America is Not a Christian Nation
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--Andrew Seidel, civil rights and constitutional attorney and Director of Strategic Response at the Freedom from Religion Foundation, joins David to discuss his new book, "The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is Un-American"
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Broadcast on May 13, 2019
_'The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."_
- The Treaty of Tripoli
(Signed by President John Adams and ratified by the United States Senate without debate unanimously in 1797)
Thanks for sharing! This one quote is all we need to rebut the claim that America was founded on Christianity.
yoou cant deny the fact that america is a christian nation, we have God on our coins, money, and even the pledge of allegiance
I"m not denying anything. I was quoting the U.S. Government of the time.
Mention of God, in government, came only very recently in American history.
A Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956, declared "In God We Trust" will appear on American currency.
Before that, it didn't exist.
Amendment I. of the U.S. Constitution. _"Congress shall _*_make no law respecting an establishment of religion,_*_ or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."_
Overturned in 1805, and only the English (not the Turkish) translation had it, but your point stands. The United States was and is a secular "nation" (that term refers to the people, when the reality is our government isn't religious- the people certainly are).
This is from the wikipedia page about that treaty...
Historian Anson Phelps Stokes' noted that "those who wished to deny that the United States as a government has any special regard for the Christian religion...[have ] almost invariably failed to call attention to the fact that the treaty was superseded, less than a decade later, by another 'Treaty of Peace and Amity,' signed in Tripoli June 4, 1805, in which the clause in question...is omitted."[17]
🕊 This is so very important. The foundation of Democracy is separation of church and state. When any country uses a religion to define itself. It’s NOT free!
Read John Locke, he explains church and state
The ussr didn’t have church, was it free? Think more brah
Right. So many people do not understand that.
@@skepticalstrom6247 Brilliant
Uther The Lightbringer- no need to state the obvious
Don't mix politics and religion. It's unstable and flammable. Got it.
This is why I don’t get all the support for Ilhan Omar and other Muslim politicians from the left. I don’t want any religious ideologues in our government personally.
@@aaronhumphrey3514 you do realize you can be religious and not force your religious views upon others, right? Durr...
@@humility1st you cant agnolage his point of view, ok. but immediatly calling a different point of view ignorant is just weak argumentation.
politics and religion should not be connected with each other. history tells you why.
@@facepalm8529 When a point of view is based on ignorance, you can.
@@facepalm8529You are right, thank you. I do not recognise the word agnolage,google doesn't either. Hutt r thank you for seeing my point.
A christian nation would favor christianity in it's laws
A secular nation would make no laws respecting the establishment of religion or inhibiting the free exercise thereof.
There is no such thing as a secular nation.
@@virtualpilgrim8645 there is no such thing as Christian nation either, stay pressed
@@giorgosneofutou6552 You don't know what a nation is... you are conflating the state with the nation.
The Christians in this country claim to follow Jesus, but they live nothing like him. Jesus was a homeless person who had nothing , living much like a Buddhist monk.
He said "sell all of your possessions and give the money to the poor, then you will have a treasure in heaven." Trump is the complete opposite of what the Bible says a godly person should be.
[Most] "Christians" are like that!
Oh, the irony!
Jesus would not be welcome in most churches on any Sunday morning.
@@efzapp7 Don't let that homeless, radical hippy liberal in the door!
@@Soapandwater6 Rofl that got me.
Ferdinand Magellan, explorer
"The Church says the Earth is flat,
but I know that it is round,
for I have seen the shadow on the moon,
and I have more faith in a shadow ...
than in the Church."
Isnt he lucky he wasnt tortured and killed for a statement like that?
Luckily Megllan was only 18 when Tómas de Torquemada died.
The story that the early christian church insisted that the earth was flat, is just a myth.
@@tessjuel Wrong flatearthscienceandbible.com/2016/02/09/60-bible-verses-describing-a-flat-earth-inside-a-dome-2/
Matthew 4:8 " Again, the devil took him up to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world " that he would have for only one act of worship.
That's not possible on a spherical Earth, but if your followers understand that the Earth is flat, it makes perfect sense.
The bible is not inspired.
@@dvonzosch461 omg I don't need to click that link to know it's bullshit lol... "flat earth science and bible"
You should go back to school lol.
