All these former religious people are gradually convincing others to wake up. Religion in America is going down, all thanks to these brave, beautiful people who are speaking out
I love it. I have no hatred towards people of faith, because I was once a believer myself. I tell people the truth, but only if they ask for it. I won’t go to a church, and start telling them the truth about the Bible. I won’t go to a Mosque and tell the Muslims, the truth about the Quran.
How could a loving God, who created us all, have a chosen people? From this, has led to racism, prejudices, genocide and misogyny!!! God for us all, is a lie!!!
A "loving god" who is going to burn over 90% (several billions of people) of his own creation in hell. Every day that goes by, this "loving god" allows more children to be born, so he can watch them burn in hell ... Religion is the biggest scam on earth.
Ignorance led to all those things. His chosen was chosen to be his ministers of the salvation message and not a job for just anyone. Abrahams descendants fulfilled many scriptures. like it or not. The only ones who got the prophecies right are one race who are the seed of Jacob. Why do so many people envy our nations, why do so many want to immigrate to our lands? Because We were blessed above all others and need no one else. Other countries are turd world countries in comparison!!! We have blessed all the world as it was written. Now the evil ones are making us look bad and bringing immigrants here to destroy us as prophesied. Yashua will have to save us in due time. The sons of Anraham are the most benevolent people on earth. We are the only real people who help others!!! And that is why we are his chosen race. We are better than all others not perfect but still better.
@@henrim9348 Not true. Hell was inserted by evil men in to the bible. Hell is not a Hebrew word. it is an Anglo Saxon and used to instill fear in people.
When I was little, my mother asked my father if "god" would tell him to kill my brothers and sister and me would he do it? Without a second thought he said YES! yes I would! Then we went on a family car ride and instead of wearing sunday clothes he put on mechanics overalls and it was really tense and I was scared and thought he was going to take us out somewhere and kill us off for jesus, I still remember this 50 years later, it was that scary.
@@theharshtruthoutthere you take 1900 year old writings and interpretations of those writings, both written by men and call it reality, good for you if that's your reality...I don't believe any of it anymore
@@theharshtruthoutthere that's enough out of you! Don't you dare tell me I love lies and am under strong delusions ! You don't know me so you don't get to judge me! Who do you think you are? GET LOST!
What an inspirational talk. I love Nancy for the fact that she's on fire talking about a psychopathic God. I love how she said that, what if from 9 to noon people spend time going out into their community doing good work instead of the repetition of going to church and doing the same thing over and over again. Great work Tim.
I used to continue to go to church on Sunday mornings as I believed it energised me and if I didn't go then I would spend time at home in a too relaxed stupor. Then I realised that that the energy was caused by anxiety and adrenaline and relaxing and rest is important for your health. Often I would catch up on the odd job at home such as turning out a cupboard or drawer to sort through what was in it or mending or altering an item of clothing. I gave up reading newspapers on Sundays as they did nothing for my self esteem and instead read books. And my Sundays are free for the odd one off event.
Most people though do the good works on Saturday and Sunday afternoons or in the evening on any day. Sunday mornings are for lie ins, watching TV, buying food or reading the newspaper.
What a wonderful woman. This may be why the biblical writer “won’t suffer one to teach or have authority over men”, because they absolutely annihilate illogical belief systems.
I’ve been an atheist for a long time and I always thought it was fine if people wanted to hold on to their religion. I know it gives people a sense of community and a feeling of meaning and purpose. But recently the hate in Christianity is really manifesting itself. The more I learn about the Bible, the more I understand exactly what kind of evil acts can be justified by following the Christian god. Worse, I see them acting out that evil today. What kind of holy book has an outline for when it’s OK to commit infanticide? Or Genocide? Or which endorses slavery? Is this their objective standard of morality? The best Christians are the ones that don’t read the Bible and who think and live like God is Love. The true believers, however, are a scary group of people.
You couldn't have said it better. I was an agnostic atheist for a long while but I'm becoming more and more anti-theist after realising how many traumas, mental health issues and maladaptive behaviours came from religious indoctrination. From chronic insomnia picturing demons to the excruciating anxiety and depression that followed the permanent feeling of being judged and unworthy all day. And realising this nonsense is being pushed to little vulnerable kids who will grow up either perpetuating this psychological abuse or suffering from it just angers me. I truly hope the Internet can help us spread the truth more and more so that people can learn to live with real empathy and compassion and not by a false "love" which is only an very disingenuous euphemism for fear, an egotistical conditioning and dogmatism.
So initially I was touched by someone praying for me and felt grateful at a time of hardship. I was feeling vulnerable and went along to an Alpha course to find some sort of companionship. I joined my local church and decided to read the Bible. Initially I was attracted by an all loving God in the form of Jesus. However having read about a 3rd of the Bible up to Elijah I began to struggle to marry up the Jesus I'd always heard about and the God which features in the old testament. Having joined my local church in 2020 I am no longer attending and have said goodbye to any faith I did have ,like most Christians I admire/cherry pick only the virtues I agree with.
@@eprd313 It's not theism, it's that most modern religions just have really messed up beliefs. People could easily make a new religion that was founded on good moral principles and it would work a lot better.
The secular world endorses genocide. The us killed 500000 babies in iraq i think recently. Theres mkultra, sra, worse. You cut up baby genitals. Something im ending in the holy books. The US got all its land from genocide. You throw yiung black men in prison with nary a thought. If you are poor you have few rights. But please tell me how immoral i am for commanding you not to oppress the poor.
I'm 65 yo...I jettisoned these beliefs in my early 20s when at the University earning my degrees (undergrad/grad)...like George Carlin, "I gave up faith when I reached the age of reason"....many have told me "I'll pray for you"...and my response I stole from the late, great Christopher Hitchens, "and I'll THINK for you."
Your guest is blowing my mind. Listening is painful but necessary😢. This is agony but I can't not hear this. I started this week questioning Christianity because it seems like a cult. Same rules. Same tactics. I just happened on this channel. I was wondering if others thought the same as myself.
Yes, my friend, you are not alone. The saddest part is they meddle with our cognition when we are young and vulnerable and the damage done to our unconscious minds becomes really difficult to overcome. It's blatant brainwashing, to the point that we almost become totally unable to think critically about the subject because that would trigger a very painful subconscious emotional response, leading us into constant cognitive dissonance
Yes, the church steals the mind. Why would the creator of the cosmos reveal himself only to a primitive culture? The Bible is chock-full of evil nonsense. So many (unverifiable) miracles then, but none now. Jesus allegedly spent forty days with his disciples after the crucifixion, but did he reveal a concrete explanation of the afterlife, the nature of heaven, angels, or human purpose? Of course not. Why are humans confined to hell but not Satan? Jesus was probably a guy who preached the coming kingdom of God and was executed by the Romans. After he died, some of his followers had visions of his return and he was proclaimed the messiah. The rest is a growing legend. I applaud you for questioning the bullshit that has left humans believing they were born broken. If God and Jesus are real, why do they/he hide?
I hope you are doing well. I was lucky to be raised in a predominantly atheist country, and I think it must be so hard for people to have been raised in religion.
This interview is the nail in the coffin of my deceased faith. Thank you so much for this animated truth. I needed this to solidify things I have been feeling for a long while.
Yea god is fake look at the world if he was real y would he put us down here with Lucifer it’s like taking your kid to a sex offenders house and then sending them to hell if they get manipulated he’s sick
Well, hopefully all is well with you! Some folks leaving have various issues that tend to linger. I had issues too, but they were short lived, and I discovered freedom and a world that has many wonderful things to offer. Wishing you the best!
Natural Selection is just as cruel as millions daily die a suffering death and get old till a suffering rotting death ? the only difference is indoctrinated or not they suffer from it. Becoming an atheist and having NIGHT MARES for the of burning in hell for the rest of a life is not a Cure. Christians worry more about Hell though and why the indoctrination it so Powerful. a year ago?
