S3 E44. The diesel powered Honda Insight is finished. electrical system done.
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Season 3 Episode 44. Jimbo finishes the electrical system on the Honda insight and now the car is road worthy. Jimbo also explains how to connect a Denso 40 amp alternator into any automotive electrical system.
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Jimbo out here killing it on the Tube, every Sunday.
So much fun.
I'm glad I went back to watching episodes regularly right when they're fresh out of the oven!
Most RUclips channels are making cars with 1000+ horsepower. This one is like let's put a cement mixer engine in a car and find a way to make it driveable. I think that's why I like it.
Let's be honest. Project cars are never really finished😅
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Yeah
Its the song that never ends
Let's be honest, our projects end when we sell it, scrap it, or die.
Robot Cantina finishes a project by tearing it apart to start a new one haha
Pro tip: when drilling/cutting fiberglass/carbonfiber, tape the area with painters tape to reduce tearing.
When you fire up your Honda insight and hear the diesel engine start, that’s awesome! I love this little car!
Can't wait for the hypermiler test on this one. It's going to generate some crazy numbers.
I really hope so. Especially since a small diesel is my backup plan in case the engine on my first-gen Insight ever dies. :D
Yes I'm looking for 80+ MPG
So glad that the hood is back on. It would be interesting if it can be done to turn the charge indicator gauge into a boost gauge on the dash, but it probably ran on the can bus. Have a good week and enjoy your trip to the tag office.
The ardrino can replicate can bus signals too. At least certain versions could.
It has somewhat lost steam since they went after the diesel modders for emissions compliance bullcrap but look into something called a cardrino. I think there was another version of the same project cslled s speeduino. They were completely replacing old broken engine computers that were unattainable along with adding functionality and fuel injection tunes and stuff to older obsolete cars by using an ardrino. There are even hats/shields created to connect the stock ecm wiring for some cars to the io pins and add on bosrds on the ardrino. Ardrino sells a can shield.
I started just looking into it just before when the EPA went after the diesel people. Sites started dropping out of existence all over the place but there are still some around.
One of the fun goals was to take stuff from newer cars and install it into older vehicles. Sometimes that required creating a can bus signal or altering one to suit the different technologies involved. One guy put an infotainment center from a 2019 expedition into a mid 2000s chevy pickup truck with a ram cumuns diesel. Fun stuff but he disappeared too. I wanted multi port furl injection on a chevy crate motor dropped into a 80s model chevet scooter. I ended up trashing the idea after a hilarious tractor incident ensued effectively totaling it out.
@@sumduma55 There's also ESP32 which can be programmed with the Arduino IDE and I believe can interact with the CAN bus.
@@cobra02411 I almost forgot about those. They were more of a curiosity for some in the communities I was looking at though. But that was several years ago. Thanks for the reminder.
@sumduma55 Chevettes,now there's something one rarely if ever sees any more !! Pintos,sure,Granadas yep,Vegas at the drag strips,Bobcats,Camaros,Stanks,Monzas,Opels yep yep yep yep n yep,them 4 door Vettes,nahh 😂
@@sumduma55 I like that they have built in Wifi and Bluetooth. The have pro's and con's vs arduino. I've replaced a few sensors around the house with ESP32 for simple packaging. Also, there's a lot of support for ESP Home.
People think the post apocalypse will be like mad max with loud aggressive hot rods but I think it will be more like robot cantina. Cheap fuel efficient.
You forgot the muffler.
A fresh cup of coffee and a nice Robot Cantina video starts the day off right!
Facts
As a cyborg wannebe, I'll be having a hot cup of Marvel Mystery Oil.
Seeing the panel outside the car and obviously unhooked while hearing everything work made my day. 🤣
Can't wait to see what kind of mpg numbers you get with this car. Should beat the Saturn but by how much is the question. Those Saturns are pretty slippery and even though they're not as light as the Insight, they're still pretty light, so we'll see.
I wish these gen 1 insights were cheap and plentiful...To make a commuter car that isn't super slow but still gets great mpgs & is cheap & simple to fix.
@@michaelbrinks8089 I'd really like Honda to just re-make the first-gen Insight, perhaps with slightly modernized tech. I've never bought a new car, but if they did that I might well buy that new.
@@IstasPumaNevada What I hate is, the automotive industry could easily build a hydrid that got 100 mpgs. Yet they refuse to do so for some reason. The gen 1 insight was slow but got 70mpgs using 23yr tech & non lithium batteries...The VW XL-1 diesel hybrid gets over 200mpgs on a full charge. It's super lightweight, carbon fiber & low powered but proves it can be done. If a gen 1 insight had a lithium battery that was recharged from a wall 🔌 plug-in. It could be made to easily get 70mpgs without being super slow. The 1st prius's were originally designed to get 100mpgs. But then for some strange reason purposely made them only get 50mpgs.
