*We've just published a video update on the whole Waterdrop A1 situation. The video also includes additional lab testing for chemical leaching that we've conducted on more than 3 dozen other RO systems/water filters:* ruclips.net/video/1xWC30aa7tw/видео.html
Good video, but the title is a bit misleading. The conclusion was that RO filtering in general is good, but the filter manufacturer did a bad job. The title made it sound like all RO filtering is not safe.
The internal tank OR filter released these chemicals; but, the filter problem apparently also exists in commercial RO systems. So, title was actually not misleading.
@@highonsmog it seems like in a meantime the title changed. Maybe not, I do not remember, but after seeing the title I watched the video just to find out that RO is safe and the manufacturer messed up...ok...them name the video "Not all RO filter manufacturers are safe"...done
@@boswater6065 Ok, I just wondered if it was a design flaw in their filters or something in common that might apply to other products from this company.
what were the test strips that were used? i had purchased the C1H instant hot water reverse osmosis system last year and concerned if i should keep using
I see Waterdrop is currently selling the A1 once again, they did stop selling them after your review came out. Any plans to test the ones they are currently shipping? IMO would be great to see lab test for both the A1 and the K19 and maybe even their new C1S.
We are planning to re-test the A1 and possibly other Waterdrop systems in future. Also, we'll soon publish a video update with everything we learned in the meantime.
She said that the purified water had been tested after 2 weeks of use, and the recommended 3 gallon flush at the beginning. It had been rinsed plenty and this still showed up
@@commie281 On an actual RO system hooked up to a tap it's recommended to flush for 30 minutes. So consider how little 3 gallons is to flush, and how little 2 weeks of use is for such a system that is used to just fill a glass of water at a time.
Thank you for your work. Looking forward the RO comparison. Would be very interesting also to compare the micro and nano plastic content after RO depuration. Particularly if we consider that the 2024 NIH study on plastic particles in bottled water proved that many of those particles derive from water purification processes
I agree. Unfortunately, testing for mircoplastics is extremely expensive. And testing for nanoplastics isn't even an option that labs offer at this point.
Based on the study you guys linked, it's more than likely that the chemicals are from the manufacturing process. Methylene chloride seems to be prevalent in membrane/polymer manufacturing, and it's either remaining in the membrane material or not removed properly as part of quality control. Have you looked at other RO membranes? It seems this might be a widespread issue and not limited to Waterdrop.
Wow! I have been using the waterdrop N1 countertop RO system for the past 3-years but just assumed the water was pure due to the low TDS. Now you have me wondering if my water is safe. Update- I took apart my system to check for any chemical reservoirs and there are none. Just the filters, tubing two pumps, a front holding tank that contains the UV LED and TOC sensor, power supply and controller board. The big pump is a LEFOO RO booster pump and that does the main pumping through the RO membrane filter. The water then goes into a clear front holding tank that you can't see unless you take the front cover off. That has the UV LED at the bottom. Then there is a small pump that pumps from the front tank to where the water comes out. I am wondering if there was a misinterpretation of what they said was performed in the manufacturing process. Very strange. There are rubber seals and two of them felt as if they were lubricated with something like petroleum jelly. It had that feel to it. Maybe that is the source???
We are still in contact with Waterdrop and they told us that there is no sanitizer in the A1. Those lubricants are usually food-grade silicone. We will post an update on this whole topic asap!
I was just watching your Video as I was intrested in getting one but No way as a little badness becomes fatal after some time . Thank you for this very clear point that companies don't care about the user just the money they like to hide the truth and not tell you what they put in it.
Thank you for this and your other excellent videos! It seems as though the concentration of the chemicals decreases over time and I wouldn't be surprised if they disappear completely after a while. I purchased a CoreRO C1H just before it was discontinued. When I turned it on, I saw that the initial rinse of the RO filter created very foamy waste water. Thanks to your video, I was aware of the potential problem and flushed the device three times. I now handle it in such way that I discard the first new filtered water after a prolonged pause (e.g., after the night). Of course, I can't say whether this is sufficient, but I'm not going crazy about it. I wouldn't be surprised if this problem also affects many other RO systems, as there probably aren't that many manufacturers of RO membranes ... Again, thank you for your great work! Greetings from Germany!
Glad you like our videos. You can check our latest video where we tested 10 countertop ROs. Only very few had issues with chemicals. But I would agree that you are probably right: The chemicals should eventually vanish.
