Audi's F1 Project In Trouble AGAIN!
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- 🏎️ Is Audi's F1 Dream in Jeopardy? 🚨 Uncertainty looms over Audi's future in Formula 1 amidst reports of financial struggles and a revolving door of leadership changes, casting doubt on their ability to compete at the highest level. With key figures like CEO Marcus Deusmann and Chief Design Officer Oliver Hoffman exiting or rumored to leave, the stability of Audi's F1 campaign is questioned, leaving fans wondering if they'll ever see the iconic Audi colors on the F1 grid. 💼 Adding to the intrigue, General Motors' involvement in Andreti's F1 bid presents a potential game-changer, with discussions swirling around possible collaborations and a bid for entry into the prestigious motorsport series. 🤔 Could Andreti seize the opportunity presented by Audi's turmoil? Will we witness a major shake-up in the F1 grid? Join us as we delve into the latest developments surrounding Audi's F1 saga and the potential ripple effects across the motorsport world. Don't miss out on this gripping narrative unfolding in the heart of Formula 1!
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Andretti's Already Got An F1 Car: ruclips.net/video/nTDzLihEIxU/видео.html
F1 backing Audi so heavily while doing their best to shoot down Andretti is getting pretty embarassing with this constant Audi cold feet type news
Oh yeah, considering that the CEO of Audi has not been glowing of the project and now two of its bastions are gone or going.
They do a similar thing with F1TV Pro and ViaPlay in the Netherlands.
We can't get F1TV year subscriptions anymore whilst ViaPlay has financial issues for which they had to raise the price far above F1TV. 🤌
There is no news about the PU project since at least a year ago. That news wasn't stellar. From Mercedes, Ferrari and RBPT there is sometimes a sliver of good news. Porsche wasn't interested really and now I start questioning, did Audi want really or did they want what Porsche was promised? The FOM (Domenicali ex VW (Lamborghini) executive) wants WV in F1 and preferable Porsche for their heritige in motorsports. Audi does have heritige in F1 as Auto-Union. I don't understand why that isn't exploited in marketing.
Presumeble Andretti was asked to join F1 at the same point in time as Haas. Gene Haas said yes in a time with no budgetcaps and ATR allocations. Andretti wants to join on the cheap now and is pegged back.
F1 (FOM) does want America but not neccecery an Ametican team. American sponsor money is sufficient.
Porsche was interested. They just wanted more control over RBPT than RB wanted to give up. It never made much sense anyway. When Audi has its own team and engine what’s the point of Porsche since both brands are owned by VW anyway?
@@seashackf1
What was the point of Audi and Porsche competing against eachother in WEC and more specific Le Mans? Porsche never was interested in F1 anyway. The credelibility of Porsche comes with sportscars and not F1. Pprsche only wanted F1 if it could be done on their terms and their terms only. Audi was more compliant in that and the went with a long term backmarker and a second hand PU project (Porsche). F1 wanted Pprsche and got the other VW brand. This brand however has more credebility in GP racing than Porsche has. Audi once was called Auto-Union.
I am happy....
I am happy that williams finally has the display integrated into the steering....
Yeah, now it looks like a Dorito.
@@LawVSBut hey it benefits both drivers..
The sheer amount of history that would be combined with an Andretti-Sauber team would be absolutely amazing
I reckon Andretti respects the engineering experience of Sauber as well as their tenacity.
What's sad is that f1 is giving the full support and coverage for a team that isn't even sure being on the grid.
While giving the boot to the team, that's actually committed to joining the grid.
Yeah, I'm sure that FOM are having many headaches right now. What with OTHER things going on, it's making the existing grid look incredibly shaky.
Audi's F1 plans are a bit older than GM's so there is some logic there.
As an American F1 fan(pre d2s lol) it both fascinates and frustrates me that Andretti isn’t in. If you want to reach American audiences that don’t currently care they need an actual recognizable name HAAS is not it
This idea of TEN TEAMS ONLY is getting pretty aggravating.
