more versions of the mixture. I've been out of town since shortly after my last video but am now getting back to work. I might make a video on a different subject before another starlite video.
Reminds me of Starset, a hard/electronic rock band. Honestly though the name sounds more like it'd be for an electronicore or electronic power metal band than death metal.
@@barbarianaggressor879 i think that's the funniest part about it. it's so simple, and in cooking when the bottom of a pan scorches the top stops cooking from a similar effect i believe. I think that the original inventor kept it such a tight secret because it was embarrassing to him that the formula was a kitchen recipe and not an incomprehensible advancement in chemical science and engineering. He impressed NASA! As long as no one ever knew, he could maintain "genius" status forever even after death! maybe that's the real genius
Prebaking the starlite in low heat oven with premixed baking soda in the glue could make it transparent. I was able to get some semi transparent goo by accident.
if you bake it you can leave the glue out and replace it with just water since you'll be making jello out of it and with the soda in it you could be left with the same properties as this starlite just a stiffer material.
@@digitalwojtya3669 Regular white (PVA) glue mixed with water as I did not have enough. As jklw10 suggests above the glue is probably not even needed. Mixing with water will probably make it too crumbly at some point (without heating).
@@WorldofKlown Cork has also been used for spacecraft heat shields; it's low density gives it good insulative/ablative properties. I'm not sure if a cork crucible could be managed, but it'd be interesting to see.
@@WorldofKlown I've even used wood as a mould to cast metal. Admittedly it was only pewter (low melting temperature), and the mould did burn, but it worked better than you might expect.
So ballsy. There's a 5-gallon bucket of thermite on the table, and he casually walks in with molten remnants, in an experimental crucible, on a cardboard tray...
“Holy shit! It actually works!” By far the best commentary yet. No question- Lauri and Anni are awesome! I really enjoy how the results of The experiments you guys perform are just as curious to you as well as us👍
can't use starlite either. The stuff has no mechanical properties. It would just disintegrate with the slightest bit of force. That is why Ward could never interest anyone.
And don't make your heat shield out of water-saturated materials! Vacuum + water + time = no more water. Without evaporative cooling, the carbohydrates [flour] will simply burn rather than foam. No carbon foam, no insulation. Water-gel is what Laurie used to set his head on fire; he didn't feel any heat until the stuff was drying out. Again, how does one prevent the heat-shield from losing moisture? How would you know it was sound at re-entry time? If it goes into space, and your life depends on it, it better be stable in any environment.
@@pirobot668beta Actually, the baking soda mixed in creates the CO2 gas that drives the foaming process as it heats. Pyrolysis of starch releases oxygen and hydrogen which can react together to make water.
@@marks6663 Well, it's similar to ablative cork. In order to use cork as a TPS, it has to be integrated with some kind of mesh for better structural properties. Has anyone tried to mix glass fibers to add strength? Or maybe make a laminate using starlite-analog as a binder?
I'm very impressed Lauri/Annie,I thought for sure the thermite would have burned completely through,I was even more impressed when you touched the container bare handed without any issues with it at all.
You could probably make it more dense if you were careful about it, but if it dries out it will stop working completely. The moisture in it is key to how it works in stopping heat.
@@doomyboi "if it dries out it will stop working completely" ummm ummm did you not watch a video about how this works? do you no understand the heat conduction properties of water and why there is no water in a space shuttle tile? what you meant to say was "once this completely dries out it will become its most efficient, as a heat shield."
@@doomyboi people have tried it with completely dry versions of it and it worked just fine. Just saw some dude put a super dry piece of this stuff in the middle of a pile of termite (i.e. surrounded by it) and it radiated heat so much that the termite beneath it wouldn't even ignite. And the piece was cool to touch when there was still molten metal.
Starlite's composition is a closely guarded secret, but it is said to contain a variety of organic polymers and co-polymers with both organic and inorganic additives, including borates and small quantities of ceramics and other special barrier ingredients - up to 21 in all. Perhaps uniquely for a material claimed to be thermal and blast-proof, it is claimed to be not entirely inorganic but up to 90 percent organic.[7] Nicola McDermott, Ward's youngest daughter, stated that Starlite is 'natural' and edible, and that it has been fed to dogs and horses without ill effects.[8] In 2018, RUclipsr NightHawkinLight demonstrated how to produce a material with characteristics very similar to Starlite by mixing corn starch, baking soda and PVA glue, and mentioned that flour and other types of glue could be used as alternative ingredients.[9]
Thank you. This answers one of the questions I posted to NightHawkInLight. I approximate that 1 centimeter of Starlite can withstand 2500 degrees (Celsius) for about a minute before failure. I considered the startlite failed because the bottom registered 200 degrees at the end of the minute which means it is not a heat insulator anymore. Impressive none the less.