Best part about that is that most christians get it completely wrong. No one burns in hell in hell forever and you dont even burn there. The only ones that burns forever in the lake of fire are the false prophet and the beast.
@@paulgemme6056 There is no invisible magic man living in the sky. You have been groomed and duped. Your religious prison is vile and full of judgement, shame, humiliation, ignorance, gullibility, fear and terror. Clinging to these things does NOT make you a better person, it produces a sick, toxic, irrational, delusional, dishonest personality. But your indoctrinated subconscious terror of phantasms will not allow you to see the TRUTH OF VERIFIABLE REALITY. MANY seek the truth, but FEW have the COURAGE to follow where it leads them. Leonardo Da Vinci
At 10-15 being scared of being left behind and being sent to hell forever. I used to cry a lot, i had a mental breakdown at age 14, and terrorized beyond your worst nightmares.
No one except maybe a sadistic sociopath or psyxhopath would want to watch people be tormented forever. No Christian Fundamentalist would say they would send their children to be tormented forever because of petty bullshit. It just goes to show you how immoral the God of the bible is. I like when other people quote that one verse in the bible that his thoughts and ways are not like ours. No his ways are much more sick and sadistic then probably any human that has ever lived.
I had an apostolic acquaintance/friend- when we talked about heaven/hell, she was perfectly content with the idea of herself with God in heaven with people at a distance getting tortured forever. I asked specifically.
Most christians actually like the idea of hell. If you say to a christian: "There is no hell!" Some of them can actually get offended. They act a bit like the brother of the prodical son. "Are you telling me that my unbelieving neighbour who lived his life like the devil with booze and porn arnt gonna burn in hell?"
@@grimlund I sometimes think believing in a torturous hell is a venue for those that have a sublimated need to be cruel. Real witch hunts, crusades, etc. fueled by intense cruelty from religion. Sometimes I do think it acts as control from doing worse in our lives right now- for some who grew up believing in hell, the moment the idea of no hell is presented, feel free to behave anyway they want. I am concerned about especially the religious right with their guns and high emotional control and ideology that it will lead to adverse action. They are promoting hate and prejudices. It a glimpse of that with gay conversion.
I've heard Christians say "well, they CHOSE to go to hell by rejecting god." There's always a copout answer that makes their version of god come out on top as perfect and completely unaccountable for anything negative associated with that belief system.
@@TheGin31029 More I research or hear scholars on the bible, more unbelieveable. If there is a good God, would not go through rituals. I grew up Baptist and always felt unconfortable about getting saved and baptism.
@@TheGin31029 They live in this kind of "Stockholm Syndrome" relation to their God. A God that is threating with eternal torture fore anyone that doesnt do his will would be consider to be a maniac, evil dictator in the normal world but the christians defend this diety at all cost. He is good and righteousness. I think the mane problem is fear. They fear their God because he can reject them anytime he wants so therefore they dont dare to question him. Its really insane.
This video really opened my eyes and gave me the final nail to leave this stupid religion behind onnce and for all. What's in this book makes me want to throw up . Gosh it's just so sick and full of injustice . It makes my stomach turn that I got sucked into this .
@@belkyhernandez8281 many of those billions are too fearful to question their faith. Be grateful that you have had your eyes opened. Continue to think critically and look after the people around you. Peace.
I listened to this discussion multiple times and learned something new every time. Nancy's experience with Christianity is truly amazing. I love her passion and sarcasm.
Nancy, thank you for sharing your story. I found it very interesting. And thank you, Tim, for interviewing her. My own deconversion happened in literally one split second, though there were 22 years leading up to it.
The concept of eternal hell is the main reason I left as well. Interesting though is that eternal hell does not exist in Jusaism. Though yhwh is guilty of many egregious offenses, eternal torture is not one of them. That doctrine only came about with Jesus and the New Testament. Yhwh actually allowed humans to truly die when they passed away vice sustaining them alive for sadistic eternal torture.
And the most curious thing for me was realising that only in one book of the new testament (Revelation) a hell where souls endured eternal torture was presented. In the rest of the books, hell can be interpreted more like a place that exists eternally but where souls are destroyed into oblivion, in a painful but definitive way. But obviously the latter isn't as good for brainwashing and blackmailing as the former. I'm all up for ceasing to be for good.
This was the most perfect video for my severe religious trauma syndrome I've had for a decade... I'm writing all the great points dow. I'm in awe of thank you so much.
The idea of the Bible god, Yahweh, having emotions does not fit the description of an all-powerful, perfect deity. Such a being, in itself, complete and perfect in every regard, would need nothing and lack nothing. Perfection denotes completion, which is, in fact what the word for “perfect” means in both Hebrew and Greek. Therefore, if Yahweh really _were_ a perfect being, he would require nothing, let alone, create an entire species just for the purpose of glorifying him. He wouldn’t need anything; not praise, not worship, not prayers, not praise-nothing! Those are things that an imperfect being might have, or need to give attention to.
I remember watching a sermon on TV during COVID and the Minister was going on about the importance of sitting with the family around the dinner table and eat meals around the table. They are very insensitive, I felt that I did not belong because I was living in a small flat with no space for much and I do not own a dining room table or could afford one. Never good enough for the church.
This is one of those interviews where I feel like I will be listening to it more than once. So much good info to absorb!! Her point about God loving the smell of burning human flesh as a sacrifice is really incredibly poignant and truly psychopathic behavior. Horrifying that people worship that God.
What a compelling interview from such a cute lady. This is the one that finally made me hit subscribe. When I was about 17, I was completely jarred by Paul's teachings of women (I hadn't read all the old testament yet, but I knew the misogyny was still in there). It didn't ruin my faith, but made me depressed and ashamed for and long time, and I couldn't respect the women around me who seemed ok with this. That was the first "crack," but the second came recently when I realized it is just incredibly unreasonable and intellectually irresponsible of me to have ever assumed the authority and inerrancy of the Bible in the first place. So glad for these stories because they really help de-stigmatize atheists for some of us (me :D).
In reference to her description of how a person would be arrested as a psychopath for threatening his wife and ordering her to take their son into the garage and slit his throat, the Christian will say, "Ah, but God's ways are not Man's ways." Nancy is awesome.
Nancy you're amazing and you look so happy and free I've still been in hell for a decade after leaving. You broke me free from my brick wall. Tim your videos are amazing you've helped me immensely. Thank you
We are commanded to love a god, who according to the text said: Jacob I love but Esau I hated," from age five to ninety-five. Millions have lived and died never knowing the truth.
Wow! This woman is amazing. The glazed-over eyes always made me just give up on talking sense into people. She just inspired the hell outta me with the "find their crack" advice. I thought making sense should be enough but shes right. Its just like sales.
That born again emotional experience sure is a strange phenomenon that hooks people into the cult. They are totally convinced it is an experience with god. All their faith is based on that experience. So hard to get them to question their faith because of it. Oh,...the scarlet letter...D...... Not much worse than being divorced as a Christian. Crazy.
I really enjoyed this interview. I like it when I see people reading the Bible and questioning the character of the god of the Bible and leaving Christianity.
Man! You're confirming my suspicions about the Gnostics being right about the Old Testament God😅 I tried going back to Christianity again, but I couldn't deny the fact that the Gnostic ideas and views, along with Sufi and many others; were too deeply rooted in my heart😁💗 After leaving Christianity some years ago, I went from losing faith in God answering my prayers, to realizing God was still with me, even not being in Christianity. When I started going back to Christianity, suddenly I started seeing prayers answered, much to my surprise. But then I told myself I was going to figure out who that God was that was actually with me throughout my life. I know there was a God, but I wasn't sure if it was the Christian God or not. This also brings tears to my eyes, because every word you say about hell, reaches my soul. That is one of the very biggest issues that drew me away from Christianity. I remembered one of the first times I cried for hours after watching a movie of people in North Korea, and thinking of the fact God would send those people to hell. Even people who would sacrifice themselves for each other. That made me so extremely upset.
