Not sure how we have not commented on this before now! Thank you so much to Matt for downloading and donating the footage shown at 6:10 (there was more) which is a rare glimpse of our original Museum in St. George's Church, Brentford before we moved to our new purpose-built location over 15 years ago. We really appreciated the time you took to do this for our tiny charity, as we have no video records from this time. The footage is now on our channel (MusicalMuseumLive), and safely backed up in our archive on several different digital media. Thanks also to Sam (from YT channel ThisMuseumIsNotObsolete) who introduced us to Matt!
Indeed, elaborate and impractical. But solves a minor issue. Does anyone remember the Sony Mavica digital camera? Storing photos on a floppy disk was brilliant when nobody was using USB sockets.
Just like Minidisc, It wasn't Sony's idea. They just copied and shrunk the airborne recorders used by the military. Those systems were almost the same. By eliminating the removable tape, it was smaller, more rugged, and could be environmentally sealed.
I've never heard of this before. However, I must say I would have probably liked it back in 2000. Even as far back as that, I was using a Hi-8 camcorder and as soon as I would record some footage, I would use a video capture card and pull it into my computer. That's how I kept all of my home movies back then. And then, I would simply re-use the same cassette over and over again until it wore out. And since I would have captured it straight to my PC, it wouldn't have had as much degradation as going to VHS. Honestly, I think the video quality looks pretty good compared to the Hi-8 camera I was using at the time. So I guess I would give this device a thumbs up. But I know my usage case would have not been the norm in 2000.
@ropersonline Even if they were to make a HDD for it, I bet it would still be analog rather than digital. There were analog disc formats before - look up "Video Floppy" or "Mavipak".
That's still how I do things. 1080p video the way my phone records it is a bit much for my wee SD card, so I get out my Canon ZR-200, set it to 16:9 and LP mode and have fun whenever I need to record something longer than ten minutes. I've only got three tapes though, so I'll do an SP-speed dub to a videotape for safety, and then dub the footage to a PC and reuse the MiniDV tape.
You are like the Wikipedia of old items and videos. Its amazing to see old tech and how it compares with today. Keep it up - enjoying every single video you throw at us.
I've got some early digital camera photos from a trip down there to go to the millennium dome (quite possibly what the Ruvi tape was meant for?) and, well, it looks very similar :D Though that IS down to the the CCDs of the time being uniformly hopeless. £700, that thing cost the school my mum taught at, all 1.3 megapixels of it, but you'd throw away a webcam or phone that produced images of that quality nowadays. Just, like, straight in the bin. It was a poor contender even against my 110-format film camera, the only benefit really being the ability to delete and re-shoot, as well as to insert pictures into Word documents without having to develop and scan them (which is what I borrowed it for, and what I bought my own first digital camera for about 3 years later ... £200, 2mpx, and general image quality that stomped all over the earlier model... probably saved me £300 in 35mm film and processing alone, plus the time that would have been spent waiting for the development and then putting them in a scanner) As in washed out but muddy at the same time, poorly focussed at the edges no matter what you did (because the electronics cost so much they ended up skimping on the optics... oh dear), and really, really, REALLY bad colour reproduction. All that and tiny memory cards plus deathly slow serial interfacing. No wonder we were skeptical of the idea at first...
At least you can buy adaptors for the Memory Stick, like one that gives you 2 microSD slots. But the Vita is a bigger offender because is expensive and smaller than a microSD
Damn straight bloody stupid vita. I have one, still haven't gotten around to buying a memory card for it. I'm gona end up spending more on the card than I did buying the vita :(
The best part is, that if they had just made it all into the unit and used a new format of tape it could have been smaller. The extra case and parts to make the cartridge was a waste of space.
Agreee, just switching to miniDV tape would likely make the camera a bit smaller. Also, that amount of tape would likely last at least 45, if not 60 minutes.
Well yes, but without experimentation there's no future progress... and we can see the current solid state flash drives packaged in a similar cartridge like form factor (sans the crazy tape system ; )
@@electrictroy2010 yes I bought my first mini camcorder back in 1988 it was a Magnavox VHS -c model. Back then it was $400 at "nobody beats the The wiz"electronic store in New York City. BTW: brought one of these RUVIs for $135 around 2000 at PC Richards store. Cuz all those other small camcorders were like he said hundreds of dollars more. I got it right before 911 and recorded all these ash covered people walking looking pretty exhausted and stressed along the waterfront highway coming from from downtown where the disaster happened
I've still got my sony ruvi ,when I purchased it back in the 90's ,I thought it was amazing and much more pocket friendly than all other camcorders, never went out of focus unlike all the other cameras I had, picture quality was very good on my unit in good light , the Sony cartridges cost £75 each and yes I did buy one , I never thought I would see another one let alone a review. thanks tech moan.
Hey, during the footage it shows Gloucester quays before the gentrification. The red brick warehouses in the background and the boats are all familiar, and all the stills are around Gloucester and Cheltenham too.
Techmoan I wasn't complaining about your wrinkled shirt. God knows I'm the last man to harp on that! Just trying to point out that even when it seems to be progress it ain't necessarily so. ;->
No i understand, it's like the problemsTV presenters had with the introduction of HD where their old caked on orange makeup was no longer suitable and then again more recently with 4K where set designers have to make a bit more effort, as every scene can be paused and examined in detail - an old Gillette razor will no longer cut it as a communicator vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f9/QuiGon_hush98.jpg
Yes, some things were never meant to be seen in HD, let alone 4k. Take star trek TNG. They did video compositing on tape for that originally, so it couldn't be shown in HD. But since most of the source footage (including many effects shots) was on film, they were able to make a 1080p bluray release by redoing all the editing and compositing. All well and good, and it actually looks quite impressive. Plus, many things are surprisingly detailed. However, many things are not. And sometimes it's really obvious how fake various props or scenery elements actually are. Amongst other things, it also tends to be super-obvious when they switch from a 'hero' prop to a cheaper stunt or background version. (witness Geordi's visor going from one made of metal with some kind of gemstone/crystal on the sides, to one made of plastic with hologram stickers and back again. Or the obviously fake hand phasers, and so on.) Some things were not meant for HD, and some of course, took a while to figure out in the transition era.
Love the channel! Your expositions on old odd Consumer Electronics raise nostalgic memories of my grandfather, who loved to tinker with video and audio stuff all through my childhood. We grabbed a Philco v1100 VHS VCR/Tank the week they came out which I think still works, and I am sitting here in front of a sony MDP 700 Laserdisc multi format player which he owned. I've got an older Sansui Receiver in the bedroom and a closet full of live Minidisc recordings. I feel ya. This Ruvi thing is just the kind of Sony headscratcher that made me fall in love with them so early on. Every once in a while they hit a home run and sometimes they release a still-born product like this. Anyway, kudos from across the pond.
Q) Why are there no muppets in this video? A) They don't appear in every video - they just come out when something 'amusing' comes to mind for them to express. Today - I have nothing. Writer's block. --techmoan description
Good to see the mechanical music museum by Kew bridge in the crumbling church it used to be in. It now has a purpose designed building. Well worth a visit.