My first thought when you were putting the thermite into the starlight crucible was "holy shit that's a lot of thermite there's no way it can survive". Boy was I wrong. This stuff is amazing! And to my knowledge, nobody on RUclips besides you guys have pitted it against thermite yet. Great content!
having done a few things with thermite in the past, I am SIGNIFICANTLY impressed by how well this mixture held up. if it can handle direct contact with 4000F molten iron, I think using it in a gas based furnace would work just fine.
Also considering the future, insulating steel beams with a layer of such materials as corn starch, baking soda and glue can't be prohibitively expensive.
@@TK8866275 If some company gets to charge 5000000$/lb for the stuff, it gets very expensive very fast. Construction industry is full of backpatting...
TK8866275 however like the real starlite it would break down in months become useless and create a huge mess. That is the reason starlite never had any real applications.
I like that you gave credit to the channel, Night Hawk, that this originated from. I tried the 9 parts Corn Starch to 1 Baking Soda, but in one batch I added some laundry additive "Borax." I also used condensed milk instead of White Glue and it seemed more durable.
Such a simple basic formula for starlite; corn flour, baking soda and glue. The original stuff was painted onto an egg with a brush so the binding agent must have been something other than glue or maybe there was an additional ingredient to make it easier to apply. It's really interesting stuff to play with!
I watched the original Starlite documentary back in the 80s and the guy would never sell the recipe. This is the first time I've seen an attempt to make it again. This could have saved lives for the passed 30 years! If it was only corn starch, baking soda and glue, how the hell is it not in every home as an insulator? I'm really happy I found your channel. Have you tried coating an egg and blasting it with a flame to show that it is still raw inside? The documentary had a laser that burned itself out trying to make startlite even a little bit hot.
Is it stronger than the material used to insulate the wall of a tiny foundry like you used to heat "red hot steel" ? The comparaison of both against thermite would be interesting as hell !
It's pretty amazing really. Think of the heat a crucible in a foundry loses thanks to thermal conductivity. Apart from the obvious uses for this stuff, as an insulator in a crucible, it would make foundries much more efficient.
Try putting this stuff in a vacuum chamber or desiccator for a few days; drive out ALL the water, see if it still works. Water carries away a lot of heat, and as long there is water present, the internal temperature of the stuff can't get above 100C. Bread dough + sodium salts...Playdough(tm) works the same way! Sodium salts LOVE water, and are loath to part with it unless there is a lot of heat present. Seriously, I have used Playdough(tm) while oxy-gas welding to protect a soldered-on part that was near the weld. Hey, Laurie! Wasn't it some kind of water-gel that kept your head from burning up the other day? Evaporative cooling, they call it.
My recommendation for the future with temperature checking is run a long wire lead and have a cheap thermal probe taped against the bottom of something like that. That way if it does fail/get destroyed you're not out a lot of money. And the reading you get can be fairly reliable.
AvE made carbon foam crucible from a bread(basically just burned it in a sealed box, without oxygen). Now if you did the same to a toast, it might withstand the thermite, it would be interesting to see it.
The starlight seems to be a better insulator than the crucible, but the crucible (I could be wrong) appears to be more resiliant, like it does break up with the heat. So what if you had a lamination if crucible material as the first barrier and then starlight material as the second. Would it compare to the tiles on the space shuttle?
Starlite's more like an ablative heatshield, where the graphite crucible is more of a thermal balancer. Both types of heat shielding were used on the shuttle in different areas depending on the stresses they were subjected to; Scott Manley did a great video on the subject just last week actually, also mentioning Starlite: ruclips.net/video/hLHo9ZM3Bis/видео.html
Pretty sure that Starlite was very loosely based on the ablative Apollo reentry capsule heat shield. The timing lines up, Maurice invented it in the early 1970s. Starlite is an ablative, whereas the Shuttle tiles don't ablate. But starlite isn't as good as even the Apollo heat shield in one key regard- that shield was shelf-stable, whereas Starlite seems to physically degrade after a few weeks.
