I actually clicked on this video just because of the thumbnail / title combo, well played... And great essay! You know, I'm something of a chroma key enthusiast myself
I have only seen one matte from Melies, and that is when he appears in a picture frame as a painting, the rest of his shot are just double exposures. There is no glass in front of the camera, that won't be figured out for quite some time now, he is just using black backgrounds, rewinding the film, and making a new pass.That is a little simplified, but it is a simple trick that he does brilliantly. The Great Train Robbery is a matte, but again, no glass is used, there is just a black curtain behind the glass-less window. The window frame is white, so the mid part of the frame will burn through the train footage and sell the idea that it is a window. My guess after they got a good take, some sort of matte box was placed over the lens, they placed some pieces of black cardboard onto the matte box, blocking out the set, rewound the film, and went to the train yard and shot a train. Both are simple effects, and done expertly, but they are different. The sodium vapor matte was used in England for years before Disney, while on vacation visited Rank Film Lab, and saw the process. They had their own camera, so there were two cameras altogether, but Ub was too cheap to buy a prism from them, so he made his own. But the process again was used before in such films as Mysterious Island. Did you get this misinformation from books, or from other youtube videos? You may want to re-write some of it and do it over, anyway, that is what I would do. If there is anything that you do not understand that I wrote, you can always ask for a better more thought out response. And don't worry, many other youtube folks, and even articles online have all these mistakes as well. Sorry for the long dour reply, cheers, good luck in other videos.
That’s very interesting! All information I found were from peer reviewed journals and text books. So I’m just going off what I’ve researched. This was for a university class so I’m no expert in the topic. Clearly you should be the one making the video with all that knowledge you’re flexing in the comments!
@@KaneMidge I plan to make a video on this in the Fall. I wonder what that really means "peer reviewed", if it is just college professors, then it does not mean much. No actual effects artist in their 60's or above would believe such stuff, they would recognize how these tricks were done. What has happened is folks found out how matte paintings were accomplished, and thought that must be the same matting technique George used, but that latent image matte technique wasn't invented till some time late, probably in the teens? I don't have my research right at hand. A quick internet search also confirms that everyone has the wrong idea of how George made his films, they all say he used glass, wow. If you watch the film Hugo, they pretty much show how it was done. Also, you don't have to believe me, just watch George Melies show you how it is done. ruclips.net/video/GQb_Z2RPAms/видео.html You will see from this film that there is indeed no use for glass in the shot. About me, I have studied this for years, and experimented in these types of effects, talked to industry professionals, seen many old props for films, and was a professional animator myself. If you like I can always remove my original comment if you find it too harsh. Watch the link I sent, and enjoy.
I actually clicked on this video just because of the thumbnail / title combo, well played...
And great essay! You know, I'm something of a chroma key enthusiast myself
I came in to stop by on what this man is doing nowadays and he just posted, what are the odds.
Good content mate
dude this video is amazing, I love the editing
Good lord, you deserve a ton of views on this. Very entertaining and well put together. I hope your channel blows up
it's always super impressive too see what people achieved in film before computers were used. Great video!
Criminally underwatched video. Very well done, thank you
Big love, your videos are some of the most entertaining on RUclips 🖤
Outstanding content. Great video.
Thank you for making this video. i learned a lot from this :)
Thanks man, I learned allot from this.
I need one video explaining how it works. What about the green makes it “disappear”
I have only seen one matte from Melies, and that is when he appears in a picture frame as a painting, the rest of his shot are just double exposures. There is no glass in front of the camera, that won't be figured out for quite some time now, he is just using black backgrounds, rewinding the film, and making a new pass.That is a little simplified, but it is a simple trick that he does brilliantly. The Great Train Robbery is a matte, but again, no glass is used, there is just a black curtain behind the glass-less window. The window frame is white, so the mid part of the frame will burn through the train footage and sell the idea that it is a window. My guess after they got a good take, some sort of matte box was placed over the lens, they placed some pieces of black cardboard onto the matte box, blocking out the set, rewound the film, and went to the train yard and shot a train. Both are simple effects, and done expertly, but they are different. The sodium vapor matte was used in England for years before Disney, while on vacation visited Rank Film Lab, and saw the process. They had their own camera, so there were two cameras altogether, but Ub was too cheap to buy a prism from them, so he made his own. But the process again was used before in such films as Mysterious Island. Did you get this misinformation from books, or from other youtube videos? You may want to re-write some of it and do it over, anyway, that is what I would do. If there is anything that you do not understand that I wrote, you can always ask for a better more thought out response. And don't worry, many other youtube folks, and even articles online have all these mistakes as well. Sorry for the long dour reply, cheers, good luck in other videos.
That’s very interesting! All information I found were from peer reviewed journals and text books. So I’m just going off what I’ve researched. This was for a university class so I’m no expert in the topic. Clearly you should be the one making the video with all that knowledge you’re flexing in the comments!
@@KaneMidge I plan to make a video on this in the Fall. I wonder what that really means "peer reviewed", if it is just college professors, then it does not mean much. No actual effects artist in their 60's or above would believe such stuff, they would recognize how these tricks were done. What has happened is folks found out how matte paintings were accomplished, and thought that must be the same matting technique George used, but that latent image matte technique wasn't invented till some time late, probably in the teens? I don't have my research right at hand. A quick internet search also confirms that everyone has the wrong idea of how George made his films, they all say he used glass, wow. If you watch the film Hugo, they pretty much show how it was done. Also, you don't have to believe me, just watch George Melies show you how it is done. ruclips.net/video/GQb_Z2RPAms/видео.html You will see from this film that there is indeed no use for glass in the shot. About me, I have studied this for years, and experimented in these types of effects, talked to industry professionals, seen many old props for films, and was a professional animator myself. If you like I can always remove my original comment if you find it too harsh. Watch the link I sent, and enjoy.
Also, I do know it is not easy making youtube videos, so thanks for making this one.
interesting and great
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