Why This Game Wasn't Released in the US | Persona 2: Innocent Sin Recap
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"Now that we assemble mount olympus, it's time to end fascism." gotta be my favourite line from this amazing video
"How we go 0 to Hitler?" Is one of my favorites quotes now lmao
For some reason when I was in high school I thought Eikichi was just the coolest character in a video game and I tried to look exactly like him.
Bc Eikichi is the coolest
Nah he is tho lol
I thought Eikichi was a butch woman
the way i see persona lore is that 1 and innocent sin are the original timeline in which nyarlathotep and philemon are duking it out hardcore, and then at the end of innocent sin an alternate timeline is created by philemon starting with eternal punishment. i see eternal punishment as kind of the bridge between p1 and innocent sins and 3, 4, 5 and i think philemon created yet another timeline for 3/4/5. since nyarlathotep and philemon are eternally destined to battle it out, nyarlathotep enlists various threats like nyx, izanami, and yaldabaoth to torment society but philemon loses more and more power with each timeline that is created and leaves igor to basically enlist the protagonists to fight against evil in his stead and can only appear in the 3/4/5 timeline as the blue butterfly, guiding the players to the velvet room
I like this idea
I don't think it's necessarily another timeline just for 3-5. It's more that Innocent Sin is off on its own separate branch, with the split point being whether or not the group met as kids. After Eternal Punishment, Philemon and Nyarlathotep are both in weakened states, so they rely on other means like you mentioned. So the two timelines are:
- P1-P2IS
- P1-P2EP-P3-P4-P4A-P4AU-P4D-P5-P5T-P5S
Though technically there's a third timeline for the FemC route of P3P
@@molberding5 why wouldnt IS be connected to EP? I mean all that happened was a uni reset in IS, it’s still connected to EP.
@@critical_6164 I never said they didn't connect. It's just that Innocent Sin is explicitly a separate timeline from Eternal Punishment, and due to the events of Innocent Sin (the aforementioned universal reset), the rest of the series is in the Eternal Punishment timeline. P1 still happens in both timelines since it takes place before the branching point, but after that it's either Innocent Sin (the Masked Circle forms, the Earth stops) or Eternal Punishment (the Masked Circle never forms, time continues on for the rest of the series)
There are other links between the gmes too. Like how in all of them, rumors effecting reality is part of the plot, albeit not to Persona 2's degree. The Dark Hour, the Midnight Channel, the fact that Phantom Thieves cannot defeat a boss untill the public knows they're after their target, etc.
When they said P1 and P2 should be considered separate games from the rest of the persona series (3 onwards),
they weren't lying. These characters and this story are batshit insane.
I like it.
Yeah they are more of a SMT game than a modern persona game
P2 eternal punishment especially
I think you could make a case for 3 to be part of the old games despite the very different gameplay.
As someone who played all Persona games I personally put 4 and 5 in one group while 1, 2 IS/EP and 3 are in their own group. It's mainly about the atmosphere and story.
I'm willing to accept the SMT Games continue from the Persona 1&2 games. And the 3 4 5... Are just a seperate alternate timeline that isn't doomed
@@josephjennings3146 No, literally the first game takes place before even Persona 1
@@josephjennings3146 no, Persona series follows SMT:if... which happens _instead_ of SMT 1
Hitler wasn’t actually the reason Innocent Sin wasn’t localized. Atlus at the time only had the time resources to localized one of the games so they chose Eternal Punishment because they felt it had a more definitive ending. The reason why Hitler was censored in the remake was actually due to a rule in the Japanese rating system that said they weren’t allowed to have real people in their games.
You are correct, there's actually an interview with Gail Salamanca out there where he states this. The Hitler rumor is very over marketed but I can understand why people would think this. Funny enough this is the exact same reason why we didn't get Eternal Punishment PSP years later; EPP was Atlus's swan song on the PSP, so by the time Atlus USA was finished with Innocent Sin PSP Atlus JP had retired it's resources working on PSP titles. Honestly it was just a case of bad timing both times, nothing elaborate like the crazy rumors in the fandom.
@@SlyStrife Yeah, plus P4G came out the same year as Eternal Punishment PSP. It's clear where the priorities were. Glad we finally got the fan translation though
Christ on the cross i was not ready for the insanity. The fact the bad guy actually wins and absolutely FUCKS UP the earth is crazy by itself. But then the game just goes "btw we have time travel so we can undo this." I feel like every major plot point makes you go "but why?" Only for the game to explain and leave you even more confused.