@belkyhernandez8281 thank you for your encouragement, that's very sweet of you to say!🤗🥰 It is empowering, I agree. Taking my power back was a large part of leaving Christianity. But the fact is I think all of our hearts could guide us like that, it's just we don't always know it's safe to follow it, or that we even should; at first. Esp if we're taught not to😟
This touched on all the things I have been questioning too lately. I seem to have been blind to them before but one day it just hit me. I was so terrified of hell and I feared getting a mental disorder and committing suicide which would sent me straight to hell. Do you know what I did? I wrote God a letter saying if that ever happened to forgive me now and allow me into heaven. I just recently realized how messed up that was but that is what religion does to people, especially those with already existing conditions such as OCD, it’s an absolute nightmare. I still struggle with a fear of hell but it’s a lot better than before where I would lie awake in terror every night and send myself into panic attacks. Everything you guys said is legit and anyone with a functioning brain and a sense of morality should be asking the same questions. I just came from a channel that claimed God blessed her with a new car, apartment and higher paying job in a span of 30 days. She gave her testimony while wearing a “God is dope” t shirt. The comment section was filled with like minded Christians claiming because they got a few material things they were “blessed”and the rest were people asking others to pray for them so they too can get new cars, jobs, etc. Like gee, what about the fact that there’s millions of children dying of starvation, poverty, disease and people literally being blown up by war, etc are they not high enough on Gods priority list? Not praying hard enough? What a joke! And then you have the people that try to gloss over it and use cop out reasoning. “God can bless who he pleases” “God has a plan”. Like they really don’t see how actually f*****ed up that is or they just don’t care. This world is a sick game.
One thing that strikes me in watching all these de-conversion stories is no one mentions how the New Testament literally says the opposite of what the Old Testament says. It literally is a direct contradiction. That’s what woke me up. In one year I went from typical evangelical Christian to Torah observant to agnostic. I actually read the Bible and immediately started seeing very disturbing things and eventually I couldn’t justify it anymore, that and couldn’t make sense of how to New Testament literally contradicted the Old Testament. Love your channel, Tim! ❤️
It’s the same as the original Hebrews being polytheistic and over hundreds of year the develop into a monotheistic religion. Christianity is a further evolution.
@@wolfshedler5898 all of it. The Old Testament god says that he doesn’t want sacrifice, but repentance and he will forgive their sins and he says in Ezekiel that no one can die for another but if the wicked person repents he would forgive them. The OT says every knee will bow, every tongue confess to Yaweh, the NT says Jesus. The OT says god does not share his glory with anyone, Jesus says god has shared his glory with him. The OT says god ALONE created everything and the NT says Jesus helped, and so on. None of the scriptures in the NT that they say are about the messiah ( will be born in Bethlehem, being a Nazarene) are even about the messiah.
I thought I was the Queen Bee when it came to anti-Christian polemics. I have been eating humble pie this week listening to all of the excellent videos by others who have seen the light and left the sadist Christian Overlord of Hell. Brilliant editing by Tim and incredible deconversion stories by all! Here's to an end to the Christian-generated guilt, fear, shame, and control that has held us all captive for so long!
Wow. Such a great episode. Thank you. I literally laughed and cried at different times. The abortion ally being the only one to actually help her, while the "christians" denounced her made me cry. And the bit about focusing on the comma in the passage you've read a million times made me laugh. Both of these stories are so true to my own experience. I think it's still possible to be a good person and a Christian. But I think the only way to do that is to focus exclusively on Jesus as Love, and absolutely ignore everything else about the religion. But that's not really Christianity anymore. That's being motivated by Love. Which is the right way to be.
This is the part I don't understand when I was seven I figured out Jesus was fake and even though my parents were mean to me especially Grandma I never believed in Jesus again and I never understood how anybody could believe in a book
Nancy, has addressed what every Christian thinks but tries to supress this. But it is utterly true. More people need to wake up, heal and find themselves. To Nancy, thank you sweetie for being totally honest. Big hugs sent your way. Xx
I adore Nancy's positive energy and sober-minded clarity and sincerity. When Nancy was deconstructing Yahweh, I got major 'Dan Barker' vibes. The Abrahamic god truly is the most evil monster ever conceived.
Agreed! My feeling is the reason for all of this humanity through the ages, is that god wanted a family. The weird thing is that god in his judgement, thinks it’s ok to damn the vast VAST majority culling for a chosen few. The madness has continued for Millenia.
Nancy is totally right about bringing up greek mythology, philosophy to Christians as most don’t even know what it is or care to listen to it. I’ve tried bringing it up to Christians before to no avail but I do like her approach about bringing up Hell to them. Great interview as always.
You are right. They don’t want to hear anything, that contradicts their beliefs. I use to be just like them, I didn’t want to hear it. I say you keep bringing it up, if they ask you. Eventually somebody will stop and listen to you.
Bring it up slowly and progressively. I have been bringing up critical thinking videos to some hardcore christians I know...Fallacies...are very powerful.
@@renny3816 Its the fear that hinders the christians to criticaly think for them self. The fear of their all loving God that may throw them in hell fire if they backslide. When you think about it the main core of this religion is fear. Obey the Lord or its down to the torture chamber in the cellar. Talk about an abusive relationship.
I didn't realise that hell came from the Hades in Greek mythology. There was no equivalent in Celtic paganism and the horned god of the countryside was reimagined into the Devil when the British isles were Christianised. Roman paganism was also blood thirsty.
@@grimlund That's why anyone that has had an abusive relationship with a parent, relative, spouse, or other could not ever 'warm' up to this kind of Creator. No one in their right mind should have to be compelled to 'love' such a monstrosity.
Hahaha loved your title; ''The Christian God is a sadistic psychopath'' sure he is. And do not forget the god of Islam, Allah, he is the worst kind. Just read the Quran, Hadiths and Sunna to find out on your own. Love this channel for doing and excellent job and deserve more subs.
@august opus It is 100% on point. The god of the Christians and the god of the Muslims was first conceived by the Hebrews. Both the Christians and the Muslims use the "prophecies" of the Hebrews to formulate their eschatology. That is why that god is a "sadistic psychopath... of the worst kind." That god, which the Hebrews conceived, wants his chosen people to reign over the nations. That is the purpose of the three religions of Abraham; the battle of Gog and Magog and the final destruction of Edom. Listen to the pastors, imams and rabbis. If you don't know that you haven't started from the right place. It is the ultimate craziness and they have all fallen for it.
God sacrificed God to God to be able to jump through a loophole in a law that God wrote, allowing God to save us all from God's wrath. Why is that so hard to believe? 😂
I love Nancy's approach. I have to remind myself to be more understanding, the way I was when I was in ministry. Because the minute you get offensive with someone, they stop listening to anything you say.
It's amazing to me how pro-life types are so anti abortion, and yet have no problem with all the infanticide in the bible carried out in the name of their god.
To the criticism that God is cruel the believers reply : "God is love, but God is also just. Justice requires that the sinner be punished". Catholic priests used to tell adolescent boys that they would go to hell for masturbating. Is that just?
On the main roads of many Southern cities, once you drive past one church you will come to another before the previous one gets out of your rear view mirror.
Don’t forget Isaiah 45:7** (KJV) that impliedly claims god created absolutely everything, specifically including creating “evil.” ** I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
yep, so true. and Luther was a firm believer in Lake of fire, as mentioned in his writings. Or Hitler embracing the tenents to destroy the jews is where he got a lot of inspiration from.
Excellent interview. I’m just a recent sub of yours and I can truly say I’ve enjoyed all of your interviews. As an exjw, listening to the interviews I can see that all these religions are the same. Some more extreme than others but the bottom line is, people run to religion to practice their bigotry. It’s quite sad really.