@@LawVS I’d love to know the economics at play here and how more teams apparently don’t equal more revenue for F1. I mean we know the FIA is willing to go racing anywhere for money and abandon legacy tracks and entire countries. So I assume that they’d add teams for money?
@@Slingsomeleadthe pie is getting larger, and the existing players don't want an interloper getting any of it. Even if said interloper is a great chef with expertise in various dishes an the ability to add a flavor that would help enhance the pie.
Of course, apply the relevant terms and you've got the situation with F1 more or less.
none of our countries have a team…stop acting so entitled!!!!
@@LawVSit would be ok if they didnt use the value argument, like haas brings anything of value to the grid
as a german Audi frustrates me, they drop all their endurance heritage for this F1 entry which may not even happen and even if it does i just do not see them be competitive for many years to come
2 years and then pull out
hmm. This is very interesting. 5 second Penalty for Ocon then?
No but in all seriousness the situation is grim. imo We really need audi w sauber and Andretti as the 11th team. First the extra seats are important for talented drivers. Sauber would be more expensive to get for andretti and it might be a bit more difficult.
Indeed. The ideal situation is Andretti is being their own team...but this seems like now the best opportunity. Give Audi $500m to go away and Andretti will have a team.
Depends what the fee of entry is going to be. Buying a team now instead of gambling on becoming the 11th team after the price of entry has tripled might be cost effective
@@annebokma4637Actually according to European law F1 has to accept Andretti as a Team. So maybe they aren’t pokerfacing for nothing.
I don't think you have ever made a video that isnt S tier mate.
Joined your channel.
These videos were always recommended to me, watched them all, didn't realize I wasn't subscribed. Am now 😊
@@richardn3387 yeah I’ve been subbed for a bit but YT allows you to join and support the channel now
Andretti sauber would be good
It almost happened in 2021.
It has a nice ring to it.
How about Andretti-Haas?
Sauber doesn't need to be there just Andretti will do
Dammit, Law, you've put the idea of Andretti-Sauber into my head and now I can't let it go.
I dont understand why Audi keeps creating drama. I understand, their road cars may be selling slightly worse than expected, but it's a massive car company in the massive VW group. I doubt they are on the verge of bankruptcy. On top of that, f1 teams these days make money, even if you aren't doing well on the grid. But if they really decide to pull out, massive opportunity for Andretti, and I hope they can capitalize.
It's simply down to the CEO of Audi wanting to tighten the pursestrings and if selling their shares in Sauber for nearly half a billion dollars can help, then they will seriously consider it; especially since two of their former bastions of the F1 project are gone or going.
@@LawVS I See their reasoning, I just think it's an incredibly flawed plan long term. I want to see Audi in the sport like many others, and it would be really disappointing to see them leave like this.
VW's money may not be always available for rescue and would come with severe reduction in Audi top-brass salary.
It’s mind boggling that one of the worst team in F1 is worth $1B! lol The Ford GM rivalry in F1 would be fantastic for the sport, especially with bringing in new viewers,,
What if, when rejecting #11 Andretti team 2-3 weeks ago the FIA knew of "whats coming down" w/ Audi? The reasons FIA provided were cabaret level, worthy of Monty Python. With current developments the FIA not only saved an existing team (Sauber), but saved Andretti a bundle $$$$. Remember, that Andretti refused to accept the FIA "decision" and decided to pursue the car/team development, as if Andretti also knew.
This is such a convoluted and roundabout manner to get Andretti to go away or tow their own lines.
@@Lewytheflyas far as I understand they could technically show up to the races. It would be unheard of, but they could drive and get awarded points. They could not get prize money, take part in press events or have their cars shown on TV.
@@Lewythefly officially yes, but something entirely different went on behind the scenes
Sorry but it's not. Blume could have already pulled the plug if he wanted to. Doesn't necessarily mean that it won't happen but if they wanted to, they would've already done so. Hoffman is not really in charge of that decision or is even the reason why this project is still on the table. They don't need to fire him in order to pull out of F1. Also we have to remember that Blume also wanted to be in F1 in a partnership with RedBull when he was still the CEO of Porsche. So he is not against an F1 entry in general. Maybe he would've even liked if it was Porsche that partnered up with Sauber in hindsight. Rebranding everything from Audi to Porsche was even rumored before as well.