1. Principle Hanya doesn't necessarily survive jumping out of the clock tower - I believe there's a rumour you need to spread to allow him to survive, otherwise he doesn't appear in the final chapter.
2. I believe Yukino isn't guaranteed to stay in the party after her colleague's death, so you can miss out on Durga if Yukino refuses to leave her wannabe lover's body behind.
3. Regarding father issues, the over overcoming of paternal figures is the most primal Jungian archetype...
1. Yes, gotta spread a rumor for that
2. Also true! You get a different outcome when the gang faces off against Anna
Actually, regarding Hanya, he supposedly did survive, but if you spread the rumor that he didn't then some students will comment on them seeing him running around only for him to then drop dead right then and there.
Those rumors are some scary shit.
Also it's funny because the personas are either greek or roman and that has strong themes(at least for the gods) of defeating the father to supplant him.
dude you’re literally so underrated the amount of effort you put into your videos is insane
@@court-court likewise gamer
When haven't I seen this comment on any other channel?
I'm sorry but I've seen it said on many channels.
For the record, the reason Todoroki suddenly became a good devil summoner is because Kyouji is using his body during the events of Persona 2.
So one could potentially say he did it...
WITH THE HELP OF KYOUJI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are seriously the first girl I've ever seen discussing early persona or SMT. After watching so much of this content made by guys, I genuinely thought that there were no other women who were interested in and played these games as I did. Courtney you are so epic! :D
20:29 "Bullying- knock it off." That hit me like a BRICK. Was not expecting that lmaooo
can’t believe cody ripped off eikichi’s song like that, where’s the justice
my god i put this in the background while at my job and i've had the best hour of my life you have a gift for comedic narration
The full name of Eikichi's band is actually Gas Chamber of Love. I thought it was the song until you brought up the name, so that's something.
Also, demon negotiation is nothing new. It's incredibly commonplace in mainline SMT.
If there's anything frustrating to come out of the disinvolvement with modern Persona from classic Persona coinciding the Devil Summoner timeline, it's the fact that to date Eternal Punishment has not gotten a remastered English dub on the PSP akin to its predecessor Innocent Sin. We've certainly gotten an English Sub, but the lack of acknowledgement can feel somewhat tedious.
making me sad because it's become very unlikely we'll see some sort of intercontinuity crossover or acknowledgement between those megaten series, now that none of the old guards work for the company anymore
13:16 For Todoroki. The reason he was a dumb detective turned smart and popular detective. Is because the character, Kyoji Kuzunoha, possessed him. He's from the original Devil Summoner. It's important that they noted he was a Devil Summoner for that very reason. The reason Kyoji is possessing him is because. Of the events of Devil Summoner 1. Where you, the MC, die along Kyoji. But your spirit is put into his body. And Kyoji is a spirit. Kyoji wants his body back but by the end. He let's the MC have his body and decides to go find another body to host
Originally because ATLUS USA is struggling to manage localization projects instead of doing the prior release they opt to localize the new one at that time
ATLUS USA was also starting to translate other Developers titles at the time too. 2000 was the first year where ATLUS USA translated 3 text heavy games released around the same time(Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, and Robopon). Also they had Both Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure and probably worked on the Localization of Maken X despite the game being published by Sega in North America and Europe. Either Innocent Sin or Eternal Punishment were going to get lost in the Shuffle.
@@costby1105 that too
Ever since I seen your persona 1 video I'm hooked and I actually enjoy the way you make your videos I'm hoping to see more
Your editing reminds me of brutal moose I like it
While the gameplay was a bit cumbersome due to the card requirements for certain persona and the possibility to miss out on certain fusion spells due to not using skills in the correct order, I absolutely loved this game because of the bizarre plot and how it perfectly encapsulates the batshit insane nature of rumors in how shit really hits the fan when you find out nazis and ancient aliens are involved out of nowhere- like you said going from 0 to hitler real quick
Edit: I wonder how the history Channel guys would react to this lol. Also hitler being included in this game was probably a ballsy and genius move because what other historical fascist villain has the most batshit insane rumors associated with himself
I wish these games were more accessible to play, they deserve some modern day ports. Also your video was amazing, definitely subscribing. I hope that you do a follow up with eternal punishment, but even if you don’t your style of humor is great I’m excited to see whatever you decide to make next
thank you!! eternal punishment is an exceptional game, a true gamer’s game. would never skip over it 😤
Someone talking about my favorite Persona game of all time in 2023? You got yourself a new subscriber
WOW
This 24 year old game is one heck of a trip🤯 Thank you for taking us on it!! Marvelously done video👍I know it's gonna get recognition it deserves very soon!
got recommend your p1 video, which i already watch, and i'm already halfway thru this one. always been interested in the persona series and knew it was sort of insane but didn't expect it to be THIS insane. thanks for taking the time to share your wonderful recap of the first two games they're very entertaining !!