The bible is a collection of mythology. A series of stories designed to guide people. At least, that's likely how it began.
Then the church started to grow in power. That's where christianity became a tool of controlling the masses and a good excuse for genocide.
You know how those people you hate? you know, everyone who doesn't agree with you? you know how you think they are barbaric for fighting a jihad against the US?
Imagine if they crossed the ocean and subjugated and murdered people who had less technology than they do?
Yeah, the church has a long history of committing atrocities, but I'm guessing you don't have an issue with that "because it was in the past".
Not so much, violence is committed every day on the ground of the Christian god. Ignorance is required by the religion. Your bible is still just a tool to control the masses. Christianity is a joke. A bad one.
They also executed anyone suggesting that the earth wasn't at the center of the solar system/ universe. But I'm sure regressives will find some cooky defence of this
Grown adults with imaginary friends are embarrassing.
Truly embarrassing.
1.8 million muslims disagree.
@@mediamattersismycockholste562 So fucking what?
@@mediamattersismycockholste562 your point? Its dumb no matter the flavor of sky wizard
@@julianerikson4191 you people have fun screeching at Christians, but that's only because they won't violently murder you. You'll get more respect lighting up the Muslims. (grabs popcorn)
It's time to tax the churches.
and the mosques. :)
YES! If they want political speech, then they should at least pay for it.
Religious exemptions are unconstitutional...
"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history. (See the cases in which negatives were put by J. M. on two bills passd by Congs and his signature withheld from another. See also attempt in Kentucky for example, where it was proposed to exempt Houses of Worship from taxes." - James Madison, Detached Memoranda
- - press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html
Ok, many churches do need to be taxed, however, some lower income churches do amazing work for the community, and need to taxed much less.
@@user-account-not-found : Exactly right.
But they could also pay taxes and set up a charitable foundation that would be tax deductible to reduce the burden.
HUGE GLASS tabernacle, luxurious life styles, and fancy cars are not deductible.
I haven't even watched 5 minutes yet and, as a Christian, I'm ECSTATIC you're discussing this. Thank you!
This country began as a Christian nation under Great Britain because Great Britain was officially a Christian nation.
The Christian Founding Fathers sinned when they and the Deists and Freemasons declared independence from Great Britain, an official Christian Nation and power that was ordained by God. Romans 13
The Christian Founders also sinned when they signed on to a Constitution that didn't explicitly state that the Lord Jesus Christ is Lord over the government.
The British government at the time of the revolt of 1776 was an explicitly Christian nation. The King and Parliament were Christian. The Christian founders that rebelled against the Christian King George III sided with Deists and Freemasons against a Christian government The Founders sinned by rebelling against a God ordained power, Great Britain. The Founders did not create an explicitly Christian nation like Great Britain. The Founders created a pagan State based on the blessings of Liberty, human reason and rebellion against Jesus Christ. Repent of support for a rebellious and pagan government. Amen
The god of the Founders of the US Constitution was Liberty or Libertas not Jesus Christ. Want proof? The Preamble of the US Constitution states ... " secure the blessings of Liberty"...
Notice the blessings come from Liberty, not Jesus Christ. This is idolatry. Blessings only come from God not from some idol called Liberty. This pagan nation even has a Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor. Many US coins have had the image of Liberty on them. The Preamble should have stated "to secure the blessings of the Lord Jesus Christ". So, Doug repent of the idolatry of worshipping Liberty and her US Constitution.
The honoring of the Goddess of Freedom began more than two thousand years ago among the ancient Romans. They called Her, Libertas, the Latin word for Freedom. Libertas signified freedom of action, freedom from restraint, independence, rights, and related forms of personal and social liberty.
@@1Whipperin so good they did
The word Christian is a meme now. These people dont act like what we know about christ. They are like the polar opposite trying to use the name to back their own ideas
Depends on the Christian. Some of them are all right, a lot of them are not. Some of them break the Ten Commandments routinely, many more don't know or appreciate what they mean.
I've found this is true for just about any large group of humans for almost any set of laws. So in my experience, labels don't say much for better or worse.
@@FilterExel totally agree
@@FilterExel I agree.
@@FilterExel well said.