Also regarding Andretti: Audi cannot just sell their stake to anyone. There is a 1000% chance that there is a clause in the contract where Rausing would be able to buy back the stake if Audi pulls out. This is a billion dollar company we are talking about, not a used PS4. Audi makes the team immensly more valuable just by their name recognition / brand value and the money / knowhow that will be injected into the Sauber company / the Hinwil base. And because Rausing will still own at least 25% of Sauber, this makes his stake more valuable as well. Andretti doesn't have the same brand value to it so Rausing would never ever agree to that. Especially because firstly, Rausing is not eager to sell his whole stake (which Andretti would want), otherwise he already would've done it with Audi, secondly, Andretti would most likely cut spending or even close down the Hinwil base, making Rausing's asset almost worthless. Rausing has a very hot asset in his hands and could use it as bait to attract other manufacturers that are maybe eyeing on a full works entry in the future. Andretti is just very vocal in the media but there are plenty more interesting partners out there.
Nothing against your video, it's great and provides all the important points for this discussion but i feel like F1 media is just obsessed with putting out headlines about Audi even if there is nothing to it if one thinks about it for a second. And if there is no statement from Audi to some random media rumours everybody acts like this is a sign that they will definitely pull out and if they do put out a statement everybody interprets it as Audi getting cold feet / panicking and therefore pulling out as well. All to further cultivate the topic and put out more articles about it. Audi could pull the plug whenever they want to. They don't need to axe manager xy to do so. I personally don't think it will happen but who kows really. But overreacting because of the slightest thing that is happening in Neuburg is also not that sensible.
Name a better interested partner than Andretti.
remember when h\Honda pulled out? the car market is at at very unpredictable point at the moment with the transition to electric cars. If the numbers start to look bad they might to pull out.
Andretti definitely wants to be the 11th team for many reasons 1) In control of all aspects and no sharing with others 2) determined to beat others and show his worth 3) ultimate ' screw you' to Stefano he's tried the other methods before which haven't worked. He's determined to do things the hard way. Also other sponsors/ businesses are more likely to buy out the other teams ( but usually it is when it is more perilous especially with the economic situation will impact F1 over the next 2-3 years)
00:07 - Wholeheartedly disagree with the sentiment portrayed. I thought it was a shame nobody talked about Andretti anymore.
I know but some folk tell me to let it go. I can't. We can't.
I swear you used to do the voice for Goku
That's right!
Volkswagen are such a crybaby . Either commit fully or not . F1 really gave Audi green line but not andretti
This vocal vascillating is starting to get incredibly annoying.
And then Sauber gave us a green line in return - of paint! 😂
Hey, got a link to the article here at 5:20? I'd like to take a further read myself.
Sure - autogear.pt/en/general-motors-wants-a-meeting-to-discuss-rejected-f1-candidacy/
@@LawVS Thanks.
Insightful and with a large amount of information . You also went into the details which is appreciated. Thank you!
Why not give the projekt over to porsche? Even just a collaboration should be easy, since both companies are a part of VW and share parts (and surely knowledge as well) in the automotive division.
*sigh* ...and so even if the Andretti name gets in fans won't have an 11th team AND Sauber + all it's employees will be lost!
It's been obvious from the off that Audi's 'entry' has been motivated by "Wouldn't it be nice if Audi won some F1 championships?" Followed by a rummage under the sofa to see if they had the loose change to buy an ailing F1 team. No enthusiasm displayed, no attempt to get ahead of the game with Sauber before they officially hit the track. I expect Audi will quickly pull the plug when success doesn't come, if not before entry.
On a wider front, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Manufacturer teams are poison to F1 - they are only in it for the marketing, and no matter how successful will pull the plug just as soon as said success inevitably disappears, leaving F1 and the bereft team high-and-dry. I sincerely wish F1 would stop perusing major car manufacturers and encourage entries and existing teams that are in it for F1 itself... Oh, Andretti..?
*sigh* Yes, yes... Ferrari. A somewhat different case, don't you think?