I remember my dad and my uncle back in the day both warred over camera gear, and both ended up getting this $1200 Sony Hi-8 model. The most interesting thing about those cameras was they had infrared video transmission via a receiver connected to the TV. I remember my dad building a special little shelf for the camcorder to sit on above the couch so he didn't have to have it on his lap while playing home videos. Then I bought a Mini DV model from Panasonic off eBay a few years later which blew those two cameras out of the water, and both my uncle and my dad weren't very happy with their cameras any more. Shortly thereafter though solid state cameras became a thing and we all got 3 megapixel point and shoots that also did VGA video and we thought that was awesome.
At 6:17 you can see a rather peculiar looking wooden cabinet with some upside down violins inside it. For anyone wondering, that is actually an extremely old self playing violin (one instrument for each string, thus why it contains 4). You can find an in depth video on the "Wintergatan" RUclips channel - interesting stuff. I like to think that the machine in the home video is the one in Wintergatan's video before it was restored.
Just have to say I'm loving watching your videos. This one was particularly funny, loved the rant at the end. You are so entertaining and witty especially when reviewing some "bad" tech. What on earth do you do with all the stuff you get on ebay and the new equipment that isnt even very good? Surely you dont keep it all, do you just sell it again or give it/throw some of it away eventually?
6:13 A 1947 Seeburg trashcan Jukebox! I used to have one of those, wish I never would have sold it. Loved the thing, super cool and unique. Nice little find on that 20 year old home video :-)
My hi8 Sony camcorder of 1993 was able to fit in a bum bag, was hifi stereo and would record 180 minutes on lp. The quality was excellent. Lovely machine. I don't think full size VHS was still rented out in the late nineties. We recoded my degree ceremony on one in 1986.
Those people who had rented VHS camcorders on their shoulders in Disney in Florida in 1996 must have just been in my imagination. I suppose this was when the hallucinations started.
Techmoan BTW the vhs c camcorder was shown in Back to the Future in 1985. I suspect the Americans you remember were using very old tech... I visited Florida in 1993 and 1994 and never saw an old school full size vhs camcorder... I hope you take this with a smile as I love your videos and suspect you may be sensitive rather than humorously sarcastic.
Honestly the idea was that people who did not own a camcorder who made a trip to Disney and wanted to video it could rent a camcorder for the day - they recorded on full size VHS tapes - at the end of the day the tape went in a nice "My day at Disney" type VHS box, they took it home and played it on their VHS machines. If the rental places had given them a VHS-C camera or a Video 8 or a Hi-8 or a SVHS-C they couldn't have played it at home. They could of course have used a VHS-C adaptor, but then they'd have to buy that as well. This is why they used full size VHS machines as rentals. I remember it vividly as I hadn't seen these full size VHS camcorders since the early 1980s so I had to ask one of these people about their camera and they explained the whole rental process to me. I then later saw the rental shop near the exit.
reasons why i like this channel: videos like this video and audio formats/recording devices that i never heard before. i feel so enlightened every time :D
François Caron A few friends and i used to use a Canon XL2. it was a LOVELY camera to work with, but the MiniDV ruined it. We had so many issues with audio it's unbelievable.
oh yes FireWire. I used that for my panasonic mini DV camcorder. Last tape based unit. I then used a panasonic (i think) sd card camcorder that is what I would use unless I use my phone.
Is it true that if you play a video on a Mini-Dv Camcorder, that the heads need cleaned on, that the video will for ever after have green bars on them forever afterwards even while using them on other Mini-DV Players/ Camcorders? P.S. I'm just asking this because I have a mini-DV camcorder manufactured from the mid to late 2000's that one day randomly started to flash clean heads and all the videos on that I played through it had green streaks while using the camcorder. Also, it still does it after using a "new" old stock Panasonic Cleaning tape on the camcorder.
your videos are simply awesome and inspiring. I feel like I should get some of my old equipment out and get to making some retro reviews.. thanks for sharing
I was hoping you'd show footage from your camera from two years prior... I agree this is bizarre... it possibly was stuck in development for years. being development concurrently with formats like MiniDV and then when MiniDV came out it got stuck in development, and then eventually rather than shelving the work they had done someone said "oh well, let's just release it"
Hi there James! (Sorry if that's not your name. I thought I heard you mention it in an earlier video.) Just wanted to say that I really enjoy all your videos. I really like to see all the older tech equipment. You do a great job of narrating and wouldn't be surprised if you were ever offered a job doing a retro tech segment on a consumer affairs TV show. Thanks for making all these cool shows!
It's a mini DV camera, and Googled it, turns out the MSRP was $2699.- for this camera, so the price in the advert must be most likely $2299.- and the shown price is a typo (noticed the single small digit 9 where other prices all end at 99 cents) I was wondering initially about this price as well, camcorders weren't cheap back then and would you set back a fair part of a months income or more, but for $22,000.- you would get professional kit.
@@BgT1990 It cost a lot because not only were they buying the camcorder, it was a complete package with a professional tripod, filters, a video tape box, a carrying case, a cleaning kit and five years warranty that included repairs and maintenance. And of course the price of $ 22,990 is a typo ... The only video cameras that had that price range at that time were the professional Betacam broadcasting camcorders.
It's not a typo, in the small print it says "includes one-on-one filmmaking class with Steven Spielberg, and a free pre-screening of AI:Artificial Intelligence
I bought one from Heathrow on the way to Cape Town for a 3 year work placement. Loved it. Sent VHS tapes home to my parents. In one I was hanging off a ledge half way up table mountain on the Camps Bay side. It was great to be able to stick the camera in your jeans pocket. Clearing out the attic... have just found it & it still works. I'm keeping it along with my 1980 Minolta XGM film canera that I used last Summer. Aperture priority & manual focus. Happy days.
Fascinating video. I almost bought a Ruvi to film my wedding when Dixon discounted them to £49.99 in 2000 but I'm glad I bought a JVC DV camcorder instead. That said, the cartridge is essentially just a miniaturized VCR - a totally bonkers premise even back at the end of the 1990s. Thanks again for all your retrotech vids - they never fail to entertain.
Sony using stupid proprietary storage options once again... it never fails. People complained about the Vita and PSP using odd Memory card formats... this just serves as proof that Sony has been doing this for ages now!
Dear Techmoan. Pls dont worry about your shirt or your fingers or any of that stuff. we watch you because you are awesome, clever and well spoken. we are all people too, with lives and broken bits about us. thank you for all the time you spend making videos.
Clay3613 Well we are talking consumer market not professional market, but yes beta, and BetaMax was very popular in the pro market for it's better broadcast resolution when compared to something like VHS.
+Commodorefan64 ; Pedantry time, but that's a common misconception. Betamax might have been slightly better than VHS, but it wasn't popular in (or good enough for) the pro market. The pros used Betacam, the first versions of which *did* use the same physical tape as Betamax, but with a completely incompatible recording format and much faster tape speed. I'm betting that the recorders were also far more expensive. I'm a green muppet and I don't care :-P
Love vintage electronics and these videos are a dream. Thanks for posting these, I'm haven't donated to patreon yet but I am watching the adds the whole way through and clicking on them. Thanks for your work. Love the framed, obscure non English laser discs in the background of Westworld, Back to The Future and TRON.