When people ignore or 'gloss' over hell, is this not a sign of denial? A way to jettison responsibility by only focusing on the good and dismissing the possibility that the god that is being worshipped is really criminal? IDK.
Christianity is a severe mental illness. Such deception, misery, so hycrotical and violent….No matter my Grandmother was Agnostic, no wonder my Son is Atheist. Thanks Tim for showing the truth to questions Christians will never answer.
@@electrowayne2918 99.9% of them live lies, hate and mean spirited. They go to church on Sunday and Wednesday, beg for forgiveness, then go out and pick up their mean ways. I have seen it and seen it and seen it. Honestly, some of the most hateful and vile people I have known called themselves “God living Christians” Yeah, while back stabbing and gossiping and lying and hurting other people, then go back to their church to plead forgiveness again the next week. Ask a christian about Isaiah 43:11 about god being “alone” and “there is no savior but me” and how bout this, “Nobody comes to the father but through me” So let me guess, everybody before christ burned in hell? Yeah, that is in the New Testament where they really threw the sink in.
Well, for one, why heaven wasn't always perfect. And two, why Satan is owed anything. Also, who the ransom's paid to. And what 'pre-drawn and predestinate' mean. Or you'll get, answers... but conflicting, ones.@@electrowayne2918
I never thought Christianity was evil but my experience was in a very liberal Anglican Church in England. My issue was failing to see God transforming us to a real comuntiy of love and social justice.
This story at - 1:14:15 stopped me in my pursuit to accept God as a "caring and loving father". Indeed, how can you be happy in Heaven, if your loved ones wind up in Hell? How can you experience bliss or whatever you`re supposed to experience "up there", knowing that the people you love most are going to be tortured for eternity? Nobody has ever been able to give a solid answer to this question.
The stuff about the prisoners is pretty much what I’ve been told by my buddy who was doing a prison ministry. And the thing about the mother is just horrifying.
This one was very good one, coming from JW background and being out of it for 30 years already, many things I found out contradictive were mentioned. And I concur to all of those points.
1very good😂1, Even às à little kid, I too wondered how they could càll him at God of love when he could torture people forever and could do so many horrible things in the bible.
Because this is politics and ever since rome you have been obeying torturers. If you didnt obey governments that torture it would be different. But you do and you refuse to obey say the UN when they tell you to end poverty. You are more immoral than you think.
Thank you, it was a wonderful interview. Most of my doubts and thoughts of how god can be loving with all those gruesome, ridiculous stories in OT was similar with what Nancy was saying. I also thought god actually created a game, so when Nancy also described it that way I was so glad to know there is someone who had the same mind. All her statements were interesting and educational, thank you again to both of you.
Agreed. However, the Christian god is in fact the Jewish god lest there be any that do not understand that. My comment will more than likely be deleted for stating that irrefutable fact.
@@eg4848 I am saying it that way because it's practically taboo today to mention anything Jewish in a negative light. The cry of antisemitism usually goes out. Did you know a Rabbi called Richard Dawkins antisemitic for his now famous "unpleasant character" statement about Yahweh in The God Delusion? EDIT: Just imagine the outcry if you replaced the word Christian with Jewish in the title (even though both would be exactly the same truth)
The God of Abraham promised his chosen people they could rule over all nations in Deuteronomy 15:6. "Most Zionists don't believe God exists but they do believe He promised them Palestine." - Ilan Pappé
The suffering of animals, hyenas eating a baby zebra alive while the mother zebra watches in horror. Mother Nature is so cruel it's eat or be Eaten. That's one reason why I don't believe in a God of love. Justin porter ex jw
Exactly my sentiment. Sometimes attack occurs even as an animal is in the process of giving birth. These mothers are so helpless, and the little babies even more so. But the anguish of having to watch their little baby being eaten alive, being so cruelly and violently torn apart by savage predators... This is so damn sick and unnecessary, it makes no sense. And there's no consolation for the mother, as well as the knowledge that every time she drops a baby this is the same scenario all over? Why wasn't the correct food provided for these predators, without the suffering of sentient animals.
This woman's a Tour De Force...But I'd like to say. The main problem with Christianity and Christians and indeed other religions is that they will compare Communism with no-belief and then say. Look at what a Secular country does...Look at Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot...Look what they (Actually) did to their detractors in real life...And I'm glad that she brought up what the US (Government) did to Communist countries and Japanese...
I am in the process of deconstruction and I need a group of people to talk to. Most of my town and my family are very religious. I need to find a support system to help me during the deconstruction process. I am not an atheist at this point but I am either a deist or an agnostic depending on the day. I hope to find a girlfriend who will be part of my new life of deconstruction. I am 57 years old. Better late than never huh? Just sending this out there. I live in Wichita KS in the heart of the Bible Belt.
Thank you for this, Tim and Nancy. I'd love to know why she calls herself an agnostic as opposed to an atheist. ❤ There is a belief called dystheism which essentially says that god is an evil god.
All these former religious people are gradually convincing others to wake up. Religion in America is going down, all thanks to these brave, beautiful people who are speaking out
I love it. I have no hatred towards people of faith, because I was once a believer myself. I tell people the truth, but only if they ask for it. I won’t go to a church, and start telling them the truth about the Bible. I won’t go to a Mosque and tell the Muslims, the truth about the Quran.
@@renny3816
I have a bitter taste in my mouth when it comes to Christians biggest assholes I ever met.
Too right
💯❤️
You might want to give some props to those of us who got it right from the start. For a long time, WE were the only ones speaking up.
How could a loving God, who created us all, have a chosen people? From this, has led to racism, prejudices, genocide and misogyny!!! God for us all, is a lie!!!
A "loving god" who is going to burn over 90% (several billions of people) of his own creation in hell. Every day that goes by, this "loving god" allows more children to be born, so he can watch them burn in hell ... Religion is the biggest scam on earth.
It's man made excuses for narcissism.
@@katarinatibai8396, excellently stated❤
Ignorance led to all those things. His chosen was chosen to be his ministers of the salvation message and not a job for just anyone. Abrahams descendants fulfilled many scriptures. like it or not. The only ones who got the prophecies right are one race who are the seed of Jacob. Why do so many people envy our nations, why do so many want to immigrate to our lands? Because We were blessed above all others and need no one else. Other countries are turd world countries in comparison!!! We have blessed all the world as it was written. Now the evil ones are making us look bad and bringing immigrants here to destroy us as prophesied. Yashua will have to save us in due time. The sons of Anraham are the most benevolent people on earth. We are the only real people who help others!!! And that is why we are his chosen race. We are better than all others not perfect but still better.
@@henrim9348 Not true. Hell was inserted by evil men in to the bible. Hell is not a Hebrew word. it is an Anglo Saxon and used to instill fear in people.
When I was little, my mother asked my father if "god" would tell him to kill my brothers and sister and me would he do it? Without a second thought he said YES! yes I would! Then we went on a family car ride and instead of wearing sunday clothes he put on mechanics overalls and it was really tense and I was scared and thought he was going to take us out somewhere and kill us off for jesus, I still remember this 50 years later, it was that scary.
@august opus yeah
@@theharshtruthoutthere you take 1900 year old writings and interpretations of those writings, both written by men and call it reality, good for you if that's your reality...I don't believe any of it anymore
@@theharshtruthoutthere good for you...
@@theharshtruthoutthere I'm not interested in your imaginary friend ok?
@@theharshtruthoutthere that's enough out of you! Don't you dare tell me I love lies and am under strong delusions ! You don't know me so you don't get to judge me! Who do you think you are? GET LOST!
What an inspirational talk. I love Nancy for the fact that she's on fire talking about a psychopathic God. I love how she said that, what if from 9 to noon people spend time going out into their community doing good work instead of the repetition of going to church and doing the same thing over and over again. Great work Tim.