As are McLaren, Red Bull (paradoxically), Aston Martin and Mercedes. Mercedes built dedicated facilities, Aston Martin is dumping many millions of dollars into getting to the top of the grid, Red Bull is constantly looking to improve on their previous successes and set records, and McLaren is like Ferrari in that they need F1 to survive in the first place
You do a really good job of analysis of F1…truly. I haven’t seen anyone summarize in such a short videos some pretty complex stuff.😊
I personally know the Andretti’s, having had business with Michael, and broken bread with Mario. Michael is a very fierce competitor when it comes to business, but I perceive he feels he has always been living under the shadow of his father - and is constantly fighting his way out of that shadow. 👍
He’s done fantastically when he realized that he was an OK driver, but a really good business person.
Being told no is something that his father absolutely will not accept at all, and he has just expanded upon that as he has matured over the years.
He is not gonna give up on Formula One, because he considers it once again him being relegated as an inferior Player in a sport that he feels he is a damn good player indeed…and he truly is😉
I think your analysis is right on the money, and I got a feeling that he’s been banging on that Sauber door the last few weeks…and may even be already in the process of trying to put together a deal.
If he get pissed off, he gets even more focused…Let’s see what happens!😁👌
F1 and Company really showing how scared they are of GM…
Any news from hi tech who also are not allowed in and are actually accepting it?
Omg!! You hit 40k subs !!!! Congrats !!!
You ought to make an update video on this, because it seems like you got it wrong...
Just wanted to say that I absolutely do appreciate the business talk!
Actually, there were 24 teams at one time. They had pre-qualifying, so, only the 20 fastest teams started two teams went home. So they've run that model before and it worked out well. You're misinformed.
HAAS is the Ha Ha of the grid. From their failed multiple failed sponsorships to the natural humor of Gunter Steiner who was the beating heart of that team. 🎭
Dude , your channel rocks ! You do you & you'll blow up , just keeping it real . Thx for the content !
If he did buy out Audi, why would he keep anything of Sauber? Seems to me he already has duplicate facilities in a better location for gathering the proper talent.
F1 is scared of a team that has a habit of winning in any motorsport they enter.
Yet they want them to be competitive...that was one of the reasons they stipulated themselves for any new entry.
@LawVS they love pointing and laughing at the dumb incompetent "American" team that is HAAS. They really don't want the real thing.
😂😂😂 Andretti, any new team, would be THE BACKMARKER for several seasons in a row… stop thinking that Andretti knows anything abt designing a fast F1 car with constant changing regs. Even in spec series Indycar they can’t win 😂😂
ohh my dumb american, this is f1, it will took 5 6 years to andretti just to compete with top 3 teams, forgot about winning
For them to drop all their motorsports programs to then drop F1, that won't be a good look for VW Group
F1 seem to be making it hard for GM to commit to a engine by 2028 by not granting a license to Andretti for 2028 , just leaving the door open is not good enough he needs a definite yes and then GM can fully commit
Why don’t they start with just supplying engines to Sauber, and postpone the sauber to Audi morph till 2028. Atleast if they have an engine on the grid, they’ll have something to show to the world other than failure in F1
But still prefer Cadillac/Andretti... This does put a smile on My Face!... 😏😉😎
I suppose. Ideally both teams would be on the docket.
@@LawVS - Yes It Does!...
16:30 - I don’t think it’s gonna have the VCA name in there.
Ford(‘s) Racing Bulls
FRB. That would be my guess in that case.
I'd dig that alternative name
Law, I don’t know how you do it. You put out so many videos, with GREAT content. It seems like you’re going non-stop yet, there is no dip in quality of content. I’m so glad I found your channel!
okay one thing i really don't understand is how is having more races better but more racers is not?
Alpine Andretti could either be a good exit plan for alpine if they do that again, or a good placeholder until andretti gets an 11th team in 2028 potentially, and you couldn't say they dont have experience.
Sauber’s design history is strong?! They should’ve been able to pull off many Jordan/FI-like seasons yet during 30+ years they’ve had only 1-2 seasons where they were close to that. You can’t count the 06-07 seasons as the BMW factory team.