Great video! Such products always create the impression with me that the team that had to develop the recording medium didn't deliver the next gen in time and they had to improvise something that would still fit into the small camera that another team was developing.
The point they're making is valid however, mp3 players, including HDD and flash based ones, were old news, and you could already get phones with the capability baked in before either the iPhone or iPod. And indeed the Sony K-series (never mind the tacky Ws) were pretty good as converged feature phones and PMPs. I'm pretty annoyed, for one thing, that smartphones have bloated out so much and so you can't get a touchscreen device about the size of a K750 or 810 (...i think those are the right numbers?) which can play your tunes, take photos & videos, make calls, send/receive messages / use IM apps, or browse the web... even if full smartphone functionality was restricted as a result... ...even though those phones could do all those things to varying degrees, albeit with a keypad and a somewhat low-rez screen. I think you can still get some featurephones that follow the same plan but they're chunky, cheap and functional rather than sleek, powerful and well-made. The 750 (570?) I had in late 2004 when my existing Siemens C65 (itself decent but very lacking in internal storage and devoid of card slot) got broken, and a couple years later I inherited a k810 when a relative upgraded from it... Not sure where that sits vs the iPod timeline, but certainly I *already* had a 20gb mp3 player using a 1.8" HDD (same as the iPod Mini, when the Apple devices were still using 2.5s) before the phone came along.
Your reviews of obsolete and obscure technology are simply brilliant. Here are a few photo-related not-so-well-thought-throug products that would make for good videos: Any of the ill fated APS system cameras (especially Minolta), The APS system as a whole, the first Pentax autofokus system camera(me-f), the Yashica Samurai, Olympus L-3, the Pentax auto 110 system.
I don't understand why these videos are so interesting to me, yet somehow I end up spending hours watching through all of your stuff. Keep up the good work, great entertainment and it's good to learn stuff even if I don't know know a lot about some of the technology. :)
I was so delighted when you opened up the storage. I second some sort of review of the Sony Mavica floppy digital cameras and or other similar tech... perhaps that "camcorder" that recorded video onto audio cassette? Also, you didn't mention what camera you were shooting on in 2006. Also, @7:20, I remember the TRV-900, but what the hell, $23,000?
Talking about tech that never made it: did you ever do a minidisk video? Man I thought that was going to be hot. Paid $430 for something my phone now does. They even had new music coming out on them for a short time.
Minidisc was a good format but there was two problems: (1) Thick morons/bad marketing where for some stupid reason people thought it was going to replace CD. I was talking about Minidisc earlier to my missus and she didn't know it recorded. Point proven. (2) Steve Jobs and the evil iPod. It was gaining reasonable traction in the late 1990s, cost of recorders fell (my MDS JE-510 was only £200) and the cost of blanks became quite reasonable. But, then CD recorders came out and the blanks were even cheaper again. Then, there was DCC. I could mention DAT, but that was out of reach for most people and more for professional recording purposes. I nearly bought a DAT, but decided that saving up forever wasn't worth it so got a Minidisc. Most people paid no attention to CD recorders, DCC or Minidisc and continued using tape until mp3 took over.
I thought the same too. I bought my MZ37R and I was telling me, hey, my FIRST DIGITAL audio recorder. Two week after I was using my old trusty Toshiba Walkman and tape. Minidisc (in my case) was insane battery hungry. Only 3hr or palyback and 40min recording. It was useless. After comparing it against tape, good recorded ones sounded a bit better in highs, so I gave up. What killed Minidisk was MP3, Internet just took off and very little material were released on Minidisk. It look like a CD, it was digital, .... but it was compressed. Portable MP3 players just were far superior in every posible aspect. By the end Sony allowed MP3 and up to 1GB x disc .... but .... too late.
They had the MAVICA CD. It was a camera that stored photos on little CDR. It was slow as h3ll and once you pressed the shotter, a message appeared on the viewfinder, instructing you about NOT MOVING the camera too much since it was recording to the CD. Earlier MAvica used 3 1/2 FLOPPY disks .... Its a Sony.
The minidisc was a great format once the USB enabled ones came out. And the magnetic/optic discs could survive just about anything. Certainly more trouncing than the compact flash microdrive could which I think was the only competition in the size/storage class for removable media.
I was half tempted by this at the time but didn't like the idea of the propriety cartridges and ended up getting the Hi8 Sharp Viewcam shown in one of your adverts instead, which was a similar price.I didn't even consider Mini-DV as at the time it cost considerably more (over £1000) than the holiday we were buying the Camcorder to take on. Just like your MiniDV we had lots of questions about the Sharp (which does have a backlit monitor) in the USA back in 1998. Not having to use a viewfinder was a big novelty back then.
haha, that is amazing! I watched quite a good deal of your videos already, plenty of them showing noticeably bizarre concepts from the customer electronics industry across the past decades. This one here is really amongst the top5 I'd say. Anyways, thank you so much for your channel, the effort you are putting into your videos, and your particularly well made balance of professional historic investigation part with that great sense of sarcasm/humour you are putting into your videos. Really thank you! PS: I never thought watching someone talking about old electronics from the past could be so entertaining and worthwhile watching!
I think the idea was that the authorized dealer would send the old cartridge back to Sony, it'd replace the five cents worth of tape in the unit and sell it back to you as a reconditioned replacement part.
I imagined the price of those carts was a lot because the whole mechanism is inside it. At $80 no wonder they didn't advertise it as user replaceable (despite looking very user accessible), any potential buyer would have saw how much you would have to pay per 30 min, and start looking at the other brand's camcorders. Too bad Sony didn't remember that expensive storage never looks good, when it came to the Vita...
Just looked it up, you can still get the cartridges at about E5/pop... now I'm tempted to experiment with them, see if I can get any storage onto them...
at 5:59, my hometown of Gloucester! The Docks are totally transformed now, shops, pubs, cafes, actually rather nice compared to what it was like 10 or 20 years ago.
I wonder if that cartridge was originally developed for some other application. It doesn't seem to make any sense to develop for a product like this, but if they already had it, then wouldn't have been much extra work to build a camera round it.
sony knew what they where doing, their aim was to make the most miniature camcorder possible, which they achieved, they realised they recording format was a dead duck but just wantead the kudos of being the smallest on the market.
It is kinda their thing. Or at least it was until Motorola and then Apple started pulling the rug out from them here and there. I think they still have the record for the smallest usable cassette, CD, and vinyl players, for example. Back from when they actually made desirable, high quality gear, rather than relying on the badge alone to make sales :/ (to be fair, though, the Xperia Z phones are pretty slick too... however there's not much else the company makes that causes me to sit up and pay attention, and I've either had or seen enough issues with CD and Minidisc players/recorders of theirs, as well as boomboxes, portable radios, and TVs for the spell to have been broken)
Yeah but whether the recording drum is in the camera, or in a cartridge, it's still the same volume either way? There literally is no rational reason to have this how it was.
fascinating "solution" to the miniaturization problem. I actually love solutions that come about when somebody asks the question that everyone's overlooked up to then (in this case "why do we need all that extra junk to load and eject tapes?").