Great work again, this is a brilliant channel. Much appreciate your ingenuity
Time to live vicariously through Robot Cantina. Might not be the most important project, but it is the best project because of fun factor. Good job Jimbo, you are a treasure.
What does "most important project" mean?
@@Hawk7886Here we go. One in every crowd...
You could use the light in the "dash" for oilpressure/charging light.. or glowplug indicator light
I would use it as an idiot light for the alternator.
“Simple and cheap” - reminds me of the old military, saying, “keep it simple, stupid!” (K.I.S.S.)
thank you!
I like to see the simple and cheap approach. And look forward to the acceleration and MPG numbers
Maybe you can put some yellow kapton tape over the blue Engine Start button. This way you can have green for start engine and red for stop engine
Just change the second t to a p on the Engine Starp button and most the people your area will be able to calmprihand it. (don't throw things, I'm from alleynoy!)
Ill Annoy?
Man I love this little car so much. I can't wait for the video on the instrument cluster!
Should have an on/off switch for the alternator. Or a relay to turn it off at wot
you should investigaate motorcycle powertrains for a car. maybe a busa? or a 450?
So excited to see the performance and fuel economy numbers on this vehicle. I bet the fuel economy is going to rival the hybrid. The acceleration probably won't but at least it is gonna be faster than a garage truck.
The super or turbo should make it normal car quick.
@Eluderatnight on the Saturn it made it Volkswagen beetle quick so we will just have to see and I'm perfectly OK with that . Robot canteena is one of my favorite yt channels.
A cable ( ie a choke cable ) to pull on the level would work!
With Jimbos' level of quality,fit,and finish, I expected him to delete the ART from the red start button and replace them with OP, making it look factory legit.. It's his fault for making us expect him to excel and go 1 step above... 😁
Did you end up fitting a 'ROARTY SPORTY' Motorcycle end can on the exhaust then? 🤔😉🤣🤣🤣
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Not yet. We will run the car without a muffler and get some data, then we will install a muffler and see if that effects performance.
Would have been awesome to see you'd scraped just a few bits from the red button to make it say ENGINE STAP... For the memes, of course
You are such a good chap for ALWAYS including metric conversions. Some channels just don't give a damn about this.
I'm guessing that the Honda will be faster, once any problems have been sorted out. It's a simple matter of power vs aerodynamic drag, and for all of the Renault's Gallic charm, it's not in the Honda's league when it comes to aerodynamics. I'm not sure about acceleration, The Renault may have the edge in power to weight, and the CVT will definitely help, but the extra drag should slow down the acceleration as the car approaches its upper limit.
With some hype miles/ing should get over 100..? Look like you are building this for practical use. Nice
So you've basically turned a Honda Insight into a Lupo 3L, just without the added magnesium bits that made VW lose loads of money selling those? Can't wait to see how well or not well it compares haha.
OK, I'm done with hearing you drone on about windshield wiper switches, you quality has dropped so low now I can no longer waste my time watching your vids.
Keep in mind, this is a small youtube channel and not every video will be exciting. We have to publish a video every seven days and some videos will be better than others. I wish we could jump the shark in every video, but that would bankrupt this channel.
I think most marcupials have s pouch. They are born premature and are then externally connected to the mother. I don't think deer fit that description! LOL, you made me laugh out loud!
you should have did ALL the wiring with different gauges of red🤣
just think how triggered your commenters would have been😅
LOL, yes that would trigger some folks.
Mr president that button lauches all of our nuclear weapons! Oh. Well.... which button gets me a latte. The other button. Who designed this thing! (Monsters)
Check out crazy Jerry centurion green Grand Prix
200 mpg on a Kubota diesel engine.
Lets not forget that diesel prolly puts out quite a bit more torque per hp than the 670cc gasoline engine.
Not to mention more cylinders generally result in better low end torque due to more overlapping power cycles, the supercharger will likely increase that even further.
Was watching a video on permanent magnetic alternators , seems they short phases to reduce current. Probably just as well to lose the 20A
If I was me, I would put the glow plug button in place of the dead red light, keep all the ignition buttons together. Meh, buttons are buttons. Lol
You should have someone driving the renalt and u in the Honda and do a drag race
Do you have the airbags hooked up? Nice videos, keep it up!
air bags are long gone.
It would be nice to use a Honda kei motor, not as hardcore of those ones but strange (point of the channel) and OEM
Does Kansas have a simple process to be a car dealer? Might be less work to get a dealer plate and an umbrella policy.