I built a portable version of the multi stage systems that are commonly installed under kitchen sinks. Each one of those stages is a plastic tube that contains some volume of water. So any time it sits that means each stage has standing water. I installed a t connector and a valve to allow flushing of the entire prestage before it reaches the RO membrane. People who maintain fresh and saltwater aquariums have been doing it for years to ensure the purest water goes into their tanks since even the slightest contamination can kill off a tank full of various expensive tropical fish and corals.
I have a WD-N1 two months old. I will unplug it until your review becomes avaiable. However, Your dedication to researching the most important item we need to sustain life is most definitely appreciated. Some of the trolls really are annoying with the stupid comments. However the other 99% of us thank you for trying to keep us all safe. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your kind words! But please know that we won't be able to test the Waterdrop N1 anytime soon. There are just too many video topics and other products on our list.
@richardfairchild1808 In that case I guess this channel isn't for you, because ultimately we will never be able to "prove" anything to you. For everyone else, Waterdrop has basically confirmed our findings in the meantime and we'll post an update on this hopefully at the end of this week.
@@boswater6065 I have the G3p600, I hope this is not the case with it, as I just purchased it back in February. Look forward to the results, thank you for what you are doing.
Thank you for the video, If you guys could do the WaterDrop K19 , it would be greatly appreciated, I got it a month ago as my first RO water dispenser and have been using it daily. Wish I would have done a little more research before buying...
Can you test Bluevua RO100ROPOT Reverse Osmosis System Countertop Water Filter, 4 Stage Purification, Counter RO Filtration, 2:1 Pure to Drain, Purified Tap Water, Portable Water Purifier for Home I saw on Amazon?
Great Videos! Keep em coming! Looking forward to the Waterdrop N1 or K19 reviews. I'm still undecided between a Waterdrop or The RKIN U1 Countertop RO.
Hi Alexa, thanks so much for this. I own a k19 and I’m now concerned, having using it for 5 months. Have you tested yet? I’ll stop using it in the meantime
Amazing video, please test the Osmio Zero from the UK 😅 I'm worried now! I thought when I first bought an RO hmm I wonder if the membrane filter leaches any chemicals out . . . 😪 it seems like it might do!
Thanks, I've added it to our list. So far we've tested 10 RO systems, and 3 (including the Waterdrop A1) should potential signs of leaching manufacturing chemicals. But some of those chemicals were in really low concentrations which should subside quickly. Hope this helps!
RO membranes fill the final water with nanoplastics. The filters are made of plastic. You need to Google “Columbia University water nanoplastics study”. Good luck avoiding any of this and better luck finding vendors that are honest and know what their own products are doing.
Perhaps the disinfectant tank is contained within the filter and would get replenished when the filter is replenished? If so, they could fix the problem by redesigning the filters.
Good thinking. I'm just not sure how the system would make it so that the disinfectant is only released every several running cycles as stated by Waterdrop.
Nice work on this channel + research! Have you tested the Waterdrop x12? Holding off on waterdrop until more research comes out, it's a bummer because their products are so compact.
After seeing this I am going to unplug my Waterdrop A1 and wait for an update. If it is an issue with the way the filters are manufactured then they should send a free replacement filter to everyone that owns an A1 unit once they have fixed the issue.
Well...since most filters on everything are made in China ..I have always been suspicious of filters period..and why place an extra tank with disinfectant without consumers knowledge?
Hey please please tell me if you’ve tested the AquaTru UNDER SINK model because I’ve installed it in my daughter’s kitchen who’s got 3 babies 3 & under.
I’m thinking of purchasing either the NEW C1 series or the K19. Do you think they might have resolved this issue on their new line of products? (Especially the new C1)
Waterdrop has provided us with a lab report for the updated C1H, and it still showed tiny amounts of leaching for xylene, styrene, and toluene. No more leaching of dichloromethane, though.
Problem is all the water purifiers are made of plastic. Unless you test for them, you have no idea if the plastics contain pthalates and other chemicals associated with plastics and microplastics. I don’t store water or foods in plastic containers anymore.
What about Waterdrop G2 RO system ? The one you put under the countertop ? I bet G2 uses different kind of membrane. But I'm wondering if it's cause cancer too ? If you can do a test on G2 , that would be great .
