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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Bougainville could be the world's next country. The small Pacific island of about 300,000 residents is fighting for its independence from Papua New Guinea, which is hopelessly in the pockets of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Bougainville wants nothing to do with it after successfully blocking Chinese influence in its own territory. In this episode of China Unscripted, we talk about Bougainville's plan for independence, why China covets Bougainville so much, and Bougainville's secret sauce to blocking Chinese influence. Joining us in this episode is John Kuhns, the chairman and CEO of Numa Numa Resources in Bougainville. John is also the author of the book They Call Me Ishmael, a novel based on the real story of a rebel leader with big dreams for his island.
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I can't WAIT till the CCP gets what they got coming!
Bougainville is not pronounced like bogan-ville. It's Boo·guhn·vl. The guy couldn't pronounce archipelago either. I will give him credit for getting Papua New Guinea correct. I only got the bogan reference because of my Australian friends. Great video guys! 👍
@@Jonathan.D like ブーゲン?
Amazon link, really? lol
Chris doesn't feel well now because he is being hexed by the CCP
We islanders should unify and stand alone. We don't need America or the CCP.
Good one! Why America always think they are better then others?
Exactly. We pacific islanders don't need Americans.
Once you invite the Chinese ccp they will never leave they will take over countries, if you invite the Americans and ask them to leave they will respect your country and leave
We Pacific Is might need to band together even to form a thing call Pacific Union - from Indonesia, PNG, Phillipines, Micronesia, Hawaii, Tahiti, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, V-atu, NCaledonia, Solomon and TI. Enshrine the ocean togather as a sovereign entity that has its boarder to be gazetted. We might be specs of little islands but one of our big resource is the ocean that can source of Clean energy Solar, Wind, Wave enough to power tge world and also great source Seafood protein and abundance of minerals on ocean floor. We need to bind together asap to work out strategies into the future for our kids.
That's correct ! The only strength that a fiber can have strength is when it's grouped together into a ROPE ! Then, it can pull a massive ocean liner.
Good on you Ishmael. Protect your land, your resources and your people from foreign control. God bless and protect Bougainville🙏
This is a terrific video on Bougainville and John Kuhns is extremely knowledgeable on the area as well as China.
_(One of your best interviews to date... excellent and thanks for all the info!)_
Agreed - Kuhns knows what he is talking about, and has analysed the Bv situation exceedigly well. top class interview from which. I believe. the interviewers learned a lot
the amercaians built the nmine site not the australians
He could be a secret agent on a mission
bougainvillea need competent, honest people to managed their country.im not a citizen of u.s.bougainville is a young island country.u can't stand without the help of competent adv
boungainville can't stand alone at the moment.
Our government is corrupt but the people of Papua New Guinea is not poor. We own our own customery land work as subsistence farmers. We villigers a surviving. We dont want Australia and Americans to come in our land PNG.
As opposed to China been there?? Better the enemy you know than the one that wants your ports as well.
Oh, prefer to be a slave of the Chinese? They do want that. Modern economic slavery.
These island leaders should learn from the Philippines on how it got rid of POGO. The playbook is very similar to POGO. The problem was formed and grew under the previous administration of Rodrigo Duterte as president.
bougainville,better b careful of china's approach on your island.better let u.s.help improved your island until u can stand on your own,,than China do it for u.
@CosmasGire and China is no better...even more slippery than anyone else...do not care of your encomic situation, only the resources.
I am Bougainvillean and find it interesting to watch. The mine its gold and copper has huge potential but sadly blood has been spilled. Johns presence in Arawa represents the American interest for sure otherwise why not live in Numa Numa Plantation? The Australians, The British and America funny enough also want the gold and copper for themselves. Why divert attention and only mention China? At least China is trying to do things. Not offering IMF or World Bank loans in exchange for Bougainvilles copper and gold all the way to eternia. The west continues to be misguided to think we are there to make you guys wealthy but not us. Why is it that there is no voice from the Bougainvilleans?