@@FilterExel if you call yourself a nazi, and don't know what being a nazi during WWII entailed, you are still guilty by association.
your ignorance is no excuse for choosing to align with a malevolent, genocidal, lying, gaslighting, deity
Christian conservatives only care about 2 things. Repealing abortion and no rights for other than heterosexual couples. War and poverty are just fine
As a Christian and as a moderate I’ll tell you that not all Christians believe in control. Personally I am a pro choice guy and I don’t judge anyone because my Pastor always told me to “not judge others because they sin differently”. I don’t care whether someone is gay or not or has different beliefs because Jesus didn’t die for us to obey him but rather he died for our freedom. This includes having your own free will and making your own choices without fear. That’s just me though.
I am really appreciating this interview so much!
Secular nation with a majority of Christianity (when America was formed). The secularism is growing and christianity is dying in developed states.
@jfsfrnd
This definition makes no sense is the Pope's power *spiritual* or physical....of course its physical it always was...all political power is physical, politics is litterally "playing god" you set up rules of conduct and decide who lives, dies, flourishes and starves....maybe im misreading this sentence but it seems more like apologetics than a definition of a word. I hope there were other dictionaries in 1828
@jfsfrnd yeah I'm not sure how many ppl are gonna use your 1828 definition, as interesting as it is...
Secular states are also dying, far faster, to Islam.
The more educated a nation is on average the less religious people are in that country. I guess that is what you mean with developed. And i totally agree!
@Flutter Bly Canada, United States, Netherlands etc.
Thank you, David, for having this guest on your program. Very interesting, I will look up his book.
religion belongs nowhere in government. we all know what happens when people with power believe god is speaking to them telling them what to do. coughcrusadescough
Fun fact, "in God we trust" was added to money in the 1950s.
J S, correct IGWT was added to the paper currency 💴 in 1956 and it has been on the coinage since 1864. But that still doesn’t change the fact the founding fathers never included IGWT on the coinage from the first US coinage in the 1790’s to 1863. If that is what they had intended, IGWT would have been there from the start.
Great show David. Very interesting.
We need to see more of these kind of videos.
Correction; the religious nuts need to see more of these..
@@ADEehrh that's a way better point. I stand corrected.
Best interview I’ve seen in awhile. Thanks!
Not only is non-Christian, but it is neither a democratic nation.
In the last two weeks I’ve seen five arguments over if we’re a democracy or a republic or a democratic republic. We’re getting really good at arguing about facts.
Christian Right is challenging a woman's right to choice....and they are winning!
This is fascism, hope we're all prepared. Bird up.
vs Radical Islam, which is just all warm and fuzzy.
@@mediamattersismycockholste562 I'm not defending any of this stupid shit, there's got to be other ways.
^^Actually, most (over 70%) of extremism/terrorism violence in the U.S. in the past decade was committed by right-wing groups. That's with all foreign-born, islamist, whatever grouped in. That's over 70% of the whole pie. This is not up for debate, it's just a fact. But hey, I'll actually provide sources instead of just making crap up like you do:
www.jta.org/2019/01/24/opinion/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-our-biggest-threat-the-numbers-dont-lie
www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/CR_5154_25YRS%20RightWing%20Terrorism_V5.pdf
And the list goes on and on (a simple Google search will show that), but I think I've more than put your silly and baseless claim to bed.
@@TroIIingThemSoftly Hm. I shall look into this. It's very very rare that anyone else besides me in any of these conversation ever posts links to ANYTHING, so, thanks! Now, after giving the first one a quick read, I can tell you, as can be seen right in the link, that that entire article is an opinion piece. And he doesn't give source one for any of the opinions he has listed in that article. Regardless, 'I think we can all agree' (lol!), that the best source of specific numbers about any of this are FBI stats (for whatever the FBI is worth these days). So, I'm going to look that up. Having perused FBI crime stats before for some research, I'm not sure they have an 'extremist' section, it's more of a 'hate crime' section. Personally, if there are hordes of Nazi Jack Booted White Supremacists out there committing 70% of the hate crimes, somehow, amazingly, I have completely missed that. And, somehow, so has CNN, or it would be daily news. I'll get back to you. :)
Gosh! Why didn't we just start with WIKIPEDIA???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Right-wing_and_anti-government_extremism
Wikipedia actually lists all the stuff we've heard in the news. Great! However..... it turns out that the total number of these attacks... are pretty small.. especially anything recent, and, a smaller list than what I have above. Also, let us define terrorism = 'violence for political ends'. If that be the case, you going on about domestic White Supremacist Terrorists and all, what does that say about all the perps HERE?.....
www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
There's 639 attacks there upon Trump supporters for specifically being Trump supporters, ie: terrorism. That would take those supposed right wing extremists down to a very tiny number as a percentage. And then we have this...
web.archive.org/web/20190224012208/www.fakehatecrimes.org/
yeah... all those perps faking a hate crime certainly aren't Conservatives!