It definitely uses a different membrane, but we've never tested the G2. However, the G3P600 and X12 turned out fine. The G2 is on our list but I can't promise any fast results.
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Yes, distilled water is basically pure H2O. But you'd definitely need to remineralize. There's also the energy consumption and it's a time-consuming process. But we will definitely test water distillers in future!
@@boswater6065 you do not need to put minerals in your water! you are supposed to get your micrnutrients and minerals from fruits mostly and to a lesser degree veggies, R/0 water is for cleansing and water in general is to clense the body not hydrate or for minerals, if you work out and you want to replace minerals but actual coconuts and drink the water from them and melons end of story, a lot of you youtubers need to step your game up and stop presenting false information
damn those labs ain't cheap you can go as high as $800 for their top of the line test. I got a 16 item test +coliform test from amazon for 27 bucks water looks pretty good w/o RO filter
@@boswater6065 You mentioned elswhere in these comments doing the "Ultimate" test from ETR labs, I found their price for that to be $799. Do you have any advice - I'm reluctant to buy a $800 test for my filtered water but $200 is ideal!
We use their premium test kit. That's around $250 I believe. A comparable test by Tap Score costs a little bit more. These are the only 2 tests we've used so far, and they cover a lot of contaminants. Totally understand that you don't want to spend $800. Maybe go with the $250 kit? I don't really know any good low-cost alternative.
That statement from Waterdrop is interesting. But their statement and this video seem to spurn more questions than answers. So is there a disinfectant reservoir located somewhere inside the guts of their machine? If so, what exactly are the chemicals in it? Is this part described in the manual that comes with the machine? Is this industry standard?
You may have mentioned this in another video or answered this below - if so, I apologize - but does this concern apply to other waterdrop systems, like the waterdrop g3p800? Curious since I just purchased this unit but cannot find that information anywhere. Thanks!
This can apply to any water filter using a reverse osmosis membrane. We've tested many other RO systems in the meantime and found a few others with issues (some leaching chemicals above and some below health guidelines). We haven't tested the Waterdrop G3P800, but we tested the G3P600 and this one was fine. Also, the G3P800 holds some NSF certifications so it was tested for material safety and structural integrity. This means that it may leach chemicals, but if so then the leaching didn't exceed the allowable concentrations, because otherwise the system wouldn't have received a certification - hope that makes sense.
@@boswater6065 , Thank you. Can you just say if G3P600 is safe? I bought it and waiting for your video to come out to decide weather to install it or not.
Thank you. There are a few stainless steel ROs, but at least those that I know are only partially stainless steel. So for example, they still use plastic filter cartridges, so not really ideal. There're also systems like the AquaTru Carafe that collect the filtered water in a glass container. But again, plastic components are used, too. It's always food-grade plastic, but I understand your concerns.
Curious your thoughts on a whole house system vs. individual filters at the sink/shower/etc. seems like the upkeep of these small systems is pretty expensive vs whole house just needs solar salts? But whole house is a big investment, would love your thoughts!
It depends on your water quality and what you want to achieve. A filter at the point of use may be required to remove all contamination out of your drinking water, and a whole house filter might not do the drink. But a whole house filter will probably do a much better job cleaning your shower water than a shower filter. But you mentioned solar salts, so I'm assuming you are looking into water softeners? Water filters and water softeners are 2 different things. If you want to soften your water then you definitely need to go whole house.
It is for sure. Yes, RO softens hard water. But whole house RO is extremely expensive (for one it requires proper pre and post-treatment of the water). And unless your water quality is really bad, whole house RO might be over the top. Maybe it makes sense to have your water quality tested first.
@@boswater6065 Which of their water tests did you use for this video? Remarkable findings, my families been using a WaterDrop RO undersink for years and I NEED to do this research!
I am searching the best undersink RO system and Waterdrop X series was under my radar....Now, I dont feel comfortable to purchase X series. What is your recommendation of undersink RO systems?
We always used to recommend the Waterdrop G3 series, but never had any lab testing done. We are working on a larger under sink RO comparison video, but it'll take a while to complete. Sorry, this is all I have right now.
theres a lot of soapy stuff that comes out when flushing a new filter. I wonder if the residual last a long long time - which would be very bad! They should recall this system, esp since the hot water function doesnt even work well!
Because... cheap Chinese manufacturers. They have no problem injuring their own people for a buck, why would anyone else be given additional consideration?