It doesn't degrade that fast at least not in house room temperature, I've made one to test it has been a month. Everyday I'm bored I put fire into it with a torch, I think it got black a little faster and less insulation but not that much difference, still pretty kicking. I added gelatine in the mix too, you can use sugar. It seem it added more resistance to degradation than the default recipe.
For temperatures on stuff like the bottom of these, you should buy some cheap Chinese digital thermocouple displays. They're accurate enough, and cost under $4 so it doesn't matter if thermite lands on them. Search on eBay/Aliexpress for TM902C (buy a cheap roll of heat resistant kapton tape too to attach the sensor to hotter stuff)
Try making the starlite with a different glue such as PVP to see if you can replicate the original video from the inventor on the egg because it didn't turn brown or black with the heat. A hydrocarbon adhesive that evaporates the delivery chemical away might be able to maintain the original appearance longer and it would be interesting to see either way. Try the same recipe substituting hairspray for the other glue and see what the result is. The original inventor was a barber so he would have been around that stuff a lot and might have inspired the invention in some way as well so I think it is worth trying. In fact I might give it a try myself but I don't have thermite to play with so it wouldn't be as interesting.
Davis King check the original video, the coating does char, see here: ruclips.net/video/Y7yVqY-z3fY/видео.html I agree though, lots of things to try out there,
You could test the temperature on the under bottom side of the starlite by dropping a drop of water. It would indicate if its above or bellow 100 celsius
Facinating video. I did not expect the starlight to work so effectively. Did the thermite residue cool down more quickly than in the graphite? As for the bread I suspect that sugars are why it burnt so well and for polystyrene the hydro carbons ...
crush the starlite to see it's new properties and then try this and other experiments again. Also try multi layering starlite and other thinks then crush it... look forward to this upcoming awesome video
If you mad another round of starlite containers, may I suggest pushing the material between a set of dies or forms, like a pair of tupperware containers to make the wall thickness a bit more consistent. I'm definitely going to have to mess with this stuff some.
I'm glad to know starlite has basically been recreated, and to know that even if it had been released to the public before, it would haven't made any real difference at all in terms of technology.
@@Beyondthepress Yeah! Pressed toilet paper would also be really fun to see. I think that can hold up quite well since paper contains a lot of carbon and when it's hard pressed it will probably stay strong enough to not fall apart when it turns into carbon by the heat, haha :) The insulating properties is probably not as good as the "starlite" though (since the carbon layer will be much more compact).
Hi there! Just a minor complain: sound in videos filmed in old workshop is better than in the new one, suppose because new workshop is smaller and quite empty so echo can be heard. Try putting some boxes arround to elliminate echo. Or try to move a bit away from the wall when filming if possible.
Modify the binders in the mix. Additional stuff to make the material more plastic, or easier to form, act more like a paint-on coating, or to limit the spalling of the expanding part when it burns off. (Understandably the expanding when it heats is part of the insulating mechanism, but it does seem to crack or break up a bit.) Maybe adding borax or boric acid, various silicates, or perhaps other carbon sources besides or in addition to corn starch? What would be useful to doctor the formula a bit? Thus see if it's possible to make it a bit more usable/durable as a material while still maintaining its desirable thermal insulation property.
great demonstration! It would be interesting how cork holds up against thermite because cork was used as heat sheld on space crafts for protection at atmospheric entry.
Here's a couple for the thermite, from my dad's Air Force career: a procedure to destroy a filing cabinet filled with classified documents in case you were getting overrun by the enemy or something: 2x thermite grenades (don't know how much these had but a rough estimate's fine), one in top drawer and one in drawer one up from ground. Close drawers & run away. It would be interesting to see the results. The other one is a lot funnier, perhaps... "Army Coffee": a 55-gallon drum of water and a large can of coffee grounds plus a thermite grenade. It did produce coffee, allegedly, although it was said to have a metallic taste.
Two very fascinating substances (almost)Starlight vs Thermite finally coming together. i like that idea, altho proper Starlight should be nearly immure to heat even in thin coating. possibly not very long lasting but thats irrelevant for such mad sustance.