Ahahaha! That's stupid! Might as well buy a camera with a super 8 tape and re-use the 2 hour tape over and over again! No wonder Sony didn't want you to take it apart, they were ripping you off ahahaha!
I was shocked when you opened that cartridge! I did not expect little spools of High8 video tape. I used High8 back in the 90's. I always said I would have the tapes transferred to some better storage option in the future. I thought VHS looked awful back then.
I really did enjoy this video, and I especially love the part whereas, 11:47 "And I know whats killing everyone now.... WHATS IN THE CARTRIDGE" This is completely spot on. Great to see you know how the minds of 1,000's of viewers want :D
You are kidding, aren't you? You MUST be kidding! I mean I had to go back to see if he was even wearing a shirt. Than again, I watch for the (excellent) info, not for the fashion show :-)
How he presents himself is an important part of the show. I enjoy his understated style. I can't be the only one who notices his dapper and smart attire.
Yeh, like a smaller version of a hard drive from an old IBM PS/2, they were a similar shape, taller than modern HD's. I'm not the only one then Maxx, thank you.
Wait, is that what that is? It makes sense, but I never knew. Did this happen with 4-headed recorders? Were there any other mitigation techniques? It makes sense. Could improper tracking cause the same phenomenon?
I bought a Ruvi used back in the day and used it like a GoPro for outdoor activities like snow skiing. Then, I transferred the Ruvi video onto my larger Digital8 tapes for archive and editing. If you view the Ruvi as a primary camcorder, it was a dumb idea. But think of it like a secondary action camera, and the Ruvi was pretty nice!
Not sure how we have not commented on this before now! Thank you so much to Matt for downloading and donating the footage shown at 6:10 (there was more) which is a rare glimpse of our original Museum in St. George's Church, Brentford before we moved to our new purpose-built location over 15 years ago. We really appreciated the time you took to do this for our tiny charity, as we have no video records from this time. The footage is now on our channel (MusicalMuseumLive), and safely backed up in our archive on several different digital media. Thanks also to Sam (from YT channel ThisMuseumIsNotObsolete) who introduced us to Matt!
It’s amazing to ponder what various people have tucked away on videotapes collecting dust in their attics! Interesting story!
that cartridge is quite possibly the most sony thing ever.
Indeed, elaborate and impractical. But solves a minor issue. Does anyone remember the Sony Mavica digital camera? Storing photos on a floppy disk was brilliant when nobody was using USB sockets.
That is very sony of sony
@@richardemms3050 Don't forget proprietary
zeos386sx My two still work, so there’s that!
Just like Minidisc, It wasn't Sony's idea. They just copied and shrunk the airborne recorders used by the military. Those systems were almost the same. By eliminating the removable tape, it was smaller, more rugged, and could be environmentally sealed.
I've never heard of this before. However, I must say I would have probably liked it back in 2000. Even as far back as that, I was using a Hi-8 camcorder and as soon as I would record some footage, I would use a video capture card and pull it into my computer. That's how I kept all of my home movies back then. And then, I would simply re-use the same cassette over and over again until it wore out. And since I would have captured it straight to my PC, it wouldn't have had as much degradation as going to VHS. Honestly, I think the video quality looks pretty good compared to the Hi-8 camera I was using at the time. So I guess I would give this device a thumbs up. But I know my usage case would have not been the norm in 2000.
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@ropersonline Even if they were to make a HDD for it, I bet it would still be analog rather than digital. There were analog disc formats before - look up "Video Floppy" or "Mavipak".
That's still how I do things. 1080p video the way my phone records it is a bit much for my wee SD card, so I get out my Canon ZR-200, set it to 16:9 and LP mode and have fun whenever I need to record something longer than ten minutes. I've only got three tapes though, so I'll do an SP-speed dub to a videotape for safety, and then dub the footage to a PC and reuse the MiniDV tape.
You're always to ahead of the parade. Come IN the parade, its fun! 😃 Low tech and all LOL.
yo 8bit bro, If you stick a paperclip in the tape mechanism you can improve the quality and fix any faults that they have
You are like the Wikipedia of old items and videos. Its amazing to see old tech and how it compares with today. Keep it up - enjoying every single video you throw at us.
you with the hand up in the back, we dont want to hear your boring facts!
I love when he does a video on something and then all of a sudden a Wikipedia page pops up for it
I'm not sure the grey and bleak video is the camera's fault. I thought that was just London? ;)
That is what I thought to. lol
I've got some early digital camera photos from a trip down there to go to the millennium dome (quite possibly what the Ruvi tape was meant for?) and, well, it looks very similar :D
Though that IS down to the the CCDs of the time being uniformly hopeless. £700, that thing cost the school my mum taught at, all 1.3 megapixels of it, but you'd throw away a webcam or phone that produced images of that quality nowadays. Just, like, straight in the bin. It was a poor contender even against my 110-format film camera, the only benefit really being the ability to delete and re-shoot, as well as to insert pictures into Word documents without having to develop and scan them (which is what I borrowed it for, and what I bought my own first digital camera for about 3 years later ... £200, 2mpx, and general image quality that stomped all over the earlier model... probably saved me £300 in 35mm film and processing alone, plus the time that would have been spent waiting for the development and then putting them in a scanner)
As in washed out but muddy at the same time, poorly focussed at the edges no matter what you did (because the electronics cost so much they ended up skimping on the optics... oh dear), and really, really, REALLY bad colour reproduction. All that and tiny memory cards plus deathly slow serial interfacing.
No wonder we were skeptical of the idea at first...
True story
I hate going to London
Everything Log2 in London :D
He said *in the video* that it's not just the "October weather". Pay attention!
It's as if they tried to reproduce a hard drive, but with Hi-8 tape. I'm surprised it went beyond the R&D stage.
"Those aren't pentalope screws...WE DON'T CARE!". I work with someone exactly like that.
I did not expect tape to be in the cartridge! Fascinating stuff.
Wow I am the first one to like and comment.This comment was made 3 years ago!
@@Bug110 You're a real archeologist ^_^
They basically put a whole VCR in the cartridge. Yeah, have to agree with the others: That's probably the most Sony piece of engineering ever.
that cartridge is so awesome. they've somehow built an entire video head mechanism into such a small area. what a brilliant piece of engineering
That is some bullshit there with that cartridge. I was expecting some oddball early digital memory storage.
I expected a small hard disk.
Sony has always loved their proprietary storage solutions.
James2t3 yes, and many people still hate Sony for this reason!
I'm looking at you PSvita
I think you mean PSP, which was very easy to get around the piracy protection.
At least you can buy adaptors for the Memory Stick, like one that gives you 2 microSD slots. But the Vita is a bigger offender because is expensive and smaller than a microSD
Damn straight bloody stupid vita. I have one, still haven't gotten around to buying a memory card for it. I'm gona end up spending more on the card than I did buying the vita :(
That cartridge is awesome and stupid at the same time.