Agreed, Nancy was great, and I loved seeing her passion and joy!
I used to continue to go to church on Sunday mornings as I believed it energised me and if I didn't go then I would spend time at home in a too relaxed stupor. Then I realised that that the energy was caused by anxiety and adrenaline and relaxing and rest is important for your health. Often I would catch up on the odd job at home such as turning out a cupboard or drawer to sort through what was in it or mending or altering an item of clothing. I gave up reading newspapers on Sundays as they did nothing for my self esteem and instead read books. And my Sundays are free for the odd one off event.
Most people though do the good works on Saturday and Sunday afternoons or in the evening on any day. Sunday mornings are for lie ins, watching TV, buying food or reading the newspaper.
@@HarmonicAtheist I'm shocked you haven't interviewed the youtuber called the apostate prophet
@@cyrilsneer5957 Apostate Prophet is ex-Muslim. Tim's focus is Christianity.
What a wonderful woman. This may be why the biblical writer “won’t suffer one to teach or have authority over men”, because they absolutely annihilate illogical belief systems.
I’ve been an atheist for a long time and I always thought it was fine if people wanted to hold on to their religion. I know it gives people a sense of community and a feeling of meaning and purpose. But recently the hate in Christianity is really manifesting itself. The more I learn about the Bible, the more I understand exactly what kind of evil acts can be justified by following the Christian god. Worse, I see them acting out that evil today. What kind of holy book has an outline for when it’s OK to commit infanticide? Or Genocide? Or which endorses slavery? Is this their objective standard of morality? The best Christians are the ones that don’t read the Bible and who think and live like God is Love. The true believers, however, are a scary group of people.
Ironic.
You couldn't have said it better. I was an agnostic atheist for a long while but I'm becoming more and more anti-theist after realising how many traumas, mental health issues and maladaptive behaviours came from religious indoctrination. From chronic insomnia picturing demons to the excruciating anxiety and depression that followed the permanent feeling of being judged and unworthy all day. And realising this nonsense is being pushed to little vulnerable kids who will grow up either perpetuating this psychological abuse or suffering from it just angers me. I truly hope the Internet can help us spread the truth more and more so that people can learn to live with real empathy and compassion and not by a false "love" which is only an very disingenuous euphemism for fear, an egotistical conditioning and dogmatism.
So initially I was touched by someone praying for me and felt grateful at a time of hardship. I was feeling vulnerable and went along to an Alpha course to find some sort of companionship. I joined my local church and decided to read the Bible. Initially I was attracted by an all loving God in the form of Jesus. However having read about a 3rd of the Bible up to Elijah I began to struggle to marry up the Jesus I'd always heard about and the God which features in the old testament. Having joined my local church in 2020 I am no longer attending and have said goodbye to any faith I did have ,like most Christians I admire/cherry pick only the virtues I agree with.
@@eprd313 It's not theism, it's that most modern religions just have really messed up beliefs. People could easily make a new religion that was founded on good moral principles and it would work a lot better.
The secular world endorses genocide. The us killed 500000 babies in iraq i think recently. Theres mkultra, sra, worse. You cut up baby genitals. Something im ending in the holy books. The US got all its land from genocide. You throw yiung black men in prison with nary a thought. If you are poor you have few rights. But please tell me how immoral i am for commanding you not to oppress the poor.
I'm 65 yo...I jettisoned these beliefs in my early 20s when at the University earning my degrees (undergrad/grad)...like George Carlin, "I gave up faith when I reached the age of reason"....many have told me "I'll pray for you"...and my response I stole from the late, great Christopher Hitchens, "and I'll THINK for you."
Your guest is blowing my mind. Listening is painful but necessary😢. This is agony but I can't not hear this. I started this week questioning Christianity because it seems like a cult. Same rules. Same tactics. I just happened on this channel. I was wondering if others thought the same as myself.
Yes, my friend, you are not alone. The saddest part is they meddle with our cognition when we are young and vulnerable and the damage done to our unconscious minds becomes really difficult to overcome. It's blatant brainwashing, to the point that we almost become totally unable to think critically about the subject because that would trigger a very painful subconscious emotional response, leading us into constant cognitive dissonance
Yes, the church steals the mind. Why would the creator of the cosmos reveal himself only to a primitive culture? The Bible is chock-full of evil nonsense. So many (unverifiable) miracles then, but none now. Jesus allegedly spent forty days with his disciples after the crucifixion, but did he reveal a concrete explanation of the afterlife, the nature of heaven, angels, or human purpose? Of course not. Why are humans confined to hell but not Satan?
Jesus was probably a guy who preached the coming kingdom of God and was executed by the Romans. After he died, some of his followers had visions of his return and he was proclaimed the messiah. The rest is a growing legend.
I applaud you for questioning the bullshit that has left humans believing they were born broken. If God and Jesus are real, why do they/he hide?
I hope you are doing well. I was lucky to be raised in a predominantly atheist country, and I think it must be so hard for people to have been raised in religion.
I’m 70 yrs old, never bought the Bible stories, Nancy, I think you are a terrific human
This interview is the nail in the coffin of my deceased faith. Thank you so much for this animated truth. I needed this to solidify things I have been feeling for a long while.
Yea god is fake look at the world if he was real y would he put us down here with Lucifer it’s like taking your kid to a sex offenders house and then sending them to hell if they get manipulated he’s sick
Well, hopefully all is well with you! Some folks leaving have various issues that tend to linger. I had issues too, but they were short lived, and I discovered freedom and a world that has many wonderful things to offer. Wishing you the best!
Check out the crucifix fish. "THE CRUCIFIX FISH TESTIFIES" Look it up. This fish was created on day five, long before the crucifixion occurred.
Natural Selection is just as cruel as millions daily die a suffering death and get old till a suffering rotting death ? the only difference is indoctrinated or not they suffer from it. Becoming an atheist and having NIGHT MARES for the of burning in hell for the rest of a life is not a Cure. Christians worry more about Hell though and why the indoctrination it so Powerful. a year ago?
The doctrine of hell was the beginning of the end of Christianity for me.
Best part about that is that most christians get it completely wrong. No one burns in hell in hell forever and you dont even burn there. The only ones that burns forever in the lake of fire are the false prophet and the beast.
I’ve just discovered all these atheistic channels and have been binge watching. This is awesome! I subscribed and hit the bell! Thank you!
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There is no invisible magic man living in the sky. You have been groomed and duped.
Your religious prison is vile and full of judgement, shame, humiliation, ignorance, gullibility, fear and terror.
Clinging to these things does NOT make you a better person, it produces a sick, toxic, irrational, delusional, dishonest personality.
But your indoctrinated subconscious terror of phantasms will not allow you to see the TRUTH OF VERIFIABLE REALITY.
MANY seek the truth, but FEW have the COURAGE to follow where it leads them.
Leonardo Da Vinci
Same here
Me too. I have annoying Christian Facebook friends who come across as so smug they make me want to burst their bubble.
I have been doing the same thing after starting to deconstruct a month ago !
At 10-15 being scared of being left behind and being sent to hell forever. I used to cry a lot, i had a mental breakdown at age 14, and terrorized beyond your worst nightmares.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I too was terrified of hell as a little girl. i am so grateful that I broke free when I was still young
No one except maybe a sadistic sociopath or psyxhopath would want to watch people be tormented forever. No Christian Fundamentalist would say they would send their children to be tormented forever because of petty bullshit. It just goes to show you how immoral the God of the bible is. I like when other people quote that one verse in the bible that his thoughts and ways are not like ours. No his ways are much more sick and sadistic then probably any human that has ever lived.
As former Southern Baptist I do believe in a Supreme being but not the sadistic one mentioned in the Bible.
Same
I had an apostolic acquaintance/friend- when we talked about heaven/hell, she was perfectly content with the idea of herself with God in heaven with people at a distance getting tortured forever. I asked specifically.
Most christians actually like the idea of hell.