You’re correct. The white man has had his fill and he only filled himself and gave nothing back. China will develop your nation and will also ask a fair deal. The west as you’ve seen have just robbed
Your opinion is misguided thinking the West is the issue because it's plain to see you have not done your research into how the CCp Vs Chinese business works in other countries. The Governments interests is far different to private business interests and one is forever trying to sway it's interest politically, not just financially. This is inherently dangerous for small countries that have little to no experience or knowledge dealing with such a persuasive force like the CCp. Corruption, bribery and cohesion quickly take over a local government and perspectives shift from the people to self...... When referring to other countries wanting the resources, you are incorrect Private businesses within those countries are obviously interested but their governments have no interest whatsoever, so you have to understand there is a huge difference when comparing to a government backed operation and private equity back operation.
Mines require massive investments into the hundreds of millions these days, therefore it goes without saying, those capable of doing that WILL want their money back for such an investment. They are certainly not there to be a charitable organisation and anyone who thinks they should be is delusional. A business is there to make money so it is therefore critical contracts and agreements are well designed and written so the local communities get a fair trade for their resource. Panguna mine was the most sophisticated and expensive mine to build in it's time. The township had the best hospital, schools, training facilities and more modern conveniences than even Port Moresby, all built by RioTinto for the people and community at large. Anyone that feels it wasn't enough are those who at the time were officials who had greed in their eyes for themselves.
Me save took belong you,
You are 100% correct that western powers have squandered goodwill over decades of misuse of their power and influence.
The problem now, for those western powers and the good people of Oceania is that China is willing to throw money around to win influence, even as they historically are known for looking down on non-chinese as sub-human. This is a very dangerous situation for the Melanesian peoples currently, as you may find yourself in a future situation like the Urghurs in China currently do.
China will seek to crush your hard won freedoms over time, and it will be much worse than anything the west has done in the past. I really worry for you guys, as I lived in PNG back in the 90's and know how warm and generous the Melanesian spirit is, China is purely an exploitive power now, even as it 'invests'.
Psh. Another chinese bot pretending to be something else huh.
It’s a hard line. Do we want to keep tribal history or do we want to have western life style.
I hope Chris feeling okay. We care for him and all of you!
The tie looks nice Matt but you should have worn two ties. Double the power over Chris.
That's also how you defeat the tactics of your aunt.
She can't ask what's wrong with the ties you're not wearing if you wear all the ties!
Let's not forget that two masks was legitimately the recommendation of Anty Fauci who claimed that two masks are better than one. Remember that nonsense?
@@ezekielbrockmann114 You'll find that his auntie gave him two masks.
Bow tie would be a BDE move
@@bobs_toys one happy, one sad?
-how dramatic
Your guest selection lately has been superb, thank you John for giving us such a deep insight into Bougainville and China.
Bougainville fight for independence was way before Papua New Guinea got independence in 1975. The civil war was years after. Sir Michael Somare, God rest his soul, was fighting for independence and also trying to keep the soon to be new country intact. Read about the Mungkas movement (the black fist) (Bougainville secessionist movement). Notable Bougainville figures that time included Fr John Momis (now Chief John Momis), Mr Leo Hannett, Sir Paul Lapun (First Knight of PNG) etc. Thanks.
i grew up on bougainville and met them all
Thank you Matt and Shelley 💛and John aswell.
Thank you for this podcast guys 💛
Chris can't be there all the time. We love him, yes. Shelly especially, and that other guy (Matt) are really good also.
matt who?
@@Sir_Godz Matt Gnaizda. He's the one with the chiseled physique of a Greek God. He gets to sit next to Shelley and is best friends with Chris. I'm moderately jealous of that guy.
Other Guy... you can make a movie about that
Well they seemed to stay on track a little better without Chris!
With the tie he has all the power now
Great job Matt and Shelley! This was such a good episode. I learned a lot today. Ishmael and the people of Bougainville are a huge inspiration. This is a great example that seemingly weak and poor people can effectively stand up against the CCP and make a difference. It's also a great example of how strong moral values can protect your people and the sovereignty of your country.
There is always a motive behind a kind gesture. It's good he is being transparent about it.
Good on you Ishmel , i put a thumbs up for your courage and wisdom and protection over your land.. Amen
This guy is the only business guy I have found tolerable. Good talk.