I think some ceramic stuff could add some structure to this. It's maybe bit too weak after it's burned to foam. Or maybe some fibers that can take lot of heat... ASBESTOS! :D
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Wait, What happens when you mix Thermite with Ice/Water?
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hoe-lee sheet
It would explode I think. Super dangerous
snap crackle boom.
Steam explosion lol
Thanks again for a great shoutout! I'm quite surprised the weight of the molten steel didn't stop the carbon foam from properly forming. Impressive test, and surprising result even to me.
NightHawkinLight Are you going to make anymore starlight videos, have you tinkered with the recipe?
Good to see you here! I think you've started a new youtube trend with your starlite recipe. can't wait to see your next video, they are always a pleasant surprise.
@@chadatchison145 Yes I will be making more videos and more versions of the mixture. I've been out of town since shortly after my last video but am now getting back to work. I might make a video on a different subject before another starlite video.
@@Nighthawkinlight I look forward to all your videos so make whatever, i'll watch them regardless. :)
Dude I'm so happy you're here commenting. And I love your videos - you should end more of your videos with the parrot!
Starlite Crucible sounds like the name of a death metal band 😂
Fuck yeah
Reminds me of Starset, a hard/electronic rock band.
Honestly though the name sounds more like it'd be for an electronicore or electronic power metal band than death metal.
Sounds more like prog rock/metal to me.
Jeje's Bizore Adventir Starlite Crucible
Used to be a radio contest - Rock band or race horse. Starlight crucible could be a horse name.
You know this is probably the first time I’ve seen thermite actually being stopped
It surprised me.
containing thermite isn't that hard. Just normally that is not what you want - or at the very least not what you want for a youTube video.
@@ABaumstumpf it is with only a centimeter of material you jackass
@@barbarianaggressor879 i think that's the funniest part about it. it's so simple, and in cooking when the bottom of a pan scorches the top stops cooking from a similar effect i believe.
I think that the original inventor kept it such a tight secret because it was embarrassing to him that the formula was a kitchen recipe and not an incomprehensible advancement in chemical science and engineering.
He impressed NASA! As long as no one ever knew, he could maintain "genius" status forever even after death! maybe that's the real genius
@@enchiladaplatter1 the original starlite was likely not a kitchen recipe, it can just be made with things in the kitchen
Prebaking the starlite in low heat oven with premixed baking soda in the glue could make it transparent. I was able to get some semi transparent goo by accident.
if you bake it you can leave the glue out and replace it with just water since you'll be making jello out of it and with the soda in it you could be left with the same properties as this starlite just a stiffer material.
Make a video showing that m8 plz
what glue did you use
@@couterei.1953 me too^
@@digitalwojtya3669 Regular white (PVA) glue mixed with water as I did not have enough. As jklw10 suggests above the glue is probably not even needed. Mixing with water will probably make it too crumbly at some point (without heating).
I think my favorite part about these videos are how good of a relationship they have. They seem so happy
Ani seems particularly happy in this one.
Two really good friends and partners that love destroying things.
Get a loaf of bread and burn it into carbon foam first, then try it with the thermite.
Yes, with hollowed out center like a boat.
AvE has done a good video on that if someone is interested. It's called "Carbon Foam: an incredible material made from everyday items"
@@Atticblur I saw that one before. It was good. Thanks.
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What about Vegemite ??
Mmmm... thermite on toast, breakfast of champions
The British have Marmite, the Australians have Vegemite, the Finnish have Thermite.
Pros: you'll grow healthy and strong.
Cons: Your toilet may clog with metal shards.
In one word: SISU!
"How do you like your toast?" Extra crispy with a hint of slag.
@@Runoratsu And the Americans have Tannerite.
To credit NightHawkInLight for the recipe, I think we should call this NightLite.
Billy Sugger - others have suggested Hawklite, which I like too
I concur
orcoastgreenman - I don’t know, I think I like nightlite better
Well there's no guarantee he was the first who came up with it, and he didn't patent it. We should call it "StarchLite"
A piece of wood with the same thickness of the tests you did would be interesting as a comparison.
Hardwoods are surprisingly resilient. The Chinese used hardwood for ablative reentry shielding on some craft en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanhui_Shi_Weixing
@@WorldofKlown Yes, exactly.
baltic birch plywood would be interesting too
@@WorldofKlown Cork has also been used for spacecraft heat shields; it's low density gives it good insulative/ablative properties.