If you say to a christian:
"There is no hell!"
Some of them can actually get offended. They act a bit like the brother of the prodical son.
"Are you telling me that my unbelieving neighbour who lived his life like the devil with booze and porn arnt gonna burn in hell?"
@@grimlund I sometimes think believing in a torturous hell is a venue for those that have a sublimated need to be cruel. Real witch hunts, crusades, etc. fueled by intense cruelty from religion. Sometimes I do think it acts as control from doing worse in our lives right now- for some who grew up believing in hell, the moment the idea of no hell is presented, feel free to behave anyway they want. I am concerned about especially the religious right with their guns and high emotional control and ideology that it will lead to adverse action. They are promoting hate and prejudices. It a glimpse of that with gay conversion.
I've heard Christians say "well, they CHOSE to go to hell by rejecting god." There's always a copout answer that makes their version of god come out on top as perfect and completely unaccountable for anything negative associated with that belief system.
@@TheGin31029 More I research or hear scholars on the bible, more unbelieveable. If there is a good God, would not go through rituals. I grew up Baptist and always felt unconfortable about getting saved and baptism.
@@TheGin31029 They live in this kind of "Stockholm Syndrome" relation to their God. A God that is threating with eternal torture fore anyone that doesnt do his will would be consider to be a maniac, evil dictator in the normal world but the christians defend this diety at all cost. He is good and righteousness.
I think the mane problem is fear. They fear their God because he can reject them anytime he wants so therefore they dont dare to question him.
Its really insane.
This video really opened my eyes and gave me the final nail to leave this stupid religion behind onnce and for all. What's in this book makes me want to throw up . Gosh it's just so sick and full of injustice . It makes my stomach turn that I got sucked into this .
Well, billions of others also fell for it so don't beat yourself up about it.
@@belkyhernandez8281 many of those billions are too fearful to question their faith. Be grateful that you have had your eyes opened. Continue to think critically and look after the people around you. Peace.
I listened to this discussion multiple times and learned something new every time. Nancy's experience with Christianity is truly amazing. I love her passion and sarcasm.
A war god delights in the smell of burning flesh!
Nancy, thank you for sharing your story. I found it very interesting. And thank you, Tim, for interviewing her. My own deconversion happened in literally one split second, though there were 22 years leading up to it.
Thanks!
I was done with the idea of God once I really thought about the story of Adam and Eve.
Same
The concept of eternal hell is the main reason I left as well. Interesting though is that eternal hell does not exist in Jusaism. Though yhwh is guilty of many egregious offenses, eternal torture is not one of them. That doctrine only came about with Jesus and the New Testament. Yhwh actually allowed humans to truly die when they passed away vice sustaining them alive for sadistic eternal torture.
And the most curious thing for me was realising that only in one book of the new testament (Revelation) a hell where souls endured eternal torture was presented. In the rest of the books, hell can be interpreted more like a place that exists eternally but where souls are destroyed into oblivion, in a painful but definitive way. But obviously the latter isn't as good for brainwashing and blackmailing as the former. I'm all up for ceasing to be for good.
This was the most perfect video for my severe religious trauma syndrome I've had for a decade... I'm writing all the great points dow. I'm in awe of thank you so much.
The idea of the Bible god, Yahweh, having emotions does not fit the description of an all-powerful, perfect deity. Such a being, in itself, complete and perfect in every regard, would need nothing and lack nothing.
Perfection denotes completion, which is, in fact what the word for “perfect” means in both Hebrew and Greek.
Therefore, if Yahweh really _were_ a perfect being, he would require nothing, let alone, create an entire species just for the purpose of glorifying him. He wouldn’t need anything; not praise, not worship, not prayers, not praise-nothing! Those are things that an imperfect being might have, or need to give attention to.
This is my favorite interview! What an awesome, passionate speaker!
Thank you for talking about how immoral God is. This is the ultimate reason I am not a believer anymore, in addition to all the other things.
This woman does not hold back and does not miss a beat. I love it! Thank you❤
I remember watching a sermon on TV during COVID and the Minister was going on about the importance of sitting with the family around the dinner table and eat meals around the table. They are very insensitive, I felt that I did not belong because I was living in a small flat with no space for much and I do not own a dining room table or could afford one. Never good enough for the church.
This is one of those interviews where I feel like I will be listening to it more than once. So much good info to absorb!! Her point about God loving the smell of burning human flesh as a sacrifice is really incredibly poignant and truly psychopathic behavior. Horrifying that people worship that God.
What a compelling interview from such a cute lady. This is the one that finally made me hit subscribe. When I was about 17, I was completely jarred by Paul's teachings of women (I hadn't read all the old testament yet, but I knew the misogyny was still in there). It didn't ruin my faith, but made me depressed and ashamed for and long time, and I couldn't respect the women around me who seemed ok with this. That was the first "crack," but the second came recently when I realized it is just incredibly unreasonable and intellectually irresponsible of me to have ever assumed the authority and inerrancy of the Bible in the first place. So glad for these stories because they really help de-stigmatize atheists for some of us (me :D).
think of all the suffering christians go thru thinking that their dead unsaved loved ones are burning in hell. How wicked!
Currently binge watching all of Tims videos. Tim thank you from all of us for the work you do xx
In reference to her description of how a person would be arrested as a psychopath for threatening his wife and ordering her to take their son into the garage and slit his throat, the Christian will say, "Ah, but God's ways are not Man's ways." Nancy is awesome.
Nancy you're amazing and you look so happy and free I've still been in hell for a decade after leaving. You broke me free from my brick wall. Tim your videos are amazing you've helped me immensely. Thank you
If you study Canaanite culture and mythology you’ll see a that the Christian/Jewish God has a LOT in common with the Canaanite god El.
We are commanded to love a god, who according to the text said: Jacob I love but Esau I hated," from age five to ninety-five. Millions have lived and died never knowing the truth.
So evil 😈
Its because they reincarnated.
I'm proud to be an X JW , and I agree with Nancy 100 %
Wow! This woman is amazing. The glazed-over eyes always made me just give up on talking sense into people.
She just inspired the hell outta me with the "find their crack" advice. I thought making sense should be enough but shes right. Its just like sales.
That born again emotional experience sure is a strange phenomenon that hooks people into the cult. They are totally convinced it is an experience with god. All their faith is based on that experience. So hard to get them to question their faith because of it.
Oh,...the scarlet letter...D...... Not much worse than being divorced as a Christian. Crazy.
I really enjoyed this interview. I like it when I see people reading the Bible and questioning the character of the god of the Bible and leaving Christianity.
The gist of this was obvious to me when I read the Old Testament for fun at the age of 6.
Fabulous conversation thank you!
Thank you, Nancy. Thank you, Tim. Thank you.
Back in those days “GOD” would have people put to death for things we today considered petty
Man! You're confirming my suspicions about the Gnostics being right about the Old Testament God😅 I tried going back to Christianity again, but I couldn't deny the fact that the Gnostic ideas and views, along with Sufi and many others; were too deeply rooted in my heart😁💗
After leaving Christianity some years ago, I went from losing faith in God answering my prayers, to realizing God was still with me, even not being in Christianity. When I started going back to Christianity, suddenly I started seeing prayers answered, much to my surprise.
But then I told myself I was going to figure out who that God was that was actually with me throughout my life. I know there was a God, but I wasn't sure if it was the Christian God or not.
This also brings tears to my eyes, because every word you say about hell, reaches my soul. That is one of the very biggest issues that drew me away from Christianity. I remembered one of the first times I cried for hours after watching a movie of people in North Korea, and thinking of the fact God would send those people to hell. Even people who would sacrifice themselves for each other. That made me so extremely upset.
I would like to say congratulations. The person helping you all this time was you. You saved yourself. In my book that is empowering.