Go to that wikipedia artical again.. in their list of 'white supremacist attacks, only one was listed after the election... Charlottesville, and there's a lot of evidence that the guy who set that whole party up was a Democrat right up until the election. No false flag or anything there! LOL! Sure, wikipedia says THIS..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States
..THAT'S where that '73%!' number for 'white extremist attacks' comes from, but then.... THEY DON'T LIST THEM, OR SHOW A COMPARISON. Far as I can tell, the mass shooters that show up in the mainstream news, end up being mostly Democrat. The 'white extremism attacks', that wiki lists at the link in their statement, is a total from the 1950's, and only one since the election. Whereas Trump Supporters are attacked pretty constantly as soon as they break out that MAGA hat.
So... I"m going to have to call bullshit. Wikipedia is being manipulative, that CSIS is being manipulative, the other one is an opinion piece, the FBI stats..
ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime.. there, by year, show more hate crimes by other demographics than their percentage in society, so.... nope. No Sale.
You show me mainstream news articles of these attacks that apparently are happening all the time and on the rise since the election, in comparison to other groups/demographics, maybe I'll change my mind, but I can't find 'em. Now, if you REALLY want to have your mind blown with stats re: assaults and shootings, just look up COLIN FLAHERTY on RUclips and Minds.com or look up the FBI stats for his topic...
The Golden Rule:
He (or she) who has the gold, makes the rules.
I was talking to my godparents about this and Pete, and how times are changing. They are Christians, but were surprised to see how much hate "Christians" were showing towards others.
AronRa speaks on this extensively
@Jennifer Rissetti Aron Ra is an atheist speaker who travels the globe. His RUclips channel is one I subscribe to
@@crispymidget8531 he is also a scientist, man he is a great man. wish him all the best .
Aron reminds me of Rationality Rules; in appearence only though of course, because AronRa Is actually smart and not a piece of shit.
@Jennifer Rissetti He would have been a "cool" president. Highly intelligent, well spoken, and uses really big words. Religion will not debate him (because he knows the Book of Fables BETTER THAN THEY DO) He is cool, calm collected all the time. In otherwords SNL would die because there is no jokes they could make about him . Find him on RUclips. He is not running for political office but it would be cool if he did.
@@RemixedVoice what's your problem with Rationality Rules? He has made some good content in the past and does not appear to be any kind of moron, so what are you talking about?
man... David is such a refreshment from all the other news/debate/interview sources out there. Been watching a lot more of him, humanist report, and secular talk recently. So glad that i have
Pretty interesting interview. I will buy his book from amazon. As an atheist myself, I need to expand my horizon to the american chapter.
The fact of the matter is unchanged...
America is not a Christian country.
It's a country where you are free to be a Christian (or any other religion you choose).
“Religion is the patent troll of human progress.” It would like to take credit for everything good, which is not a good trait.
"Obama takes credit for the Trump economy"
No kidding.
If you're a religious person, please be wary when you notice that politics use your religion as a tool for their agenda. It's in their best interest to make things un-nuanced to gain your support, but nuance is absolutely necessary to truly understand your own religion. It's almost inevitable to become hypocritical when you'd buy into that type of politics.
"We don't judge things by RUclips comments" clever guy, give him a prize! :)
Ami only by a tweet
No, you judge things by tweets and facebook comments. Isn't that right Mr. President?
David. As someone who views your channel from the outside of your ideological perspective, I'm curious if you could make a video explaining in general, your perspective on common political issues...
Essentially, if you were a presidential candidate, what issues would you run your campaign on, and what would you hope to accomplish?
I figure this would probably be a more productive conversation than discussing candidates running today, just to remove some of the dogma surrounding the names that are out there.
Please and thank you
Jesus was not a Christian he was a orthodox Jew who followed the mosiac law of Moses and he preached in the synagogue not church.