"Hey Persona 2, what have you been up to?"
* cults, murder, the third reich *
"... jezus freaking christ."
These vids are so fantastic. The references are Nakeyjakey tier and I mean that in all the best ways. I seriously hope your channel takes off!
i freakin love that guy. that's an exceptional compliment thank you!!
I’m living for these videos, the editing is immaculate
It's been 2 months,
And yet I still have no idea what the 1998 movie Armageddon ft. Ben Affleck, Bruce Willis, Steve Buscemi, Liv Tyler and possibly Owen Wilson is.
It's a shame.
if i ever hit 10k all 10,000 of u can come over to my house for a pizza & armageddon (1998) watch party
@@court-court 11.5k now ....
As much of a Clusterfuck as this game's story and gameplay feels like at points, the characters and moments within are what really helps it shine. that's why when it comes to story and characters, this one is pretty up there for me.
The persona 2 Duology isn't as... "Down to earth" as say, some of the later games with what they go through. But when they hit hard, they hit hard just as well, and arguably better in some areas.
Edit: Can I just say you made a Bitchin Vid. New fav of mine. Very accurate and very funny.
Their ridiculously half-assed censorship of Hitler will never _not_ be entertaining to me.
Yooo i just found your videos today and DAMN, this is a really good recap and the humor is great. Don't stop pumping out the content and I can't wait to see the eternal punishment recap whenever that happens!
Working on Eternal Punishment now! It may take me a bit, but rest assured she's in the oven
Honestly all your persona reviews have been great. ALot of the videos about them are overviews and leave out key details. Def learned alot with this one.
Your sense of humor is like my *exact* cup of tea holy moly. It’s been a really long time since I’ve had as many teehees watching a video like this
Girl keep these coming, these are so funny and your editing is top notch. Finally not some monotone analysis and your sense of humour is refreshing!
everything u said went in one ear and out the other this game is so insane 😭 love ur vids already tho ur so underrated!!
Dude, you’re awesome. Thank u for this vid!!
Eternal punishment was my second RPG ever and one of the best games I've played (along with Brave Fencer Mushishi, which is so underrated it's criminal...)
Was having a rough night. Never seen your content before. Genuinely made me laugh. This was great thank you
thank you for the kind words, genuinely hope things get better for you buddy
I love your content, you deserve so much more views 😭😭😭😭
When I saw your video in my recommended and clicked I was thinking I would see something like 100k subscribers. Heavily underrated
This game is so wild 😂😂😂 thank you for another amazing hysterical video!!!
This video got me to play the persona 2 duology and while my heart may be in shambles ive never regretted a thing less! Truly an underrated gem of a story
Ah yes, the infamous Mayan ruins in Japan. The ones right behind the hello kitty museum.
My guy you are so unbelievably funny, it makes the insane lore so much easier to take in.
33:38 the split second of rain on me killed me where I stood
Love your video. Love your humor ❤
Awesome vid! Found it super entertaining
Never cared for Persona but I love these types of recaps for games. The way you bring in references and articulate thoughts is great. I hope you do SMT cuz I hear that shit is off the walls too.
SMT will never get a proper "offical" release at least not 1, 2 and IF. Not when the recurring villian is God and the fact that Catholics are not exactly accepting of criticism.
@@mikevignola4213 but… smt 4a? you also kill god in that one, straight up YHVH, and that got released. and also smt if is just a highschool drama with demons in it.
@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis well alot has changed politically in the last 30 years. The bigger issue is that unless they get a full on remake treatment there might not be much interest since the game design of the older SMT games is extremely slow and dated in addition to being much more difficult than the more recent iterations.
Yesss! Thank you for this 🥳
The League references always catch me off guard lmao.
Also, thanks for covering such an underappreciated game with your great narration and sense of humor!