I just watched the video (mostly scrubbing really) but it does strike me as about the best thing Sony could do in the pre-flash era.
A perfect example of overengineering.
The best part is, that if they had just made it all into the unit and used a new format of tape it could have been smaller. The extra case and parts to make the cartridge was a waste of space.
Agreee, just switching to miniDV tape would likely make the camera a bit smaller. Also, that amount of tape would likely last at least 45, if not 60 minutes.
Well yes, but without experimentation there's no future progress... and we can see the current solid state flash drives packaged in a similar cartridge like form factor (sans the crazy tape system ; )
"washed out colours in London, in October"
No way!
The one and only "awkward audio and video formats channel" now presents : the tape cartridge with a head inside. Brilliant.
@@electrictroy2010 yes I bought my first mini camcorder back in 1988 it was a Magnavox VHS -c model. Back then it was $400 at "nobody beats the The wiz"electronic store in New York City. BTW: brought one of these RUVIs for $135 around 2000 at PC Richards store. Cuz all those other small camcorders were like he said hundreds of dollars more. I got it right before 911 and recorded all these ash covered people walking looking pretty exhausted and stressed along the waterfront highway coming from from downtown where the disaster happened
I've still got my sony ruvi ,when I purchased it back in the 90's ,I thought it was amazing and much more pocket friendly than all other camcorders, never went out of focus unlike all the other cameras I had, picture quality was very good on my unit in good light , the Sony cartridges cost £75 each and yes I did buy one , I never thought I would see another one let alone a review. thanks tech moan.
That was awesome! Tiny little play head and reels inside a lil case. I love these obscure technologies
Hey, during the footage it shows Gloucester quays before the gentrification. The red brick warehouses in the background and the boats are all familiar, and all the stills are around Gloucester and Cheltenham too.
Yeah I recognised the Docks too!
Does Ruvi stand for Really useless video idea? Thank you! I'll get my coat.
It was going to be Ruby because they thought they had a real gem on their hands. But then they realized it sucked and had to rebrand it. LOL.
^ nice with gravy, peas and mashed potatoes! ;^P
Blackout!
(See: King of the Hill)
One day a guy who worked for garmin found out about that camera and when he heard her name ruvi he had the idea to make gps nuvi machines
@John Huffington good to film on? 😏
If you'd stuck with the earlier camera you wouldn't have to worry about wrinkled shirts!
I don't worry about them...that's the job of the internet.
Techmoan I wasn't complaining about your wrinkled shirt. God knows I'm the last man to harp on that! Just trying to point out that even when it seems to be progress it ain't necessarily so. ;->
No i understand, it's like the problemsTV presenters had with the introduction of HD where their old caked on orange makeup was no longer suitable and then again more recently with 4K where set designers have to make a bit more effort, as every scene can be paused and examined in detail - an old Gillette razor will no longer cut it as a communicator vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f9/QuiGon_hush98.jpg
Techmoan Witness the movie stars whose careers ended with the talkies, due to their horrible speaking voices. ;->
Yes, some things were never meant to be seen in HD, let alone 4k.
Take star trek TNG. They did video compositing on tape for that originally, so it couldn't be shown in HD.
But since most of the source footage (including many effects shots) was on film, they were able to make a 1080p bluray release by redoing all the editing and compositing.
All well and good, and it actually looks quite impressive.
Plus, many things are surprisingly detailed.
However, many things are not. And sometimes it's really obvious how fake various props or scenery elements actually are.
Amongst other things, it also tends to be super-obvious when they switch from a 'hero' prop to a cheaper stunt or background version.
(witness Geordi's visor going from one made of metal with some kind of gemstone/crystal on the sides, to one made of plastic with hologram stickers and back again. Or the obviously fake hand phasers, and so on.)
Some things were not meant for HD, and some of course, took a while to figure out in the transition era.
Oh Sony. How many b̶e̶e̶r̶s̶ sake bottles your engineers have made each other hold.
the japanese make and drink quite a lot of different beers... sake is not the japanese equivalent of beer....
For Pete's SAKÉ!
@@MultiCheeseLouise Biru!
I really admire the level of research in your videos, nice to see the history as well as the tech!
Absolutely fascinating. I was shouting "what's in the video cartridge?!!" out loud until you opened it! Great review.
I actually wanted to see the '93 HD NY video and lo behold it's in your FAQ. Nice :D
Amazing aren't they.
Can you do a review of that Sony digital camera that used Floppy Disks?
Oh shit, I have that. It records video at like 10 fps with no sound.
The Sony Mavica! I have one I plan to review myself :)
Lazy Game Reviews did you find it from one of your thrifting adventures?
I still have mine. 640x480 jpegs yay. I still remember the beeper going tee-dee ... breeep with every shot.
small RUclips world, watch your videos too.
This idea is a fine example of where innovation crosses into blind stupidity.
Gotta make sure the consumer cant use aftermarket storage so sony can make more money!
Classic Sony...
Love the channel! Your expositions on old odd Consumer Electronics raise nostalgic memories of my grandfather, who loved to tinker with video and audio stuff all through my childhood. We grabbed a Philco v1100 VHS VCR/Tank the week they came out which I think still works, and I am sitting here in front of a sony MDP 700 Laserdisc multi format player which he owned. I've got an older Sansui Receiver in the bedroom and a closet full of live Minidisc recordings. I feel ya.
This Ruvi thing is just the kind of Sony headscratcher that made me fall in love with them so early on. Every once in a while they hit a home run and sometimes they release a still-born product like this. Anyway, kudos from across the pond.
Wheres the Muppets? I wanted to know what they have to say about it.
RTFD
Robert Fletcher the muppets were on 8 bit guy channel !!
Q) Why are there no muppets in this video?
A) They don't appear in every video - they just come out when something 'amusing' comes to mind for them to express. Today - I have nothing. Writer's block.
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+Power Max, That's a lie, they are on vacation in the US, hanging around with the 8-bit guy.
It was in the description.
Good to see the mechanical music museum by Kew bridge in the crumbling church it used to be in. It now has a purpose designed building. Well worth a visit.
Great video, always getting the odd ones! Don't stop doing that, it's fantastic.
I remember my dad and my uncle back in the day both warred over camera gear, and both ended up getting this $1200 Sony Hi-8 model. The most interesting thing about those cameras was they had infrared video transmission via a receiver connected to the TV.
I remember my dad building a special little shelf for the camcorder to sit on above the couch so he didn't have to have it on his lap while playing home videos. Then I bought a Mini DV model from Panasonic off eBay a few years later which blew those two cameras out of the water, and both my uncle and my dad weren't very happy with their cameras any more.
Shortly thereafter though solid state cameras became a thing and we all got 3 megapixel point and shoots that also did VGA video and we thought that was awesome.
there's a VCR in the cartridge. :)
At 6:17 you can see a rather peculiar looking wooden cabinet with some upside down violins inside it.
For anyone wondering, that is actually an extremely old self playing violin (one instrument for each string, thus why it contains 4). You can find an in depth video on the "Wintergatan" RUclips channel - interesting stuff.