@belkyhernandez8281 thank you for your encouragement, that's very sweet of you to say!🤗🥰 It is empowering, I agree. Taking my power back was a large part of leaving Christianity. But the fact is I think all of our hearts could guide us like that, it's just we don't always know it's safe to follow it, or that we even should; at first. Esp if we're taught not to😟
This touched on all the things I have been questioning too lately. I seem to have been blind to them before but one day it just hit me. I was so terrified of hell and I feared getting a mental disorder and committing suicide which would sent me straight to hell. Do you know what I did? I wrote God a letter saying if that ever happened to forgive me now and allow me into heaven. I just recently realized how messed up that was but that is what religion does to people, especially those with already existing conditions such as OCD, it’s an absolute nightmare.
I still struggle with a fear of hell but it’s a lot better than before where I would lie awake in terror every night and send myself into panic attacks. Everything you guys said is legit and anyone with a functioning brain and a sense of morality should be asking the same questions.
I just came from a channel that claimed God blessed her with a new car, apartment and higher paying job in a span of 30 days. She gave her testimony while wearing a “God is dope” t shirt. The comment section was filled with like minded Christians claiming because they got a few material things they were “blessed”and the rest were people asking others to pray for them so they too can get new cars, jobs, etc. Like gee, what about the fact that there’s millions of children dying of starvation, poverty, disease and people literally being blown up by war, etc are they not high enough on Gods priority list? Not praying hard enough? What a joke! And then you have the people that try to gloss over it and use cop out reasoning. “God can bless who he pleases” “God has a plan”. Like they really don’t see how actually f*****ed up that is or they just don’t care. This world is a sick game.
One thing that strikes me in watching all these de-conversion stories is no one mentions how the New Testament literally says the opposite of what the Old Testament says. It literally is a direct contradiction. That’s what woke me up. In one year I went from typical evangelical Christian to Torah observant to agnostic. I actually read the Bible and immediately started seeing very disturbing things and eventually I couldn’t justify it anymore, that and couldn’t make sense of how to New Testament literally contradicted the Old Testament. Love your channel, Tim! ❤️
It’s the same as the original Hebrews being polytheistic and over hundreds of year the develop into a monotheistic religion.
Christianity is a further evolution.
Hi, if you'd be interested in an interview, let me know! harmonicatheist@yahoo.com
oh the jesus sacrfice ??
@@callendarl exactly.
@@wolfshedler5898 all of it. The Old Testament god says that he doesn’t want sacrifice, but repentance and he will forgive their sins and he says in Ezekiel that no one can die for another but if the wicked person repents he would forgive them. The OT says every knee will bow, every tongue confess to Yaweh, the NT says Jesus. The OT says god does not share his glory with anyone, Jesus says god has shared his glory with him. The OT says god ALONE created everything and the NT says Jesus helped, and so on. None of the scriptures in the NT that they say are about the messiah ( will be born in Bethlehem, being a Nazarene) are even about the messiah.
I thought I was the Queen Bee when it came to anti-Christian polemics. I have been eating humble pie this week listening to all of the excellent videos by others who have seen the light and left the sadist Christian Overlord of Hell. Brilliant editing by Tim and incredible deconversion stories by all! Here's to an end to the Christian-generated guilt, fear, shame, and control that has held us all captive for so long!
Wow. Such a great episode. Thank you. I literally laughed and cried at different times. The abortion ally being the only one to actually help her, while the "christians" denounced her made me cry. And the bit about focusing on the comma in the passage you've read a million times made me laugh. Both of these stories are so true to my own experience. I think it's still possible to be a good person and a Christian. But I think the only way to do that is to focus exclusively on Jesus as Love, and absolutely ignore everything else about the religion. But that's not really Christianity anymore. That's being motivated by Love. Which is the right way to be.
This is the part I don't understand when I was seven I figured out Jesus was fake and even though my parents were mean to me especially Grandma I never believed in Jesus again and I never understood how anybody could believe in a book
Nancy, has addressed what every Christian thinks but tries to supress this. But it is utterly true. More people need to wake up, heal and find themselves. To Nancy, thank you sweetie for being totally honest. Big hugs sent your way. Xx
I adore Nancy's positive energy and sober-minded clarity and sincerity.
When Nancy was deconstructing Yahweh, I got major 'Dan Barker' vibes. The Abrahamic god truly is the most evil monster ever conceived.
So evil 😈
Tim, without a doubt, your most powerful and captivating interview. Huge thank you and Nancy.
I have heard some apologists justify thus by saying that this was not considered "genocide" but a "judgement" because God has the "right" to end life.
Agreed! My feeling is the reason for all of this humanity through the ages, is that god wanted a family. The weird thing is that god in his judgement, thinks it’s ok to damn the vast VAST majority culling for a chosen few. The madness has continued for Millenia.
The more I learn about the contents of the Bible, and how it is believed and practiced, the more it strikes me as a psyop.
Its corrupted
I’ve always wanted my own cloud, or a planet if I were Mormon. “Religion and god belief, poisons everything” - C Hitchens
Wow this is one of the best interviews yet, I really appreciate Nancy’s story
There IS NO ever burning hell fire.
Nancy is totally right about bringing up greek mythology, philosophy to Christians as most don’t even know what it is or care to listen to it. I’ve tried bringing it up to Christians before to no avail but I do like her approach about bringing up Hell to them. Great interview as always.
You are right. They don’t want to hear anything, that contradicts their beliefs. I use to be just like them, I didn’t want to hear it. I say you keep bringing it up, if they ask you. Eventually somebody will stop and listen to you.
Bring it up slowly and progressively. I have been bringing up critical thinking videos to some hardcore christians I know...Fallacies...are very powerful.
@@renny3816 Its the fear that hinders the christians to criticaly think for them self.
The fear of their all loving God that may throw them in hell fire if they backslide. When you think about it the main core of this religion is fear.
Obey the Lord or its down to the torture chamber in the cellar.
Talk about an abusive relationship.
I didn't realise that hell came from the Hades in Greek mythology. There was no equivalent in Celtic paganism and the horned god of the countryside was reimagined into the Devil when the British isles were Christianised. Roman paganism was also blood thirsty.
@@grimlund That's why anyone that has had an abusive relationship with a parent, relative, spouse, or other could not ever 'warm' up to this kind of Creator. No one in their right mind should have to be compelled to 'love' such a monstrosity.
Amazing interview!!!
Thank you for the testimony. Love her. Great program.
Hahaha loved your title; ''The Christian God is a sadistic psychopath'' sure he is. And do not forget the god of Islam, Allah, he is the worst kind. Just read the Quran, Hadiths and Sunna to find out on your own. Love this channel for doing and excellent job and deserve more subs.
The god of Abraham promised his chosen people that they could rule over all nations in Deuteronomy 15:6.
Any God is what humans, using his name, make him to be. Simply to organize a system to perpetuate their power.
It's the same Abrahamic God but with different prophets. The lineage of one of Abraham's sons led to Islam.
@august opus It is 100% on point. The god of the Christians and the god of the Muslims was first conceived by the Hebrews. Both the Christians and the Muslims use the "prophecies" of the Hebrews to formulate their eschatology. That is why that god is a "sadistic psychopath... of the worst kind." That god, which the Hebrews conceived, wants his chosen people to reign over the nations. That is the purpose of the three religions of Abraham; the battle of Gog and Magog and the final destruction of Edom. Listen to the pastors, imams and rabbis. If you don't know that you haven't started from the right place. It is the ultimate craziness and they have all fallen for it.
Yes, Yahweh is a great case study in narcissistic personality disorder bleeding over into full
blown psychopathy.
This is one of the better sermons I've heard. Preach it Nancy!
God sacrificed God to God to be able to jump through a loophole in a law that God wrote, allowing God to save us all from God's wrath. Why is that so hard to believe? 😂
this is great, my friend - and very clever, also...please allow me to steal this from you.
@@johnmcleod8961 Thanks! Steal away.