You can wire the Alternator in a way taht it’s not stealing power while Accelerating and lots of current when braking.
Euro6 cars do this.
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Holy crap, I thought I saw a wii in there at 11:18. But it's just some white box.
They sure are lenient over there with regards to what needs to work, over here in Blighty, you need the windscreen washers to work as well as the wipers, plus a whole list of other stuff too that makes the british MOT test look like a properly overkill checkup... :P
My reaction seeing jimbo’s
notification 📣 “YES😎”
Which one is funkier----honda or renault, honda or renault......I can't make up my mind.
Indicator lamps with a connection to the brush pack allows a circuit test when it comes on pre crank
I would make custom plates FU PIGS should work 😂
YES!
I used one of those alternators on my MF165, it works fine.
You should dyno these things!
Get a large fuel tank and drive it all across/around Australia for real Marsupial fun!
Good ole Kansas no inspections. Safety inspection in Mo have been degraded and i can tell you its BAD IDEA. As an ex state inspector PEOPLE DONT FIX THEIR CARS the dangerous insane stuff i saw on ppls cars who do 80mph on hwy would blow your mind. 4 example chrysler sebring came in with sluggish steering from Ks. I put it on lift and TIE ROD END SEPERATED. Seriously she had just been doing over 70mph otw there. GET CARS SAFETY INSPECTED
Now imagine that same problem of not having inspections but in the rust belt
States without safety inspections have no more accidents than ones with. Google it. When the garages do the inspections, it becomes questionable.
Missouri in general has been degraded. Inspections are the least of their problems.
@@firstlast---it is The rust belt Mo and kansas LOTS of salt
Oh Boy! Now we are getting close to rolling coal on the open road! Yeee Hawww!
Love that you can use the factory gauges
best to not go marsupial hunting in a honda... even if its ...insight..
Opossums are marsupials and thanks for the grate videos.
OMG THAT EXHAUST SOUND WHEN YOU FLEW BY....!!!!!!!!
That sound was from the single cylinder 420cc supercharged fuel injected intercooled harbor freight engine. Not to shabby....
Good seeing it almost ready for the road 👍
I really should go work on my project today. 5.3 swapping a S10. Currently working on getting the driveshaft to fit.
you paid less for that alternator, delivered, than i could ship one to my neighbor for up here in the canada
some day maybe i will build something like this to drive around town.
This is a great project, thanks for sharing 👍..
Ya know, you could automate the glow plugs by getting a time-off time delay relay and tying it in with your main power switch. Could also use it to power a "wait to start" light.. Not really necessary, I'll grant you, but a nice creature comfort. And they don't cost all that much. IE an Accele BU-509TD relay. Same pinouts as a regular relay with a little screw to adjust the time-off delay.
Interesting, That timed relay would certainly make this little Honda more like a Cadillac. I'll give is a shot. Thanks
Hey, I volunteer to drive this car at a lemons race.
The sound effects on the disconnected panel cracked me up
Great job Jimbo! Keep them coming.
Take it to a Honda dealership for a service!!!
You missed the Chance to make an insight inside joke.
Power to weight greatly affects acceleration, but coefficient of drag times frontal area is a lot of what limits top speed. I don't have a prediction for 0-50, but my money is on the Honda for top speed. That Renault truffle hauler, much as I love it, does not look very slippery to me.
For the zero to 55 MPH, its going to be close, The flat faced Renault seems to have a tough time accelerating after 45MPH... its hard to say if its the aero or the engine that's holding it back. Now on the other hand, the little diesel is a slug without the turbo or supercharger but the engine will make some power with a fuel rack adjustment. It will be interesting for sure..
I have a 1998 Ford Crown Vic it has 56000 original miles on it and I'll sell it to you for $1,000 and it's in mint condition I just have too many of them
I appreciate the offer. We tend to use smaller cars for our wacky engine projects.
rackety yack. twice you described and operated EVERY button on the control panel. sorry jim but while i used to look forward to all your posts you are now milking this thing. bye, be well, and i enjoyed it while it was good...
A engine swap like this takes time to complete. The little details take even a lot more time. In order to stay in the RUclips algorithm I must provide a video every 7 days. Not every video will be a block buster. Keep in mind all the fabrication, engineering, filming, editing and narration is done by one person. I am working as hard as I can to produce these videos, but there is a limit. In this video I tried to make some of the little details interesting, because that is what I had to focus on in order to complete this car. Most of the audience understands the limits of a small youtube channel. Hopefully you do now.
I hope you daily the little Insight Jimbo.