I'm not sure if a cork crucible could be managed, but it'd be interesting to see.
@@WorldofKlown I've even used wood as a mould to cast metal. Admittedly it was only pewter (low melting temperature), and the mould did burn, but it worked better than you might expect.
"Yeah, this doesn't do shit. I'll test with snow" XD
So ballsy. There's a 5-gallon bucket of thermite on the table, and he casually walks in with molten remnants, in an experimental crucible, on a cardboard tray...
@@sketch2620 just 1 ember and kapow molten metal flying everywhere
I love that you don't fuck around and just get right to the experiment. Love your channel!
“Holy shit! It actually works!” By far the best commentary yet. No question- Lauri and Anni are awesome! I really enjoy how the results of The experiments you guys perform are just as curious to you as well as us👍
I’m so glad Night’s video blew up and inspired all these youtubers to make Starlite. Well done to all of you! 👏🏻
To improve effectiveness of Starlite, try adding sodium silicate to make silica char instead of regular char. Result will be stiffer foam.
What we learn from this video: If you build a spacecraft, don't use bread or papercups to construct a heatshield.
can't use starlite either. The stuff has no mechanical properties. It would just disintegrate with the slightest bit of force. That is why Ward could never interest anyone.
And don't make your heat shield out of water-saturated materials!
Vacuum + water + time = no more water.
Without evaporative cooling, the carbohydrates [flour] will simply burn rather than foam.
No carbon foam, no insulation.
Water-gel is what Laurie used to set his head on fire; he didn't feel any heat until the stuff was drying out.
Again, how does one prevent the heat-shield from losing moisture?
How would you know it was sound at re-entry time?
If it goes into space, and your life depends on it, it better be stable in any environment.
If you make your heat shield out of bread, you'll be toast!
@@pirobot668beta Actually, the baking soda mixed in creates the CO2 gas that drives the foaming process as it heats. Pyrolysis of starch releases oxygen and hydrogen which can react together to make water.
@@marks6663 Well, it's similar to ablative cork. In order to use cork as a TPS, it has to be integrated with some kind of mesh for better structural properties. Has anyone tried to mix glass fibers to add strength? Or maybe make a laminate using starlite-analog as a binder?
You guys just seem like really good genuine people! Your channel is growing!! Stay humble ! Congrats on your current/future success
I'm very impressed Lauri/Annie,I thought for sure the thermite would have burned completely through,I was even more impressed when you touched the container bare handed without any issues with it at all.
Put the starlight in the press! - I also wonder if you can make the starlight more dense by compressing it while it dries.
Actually, that would be an interesting idea to try, hope they see this, compress it down and see how it changes the reaction.
My guess is that it will be like their playdoh creations as it is quite putty like when not fully dry.
You could probably make it more dense if you were careful about it, but if it dries out it will stop working completely. The moisture in it is key to how it works in stopping heat.
@@doomyboi "if it dries out it will stop working completely"
ummm
ummm
did you not watch a video about how this works? do you no understand the heat conduction properties of water and why there is no water in a space shuttle tile?
what you meant to say was
"once this completely dries out it will become its most efficient, as a heat shield."
@@doomyboi people have tried it with completely dry versions of it and it worked just fine. Just saw some dude put a super dry piece of this stuff in the middle of a pile of termite (i.e. surrounded by it) and it radiated heat so much that the termite beneath it wouldn't even ignite. And the piece was cool to touch when there was still molten metal.
Snow = Finnish Thermal Camera xD
Thank you for an impressive demonstration!
Starlite's composition is a closely guarded secret, but it is said to contain a variety of organic polymers and co-polymers with both organic and inorganic additives, including borates and small quantities of ceramics and other special barrier ingredients - up to 21 in all. Perhaps uniquely for a material claimed to be thermal and blast-proof, it is claimed to be not entirely inorganic but up to 90 percent organic.[7]
Nicola McDermott, Ward's youngest daughter, stated that Starlite is 'natural' and edible, and that it has been fed to dogs and horses without ill effects.[8]
In 2018, RUclipsr NightHawkinLight demonstrated how to produce a material with characteristics very similar to Starlite by mixing corn starch, baking soda and PVA glue, and mentioned that flour and other types of glue could be used as alternative ingredients.[9]
I had the same results , thanks for posting ,your editing is better than any attempt I could do
So Finish Space Programm is coming
The reentry heat shields are ready!
unless if Jebediah Finnman puts the Ladders on the Hatches
Great video, thanks for all the experiments you 2 do. Very informative and educational 😎
Thank you. This answers one of the questions I posted to NightHawkInLight. I approximate that 1 centimeter of Starlite can withstand 2500 degrees (Celsius) for about a minute before failure. I considered the startlite failed because the bottom registered 200 degrees at the end of the minute which means it is not a heat insulator anymore. Impressive none the less.