We very recently elected in a new government here in Australia (9 days ago), we'll see if they take discussions with our neighbours more seriously. So far our foreign affairs minister's been abroad and proactive, but the end results remain to be seen.
A labor (leftist) government.
Traditionally friendly to ccp china.
Don't hold your breath.
by the looks of your FM I think this gov is going the way of University of Queensland
Anthony Albanese is a dish rag and will sell Australia out to the Chinese !
@@gyurmethlodroe1774 Dictator Dan wants to get on the belt and road, $300 higher rego coming for vic cars more than 2L.
Labour has spent plenty of time in power ignoring these nations .
People never look at past events .
Very interesting story I grew up as a child in Bougainville even before PNG gained Independence. When the self Government debate commenced I was a toddler as my parents were working for the public Works Department Departments Department
25:48 - This is pretty much the definition of freemarket capitalism...When both parties involved feel they are better off from the transaction. Its a beautiful thing🙂
You have to know what you’re worth before you can make a mutually respectful deal.
Well, yes, that's why in a capitalist country (including in a mostly capitalist country), both the rich and the poor is getting richer, very contrary to what socialists said (such as bernie sanders and his colleagues) that the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. Society's wealth are not a fixed, it keeps growing and growing, with its increase rate influenced by how much parasite government programs there are, international condition( economy and politic), and very rare natural disasters.
@@SoApost i agree to disagree entirely as national focuses could be entirely different
@@kysevader elaborate?
@@SoApost free market allows for a free stepping ground. AKA:
A turd site is still a turd site.💩
but when a free nation or people, can conduct FREE TRADE to ANYONE
Even communist ppl- the recognition of worth
can be sadistically twisted for a body nation
Or single indivudal
I have a new level of great respect for Mr. John Kuhns. This is the kind of American foreign investment and intervention that we need to see more of to counter China and their evil. He obviously has his own business interests to meet but he also understands how he needs to help Boganville be a stable and prosperous place for his own needs to be met. This is why many of us in the developing world still value America and the west as trade partners instead of China. It's mainly our corrupt politicians who prefer China for the bribe money.
I concur with what is shared here n with the Chinese, any leader who wants Chinese Aid here is Definetely Receiving Bribery money from Chinese. Remember, with Chinese, Bribery is part n parcel of their Business Culture.
Much of the finance are swallowed up by so called political leaders.
Stop you propaganda rubbish. The west has pillaged all resources from around the world and have returned nothing. Look at Africa, the riches in resources yet have been kept poor for so long whilst western corporates gorge their insatiable greed. NO WINDER AFRICA IDS KICKING WESTERN PIGS. Don’t be fooled by the west’s propaganda ppl! That’s what they do. Lie cheat and steal while running their mouths off with propaganda hit pieces like these.
@@user-gf7zm6yo2rshut up. White man have gorged themselves voraciously with loot and resources for centuries and have kept these nations poor for centuries!! China is the only nation developing these nations and enriching themselves as well. It’s called a win win deal. Unlike the west’s win-poor creation.
actually you’re wrong. China will make your nation prosper. The west only pillage. Look around the world mate. That’s your example. China develops your nation and of course needs a fair deal but the west just pillaged and leaves you with disgusting loans around your neck
GOD BLESS bougainvillea islands stay strong and believing in our GOD to protect you ❤❤❤❤❤❤
This is true independence when you say "bleep" off to the big guy in the area
Thanks for an absolutely fascinating episode - about somewhere I have never heard of 👍
It is amazing that such a tiny (relatively unknown) place is standing up to the relentless pressure of a superpower like China.
We must all hope that they can indeed win their independence, to then stand as an example to other nations in that region - to show that you do not need to become subservient to Xi’s Belt & Road Initiative...
Yes nice to know not all people and there leaders will sell there souls to the devil.
Bouganville needs to talk to corporations for investment, not countries. I'm sure there are more than a few in Singapore that would be interested.
Cannot picture the US helping Bougainvillea in any honest selfless way. We just do not have that kind of people in power here.
Sounds like Bougainville is in a position to leverage themselves away from that issue. But yeah they will need to be very careful being caught between a corrupt U.S. and corrupt CCP
watching from Province of Mindoro,Philippines.
This interview is so good.👍😀 I learned a lot.