I think you skipped the ghospel of John, that ghospel is very clear about who the Jews are and what they did to Jesus. Also, the other ghospels don't mention Jews so...theres that.
@@jmanakajosh9354 you're an idiot.
Don't speak.
What the hell are you on about the gospel of John?
All of the 4 canonical gospels mention jews.
The opening gospel Matthew begins by listing Jesus' jewish ancestors.
I agree. I’m not sure of what the point is though. Just a correction? Or that we need to take the Christianity out of the argument of Judeo-Christian values entirely? It’s not a big deal either way, but I read it differently depending.
@@maxfrank13
Ur just mad cause the Nazis were Christians. Telling people to shut up when ur wrong only works on your Mom grow up. The book of John is very clear, let's list some points:
*Jews committed deicide--pilate washed his hands and John refers to the Jews separately from gentiles*
*Judiasm is legalism*
*Judiasm is about revenge,Christianity is about love*
*Although mathew mentions:*
*Jesus says Woe to the Pharisees*
AND *Jesus says "it will be worse for you on judgement day"* Mathew 10:15
*The ghospel of John goes a step further* refering to the Israelites as _"the Jews"_
@itsasin1969
Also...
John Ch. 5
verse 2 names the *gentile name* of a location for a gentile audience
*then he immediately talks about saving gentiles*
"21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son"
The founding fathers were trying to escape the catholic church overrwach and control. This was the basic knowledge in middle school
I don't think that is correct since the 13 Colonies were founded by British people, yes the Puritans and Pilgrims were trying to escape religious persecution but not from Catholics. By that point and time the U.K. had left the Catholic Church and were Anglican I think. By the time the Founding Fathers were alive, the Catholic Church had nothing to do with them or the 13 Colonies.
@@rivera229..." To understand how America's current balance among national law, local community practice, and individual freedom of belief evolved, it's helpful to understand some of the common experiences and patterns around religion in colonial culture in the period between 1600 and 1776.
In the early years of what later became the United States, Christian religious groups played an influential role in each of the British colonies, and most attempted to enforce strict religious observance through both colony governments and local town rules.
Most attempted to enforce strict religious observance. Laws mandated that everyone attend a house of worship and pay taxes that funded the salaries of ministers. Eight of the thirteen British colonies had official, or “established,” churches, and in those colonies dissenters who sought to practice or proselytize a different version of Christianity or a non-Christian faith were sometimes persecuted.
Although most colonists considered themselves Christians, this did not mean that they lived in a culture of religious unity. Instead, differing Christian groups often believed that their own practices and faiths provided unique values that needed protection against those who disagreed, driving a need for rule and regulation. "
...Interesting
The 1st Amendment is NOT "I am the Lord, your God"... the 1st Commandment!!! wtf?
It’s so refreshing to know your minds exist out there, informing and debunking. Keep up the good work. I love you channel, Pakman.
Thank Goodness it isn’t ❗️
Awesome interview. I'm getting the book! Thanks.
I recommend putting it to a test that worked here in Germany 100% (!!!) of the time (probably because Germany is a much more Atheist country it doesn't work in the U.S. THAT successfully)!
Every time I get into a conversation with someone who claims Germany to be a Christian country and implying themselves to be Christian I ask them to explain to me the soccer rule for "offside"! Mostly confused they are practically always able to do that - being soccer to be the most widespread sport here! It is very hard to put it in words but mostly it is described correctly!
Then I come back to their claim and ask them to cite the ten commandments or to name a particular one such as the fifth or seventh!
And I have NEVER EVER been able to find someone WHO CAN!!! (I had priests as patients who clearly could have but interestingly they are much more nuanced and educated for such claims! Actually theological studies here are more philosophical and skeptical than one would imagine making them much more liberal than in other parts of the world!)
HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO LIVE IN A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY AND NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW THE BASIC RULES THAT ARE JUST TEN AND EASILY WORDED???
But in contrast know one complicated rule of a sport that most people don't even play???
Btw. I read the Bible, my parents come from a 98% Catholic country, was born in one of the most Catholic parts of Germany, went five years to a Catholic school and was forced to go to church two times a weak for several years! I know the ten commandments and I consider them as completely wrong and/or badly written! I consider murder to be wrong but besides that all commandments are stupid and/or redundant!