You guys are amazing your content is always on point, fun, instructive and scientific. You are the RUclips I have always wished for
This is great! I enjoyed the nighthawk video about starlight as well and it's fun to see others testing the idea as well. Thanks for uploading!
Holy shiet - I was not expecting that to work. That is amazing.
I'm so impressed the starlight held up! Awesome video!
My first thought when you were putting the thermite into the starlight crucible was "holy shit that's a lot of thermite there's no way it can survive". Boy was I wrong. This stuff is amazing! And to my knowledge, nobody on RUclips besides you guys have pitted it against thermite yet. Great content!
When i first heared about starlite, i hoped someone would make a video like this GREAT!!! :)
that seems to work a lot better than the usual flower pot method, which tends to crack. That's impressive
Really impressed with the RUclips Starlite equivalent. Nice video, guys.
Marttiini knives are the best. We love them here in the US also. Prrrrrretttty goooood.
Legionitalia I have one of those as well.
That was an awful lot of thermite vs. the starlite. Pretty awesome
having done a few things with thermite in the past, I am SIGNIFICANTLY impressed by how well this mixture held up. if it can handle direct contact with 4000F molten iron, I think using it in a gas based furnace would work just fine.
I’ve waited all week for this video! Yes!
the charcoaled starlite looks just like the perfect finnish sausage.
I have heard of beginning sausage, but never finish sausage
Holy shit, I didn't expect it to hold up so well! The Starlite was like "thermite? Whatever, I don't give a shit"
Thermite fuel can't melt starlite beams.
Also considering the future, insulating steel beams with a layer of such materials as corn starch, baking soda and glue can't be prohibitively expensive.
@@TK8866275 Might give you corrosion problems though, depending on how hygroscopic the mixture is…
@@TK8866275 If some company gets to charge 5000000$/lb for the stuff, it gets very expensive very fast. Construction industry is full of backpatting...
@TK8866275 That's a really interesting thought. I think it might go mouldy though.
TK8866275 however like the real starlite it would break down in months become useless and create a huge mess. That is the reason starlite never had any real applications.
Very impressive, and also that the Starlite vessel maintained some flexibility even after the experiment as you cut through it.
So how did you deal with the snow dump truck? It was obviously very dangerous and could attack at any moment.
Pretty amazing! I didn't think it would survive.
GREAT video guys! VERY interesting!
NightHawkInLight really opened a new world with his personal starlight mix
The potential for this is so huge, and the best thing is that anyone can make it.
I like that you gave credit to the channel, Night Hawk, that this originated from. I tried the 9 parts Corn Starch to 1 Baking Soda, but in one batch I added some laundry additive "Borax." I also used condensed milk instead of White Glue and it seemed more durable.
Standing indoors with the red hot starlite ccrucible right next to the big open bucket of thermite... I admire your courage, Lauri! :)
Such a simple basic formula for starlite; corn flour, baking soda and glue. The original stuff was painted onto an egg with a brush so the binding agent must have been something other than glue or maybe there was an additional ingredient to make it easier to apply. It's really interesting stuff to play with!
Thank you for this ALOT!💪💓🎩
I watched the original Starlite documentary back in the 80s and the guy would never sell the recipe. This is the first time I've seen an attempt to make it again. This could have saved lives for the passed 30 years! If it was only corn starch, baking soda and glue, how the hell is it not in every home as an insulator? I'm really happy I found your channel. Have you tried coating an egg and blasting it with a flame to show that it is still raw inside? The documentary had a laser that burned itself out trying to make startlite even a little bit hot.
Is it stronger than the material used to insulate the wall of a tiny foundry like you used to heat "red hot steel" ? The comparaison of both against thermite would be interesting as hell !
It's pretty amazing really. Think of the heat a crucible in a foundry loses thanks to thermal conductivity.