This is a wonderfully enlightening conversation. Thanks you Nancy and Tim.
I love Nancy's approach. I have to remind myself to be more understanding, the way I was when I was in ministry. Because the minute you get offensive with someone, they stop listening to anything you say.
It's amazing to me how pro-life types are so anti abortion, and yet have no problem with all the infanticide in the bible carried out in the name of their god.
To the criticism that God is cruel the believers reply : "God is love, but God is also just. Justice requires that the sinner be punished".
Catholic priests used to tell adolescent boys that they would go to hell for masturbating. Is that just?
All I can think is, "Where in the South is there not a church?" It's been that way since the church was invented in the U.S.
On the main roads of many Southern cities, once you drive past one church you will come to another before the previous one gets out of your rear view mirror.
Don’t forget Isaiah 45:7** (KJV) that impliedly claims god created absolutely everything, specifically including creating “evil.”
** I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
She was raised Lutheran, but you can bet she was never told about how anti-Semitic Martin Luther was!
yep, so true. and Luther was a firm believer in Lake of fire, as mentioned in his writings. Or Hitler embracing the tenents to destroy the jews is where he got a lot of inspiration from.
Excellent interview. I’m just a recent sub of yours and I can truly say I’ve enjoyed all of your interviews.
As an exjw, listening to the interviews I can see that all these religions are the same. Some more extreme than others but the bottom line is, people run to religion to practice their bigotry.
It’s quite sad really.
Thanks for sharing. So glad you escaped!
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This is a great interview, thanks Tim and Nancy. It was awesome how Nancy started bringing down the hammer at the 34 minute mark. Nicely done girl 👊🏻
When people ignore or 'gloss' over hell, is this not a sign of denial? A way to jettison responsibility by only focusing on the good and dismissing the possibility that the god that is being worshipped is really criminal? IDK.
Christianity is a severe mental illness. Such deception, misery, so hycrotical and violent….No matter my Grandmother was Agnostic, no wonder my Son is Atheist. Thanks Tim for showing the truth to questions Christians will never answer.
What’s questions are Those ?? I hadn’t heard one question some of these people ask that haven’t been addressed.. imo
@@electrowayne2918 99.9% of them live lies, hate and mean spirited. They go to church on Sunday and Wednesday, beg for forgiveness, then go out and pick up their mean ways. I have seen it and seen it and seen it. Honestly, some of the most hateful and vile people I have known called themselves “God living Christians” Yeah, while back stabbing and gossiping and lying and hurting other people, then go back to their church to plead forgiveness again the next week. Ask a christian about Isaiah 43:11 about god being “alone” and “there is no savior but me” and how bout this, “Nobody comes to the father but through me” So let me guess, everybody before christ burned in hell? Yeah, that is in the New Testament where they really threw the sink in.
Well, for one, why heaven wasn't always perfect.
And two, why Satan is owed anything.
Also, who the ransom's paid to.
And what 'pre-drawn and predestinate' mean.
Or you'll get, answers... but conflicting, ones.@@electrowayne2918
I never thought Christianity was evil but my experience was in a very liberal Anglican Church in England. My issue was failing to see God transforming us to a real comuntiy of love and social justice.
Yeah my pastor loved that stupid 'your righteous ness is just filthy rags'. What an awful verse.
Just found this channel, the interviewer is fantastic and so is Nancy O'Brien Simpson. Love watching intellectuals cut through the BS.
This story at - 1:14:15 stopped me in my pursuit to accept God as a "caring and loving father". Indeed, how can you be happy in Heaven, if your loved ones wind up in Hell? How can you experience bliss or whatever you`re supposed to experience "up there", knowing that the people you love most are going to be tortured for eternity? Nobody has ever been able to give a solid answer to this question.
The stuff about the prisoners is pretty much what I’ve been told by my buddy who was doing a prison ministry. And the thing about the mother is just horrifying.
This one was very good one, coming from JW background and being out of it for 30 years already, many things I found out contradictive were mentioned. And I concur to all of those points.
Going to church is like going to a Union meeting where you are expected to obey the Union Leader ( Pastor )
I love Nancy, I agree with you on so many things. Thank you
1very good😂1, Even às à little kid, I too wondered how they could càll him at God of love when he could torture people forever and could do so many horrible things in the bible.
Because this is politics and ever since rome you have been obeying torturers. If you didnt obey governments that torture it would be different. But you do and you refuse to obey say the UN when they tell you to end poverty. You are more immoral than you think.
Thank you, it was a wonderful interview. Most of my doubts and thoughts of how god can be loving with all those gruesome, ridiculous stories in OT was similar with what Nancy was saying. I also thought god actually created a game, so when Nancy also described it that way I was so glad to know there is someone who had the same mind. All her statements were interesting and educational, thank you again to both of you.
What a cheerful lovely woman, ball of energy
I need to check my preconceived ideas about a pod initially. GREAT GUEST straight up !
Only a third way through, but what powerful story.
I was like you. This was so powerful that I had to break it into three or four parts.
Nancy was a great guest. she keep me on the edge of my seat. she is an awesome story teller. and the video is not over 2 hours good job Tim
Great video I know how she feels I was in the same boat and now im like her and me and her sound alike...I like her!
Agreed. However, the Christian god is in fact the Jewish god lest there be any that do not understand that. My comment will more than likely be deleted for stating that irrefutable fact.
...nobody denies this except Marcionites and its really not a profound thing to say so you don't have to be so melodramatic
Take ALL of the "gods", put them in a bag, shake it up and pull one out. The first one will be the same as the last one, imaginary!
@@eg4848 I am saying it that way because it's practically taboo today to mention anything Jewish in a negative light. The cry of antisemitism usually goes out. Did you know a Rabbi called Richard Dawkins antisemitic for his now famous "unpleasant character" statement about Yahweh in The God Delusion?
EDIT: Just imagine the outcry if you replaced the word Christian with Jewish in the title (even though both would be exactly the same truth)
That's an excellent point.
The God of Abraham promised his chosen people they could rule over all nations in Deuteronomy 15:6.
"Most Zionists don't believe God exists but they do believe He promised them Palestine." - Ilan Pappé
The suffering of animals, hyenas eating a baby zebra alive while the mother zebra watches in horror. Mother Nature is so cruel it's eat or be Eaten. That's one reason why I don't believe in a God of love. Justin porter ex jw
Exactly my sentiment. Sometimes attack occurs even as an animal is in the process of giving birth. These mothers are so helpless, and the little babies even more so. But the anguish of having to watch their little baby being eaten alive, being so cruelly and violently torn apart by savage predators... This is so damn sick and unnecessary, it makes no sense. And there's no consolation for the mother, as well as the knowledge that every time she drops a baby this is the same scenario all over?
Why wasn't the correct food provided for these predators, without the suffering of sentient animals.
What a great guest. We need more Nancies in this world.
WOW, I LOVE Nancy! Thank you sooooo much!
This woman's a Tour De Force...But I'd like to say. The main problem with Christianity and Christians and indeed other religions is that they will compare Communism with no-belief and then say. Look at what a Secular country does...Look at Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot...Look what they (Actually) did to their detractors in real life...And I'm glad that she brought up what the US (Government) did to Communist countries and Japanese...
I am in the process of deconstruction and I need a group of people to talk to. Most of my town and my family are very religious. I need to find a support system to help me during the deconstruction process. I am not an atheist at this point but I am either a deist or an agnostic depending on the day. I hope to find a girlfriend who will be part of my new life of deconstruction. I am 57 years old. Better late than never huh? Just sending this out there. I live in Wichita KS in the heart of the Bible Belt.
Found any groups?
I love this I agree God is a psychopath
Thank you for this, Tim and Nancy. I'd love to know why she calls herself an agnostic as opposed to an atheist. ❤ There is a belief called dystheism which essentially says that god is an evil god.
Great conversation. Thanks!