@@mediamattersismycockholste562 ....Bwahahahahahah...Edgy?...... NOT. Retarded?...Yep!
@@mediamattersismycockholste562 Isn't it revealing that you point to ONE incident YEARS AGO, meanwhile you right-wing knuckleheads break the law, disrespect the constitution, be hypocrites, contradict yourselves, proof to be the most uneducated morons ON A DAILY BASES!?!
This man should do an audible version of his book. What a great sounding voice!!!
Fantastic learning curve. Thanks David!
Even as a Christian, its amazing to me that so many Christians write off the separation of church and state as just a letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
Brynley Jones yeah I agree. Church and state should be seperate. The government should not influence the church and the church should not influence the government. Keep them separate.
Does anyome believe it's an irrational fear that America could become something close to a Gilead as in the series, Handmaid's Tale?
England did send the Puritans off to America because of all the fuss they were making. :D
Yes, they weren't happy with the Church of England not being fully reformed.
What a fantastic interview, thank you David.
I usually never comment, but i just want to say this video was excellent. Ive had this argument with so many people and seeing the whole argument laid out like this was great. Keep up the good work
Exactly why I'm an anti-theist.
Religion is bad, m'kay?
Golgotha_Mythos69 religion isn’t bad peoples use religion as the justification to kill does that make the the religion bad no same could be said for atheism atheism as caused the death of millions in China and Russia does that make atheist bad no so
@@sweetmyth2537 You're conflating Extreme Nationalism; under authoritarian governments where the religion is the government, with atheism
I'm an atheist but I wouldn't say religion is bad. Those who use religion as a justification to hurt or restrict others are bad. Otherwise, religion gives hope to many people and has helped encourage charitable events, etc. However, I agree religion should definitely not represent a country due to the downsides explained in this video.
@@14104 This is the heart of the debate. Sure, it gives people hope. Nice...I guess. But is it false hope? When a believer has bad things happen, or nothing happen, do they blame God(or the devil?) or persevere? Does their faith help them persevere? OR does their faith make them believe "everything happens for a reason" and thus, they should just give up..."Let go and let God", as it were?
The overall pattern on a society like ours in the U.S is negative, not just when it comes to horrific laws like these..but because it justifies all matter of shit like wars in the name of God(s). Ultimately, the more religious a country's populace is, the more these kinds of laws will pass...because they don't respect the other side.
Ever try talking sense to a staunch anti-choicer? They refuse to even talk to you, never mind consider how they might be wrong or how it's just a gob0goo.
Same for science that disproves their fables.
THAT IS religion.
Some believers are more Liberal and thus, less literal. But on the American Right-wing, they are almost all fundies who cannot be reasoned with.
@@sweetmyth2537 Google the "Atheist Atrocities Fallacy" and then please just stop employing it.
It's lame and not worth anyone's time.
The Bible justifies all matter of immoral ugliness and murder. It is no moral guide. Believers merely decide what parts to ignore and what parts to use to validate their bigotry. God commands us to kill, in his name. Don't fall for that "thou shall not kill" bs, as it only meant others in your own tribe.
The Bible makes all this shit crystal clear. No one ever seems to bother to READ the thing, ffs. Why is that?
America has a shit ton of Christians, but the nation is a secular one, where you’re free to believe (or not) in whatever God you like.
Seidel's got that smile like he's in on a well kept secret.
Brilliantly done by both gentlemen! The principle of logic and the world of thinkers are thankful to you.
I have been saying this for years!
Luv the comment on the comment section. 💗
We gotta push back. Non violently of 'course. Vote and boycott businesses that push this narrative.
Well that was frightening. Then someone needs to do a documentary about this. Clarifying exactly what they meant.
No kidding. You don't have to go through that with Radical Islamic Muslims, they'll let you know exactly what they think of you, usually when the vest detonates.
MediaMatters IsMyCockHolster and that has to do with topic how? They’re talking about America, and how the founders did not want religion involved in government. Unless your saying if we had as much involvement as islam we’d send our children to school with a loaded backpack
Well said Mr. Seidel.
Peoples find god when they are sick or died or going to prison or in prison.
That’s more of a reason for you to find him because your sick and one day will die also and you don’t know when so why procrastinate
“America” is full of arrogance..