Could it be a false positive? I think you should have done at least 3 tests with 3 samples sent in 3 different times and at same lab and then 3 tests with 3 different labs. That would give a more accurate answer
No false positive. We'll post an update on this next week. Btw, I totally agree that more testing is always better, but at around $250 per test kit, this gets very expensive really fast.
@@boswater6065 why don't raise funds from people and do that properly so that everyone would benefit from this learning and see if we would be really in health danger? I was considering buying this and after seen your videos now I won't do it! Main reason I was already skeptical about these filtering and was thinking how effective they really are
if we take care of earth we wouldn't have a problem. Recycle, we need clean beaches, we need to take care of the ocean, even the fish we eat are contaminated because people dispose trash in the oceans and fish eat it. Boats are a problem because of gas. Do not flush paper, set up your bills electronically to save the beautiful trees, learn how to dispose trash and last buy electric cars!!! we need to make a difference, if we don't start today than tomorrow may be a little too late!
@@boswater6065 I sent an email directly to waterdrop, they said that the machine has not been collected and that it will be available with the filters again in June
We've never tested this one but it looks like a combination of whole house carbon water filter and salt-free water softener/conditioner. Is it a good system? Well, what is it that you want to achieve?
After such negative tests results, damaging sales of the product, I find it disparaging that you did not request another sample model, or review another model from Waterdrop. After watching your top 10, with glowing reports from another manufacturer (with links to purchase), it almost seem as though your reviews may be profit driven, (one persons opinion). Nonetheless, I believe for parity, since your review was so negative, it would have been fair to request another model to verify these results.
Did you watch the entire video? Someone completely independent from us (Derek from Modern Castle) found the exact same chemical with his unit. Also, Waterdrop has basically confirmed our findings in the meantime. We'll post an update on this next week. Btw, yes, this channel is run based on affiliate commissions which we are 100% open and honest about. But we are also participating in Waterdrop's affiliate program. In other words, not recommending the Waterdrop A1 was the worst possible move we could have made from a financial perspective.
It has been months. Any updates? Also you've rated multiple systems but you didn't mention in that video these findings or these test being ran on those under sink systems. Thank you so much for the money and time spent. We really need an update.
@@boswater6065 ok, understood, thanks. I’ll probably be opting for an aquarium style Ro, and accept the fact of a small inconvenience. Ill adapt to my faucet, fill a few 1gal glass jugs, then disconnect, as I’ll only be using 1-2g a day. I guess this is too much high tech for a little convenience for the amount I will use. I worked for culligam years ago, so understand the basic ro concept. Thanks
@Mr.C-Mister Update will be coming this week hopefully. We ran the same tests on all our countertop and under sink RO systems. Most were without problems. You can check our Google sheets - they contain all the data you need.
The Sans water purifier is on our list, but I cannot promise if/when we'll test it - there are just so many products out there and we have to prioritize the most popular ones.
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*We've just published a video update on the whole Waterdrop A1 situation. The video also includes additional lab testing for chemical leaching that we've conducted on more than 3 dozen other RO systems/water filters:* ruclips.net/video/1xWC30aa7tw/видео.html
Good video, but the title is a bit misleading. The conclusion was that RO filtering in general is good, but the filter manufacturer did a bad job. The title made it sound like all RO filtering is not safe.
The internal tank OR filter released these chemicals; but, the filter problem apparently also exists in commercial RO systems. So, title was actually not misleading.
These amateur content creators have to make their titles spectacular to get eyes on their channels. All they get from me is do not suggest channel.
Clickbait
Thanks
@@highonsmog it seems like in a meantime the title changed. Maybe not, I do not remember, but after seeing the title I watched the video just to find out that RO is safe and the
manufacturer messed up...ok...them name the video "Not all RO filter manufacturers are safe"...done
Methylene Chloride and Xylene could be from manufacturing adhesives for PVC.
Interesting! Are you an expert in the field?
loved this video, looking forward to k19 test!
Is this applicable to ALL Waterdrop systems?
Definitely not!
@@boswater6065 Ok, I just wondered if it was a design flaw in their filters or something in common that might apply to other products from this company.
2 other systems that we tested just recently was the G3P600 and the X12 and they showed no signs of leaching.
@@boswater6065 Thank you very much for your responses and research! It is greatly appreciated.
You are performing a great public service. Clean water should be at the top of everyone’s list.