I'm from Bougainville and whatever John Khun said about Bougainville is true
Is Chris okay? It seems Chris has been missing a lot lately is he going through any serious ailment?
Ccp finally got to him
He's like Batman, fighting the CCP by night, sleeping by day
Syphilis
Just like momis who was born on the coast of PNG, Ismael Toamara was born in the highlands of PNG.
so redskins
Papua should focus on getting the other half of their island back from Indonesia.... Rich gold and copper mines over there and it should be theirs anyway
The "vote" instigated by Indonesia in the sixties I think, was a joke, and Australia just sat on its hands and did nothing.
To be politically correct, your wording should be, " Papua New Guinea should focus on getting back Western New Guinea back from Indonesia".
@@erichtomanek4739 its not Australia's fault. It was the Americans. It was the 60s, Indonesian leaders threatened to join the communist block if UN and USA make West New Guinea a independent nation.
@@MikePenu-gt1wz I'm not going to refer to the people and island my ancestors descended from by the cheap colonizer name that will be gone when they get their island back.
@@teamthoth the Melanesians (west Papuans) are 1.6% of Indonesia's total population. Western New Guinea (west Papua) is 25% of the total land mass of Indonesia. How could 1.6% of Indonesia's population traditionally owns 25% of the country's landmass??? The Indonesians will never let go of West New Guinea.. Those hungry Asians need Melanesian land to survive.... God Bless West Papua...
Great show guys continue your honest news report ❤❤❤
Well he doesn't want to see his people and the destruction of his country
Very smart man 😮
This video is 2 years old and would be worth a follow up on the topic
Bogan-ville? That's hilarious in Australian.
So is the plant named after the same bloke:
Bougainvillia.
There is a Bogan Street in Summer Hill, NSW.
Racist
@@warvictim7144 lol sure buddy
@@warvictim7144Thats Australia mmMate.😢
South Pacific islands are friends of Australia, with such scale projects, why an American won't consult Australian government for that? Australia wants to keep their friends and we have Quad to look after them in redevelopment. Australia has given funding and aids to Solomon government, why won't Bougainville be the same as Solomon applying aids from Australia? Why one American company wants to monopoly the whole island?
Let the American do his part for Bougainville too.Aussy?You need to apologize to the innocent Bougainvilleans who were killed by gun men in your military Helicopters you supplied the PNGDF with to use on Bougainville.I still hear the sound of the machine gun from the chopper today.Kiwis? You are our good friends too.Aussy??????
@@hubertvunariri3080
Australia is a double standard bro in the Pacific.
The Mormon church bailed Tonga out of some thier financial responsibility to China. I heard this. Not sure if it is true
Aussi needs to do something more serious or be surrounded there.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Very interesting video, especially given my being a long time resident of Guam, with many ties to Micronesia. Please keep up the important work, bringing these stories to the wider world!
People of Bougainville and Solomon Islands are tired of Aids. Enough we need developing
This was a really good interview. Would love to hear more from him
The best interview in this channel!
Knowledgeable respondent. Thanks!
Bougainvillea have the rights to be independent .
Exactly. So they manage their resources to their liking. Hate to see the corrupt government of png to be part of it. 😊
Aussies need to get back there! Let's keep our friends.
Australia did so much for Melanesia. Thats why we call Australia, Mama Kantri (Mother Country)....
Get lost..we don't need Aussies here to in our politics or economics..uour meddling creates chaos and confusion..we have not progressed much when Aussies come in with Aussie agendas..we're much better of with other nations like China..
@@MikePenu-gt1wzMind you Pacific Islsnders fought in the 2nd World War to protect Australia&NZ from the Japs. Just lately ScotMo&Albo giving visa for PALM workers just because no BackPackers from Euro are coming and that China is looming around the corner.
As an Australian I laughed at the joke about the name of the country.
29:03
Umm no, here is the full history for anyone curious.
1. Bougainville was taken by Germany in 1899.
2. WW1 occurred, and after Germany lost, Australia took over Bougainville (basically replacing Germany there).
3. WW2 started, in fact Australian soldiers in Bougainville opened fire first on Japanese planes flying over, this started Australia's own war against Japan (which was a sub-part of WW2).