There is a really good chance that Denso alternator will use less power than the 20a JD one. The 20a alternator would creep to 17+V at high speed and not only does that cook batteries it also uses engine power.
Jimbo, You should do a collaboration with another RUclips channel that has a wheel dyno. It would be fun to see what it makes after the supercharger. Perhaps turning up the fuel pump while your at it too 😊😊😊
It is still tuned for forced induction as mentioned in the last video
I see the evil garden gnomes sneaking in and drinking all eggnog
What about the gearing the engine is only good for what 3,300 RPMs how does the car do 60/70 mph ?
We adjusted the governor to limit the engine to 4000 RPM. When the engine was in the saturn we saw a top speed of 77 MPH. The more aerodynamic Honda should have no problem reaching 77 MPH flat out.
Please turbo it don't bother supercharging it turbo work better for diesels low end grunt. Superchargers are for peaky engines.
If you seen the earlier videos, we did turbocharge this engine when it was in the saturn. Since the engine is so small, it has a difficult time generating enough exhaust pressure to spin the turbo. We got boost from the turbo, but only when the engine was under a huge load. The supercharger should help performance all around It will be an interesting experiment.
There are placental mammals not marsupials.. 😂😂😂
We need a gnome christmas special! 🙌🏼
should make it a twin engine all wheel drive.
The alternator wouldn’t drain your battery if connected from B+ to the sense(top pin) because it requires a signal to the bottom wire to start the voltage regulator so it’s open until then
The way I explained this alternator is exactly how it works. connecting the IG lead directly to the battery lug on the alternator certainly works, however on some tractor forums people have discovered this will slowly drain the battery. The issue seems to be not all regulators are "perfect" . The bottom connection (bottom pin) is for the charge lamp and on this Denso 40 amp alternator the charge lamp is optional.
Real cliff-hanger Jimbo.
Testing the electrical panel before it was installed had me scratching my head. For a moment anyway. Bahahaha!
only marsupial you'll find are opossums
When the time is right and this beauty is finished up i sure hope you will consider to auctioning the car. Start at a price that is right for you and let us have at it.
Thank you for the hard work you do to make our sundays.
We did our best to keep the cost low on this project however parts alone exceed $10K.. I'm not sure this car is worth that much.
Jumbo keeps teasing another week
I don't know what it is but for some reason I have a pet peeve when people "Dezul" instead of Diesel. There is jot a Z in Deisel...
What about the super sucker 7000???
NO, deer are giant, mutant, horned rats.
9:51 Deer and other marsupials??? Have the garden Gnomes been telling you stories again?
LOL, the gnomes do spend a lot of time outdoors, I figured they would be experts. I guess I shoulden't listen to them
I always use a relay even if the switch can handle the expected load just because changing a relay is usually less annoying than changing a switch
Good point! We ended up using a relay on everything except the windshield wipers.
Great work, this is my favorite build yet! Did you consider possibly powering the electrical system externally to reduce the load on the engine? The load of the alternator is actually very significant, especially on something with so little power and seems easy enough to eliminate. Not sure how much you drive these cars, but since you don't drive them at night or in bad weather, as little power as that setup will use, you could probably get away with just using a decent battery and charging it when you get back. Or for a more automatic solution, a flexible solar panel on the roof with a charge controller would be a great charger and maintainer. Not using the alternator should gain you several MPG and a measurable performance improvement. You could also easily wire the alternator's ignition terminal to a switch inside the car to turn it off when going for maximum performance and efficiency. Just a thought, keep up the great work!
The Alternator can be Switched out by cutting the Field supply.
@@cerealtiller It sure can as I said in the last part of my comment. When the alternator isn't under a load, the only power it uses at a constant RPM will be from the friction of the belt, the brushes and bearings, and the cooling fan.
Adding a small solar panel to reduce the load is an interesting idea (although it breaks the "cheap" ethos), but I don't get why you'd ever want to manually shut off the charging circuit. The likely miniscule increase in economy isn't worth the risk of potentially forgetting to turn it back on, and it kind of goes against the "simple" idea.
@@averyalexander2303 the alternator could be Switched out when doing acceleration Tests....
every second counts with such a small Engine.
am aware that the Alternator Load reduces as Battery Voltage rises.
"Cheap and Simple"
Excited for the factory cluster
I would love to see the hybrid system working again, like a diesel hybrid.
The original hybrid system would require that we use the original 5 speed transmission. Since we are using a Saturn transmission, there is no way to get the hybrid stuff to work.
Coming from racing, I highly recommend putting a switch to the alternator for when doing performance runs👍
nothing like morning coffee with Jimbo. always a good day with a new Robot Cantina.