This is a pretty significant issue. Very unfortunate. It's great that you suggested others at the end.
what were the test strips that were used? i had purchased the C1H instant hot water reverse osmosis system last year and concerned if i should keep using
RUclips should give you a one-click option of automatically blocking creators who put clickbait like this out
I see Waterdrop is currently selling the A1 once again, they did stop selling them after your review came out. Any plans to test the ones they are currently shipping? IMO would be great to see lab test for both the A1 and the K19 and maybe even their new C1S.
We are planning to re-test the A1 and possibly other Waterdrop systems in future. Also, we'll soon publish a video update with everything we learned in the meantime.
I was thinking about getting this exact system. Thank you
Thanks for saving me, I was about to buy one! 🤗 Thankgod I do my research.
@audenharper3014 - which system are you going for?
I assume this has to do with the RO membrane not being flushed enough when new. Doesn't hurt to always flush double the recommended amount or more.
She said that the purified water had been tested after 2 weeks of use, and the recommended 3 gallon flush at the beginning. It had been rinsed plenty and this still showed up
@@commie281 On an actual RO system hooked up to a tap it's recommended to flush for 30 minutes. So consider how little 3 gallons is to flush, and how little 2 weeks of use is for such a system that is used to just fill a glass of water at a time.
THANK YOU FOR RELEASING THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION 😇🙏🏽👍🏾
Thank you for your work. Looking forward the RO comparison. Would be very interesting also to compare the micro and nano plastic content after RO depuration. Particularly if we consider that the 2024 NIH study on plastic particles in bottled water proved that many of those particles derive from water purification processes
I agree. Unfortunately, testing for mircoplastics is extremely expensive. And testing for nanoplastics isn't even an option that labs offer at this point.
Thank you for being honest ❤
Based on the study you guys linked, it's more than likely that the chemicals are from the manufacturing process. Methylene chloride seems to be prevalent in membrane/polymer manufacturing, and it's either remaining in the membrane material or not removed properly as part of quality control. Have you looked at other RO membranes? It seems this might be a widespread issue and not limited to Waterdrop.
We tested about a dozen RO systems so far and found a few more with issues.
@@boswater6065is there anywhere we can access all the results in 1 place?
Yes, check our top 10 countertop RO system video on the channel. It links to a Google sheet with all the lab results.
@@boswater6065I use RO water in whole food market, what do u think their water quality? Is that good or has the similar issue?
@zmh021810 I have no idea, sorry.
Wow! I have been using the waterdrop N1 countertop RO system for the past 3-years but just assumed the water was pure due to the low TDS. Now you have me wondering if my water is safe. Update- I took apart my system to check for any chemical reservoirs and there are none. Just the filters, tubing two pumps, a front holding tank that contains the UV LED and TOC sensor, power supply and controller board. The big pump is a LEFOO RO booster pump and that does the main pumping through the RO membrane filter. The water then goes into a clear front holding tank that you can't see unless you take the front cover off. That has the UV LED at the bottom. Then there is a small pump that pumps from the front tank to where the water comes out. I am wondering if there was a misinterpretation of what they said was performed in the manufacturing process. Very strange. There are rubber seals and two of them felt as if they were lubricated with something like petroleum jelly. It had that feel to it. Maybe that is the source???
We are still in contact with Waterdrop and they told us that there is no sanitizer in the A1. Those lubricants are usually food-grade silicone. We will post an update on this whole topic asap!
I liked this video. I must be water nerd. LOL 🤣
I was just watching your Video as I was intrested in getting one but No way as a little badness becomes fatal after some time .
Thank you for this very clear point that companies don't care about the user just the money they like to hide the truth and not tell you what they put in it.
Thank you for this and your other excellent videos! It seems as though the concentration of the chemicals decreases over time and I wouldn't be surprised if they disappear completely after a while.
I purchased a CoreRO C1H just before it was discontinued. When I turned it on, I saw that the initial rinse of the RO filter created very foamy waste water. Thanks to your video, I was aware of the potential problem and flushed the device three times. I now handle it in such way that I discard the first new filtered water after a prolonged pause (e.g., after the night). Of course, I can't say whether this is sufficient, but I'm not going crazy about it. I wouldn't be surprised if this problem also affects many other RO systems, as there probably aren't that many manufacturers of RO membranes ...
Again, thank you for your great work! Greetings from Germany!