I don't see the RB idea. Not with Ford on board. Sauber is the most likely option. It would be good to see Andretti and Sauber on the grid as one name. And there would be bog all the other teams could do about it. Frankly, I'd laugh myself sick!
Yeah I don't see it either, really.
As much as I have enjoyed watching F1 as an American, and as much as I wanted them to succeed, I knew from the beginning HAAS would end up slow until either bought out for partnered with by a legendary figure like Lewis Hamilton or Michael Schumacher (had injury not happened). They were a backmarker team in NASCAR until Tony Stewart bought Majority stake in the team and they went From Haas CNC to Stewart Haas Racing.
I really hope they are competitive once/if they get into F1. It would be so damn statisfying.
They just out from and resume develop their LMDh program like how Aston Martin revive LMH Valkyrie. Its more better since they the most Successful team on WEC and Joest now have free from Glickenhaus this could be better choice rather than grinding on F1
Another option for Andretti may be to buy out RB if Zac Brown's concerns are fully accepted by F1.
Imagine changing the rules to suit the VAG demand, and end up with 0/2 VAG teams on the grid.
“BUSINESS, BUSINESS, BUSINESS. Numbers. Is this working?”
What an unexpected and interesting turn of events. I want to see where this goes.
I think we all do. Can Michael Andretti get the deal done a second time around?
@@LawVSI can see this going a few different ways: 1) Audi sticks to the plan, 2) Sauber somehow survives, or 3) Audi gets cold feet and sells their shares of Sauber to GM and Andretti in order to cut their losses.
Haven’t watched but has anyone heard anything about Porsche execs wanting to take over the Audi project? It would still be Audi but staff decided by Porsche? Just me? Then I’d like to spread that rumor.
I hadn't heard that, no.
Get rid of the second teams and let the teams be on heir on their own. Let Andretti in. It would all make FI more competitive and ton more fun.
So I noticed quite a while ago while doing a quick search into jobs in Motorsport that Audi has already started hiring. I’d hope they don’t pull out because if they’ve already hired people they would be screwing people out of jobs
I dare say that is Andretti does buy Sauber, Sauber itself will be left out in the wind with a large amount of the workforce left out in the cold. Due to how long Andretti has been at this they almost certainly have a full team staffed by this time and them buying Sauber will result in a crap tone of redundancies.
True. It's not the best solution but it's seemingly the only option Andretti has to get in anytime soon.
The Renault/Alpine team went only downhill from 2019 on, then Ottmar resigning, Alonso jumping ship, losing Piastri, it is loss after loss after loss.
I don’t understand why Audi have spent so long saying they are going to enter but never have. Another thing is, although they probably would do very well, they do have a habbit of entering a sport, think Rally with Quattro and Le Mans with the R8, and then just walking away totally.
As for Ford being paired with Red Bull that everyone gets wrong, they are not building an engine at all. RB Powertrains are doing that. Ford are only in it to learn about hybrid systems for use in their road cars.
Did F1 dictate to Audi that they had to provide value and, supply engines to other teams as they did to Andretti?
They wanted to gradually enter over time.
All I'm gonna say is that Andretti pulling up with their drivers in like... corvettes or cadillacs doing big VRROOM (because the caddies do have huge engines after the refacing of the brand), throw the WEC Hypercar/an old Andretti indycar (or the f1 championship Lotus 79 that mario ran)...
It would singlehandedly get more hype than any of the antics they have been pulling out (the football helmets, rapper intros, etc.) - because let's be honest, as entertaining as those are, nobody worldwide (INCLUDING THE AMERICANS THERE) thinks it looks good.
with electric car transitioning being unpredictable a lot of manufacturers could pull out if they don't get it right.
I think Audi should've never left Formula E, completely shot themselves in the foot by doing that.
Well, the last time Andretti tried to buy Sauber, they had to buy the whole bank that was the majority stakeholder of Sauber for $2 billion dollars, not the $600 million Audi bought. Is Andretti going to have to buy Audi not just the Sauber stake this time? I think that is a bigger investment than the bank... Andretti buying a current team or bringing a new team thing is just a huge farce at this point. The F1 teams have said no to Andretti and with Haas, this is just a joke that Haas is allowed to sully the name of F1, and a team that would actually be competitive is not allowed in...