I like to think that the machine in the home video is the one in Wintergatan's video before it was restored.
wow. Amazing. Initially I thought it got some kind of HDD in it and platters. It looked like a miniature harddisk :)
Enjoyed watching this video LOL !
Just have to say I'm loving watching your videos. This one was particularly funny, loved the rant at the end. You are so entertaining and witty especially when reviewing some "bad" tech. What on earth do you do with all the stuff you get on ebay and the new equipment that isnt even very good? Surely you dont keep it all, do you just sell it again or give it/throw some of it away eventually?
"Threw out the baby with the bath water"
Now there's a phrase people should use more often
Just use a Babycutor (BigClive)
6:13 A 1947 Seeburg trashcan Jukebox! I used to have one of those, wish I never would have sold it. Loved the thing, super cool and unique. Nice little find on that 20 year old home video :-)
My hi8 Sony camcorder of 1993 was able to fit in a bum bag, was hifi stereo and would record 180 minutes on lp. The quality was excellent. Lovely machine. I don't think full size VHS was still rented out in the late nineties. We recoded my degree ceremony on one in 1986.
Those people who had rented VHS camcorders on their shoulders in Disney in Florida in 1996 must have just been in my imagination. I suppose this was when the hallucinations started.
Techmoan lol. I love the tone... just my pedantic nature.
Techmoan BTW the vhs c camcorder was shown in Back to the Future in 1985. I suspect the Americans you remember were using very old tech... I visited Florida in 1993 and 1994 and never saw an old school full size vhs camcorder... I hope you take this with a smile as I love your videos and suspect you may be sensitive rather than humorously sarcastic.
Honestly the idea was that people who did not own a camcorder who made a trip to Disney and wanted to video it could rent a camcorder for the day - they recorded on full size VHS tapes - at the end of the day the tape went in a nice "My day at Disney" type VHS box, they took it home and played it on their VHS machines. If the rental places had given them a VHS-C camera or a Video 8 or a Hi-8 or a SVHS-C they couldn't have played it at home. They could of course have used a VHS-C adaptor, but then they'd have to buy that as well. This is why they used full size VHS machines as rentals. I remember it vividly as I hadn't seen these full size VHS camcorders since the early 1980s so I had to ask one of these people about their camera and they explained the whole rental process to me. I then later saw the rental shop near the exit.
Techmoan I see. And again, sorry if you think I'm being awkward. I'm a huge fan. Thanks for bothering to reply. :-)
Nice to see all about the equipment I couldn't afford, and learn that I hardly missed anything.
That cartridge is the memory stick of the 90s
reasons why i like this channel: videos like this
video and audio formats/recording devices that i never heard before. i feel so enlightened every time :D
I'm so glad we no longer use MiniDV. No need to capture the footage over FireWire and less chance of losing sound/video due to bad heads or tape.
I've had that happen to me. Very annoying It's too bad though. Even at 1440x1080 MPEG2, my old Canon camcorder produced excellent video.
François Caron A few friends and i used to use a Canon XL2. it was a LOVELY camera to work with, but the MiniDV ruined it. We had so many issues with audio it's unbelievable.
oh yes FireWire. I used that for my panasonic mini DV camcorder. Last tape based unit. I then used a panasonic (i think) sd card camcorder that is what I would use unless I use my phone.
I disagree. I love magnetic tape formats.
Is it true that if you play a video on a Mini-Dv Camcorder, that the heads need cleaned on, that the video will for ever after have green bars on them forever afterwards even while using them on other Mini-DV Players/ Camcorders?
P.S. I'm just asking this because I have a mini-DV camcorder manufactured from the mid to late 2000's that one day randomly started to flash clean heads and all the videos on that I played through it had green streaks while using the camcorder. Also, it still does it after using a "new" old stock Panasonic Cleaning tape on the camcorder.
your videos are simply awesome and inspiring. I feel like I should get some of my old equipment out and get to making some retro reviews.. thanks for sharing
I was hoping you'd show footage from your camera from two years prior... I agree this is bizarre... it possibly was stuck in development for years. being development concurrently with formats like MiniDV and then when MiniDV came out it got stuck in development, and then eventually rather than shelving the work they had done someone said "oh well, let's just release it"
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Hi there James! (Sorry if that's not your name. I thought I heard you mention it in an earlier video.) Just wanted to say that I really enjoy all your videos. I really like to see all the older tech equipment. You do a great job of narrating and wouldn't be surprised if you were ever offered a job doing a retro tech segment on a consumer affairs TV show. Thanks for making all these cool shows!
I do hope no one paid $22,990 for that sony in the advert!
Daniel of course, it was just so glaringly obvious it made me laugh to myself.
That leapt out at me too lol @7:20 how on earth could a consumer camera cost so much?!
It's a mini DV camera, and Googled it, turns out the MSRP was $2699.- for this camera, so the price in the advert must be most likely $2299.- and the shown price is a typo (noticed the single small digit 9 where other prices all end at 99 cents)
I was wondering initially about this price as well, camcorders weren't cheap back then and would you set back a fair part of a months income or more, but for $22,000.- you would get professional kit.
@@BgT1990 It cost a lot because not only were they buying the camcorder, it was a complete package with a professional tripod, filters, a video tape box, a carrying case, a cleaning kit and five years warranty that included repairs and maintenance.
And of course the price of $ 22,990 is a typo ... The only video cameras that had that price range at that time were the professional Betacam broadcasting camcorders.
It's not a typo, in the small print it says "includes one-on-one filmmaking class with Steven Spielberg, and a free pre-screening of AI:Artificial Intelligence
I bought one from Heathrow on the way to Cape Town for a 3 year work placement. Loved it. Sent VHS tapes home to my parents. In one I was hanging off a ledge half way up table mountain on the Camps Bay side. It was great to be able to stick the camera in your jeans pocket. Clearing out the attic... have just found it & it still works. I'm keeping it along with my 1980 Minolta XGM film canera that I used last Summer. Aperture priority & manual focus. Happy days.
hah, I thought that JVC one looked familiar
fuck I miss Stargate
I had to buy & download episode 1 from Amazon in HD to grab that pic. It holds up well (from what I watched)
I miss it too.
It was shot on film, so in theory they could rescan it to HD one day.
They already did.
Dave Pusey Assuming they haven't auctioned the films off like they did with everything else. A lot has been lost to god knows where unfortunately.
Fascinating video. I almost bought a Ruvi to film my wedding when Dixon discounted them to £49.99 in 2000 but I'm glad I bought a JVC DV camcorder instead. That said, the cartridge is essentially just a miniaturized VCR - a totally bonkers premise even back at the end of the 1990s. Thanks again for all your retrotech vids - they never fail to entertain.
Sony using stupid proprietary storage options once again... it never fails. People complained about the Vita and PSP using odd Memory card formats... this just serves as proof that Sony has been doing this for ages now!
haha very funny... so what I put a cap M instead of a lowercase by accident. Don't make it a big deal bro.
Maxx Fordham It was a typo. My phone auto capitalized it for some reason.