Jesus was completely the opposite of a christian
Yeah, he was Jewish.
EXACTLY!!!!
He was against the Church.
So they killed him.
Then, the same people who killed Jesus wrote a book portraying the Jesus they wanted everyone to believe. And killed anyone else who tried to worship differently.
wow this part of the comments section got some heresy going on!
I can feel the hellfire waiting for you guys its so close (sarcasm)
@@maxfrank13 2 points, didnt jesus turn over the money lenders tables in the TEMPLE and is there any concrete evidence that he ever existed at all? The romans were very good at record keeping and there are no records of this man
@@maxfrank13A Temple is the equivalent of a church, unless you are going to argue semantics. Reputable historians with their conclusions based on zero verifiable data.
The reason i replied to you in this way is because you said no church which isnt quite true and you also said in his lifetime which again isnt provably true. I wasnt necessarily having a go at you just pointing out what i perceive to be misconceptions to a lot of peoples understanding
America is a continent. Not a nation.
Guy who looked like Jesus was working at the checkout stand at my local walmart. Jus sayin...
Ask him to perform the trick with the loaves and fishes, sometime.
Blonde haired and blue-eyed!?? Just dreamy and perfect!
Short little Jewish guy ?
@@davidtaylor857 Yeah with freckles. Thats him. Must be second coming / rapture time I guess.
Thank you for proving my point on slavery, religion, racism, and genocide.
I like this man, thanks for having him on. I started listening to him a few years ago.
It certainly follows the golden rule now. He who has the gold makes the rules...
Patrick Henry
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
thank you David that you even dare in these times, with all the cranks. Man you are the hero calm true to the job. being a journalist is sicking the truth,
Saw him first on the Non Seq show. Totally agree
i thought America was founded on freedom of religion........................not an establishment of a state religion.
As a Christian, I get mad about Christians saying, that this nation is a Christian Nation... my allegiance is to Jesus Alone, not to any President, like Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton and other Presidents. And yes, I'm a "conservative" Christian of the Reformed perspective.
judeochristian values is as funny as liberal democracy from a historic perspective.
I think one of the main disconnects between people who believe we are founded on those principles and who don’t is a distinction between the founding of completely different institutions. A large part of the US was founded on Judeo-Christian values, but those were the individual colonies and states themselves. This is apparent given the Salem witch trials. However the Union between these different states and colonies once Great Britain was kicked out was not founded on these principles. This union is what we call the United States. I would also like to add that we are a nation of nations.
I don't know how many times I heard in the 80s and 90s "Everyone can tell we are a Christian nation by looking at our money." (In God We Trust) What was interresting is that view was never juxaposed with their view that the eye and pyramid was not Christian and even seen as satanic. Either one point or the other were pointed out separately. So IGWT means Christian nation but an eye and pyramid and other symbols never means we are a satanic nation. Yeah ok.
Smartest, Wisest thing that the Main Stream Media has said all year... christian nation... christianity my ass.
If George Washington came back to life today he'd nearly immedaitely look to take Donald J Trump either out to the wood shed or to the street for a duel.
If we go back to the Puritans, a group that left England because of religious persecution and yearned for religious liberty, what did they do when they came to North America? They established a colony, immediately put down religious laws, and then persecuted anyone who didn't follow their dogma. Maybe our founding fathers were Christians, but they also were smart enough to see what religion dictated by the state did to society, and wanted to do something better. The wall of separation, by the way, doesn't JUST protect the state from religion, it also protects religion from the state. All these Christian Nationalists don't seem to know or willfully ignore what running our nation by church law would do to the state AND their religion. Eventually, one sect or group of sects will take over, and anyone not in those particular sects will be denounced as not Christian, then be shunned at best and persecuted at worst.
Would love to see this guest on the Majority Report to talk about the incredible importance of religiosity in American politics, something Seder and Brooks often dismiss the scope and importance of, and their continual confusion regarding atheists who want to emphatically challenge (particularly Christian) religion.
Not all the founding fathers were Christian. Jefferson was arguably not Christian, and Haym Soloman was Jewish, as two examples.
The Ten Commandment use is inaccurate, though. Thats for the nation of Israel.
The central claim of Christian nationalism is the one often repeated...that the United States is founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
And it is fundamentally wrong.