4. The USA is an Australian ally, so as a part of the USA's own war against Japan, the USA helped Australia defeat the Japanese in Bougainville.
5. After this, the USA left and just let Australia continue to own Bougainville (the USA never tried to help the actual people or give them independence, the USA just returned them under colonisation of a US ally, Australia).
The man on you brought onto your show is very dishonest I am afraid, he comes off as a swindler.
BTW I am Australian myself, and I am anti-CCP, but we have to be honest about how things actually were and not spin nonsense revisionism.
Tell this guy to put sustainable waste management at the forefront of their development to be ahead of the impact due to come from modernizing their infrastructure. In turn, reducing their need for government support long term and all the potential hazards as symptomatic biproduct towards growth
Brother Ismael stand on what you believe in God will bless you...🙏🙏🙏
This was a surprisingly professional and on topic podcast without Chris 🤔
it is wrong to say that european explorers discovered the islands in the pacific as if they were not inhabited by local people.
very good interview..........
Have you guys and gals at China Uncensored and America Uncovered thought about starting a Facebook page? I feel like you guys would get so much more views and donations
Seriously y'all would get alot of views on Facebook
They have them already, look it up.
I let Chris wear a tie????? Silly slouch.
The PNG National Constitution does not allow secession.
Amendments must be first made to the constitution, this could lead to the New Guinea Islands Provinces breaking away, with the Central Province following suit (CP got their referendum at the same time as Bougainville but wasn't politically developed, Central Province also contains the National Capital).
PNG would disintegrate.
As long as the US Industrial Complex has it's way the US will not adopt or try to compete with how China is conducting business by winning the hearts and minds of the island people and by brining in Jobs and economic aid. The China contract with the islands may favor china - China does not need this. They will simple fish in the waters next to the islands and also mine next to the islands just lik they do else where. China has over 1000 merchant ships that fish off of Costa Rica and other costal areas very far from the pacific. China's merchants fishing ships are everywhere, yet no one is stopping them. Also, some of these merchant ships are not what they appear to be.
The reference to Bogans only works when you mispronounce the name, but I thought of it the first time you said it.
is Chris absent for his hair plug treatment?
I share the same views as the interviewers and I would like to see Papua establish their own Federal government which can be a precursor to breaking away and becoming autonomous and gradually achieving Independence,or otherwise becoming another territory of Australia.
Australians be like what are the islands called? Say again? LoL
@princeston...princeston be like, an idiot! lol
@@panayotisdamianakis3658 :/
The Aussies needs to get their act together. Their enemies are right on their backyard.
@Diligent One-Six Um, we are. What do you think AUKUS and QUAD are, a ham sandwich?
But Australia has in 2024 begged their way back to China, "their enemy"? Strange.
Yep, the West needs to radically change its political perception on the Pacific Island nations.
China is offering us tangible development on a grand scale while the West offers tidbits.
Not a good strategy when China is a world economic powerhouse.
Hunger makes one indiscriminate and short sighted.
Hey Everyone, remember to write or call your representatives in government regarding Bougainville and the need for monetary aid in the South Pacific.
Also, Chris, Shelley and Matt, consider asking your guests, more formally and directly, what policies and legislation we, your viewers, could support at home. What could we write our governmental reps about?
Thanks and keep up the good work!
@shane kearsley yeah, you got it rough up there. Trudeau wants to become a dictator from what I'm seeing
Numa numa yo~
1:09:56 "Hope" yes, proactive and damage control would be better unfortunately.
Have a good one Uncensored.
Ciao...!
Correction. Bougainville was not discovered. It already existed before these so called explorers were born. Use of word discovered is discriminatory and wrong
Best interview ever.❤
For part of your journey, take the United Airlines Island Hopper from Honolulu (HNL) to Guam (GUM).
Excellent and important. Thanks. ✅
Very enlightening interview❤
Everyone should watch the 60 Minutes production of the Chinese construction company that went into Fiji, apparently without the knowledge of the Fiji and government, destroyed Arif and made a mess of paradise in an attempt to build a casino resort for Chinese tourists. They built on land that they did not own and they destroyed the environment in the process and then fled the country. I wrote a letter to the prime Minister of Fiji about my concerns.