Maxx Fordham so you are one of this annoying muppets character at the end of the video))
Dear Techmoan. Pls dont worry about your shirt or your fingers or any of that stuff. we watch you because you are awesome, clever and well spoken. we are all people too, with lives and broken bits about us. thank you for all the time you spend making videos.
SONY is probably king for one off unique designs.
Got that right, and for use of expensive propriety formats that rarely catch on(Blu-ray, and CD being exceptions).
They made the U-matic which was used by nearly every news station in the world till the late 90s.
Clay3613 Well we are talking consumer market not professional market, but yes beta, and BetaMax was very popular in the pro market for it's better broadcast resolution when compared to something like VHS.
+Commodorefan64 ; Pedantry time, but that's a common misconception. Betamax might have been slightly better than VHS, but it wasn't popular in (or good enough for) the pro market. The pros used Betacam, the first versions of which *did* use the same physical tape as Betamax, but with a completely incompatible recording format and much faster tape speed. I'm betting that the recorders were also far more expensive.
I'm a green muppet and I don't care :-P
Love vintage electronics and these videos are a dream. Thanks for posting these, I'm haven't donated to patreon yet but I am watching the adds the whole way through and clicking on them. Thanks for your work. Love the framed, obscure non English laser discs in the background of Westworld, Back to The Future and TRON.
Woah, that footage of London was from 16 years ago today, the day i'm watching the video.
Ditto, I guess?
Ditto, I guess?
Great video! Such products always create the impression with me that the team that had to develop the recording medium didn't deliver the next gen in time and they had to improvise something that would still fit into the small camera that another team was developing.
No wonder Sony never saw the iPod coming
iPod did nothing new.
Clay3613 It's main selling points were the UI and pocketability.(good for a 5GB device at the time)
My phone was better, Sony Ericsson W580i then the ipod by miles
G-Metric the w580i came out 5 years after the original iPod so that's hardly surprising?
The point they're making is valid however, mp3 players, including HDD and flash based ones, were old news, and you could already get phones with the capability baked in before either the iPhone or iPod.
And indeed the Sony K-series (never mind the tacky Ws) were pretty good as converged feature phones and PMPs. I'm pretty annoyed, for one thing, that smartphones have bloated out so much and so you can't get a touchscreen device about the size of a K750 or 810 (...i think those are the right numbers?) which can play your tunes, take photos & videos, make calls, send/receive messages / use IM apps, or browse the web... even if full smartphone functionality was restricted as a result...
...even though those phones could do all those things to varying degrees, albeit with a keypad and a somewhat low-rez screen. I think you can still get some featurephones that follow the same plan but they're chunky, cheap and functional rather than sleek, powerful and well-made.
The 750 (570?) I had in late 2004 when my existing Siemens C65 (itself decent but very lacking in internal storage and devoid of card slot) got broken, and a couple years later I inherited a k810 when a relative upgraded from it... Not sure where that sits vs the iPod timeline, but certainly I *already* had a 20gb mp3 player using a 1.8" HDD (same as the iPod Mini, when the Apple devices were still using 2.5s) before the phone came along.
Your reviews of obsolete and obscure technology are simply brilliant. Here are a few photo-related not-so-well-thought-throug products that would make for good videos: Any of the ill fated APS system cameras (especially Minolta), The APS system as a whole, the first Pentax autofokus system camera(me-f), the Yashica Samurai, Olympus L-3, the Pentax auto 110 system.
doh! you just reminded me I have a Ruvi stashed away in a drawer.
I'm going to dig it out right now and try and see what's on it.
I absolutely loved reading the description with the Q&A 👍
Big fan of your stuff, keep it up!
Hey! That's my old camera! I put it on ebay and forgot to delete the footage of my trip to London!! I want it back!! LOL 😂 😂 😂 Love your videos man!
Are you serious? :D
LOL No...just playin.
***** Haha, OK, you never know :D
LOL That's true...
+Rex amillion I was about to say.... "You know where he lives then". lol
Love seeing old footage, especially when just uncovered from an old camera. 2000 seems like a lifetime ago, when I was 21 😢
Hupfeld Phonoliszt-Violina cameo @6:10. Maybe something for a future review..........
I don't understand why these videos are so interesting to me, yet somehow I end up spending hours watching through all of your stuff. Keep up the good work, great entertainment and it's good to learn stuff even if I don't know know a lot about some of the technology. :)
Yeah I can see why this idea never caught on... it is stupid.
*ahem*
torx
'dems fightin words here on the yourtubes
Just been reminded of an early digital camera I had that recorded directly to floppy disk. What an absolute beast that was.
Where do you get your old magazine sources?
Books.google.com
Thanks! I had no idea they had archived magazines.
I am trying to find one for my collection, they are pretty rare. May I ask how much you paid for yours ?
I forget exactly, but it was about £40.
was that footage of gloucester docks?! haha
I was so delighted when you opened up the storage. I second some sort of review of the Sony Mavica floppy digital cameras and or other similar tech... perhaps that "camcorder" that recorded video onto audio cassette? Also, you didn't mention what camera you were shooting on in 2006. Also, @7:20, I remember the TRV-900, but what the hell, $23,000?
Talking about tech that never made it: did you ever do a minidisk video? Man I thought that was going to be hot. Paid $430 for something my phone now does. They even had new music coming out on them for a short time.
Minidisc was a good format but there was two problems:
(1) Thick morons/bad marketing where for some stupid reason people thought it was going to replace CD. I was talking about Minidisc earlier to my missus and she didn't know it recorded. Point proven.
(2) Steve Jobs and the evil iPod.
It was gaining reasonable traction in the late 1990s, cost of recorders fell (my MDS JE-510 was only £200) and the cost of blanks became quite reasonable. But, then CD recorders came out and the blanks were even cheaper again. Then, there was DCC. I could mention DAT, but that was out of reach for most people and more for professional recording purposes. I nearly bought a DAT, but decided that saving up forever wasn't worth it so got a Minidisc.
Most people paid no attention to CD recorders, DCC or Minidisc and continued using tape until mp3 took over.
Sounds a cool odd item
I thought the same too. I bought my MZ37R and I was telling me, hey, my FIRST DIGITAL audio recorder. Two week after I was using my old trusty Toshiba Walkman and tape. Minidisc (in my case) was insane battery hungry. Only 3hr or palyback and 40min recording. It was useless. After comparing it against tape, good recorded ones sounded a bit better in highs, so I gave up. What killed Minidisk was MP3, Internet just took off and very little material were released on Minidisk. It look like a CD, it was digital, .... but it was compressed. Portable MP3 players just were far superior in every posible aspect. By the end Sony allowed MP3 and up to 1GB x disc .... but .... too late.
They had the MAVICA CD. It was a camera that stored photos on little CDR. It was slow as h3ll and once you pressed the shotter, a message appeared on the viewfinder, instructing you about NOT MOVING the camera too much since it was recording to the CD. Earlier MAvica used 3 1/2 FLOPPY disks .... Its a Sony.