Glad you like our videos. You can check our latest video where we tested 10 countertop ROs. Only very few had issues with chemicals. But I would agree that you are probably right: The chemicals should eventually vanish.
I built a portable version of the multi stage systems that are commonly installed under kitchen sinks. Each one of those stages is a plastic tube that contains some volume of water. So any time it sits that means each stage has standing water. I installed a t connector and a valve to allow flushing of the entire prestage before it reaches the RO membrane. People who maintain fresh and saltwater aquariums have been doing it for years to ensure the purest water goes into their tanks since even the slightest contamination can kill off a tank full of various expensive tropical fish and corals.
I have a WD-N1 two months old. I will unplug it until your review becomes avaiable. However, Your dedication to researching the most important item we need to sustain life is most definitely appreciated. Some of the trolls really are annoying with the stupid comments. However the other 99% of us thank you for trying to keep us all safe. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your kind words! But please know that we won't be able to test the Waterdrop N1 anytime soon. There are just too many video topics and other products on our list.
@richardfairchild1808 In that case I guess this channel isn't for you, because ultimately we will never be able to "prove" anything to you. For everyone else, Waterdrop has basically confirmed our findings in the meantime and we'll post an update on this hopefully at the end of this week.
Thank you for the information. Any updates would be much appreciated.
There will hopefully be an update at the end of the month!
Crikey. I wonder what brand of filters they used. Or what disinfectant solution. But that seems very strange
Great job, BOS! Some eye-opening tests and analysis.
Awesome job, more people got to be detectives nowadays, can't trust any of those shady companies!
Have you given up your cancer causing tech devices like cell phones and Bluetooth devices?
what a gem of a channel, thank you
Looks like they stopped selling this? Can't find it anywhere suddenly.
Correct. This was confirmed by Waterdrop. They told as they are looking into the issue which I think is the right approach.
Have you tested more Waterdrop systems yet? Interested to see if this is a problem with all models or just this one.
We are in the process of testing 2 more, but results aren't in yet.
I wish you'd test the water drop G3 d 800 under counter system from water drop.
We're testing the G3P600, not the 800 model.
@@boswater6065 I have the G3p600, I hope this is not the case with it, as I just purchased it back in February. Look forward to the results, thank you for what you are doing.
Test results for the G3P600 came back fine!
Waterdrop Inc. is headquartered in China.........................
Women are way tooooo fearful of everything! Glad i got rud if mine! Sheesh!
Thank you for the video, If you guys could do the WaterDrop K19 , it would be greatly appreciated, I got it a month ago as my first RO water dispenser and have been using it daily. Wish I would have done a little more research before buying...
This one is on our list already!
Can you test Bluevua RO100ROPOT Reverse Osmosis System Countertop Water Filter, 4 Stage Purification, Counter RO Filtration, 2:1 Pure to Drain, Purified Tap Water, Portable Water Purifier for Home I saw on Amazon?
We are testing it right now!
@@boswater6065 Thank you.
@@boswater6065 Is your water utility LADWP?
No
@@boswater6065I’m interested in this too! Thank you!
Great video! Please do more of this! ❤❤❤
Great Videos! Keep em coming! Looking forward to the Waterdrop N1 or K19 reviews. I'm still undecided between a Waterdrop or The RKIN U1 Countertop RO.
We haven't tested any of these yet so I can't really provide any advice at this point.
Hi Alexa, thanks so much for this. I own a k19 and I’m now concerned, having using it for 5 months. Have you tested yet? I’ll stop using it in the meantime
No, haven' tested this one yet. I've added it to our list!
@@boswater6065 Please test the k19! Eagerly waiting for this unit, thanks :)
Amazing video, please test the Osmio Zero from the UK 😅 I'm worried now! I thought when I first bought an RO hmm I wonder if the membrane filter leaches any chemicals out . . . 😪 it seems like it might do!
Thanks, I've added it to our list. So far we've tested 10 RO systems, and 3 (including the Waterdrop A1) should potential signs of leaching manufacturing chemicals. But some of those chemicals were in really low concentrations which should subside quickly. Hope this helps!
RO membranes fill the final water with nanoplastics. The filters are made of plastic. You need to Google “Columbia University water nanoplastics study”. Good luck avoiding any of this and better luck finding vendors that are honest and know what their own products are doing.
Perhaps the disinfectant tank is contained within the filter and would get replenished when the filter is replenished? If so, they could fix the problem by redesigning the filters.