What are you? An attic worker? Interesting set...
6:57 damm what an undarated reference
Do you see the recent celebrity investors being happy with a falling Alpine team? Perhaps they will put pressure on Alpine to perform or sell, so they can get some ROI, or continue on with a team (Andretti), that they feel will grow their investment. I can't see the celebrities wanting their names tied to a losing team. They are, after all, winners in their own genres.
Whilst I would welcome Andretti as a replacement for someone like Haas, or yeah even for Sauber if the Audi arrangement falls through, honestly I would much rather they joined as a new team so we just had more cars and more drivers on track.
When Audi wanted to do Dakar it took three years to win it but it was more luck due to others having flats or break downs and Carlos wasn't really pushing cause his teammates had troubles so if it takes them that long to win Dakar how long would it take to win in f1 ?
Wasn't the whole reason they "became" lotus was because Renault was technically suspended from the championship for two years due to crashgate?
I didn't think so since they were in for 2010.
I think FOM just denies Andretti because they know they are going to need then in the near future to buy Haas, Sauber or Alpine
Just a thought: GM powered Williams...
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2:47 It's definitely not surprising to a long time American F1 fan that FOM doesn't take anything America related seriously. Even after the DTS related related surge in F1 popularity in the US, all they do is pander to US audiences. It's actually kind of insulting at this point.
It's also quite one-way.
Wonder if they been on the phone to Horner to front them?
Nope. Just VW vascillating.
Andretti with an Audi power unit would be a great solution
Considering Audi got cold feet on their Hypercar project and binned it (that project was one of the reasons they withdrew from Formula E) I'm not surprised that they might be getting cold feet with their F1 project.
Manufacturers come and go in motorsport, in part due to their own economic situations. WEC is in the midst of a manufacturer boom right now (19 cars from 9 manufacturers), especially with the fact that they can build cars to the LMDh spec which can compete in both WEC and IMSA (which Porsche, BMW, Lambo and Cadillac have taken advantage of), but is it sustainable? I'm a little sceptical on that to be honest, the cynical side of me can see some of them (e.g. Isotta and Alpine) pulling out in five years or so if they're not getting results and the top class heading back to how it was towards the end of the LMP1 era. FE's manufacturer boom proved short-lived, even though it still has major players there such as Jaguar, DS, Nissan, Maserati and McLaren, but the latter two aren't building their own powertrains at this point in time.
A championship with a large manufacturer presence is on somewhat shaky ground in my opinion, as people at the top of these companies change and priorities can change with them in terms of whether to have any motorsport programs or not. Look at the DTM for example and how it had to essentially switch disciplines from the (admittedly really expensive) loosest sense of Touring Cars to one among many GT3 series to survive. Manufacturers are powerful enough that if enough of them leave a series over a period of time, it could bring said series to its knees, which is what happened to DTM when Mercedes pulled out leaving just Audi and BMW and indeed in WEC when Toyota were left as the only major manufacturer in LMP1 for three years and promptly cleaned up the competition.
I get the feeling Audi will stop all their Motorsport endeavours soon
i dont get what the obsession with keeping the swiss base if its just an old facility where people work and audi doesnt want it just junk it and ask the people to move since it sounds like the majority of their people arent starting there anyways
It's mainly out of history and their engineering prowess as well as being a Swiss institution.
Back at it again my number one source of f1 news 😂
How likey would they allow fewer teams on the grid while rejecting Andretti?
They want to keep 10
It's a little shocking that Audi is screwing around. They sure didn't in IMSA and WEC in the late 90's early 2000's.
It's Volkswagen Group overall situation due to their poor EV sales and now backtracking. This also put into question where Carlos will decide to go.
Not helping when the two main bastions are chucked out.
If Sauber has failed this year campaign, I'm not surprised audi will pull out the plug entirely on F1
Yeah I think things will get worrisome if they're not better than 8th.