But CCP is always taking care of the local population, right?? 😂
Wee the coconut rebellion.
Good to hear some news on Bougainville. Been cheering for them for years.
Also could you #Bougainville here? It's only #China but I know others like me are still curious and hopeful for Bougainville.
Really interesting and enjoyable interview.
God, His musical success sure took its toll on the Numa Numa guy.
( Doing my part to keep up the silly until Chris is back 😋)
we miss chris but you both did a great show!!!!
Interesting interview
When I heard the name of the archipelago, I thought it sounded like it could be a small town in Indiana.
Yee Yee 😎
He took the chiefs of Bougainville to USA to meet with Senate/Senators. Sounds like a bait
Matt, 'Bougainville where they send Australian rednecks'. Very droll.
Excellent analysis, I suspect a new dawn here in Australia, Foreign Minister Penny Wong is on the ball.
But everyone knows that china never lies and always is taking care of everyone elses needs other than their own personal gain, Right? 😊
Outside interference is the last thing Bougainville needs.
Regardless of what the intentions are.
Let's start now, buy products made either locally, NATO, or Western friendly/democratic nations (Taiwan, Japan etc.)
Tiananmen Square massacre. Persecution of Falun Gong. Forced organ and blood harvesting. Hostage Diplomacy. Coronavirus and previous viruses SARS, H1N1, bird flu and swine flu. Financial Debt traps on foreign countries. Prisoners of faith and belief Muslims, Christians, and Tibetan Buddhists. Slave labor. Famine. Genocide. Torture. Honey traps. Brain washing. Assault on democracy in Hong Kong and Taiwan. 50 cent army and cyber-hacking. Intellectual property theft. Economic espionage. Thousand talents program. Confucius Institutes. Battles of Tibet, Mongolia, India border and South China Sea. Ideological infiltration of campuses, colleges and universities. Massive amounts per year of air and water pollution as well as rampant bribery, propaganda and corruption among companies, organizations, agencies, law enforcement, and CCP officials. Communism operates exactly like a criminal organization. Communism and the CCP is the biggest and worst existential threat to humanity, society and the earth itself.
This bloke gets it
Very interesting segment.
What would the Chinese and indigenous Papa New Guineans and Bougainvilleans think about NATO video without NATO balance?
Gee! Is this a coincidence? Bougainvillea was the major Japanese Naval Base and facility in the area during WW II. Do you think the CCP might want this place for similar reasons?
Excellent episode
9:19 Got it ! re Bogan ! (good one mate)
Bougainville was formally known as North Solomons
He should run for PUSA in '24.
I am well aware of these story and the events how the mine BCL started and ended
Insightful video on CCP colonial behaviour.
Very interesting insights
Great show!
'Chris will be back' is it a slogan or an advertisement? 😂
I got the joke, cheers from downunder ;)
In Australia we use the word "bogan" to mean "redneck", it's so hard to take this new country seriously lol
Australia has some people that are very awake to the CCP world domination goals. While others are still probably being paid off to stay asleep. U.S., Japan, and Australia need lead the region away from the CCP. The islanders are not going to be able to do it themselves.
Agree, Travis. But, then those key democracies are labelled interfering colonial powers, who should butt-out of Pacific Affairs, for example. The BRI is a Trojan house. I wonder how Pacific Leaders are incentivised to hurt their own people. It is mad policy to insert, say, the Solomons into a conflict between AUKUS and China. The bots say how little Australia has done. Yet, Australia provided 45% of all aid to the Pacific islands between 2009 and 2019. China, 8%. True, Australia should have listened more to the Solomons’ concerns about Climate Change. The new Australian Federal Government now should be more sensitive to Inlander requests help.
Most Australians are aware, and very concerned about it, and want our defence significantly built up as a result. There’s a huge push for greater transparency in politics brought about largely by Chinese bribery and influence. Australians are anything but naïve on this subject.
Very informative!!!!!!!!!
Papua New Guinea people are not 🚫 poor by your standards however we don't want US and Australia
Conflicts was Initiated by Pangua Mine company CRA mining.
A Australian Miner.
Environment management was poorly down by CRA that turned into bloody war
Blame Australians.