Apart from the obvious uses for this stuff, as an insulator in a crucible, it would make foundries much more efficient.
"Holy shit that's bright!" Lol, good stuff, thanks for the vid!
It is star bright!
Try putting this stuff in a vacuum chamber or desiccator for a few days; drive out ALL the water, see if it still works.
Water carries away a lot of heat, and as long there is water present, the internal temperature of the stuff can't get above 100C.
Bread dough + sodium salts...Playdough(tm) works the same way! Sodium salts LOVE water, and are loath to part with it unless there is a lot of heat present.
Seriously, I have used Playdough(tm) while oxy-gas welding to protect a soldered-on part that was near the weld.
Hey, Laurie! Wasn't it some kind of water-gel that kept your head from burning up the other day?
Evaporative cooling, they call it.
That's actually incredible
My recommendation for the future with temperature checking is run a long wire lead and have a cheap thermal probe taped against the bottom of something like that. That way if it does fail/get destroyed you're not out a lot of money. And the reading you get can be fairly reliable.
Handheld infrared thermometer with laser pointer would be nice. It doesn't have to touch whatever is being measured. 😀
You can also now use this as a funnel for other videos
AvE made carbon foam crucible from a bread(basically just burned it in a sealed box, without oxygen). Now if you did the same to a toast, it might withstand the thermite, it would be interesting to see it.
Saw that, wonder bread, I think. Looked like it was about the same as starlight.
The starlight seems to be a better insulator than the crucible, but the crucible (I could be wrong) appears to be more resiliant, like it does break up with the heat. So what if you had a lamination if crucible material as the first barrier and then starlight material as the second. Would it compare to the tiles on the space shuttle?
Starlite's more like an ablative heatshield, where the graphite crucible is more of a thermal balancer. Both types of heat shielding were used on the shuttle in different areas depending on the stresses they were subjected to; Scott Manley did a great video on the subject just last week actually, also mentioning Starlite: ruclips.net/video/hLHo9ZM3Bis/видео.html
Pretty sure that Starlite was very loosely based on the ablative Apollo reentry capsule heat shield. The timing lines up, Maurice invented it in the early 1970s. Starlite is an ablative, whereas the Shuttle tiles don't ablate. But starlite isn't as good as even the Apollo heat shield in one key regard- that shield was shelf-stable, whereas Starlite seems to physically degrade after a few weeks.
It doesn't degrade that fast at least not in house room temperature, I've made one to test it has been a month. Everyday I'm bored I put fire into it with a torch, I think it got black a little faster and less insulation but not that much difference, still pretty kicking. I added gelatine in the mix too, you can use sugar. It seem it added more resistance to degradation than the default recipe.
@@bcoronga Interesting. Still, it apparently degrades. Any idea what any of the degradation modes would be?
I would it may bio-degrade. If totally dry, it may last longer? or a retardant added?
For temperatures on stuff like the bottom of these, you should buy some cheap Chinese digital thermocouple displays. They're accurate enough, and cost under $4 so it doesn't matter if thermite lands on them.
Search on eBay/Aliexpress for TM902C
(buy a cheap roll of heat resistant kapton tape too to attach the sensor to hotter stuff)
Try making the starlite with a different glue such as PVP to see if you can replicate the original video from the inventor on the egg because it didn't turn brown or black with the heat. A hydrocarbon adhesive that evaporates the delivery chemical away might be able to maintain the original appearance longer and it would be interesting to see either way. Try the same recipe substituting hairspray for the other glue and see what the result is. The original inventor was a barber so he would have been around that stuff a lot and might have inspired the invention in some way as well so I think it is worth trying. In fact I might give it a try myself but I don't have thermite to play with so it wouldn't be as interesting.
buy some powdered aluminium and iron online.
Pls send update if you do. I want to see if I should recommend using it for thin paint between fuel tanks on chinooks and main hull.
Davis King check the original video, the coating does char, see here: ruclips.net/video/Y7yVqY-z3fY/видео.html I agree though, lots of things to try out there,
Lauri and Anni accidentally created ablative shielding for the Finnish Space Program. "Spaceship Management by Perkele" is now assigned to HPC/BTP.
You could test the temperature on the under bottom side of the starlite by dropping a drop of water. It would indicate if its above or bellow 100 celsius
Great job guys I thought it would go through I was wrong.
woahhhhh that performs better than I could've hoped.