More often than not, Judeo-Christian principles conflict with America’s founding principles in irreconcilable ways. One would be hard pressed to name a single principle that is unique and original to Judeo-Christianity that positively influenced American law and government...( quote from Andrew Seidel )
*United States of América.
*U.S. Law & government.
América is not a country or nation. Therefore, 'American' isn't a nationality or citizenship.
An American is from the Continent of América!
From my understanding the letter ((J)esus) did not come about in any spoken language, Arabic, Greek, Latin, Cyrillic, Hebrew.. until about six centuries ago.
You're an idiot.
There's no understanding in your comment.
Received my copy of Andrew Siedel's book today. Going to be a great read.
When "In God We Trust" is directly written on Currency, there cannot be a separation of church and state!
The idea that the U.S. is the first place to have freedom of religion is a joke. The Mongol Empire had freedom of religion as an example.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Sheeps follow. Shepherds write the way.
Criticism and whining by those who have,
grit and responsibility by those who have not.
His book arrived today can't Wait to read it. I am not a trump supporter so I have a degree and can read.
freedom of religion = freedom FROM religion.
Whatever.... it seems more and more Americans are retreating into thier bubbles of comfort, blaming Christianity for our woes is a bit much. Humanity has a way of turning otherwise normal people into cult followers, and this doesn't just apply to religion.....
"woes"
But otherwise, this was an extremely intelligent comment.
@@FilterExel thanks - I missed that, fat-thumbs....
Correct. I see madness all throughout society.
Don’t tell nazis they’re Jewish blue jeans.
A large percent of Americans would love the US to become a theocracy.
I remember when I was a kid and me and my dad were watching this Christian program. They were saying all the founding fathers were christians and espoused Christian beliefs. My dad a Bible believing Christian looked at me and said, you know they're full of it right?
1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
First line, Congress shall make no law "respecting" an establishment of religion.
Respect: "due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others"
Therefore,, Congress shall make no law regarding religious feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions. while at the same time, not prohibiting the private free exercise thereof.
From the census I thought like >60% were though... Disappointing but true - I long for the day that everyone ignores these fairy tales as just that.
Gonna have to get rid of 1.8 billion Muslims who are pretty harsh defenders of THEIR fairy tales, good luck with that!
I don't know, all those anti-abortion bills look like Christian Evangelism not Christian Nationalism
The Kentucky Koran, legitimizing racism and fascism for the low I.Q. white phonies who walk among us. My favorite "Christian" response to a request for help: "I'll pray about it".
Number one a country can't be Christian because Jesus said his kingdom is no part of this world and when the devil tempted him with all the kingdoms of the earth if they didn't belong to the devil it wouldn't have been a Temptation in the first place this is like matter-antimatter to say a nation is Christian is an oxymoron
But Democrats would be fine selling this as an Islamic nation, given half a chance.
I think it's also important to have more experts from different backgrounds. I find it funny that there are only few politicians who are scientists or healthcare professionals, when these areas are big focuses in the current political climate.
Yeah, we can't have religious freedom while also having a theistic monopoly.
From my POV , one of the big reasons that there is so much strife and violence around competing religious groups stems from the fact that no religion that claims to have a "god" can coax him out of hiding to prove to everyone just who is right.All religions have a "go between" guy who interprets everything for the lay person. Ya think abuse of power might rear it's ugly head when certain individuals are granted this kind of power? Look around and read historical accounts of wars motivated by religion (most) and be astounded at the way humans will give themselves over to something greater even if they don't really know what that is. Separation of church and state. No brainer.
Humanity first
To be Honest "american" and "Unamerican" are Words that should not exist. Or used.
Something that gets lost in this conversation is the difference between government and society ... The U.S.government was not based on Christian values ... I think that is pretty clear ..But early American society WAS founded upon and centered around Christian values ...
The term Judeo Christian is also a myth which was created roughly at the same time as the creation of Israel.
As a non-American and non-Christian, I consider any country that mentions God (let's be real, they are hardly talking about Buddah or Allah) in their pledge of allegiance a Christian nation.
On a side note: I also consider any country that starts off their day with forcing their pupils to pledge anything a facist propaganda nation.
Students are not forced to do that. If any of them seriously objected, the school would not force them to.