So this becomes Andretti-Sauber-Audi?
I want so bad for Andretti to find a way onto the grid.
The current head of Audi, has been plotting to get them out of the Sauber deal since he took over. He doesn't see the benefit of F1 at all and is more about the bottom line.
That December comment didn't inspire me with confidence...he basically said the plan is still there...that's it.
Seems that I've been hearing that Audi has had cold feet about entering F1 ever since it was announced.
I like the Andretti-Renault idea, the name even has a very prestigious, nostalgic ring to it
Yeah that could the least destructive in terms of jobs.
@@LawVS I personally think Andretti should come in on its own, but being the Enstone team really would cement them as a serious team with the “heritage” they apparently lack
Andretti should buy VCARB or just let them in.
Someone in FOM has a bug up their ass about Andretti. Not sure who or what happened, but something happened.
Audi probably thought it was just going to be a quick, dump some money and the investment returns. Not realizing just what it takes to run a winning F1 team. They need to take over more and get better engineers in, better everyone.
well if Alpine is P8 this year I think thats IT for Renault then, sell to Andretti. So Soon the Americans might have plenty to choose from not just own 11th team but Sauber or Alpine, maybe even HAAS as Gene finally gets enough of being P10
Agreed. If Alpine don't make much progress and fall backward BEHIND Williams...I reckon Alpine will contact Andretti and figure something out.
😂😂 Alpine has a fast car this season. And great new investors. Alpine is doing great
@@LawVS 😂😂 Alpine has a fast car this season. And great new investors. Alpine is doing great. You didn’t watch or listen to the testing today…. They are sandbagging… and the cars is actually doing much better than the timing shows.
I would prefer to see Andretti-Cadillac AND Audi in F1
one thing that i don't like of sauber, is sauber itself it is like a sowless team that sells the entire name to the highest bidder, the name sauber is always wrong to call the team that name but it is the right name, I hope that the next buyer beeng audi or andretti will wroot out the sauber name. i dont like to much the title sponsor expecially those that take on too much of the name (visa cashapp, moneygram haas) but a team that the hole identity is just a sponsor ... when they were alfa romeo it seemd to me that they would have stayed that way there were also rumors of alfa romeo buying out the entire team then audi came, right now it is called stake and soon it will change name. Sorry for the rant
I saw someone say "It would have been a nail in the coffin for F1 if Audi didn't join" (yes this was on F1Twt)
If Audi withdrew it would make FOM look silly.
F1 wants 11 teams.
They want only factory teams. Andretti will be welcome when they bring GM.
If Andretti bought Sauber, couldn't he still use GM/Cadillac as the power unit?
Yes of course. It's mainly buying the slot.
Could we be at risk of Audi backing out, Sauber dissolving, Haas imploding, and Andretti getting burned out... Where we see an 8 team grid in the future?
I doubt Sauber are dying. Stake and Kick has tons of cash to prop them up for a while.
@@LawVS I'm a little nervous about them making it if Audi backs out. I know what I presented was a worst case scenario, one I hope is not on the horizon.
nothing you said will happen
I would call the team Andretti-Sauber two great names that sound great together😊
Sounds good.
As much as I want Haas to sell to Andretti, I’d love to see Andretti just embarrass Haas in their first year in F1.
I think that would be catharsis
Let him in!!!
If Horner does bite the dust I see him returning to F1 with his own team and financial backers. Horner could EASILY put together $1.5 billion. There's rumblings that the F1 Vegas deal isn't water tight and the locals aren't happy with the 3 month preparation schedule. The biggest opponents against an Andretti bid seem to have their hands full.
Maybe but I seriously think this whole thing will damage F1's credibility and competency.
Formula 1 is going to issue another embarrassing statement saying that Andretti is not eligible and will not enter Formula 1 because even the almighty Audi that they've been backing 110% into F1 are worried that they might not make it because it's soooo difficult, so a nobody like Andretti, which is nowhere near Audi will surely be no match and they're just gonna embarrass themselves, so they kindly protect Andretti from such a thing by just saying "no you can't"
If that happened, we would riot.