Congratulations on Finland winning the World Junior Championship in hockey!!
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Big weekend for Finland. First wining the World Junior tournament, then a major announcement from the Finnish Space Program!
Facinating video. I did not expect the starlight to work so effectively. Did the thermite residue cool down more quickly than in the graphite?
As for the bread I suspect that sugars are why it burnt so well and for polystyrene the hydro carbons ...
crush the starlite to see it's new properties and then try this and other experiments again. Also try multi layering starlite and other thinks then crush it... look forward to this upcoming awesome video
I love the way he says starlight
If you mad another round of starlite containers, may I suggest pushing the material between a set of dies or forms, like a pair of tupperware containers to make the wall thickness a bit more consistent.
I'm definitely going to have to mess with this stuff some.
Congrats on the World Junior Hockey gold medal!
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Great Part 2 video guys!
I sell most of these ingredients in work... I think I'm going to have to try it!
I'm glad to know starlite has basically been recreated, and to know that even if it had been released to the public before, it would haven't made any real difference at all in terms of technology.
Pretty amazing to see anything stand up to thermite, even if only barely.
I think I have to test some other materials high in carbon also. I think wooden bowl could be pretty good also
@@Beyondthepress Yeah! Pressed toilet paper would also be really fun to see. I think that can hold up quite well since paper contains a lot of carbon and when it's hard pressed it will probably stay strong enough to not fall apart when it turns into carbon by the heat, haha :) The insulating properties is probably not as good as the "starlite" though (since the carbon layer will be much more compact).
Love your crazy videos. And most of all your accent, I would love to visit your country one day.
Carbon foam with Nutella - my favorite.
Simply amazing!
I think we can all agree, that wood platform on the ground is the real winner.
Awesome, thanks for answering my question.
That new material is amazing
Using sparkler sticks as a fuse is crazy. Love it
Hi there! Just a minor complain: sound in videos filmed in old workshop is better than in the new one, suppose because new workshop is smaller and quite empty so echo can be heard. Try putting some boxes arround to elliminate echo. Or try to move a bit away from the wall when filming if possible.
amazing material! could change the world!
Dude your mid is awesome ! NASA would like your receipt for sure ! Man thermite didn’t kill your star lite ! That’s awesome your rich
Very good starlite material.
You make good videos with no bullshit
Modify the binders in the mix. Additional stuff to make the material more plastic, or easier to form, act more like a paint-on coating, or to limit the spalling of the expanding part when it burns off. (Understandably the expanding when it heats is part of the insulating mechanism, but it does seem to crack or break up a bit.)
Maybe adding borax or boric acid, various silicates, or perhaps other carbon sources besides or in addition to corn starch? What would be useful to doctor the formula a bit?
Thus see if it's possible to make it a bit more usable/durable as a material while still maintaining its desirable thermal insulation property.
Great work!
,, and the sparkling sticks......''
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great demonstration!
It would be interesting how cork holds up against thermite because cork was used as heat sheld on space crafts for protection at atmospheric entry.
You guys rock!
Doom guy spreads his toast with thermite
You are doing good videos and again it made my day thank you
Here's a couple for the thermite, from my dad's Air Force career: a procedure to destroy a filing cabinet filled with classified documents in case you were getting overrun by the enemy or something: 2x thermite grenades (don't know how much these had but a rough estimate's fine), one in top drawer and one in drawer one up from ground. Close drawers & run away. It would be interesting to see the results. The other one is a lot funnier, perhaps... "Army Coffee": a 55-gallon drum of water and a large can of coffee grounds plus a thermite grenade. It did produce coffee, allegedly, although it was said to have a metallic taste.
Hmm... snow dump site, and I recall you saying you had a LOT of Thermite to experiment with...
Two very fascinating substances (almost)Starlight vs Thermite finally coming together.
i like that idea, altho proper Starlight should be nearly immure to heat even in thin coating. possibly not very long lasting but thats irrelevant for such mad sustance.
Hmmm. Try mixing potato starch, baking soda, ceramic dust and glue?
I think some ceramic stuff could add some structure to this. It's maybe bit too weak after it's burned to foam. Or maybe some fibers that can take lot of heat... ASBESTOS! :D
@@Beyondthepress carbon fiber?