The Fuhrer….fascism….Lovecraftian Eldritch deities….Mayan doomsday prophecies…..Mount Olympus gods…the Zodiac. And people say Stephen King was under the influence when he wrote his stories. This recap is 11/10
Great content Courtney thank you for the videos!
I like your commentary! I'm so used to guys doing all the game content I watch so it's a nice audio/humor change from my usual.
Out with yet another banger, fantastic work!
I just found your channel and have binge watched all your vids. They're hilarious. I'm subbing.
You asked if the real life name drops were necessary for the Last Battalion, and the answer is yes. The game, like Deus Ex 1, deals with real life conspiracy theories, Y2K being the biggest one. Yes, Persona 2 is more Y2K than YIIK.
I fell onto your video out of nowhere despite not watching any smt content four months and after just listening for a minute, I was hooked for the full hour
Instant subscribe
You are the literal best 😂😂😂 10/10 would listen to you summarize any plot any time
I just found and started this video and this is already one of my favorite videos on the internet 😂
17:22 "open mouth kissing up there" fucking destroyed me
I'm sorry, when you started talking about the aliens I had to rewind the scene 3 times because I was laughing too hard lmao
This game is a fever dream indeed
Your growth is nuts, calling 10k subs by the end of this month GOOD WORK FELLOW MEGATEN GAMER SLAYYYY 🎉🎉🎉
"Now that we've assembled mount Olympus, it's time to end fascism"....this should be written on a shirt or something.
I actually LOVED this story, kinda want to play the game, thank you for such great videos
Let’s goooo! New Courtney video 🎉
thanks once again, love ur humor
Greatly enjoying these vids
keep the good work! love your videos
also my hot theory that Ginji and Adachi are somehow related stands they have the same working man who would shank you energy
Great video lol that was alot to digest
You're waaaaay too funny xD these videos are amazing!
Loved this. My first video and I'm already hooked.
This plot is …certainly a thing. Thank you. I enjoyed and will be sticking around
Awww jeeze, another channel doing long deep dives, GUESS IMMA SUB TO IT!
Good job on the vid, hope and look forward to more!
if i had a nickel for every time I meet Philemon id have 2 nickel's which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice... (hes only in 2 games)
I can't believe I'm 41 minutes into an obscure video game from japan from 1999 and suddenly Jun's kitchen and Haku are being mentioned. I love your work
Fans from P3 and forward wanting to save Door-kun, when we have an entire timeline with a worse than dead world. Well, two if you count FEMC as canon.
Amazing content!
i usually hate game storyline explanation that is longer than 30 mins, but this made me stay. great video!
(coming from a guy who used to sit 3 hours just to understand kingdom hearts story)
i don't know who you are but you're funny as hell and i subscribed. please keep being yourself
"So zombie shadow Hitler" said in the most normal tone of voice.
A Rachel & Jun reference was NOT on my bingo card
After watching your Persona 1 and 2 videos, I can for sure say that I don't think these games are my cup of tea, but your videos are awesome/ loved hearing you talk about both of them!
New top tier RUclipsr just dropped
I think I found my new favorite gaming channel
you are well and truly the funniest individual on the platform
The kuzunoha detective agency is probably the modern day successor to the raidou kuzunoha era from devil summoner
I watch this all the time, super funny 😂 but great recap as well!
God I wanna see a sequel of Persona 1 and 2 series that’d be so cool.
Ayo this'll be fun.
Well at least they never had to deal with a vampire mask.
I was surprised to see your sub count after seeing the quality of this video. I hope you'll blow up soon, your content is really funny and it's nice to see women make videos about games for a change.
This video is so great lol. Me and my gf watched it all the way through and it was so much more entertaining than the popular Megaten guys on here. You should definitely play Nocturne or Digital Devil Saga if you get time! I'd love to see you do the stories from those two.
thank you for the kind words!! glad you guys enjoyed it, can't believe y'all just upgraded my status to "family channel" 😤
Eikichi best boy
Good video!
Brilliant and funny. Thumb up and sub 🎉
I wish both Innocent Sin & Eternal Punishment were re-released on the PS3 when Atlus decided to re-release them.
You've done good with this
this was an awesome video
PERSONA 2 CONTENT LET'S FUCKING GO
"How did it go 0 to Hitler?" WOW WHAT A WAY TO INTRODUCE A VIDEO
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I love it
Still the most banger video ever
So, around 16:30 when the kids meet Maya and everyone is overwhelmed by nostalgia... does it mean that there's been more than one time loop?