The minidisc was a great format once the USB enabled ones came out. And the magnetic/optic discs could survive just about anything. Certainly more trouncing than the compact flash microdrive could which I think was the only competition in the size/storage class for removable media.
Was that the old musical museum in Brentford before it moved down the road! It certainly looked familiar...
Yes, it was!
it would be cooler if you posted this vid 3 days later! (4:47) XD
Keep the retro stuff coming! love it!
Sony's Bizarre Adventure into the world of camcorders
Do we have to *POSE* while using the Ruvi?
I was half tempted by this at the time but didn't like the idea of the propriety cartridges and ended up getting the Hi8 Sharp Viewcam shown in one of your adverts instead, which was a similar price.I didn't even consider Mini-DV as at the time it cost considerably more (over £1000) than the holiday we were buying the Camcorder to take on. Just like your MiniDV we had lots of questions about the Sharp (which does have a backlit monitor) in the USA back in 1998. Not having to use a viewfinder was a big novelty back then.
Can you do a video on the PXL-2000? It's a toy camera that recorded monochrome video to audio cassettes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PXL-2000
haha, that is amazing! I watched quite a good deal of your videos already, plenty of them showing noticeably bizarre concepts from the customer electronics industry across the past decades. This one here is really amongst the top5 I'd say.
Anyways, thank you so much for your channel, the effort you are putting into your videos, and your particularly well made balance of professional historic investigation part with that great sense of sarcasm/humour you are putting into your videos. Really thank you! PS: I never thought watching someone talking about old electronics from the past could be so entertaining and worthwhile watching!
why cant u replace the cartridge yourself? it pops right out
I think the idea was that the authorized dealer would send the old cartridge back to Sony, it'd replace the five cents worth of tape in the unit and sell it back to you as a reconditioned replacement part.
I imagined the price of those carts was a lot because the whole mechanism is inside it.
At $80 no wonder they didn't advertise it as user replaceable (despite looking very user accessible), any potential buyer would have saw how much you would have to pay per 30 min, and start looking at the other brand's camcorders.
Too bad Sony didn't remember that expensive storage never looks good, when it came to the Vita...
Sounds like Sony to me...
Just looked it up, you can still get the cartridges at about E5/pop... now I'm tempted to experiment with them, see if I can get any storage onto them...
You should, do a hack of it and then post back here :)
Great stuff - I'd never heard of this camera - but now I know why!
12:03 I didnt watch the whole wideo yet, let me guess, inside there is a tape
Fucking knew it right from the start
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No. Inside there is a full size LaserDisc. :-)
My3dviews either this or 8track tape :D
at 5:59, my hometown of Gloucester! The Docks are totally transformed now, shops, pubs, cafes, actually rather nice compared to what it was like 10 or 20 years ago.
Do a video about the Sony MicroMV.
IAmNotAFunguy If you would read the description, you would know the answer to your question. cheers!
I wonder if that cartridge was originally developed for some other application. It doesn't seem to make any sense to develop for a product like this, but if they already had it, then wouldn't have been much extra work to build a camera round it.
sony knew what they where doing, their aim was to make the most miniature camcorder possible, which they achieved, they realised they recording format was a dead duck but just wantead the kudos of being the smallest on the market.
It is kinda their thing. Or at least it was until Motorola and then Apple started pulling the rug out from them here and there.
I think they still have the record for the smallest usable cassette, CD, and vinyl players, for example. Back from when they actually made desirable, high quality gear, rather than relying on the badge alone to make sales :/
(to be fair, though, the Xperia Z phones are pretty slick too... however there's not much else the company makes that causes me to sit up and pay attention, and I've either had or seen enough issues with CD and Minidisc players/recorders of theirs, as well as boomboxes, portable radios, and TVs for the spell to have been broken)
Yeah but whether the recording drum is in the camera, or in a cartridge, it's still the same volume either way?
There literally is no rational reason to have this how it was.
If you look inside a sony 8mm camcorder most of the space is taken up by the tape loading mechanism not the head
Yeah that makes sense.
fascinating "solution" to the miniaturization problem. I actually love solutions that come about when somebody asks the question that everyone's overlooked up to then (in this case "why do we need all that extra junk to load and eject tapes?").
Ahahaha! That's stupid! Might as well buy a camera with a super 8 tape and re-use the 2 hour tape over and over again! No wonder Sony didn't want you to take it apart, they were ripping you off ahahaha!
I was shocked when you opened that cartridge! I did not expect little spools of High8 video tape. I used High8 back in the 90's. I always said I would have the tapes transferred to some better storage option in the future. I thought VHS looked awful back then.
that little stargate fact made me happier than it should have
I really did enjoy this video, and I especially love the part whereas, 11:47 "And I know whats killing everyone now.... WHATS IN THE CARTRIDGE"
This is completely spot on. Great to see you know how the minds of 1,000's of viewers want :D
The world was a scary place before cheap flash.
Thanks! I've been badgering you to do a review of this for ages! Great stuff!
That wrinkled shirt spoiled the whole video for me. Next time do a test shot.
Helge Frisenette check the description box, he mentions this and why he did it
Nikki Babaii This is getting confusing. ;-)
You are kidding, aren't you?
You MUST be kidding!
I mean I had to go back to see if he was even wearing a shirt.
Than again, I watch for the (excellent) info, not for the fashion show :-)
How he presents himself is an important part of the show. I enjoy his understated style. I can't be the only one who notices his dapper and smart attire.
Helge Frisenette no RUclipsr deserves a viewer like this.
Love these lost format videos Matt. I was of course expecting it to be a hard drive! Amazing, never knew this existed.
Yeh, like a smaller version of a hard drive from an old IBM PS/2, they were a similar shape, taller than modern HD's. I'm not the only one then Maxx, thank you.
Guh!
No Puppets!?
:[
( ...cool old Tech though√ )
Maxx Fordham
I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.
Great episode! Enjoyed it very much!
Please , lease , lease iron your shirt before making videos. It's vet disrespectful.
next you'll say I have to wear pants.
No, I'm ok with that. I'm not either !
i expect you to wear atleast underpants
Bazahaza Please, please, please read your comment BEFORE posting it.
hy? hat as rong ith t? LOL!
The big giveaway was the picture tearing at the bottom of screen caused by the head switching on analogue recorders.
Wait, is that what that is? It makes sense, but I never knew. Did this happen with 4-headed recorders? Were there any other mitigation techniques? It makes sense. Could improper tracking cause the same phenomenon?
I enjoyed this quite a lot. I love learning about qwirky one offs that were intended to solve a problem but instead turned out to be bad ideas.
so basically this is a VHS tape, but the entire VCR is inside the VHS tape. not hard to imagine why it's so expensive.
Jes This camera may have been discontinued.
I really enjoy your vids. There is so much bizarre tech stuff that most people never come across. Thanks for sharing!
I bought a Ruvi used back in the day and used it like a GoPro for outdoor activities like snow skiing. Then, I transferred the Ruvi video onto my larger Digital8 tapes for archive and editing. If you view the Ruvi as a primary camcorder, it was a dumb idea. But think of it like a secondary action camera, and the Ruvi was pretty nice!