Good thinking. I'm just not sure how the system would make it so that the disinfectant is only released every several running cycles as stated by Waterdrop.
Nice work on this channel + research! Have you tested the Waterdrop x12? Holding off on waterdrop until more research comes out, it's a bummer because their products are so compact.
Yes, we tested the X12 just recently, and no chemicals found.
After seeing this I am going to unplug my Waterdrop A1 and wait for an update.
If it is an issue with the way the filters are manufactured then they should send a free replacement filter to everyone that owns an A1 unit once they have fixed the issue.
Agreed!
Well...since most filters on everything are made in China ..I have always been suspicious of filters period..and why place an extra tank with disinfectant without consumers knowledge?
We've posted a video update on this (link in video description).
Hey please please tell me if you’ve tested the AquaTru UNDER SINK model because I’ve installed it in my daughter’s kitchen who’s got 3 babies 3 & under.
No, we haven't.
I’m thinking of purchasing either the NEW C1 series or the K19. Do you think they might have resolved this issue on their new line of products? (Especially the new C1)
Waterdrop has provided us with a lab report for the updated C1H, and it still showed tiny amounts of leaching for xylene, styrene, and toluene. No more leaching of dichloromethane, though.
When you discover the source of the cancer causing materials .. make a video.
Thanks for warning
We've posted a video update on this (link in video description).
The letter ment there tanks in manufacturing. They need to fix this . Could u review the waterdrop pitcher filter next?
We did. It's part of our pitcher comparison video!
Problem is all the water purifiers are made of plastic. Unless you test for them, you have no idea if the plastics contain pthalates and other chemicals associated with plastics and microplastics. I don’t store water or foods in plastic containers anymore.
You could store the water in a glass container once purified. Also, there are some water purifiers that are completely tankless.
Isn't the main issue with plastic bottles due to extreme temperatures (hot or cold) forcing these chemicals out of the plastic?
I think UV light and warm temperatures accelerate the process but I might be wrong.
What about Waterdrop G2 RO system ? The one you put under the countertop ? I bet G2 uses different kind of membrane. But I'm wondering if it's cause cancer too ? If you can do a test on G2 , that would be great .
It definitely uses a different membrane, but we've never tested the G2. However, the G3P600 and X12 turned out fine. The G2 is on our list but I can't promise any fast results.
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Thanks for sharing!
Bad pronounciation.... Australian.. .???
Filters are made of plastic. Massive amount of surface area in contact with your water. No thanks. Spring water and distillation for me.
Thanks for sharing!
Do you guys test distilling water filter systems? Wont those be better since theres no ro membrane?
Yes, distilled water is basically pure H2O. But you'd definitely need to remineralize. There's also the energy consumption and it's a time-consuming process. But we will definitely test water distillers in future!
@@boswater6065 you do not need to put minerals in your water! you are supposed to get your micrnutrients and minerals from fruits mostly and to a lesser degree veggies, R/0 water is for cleansing and water in general is to clense the body not hydrate or for minerals, if you work out and you want to replace minerals but actual coconuts and drink the water from them and melons end of story, a lot of you youtubers need to step your game up and stop presenting false information
damn those labs ain't cheap you can go as high as $800 for their top of the line test. I got a 16 item test +coliform test from amazon for 27 bucks water looks pretty good w/o RO filter
The question is how reliable these tests are...
Hot water and plastic, terrible combo. Could the chemicals be coming from this?
No, since we tested the cold water.
Great information video. What is appropriate cost for the lab test?
Ours is a little more than $200 per water sample. But it also depends on how many and which analytes you are testing for.
@@boswater6065 You mentioned elswhere in these comments doing the "Ultimate" test from ETR labs, I found their price for that to be $799. Do you have any advice - I'm reluctant to buy a $800 test for my filtered water but $200 is ideal!
We use their premium test kit. That's around $250 I believe. A comparable test by Tap Score costs a little bit more. These are the only 2 tests we've used so far, and they cover a lot of contaminants. Totally understand that you don't want to spend $800. Maybe go with the $250 kit? I don't really know any good low-cost alternative.
Never thought I would need to lab test RO water. Heh.. Eye opener. Thanks for the video.. I use ispring 5 stage system.
Glad it helped!
click bate its only about a specific reverse osmosis device
I see your point. However, based on the study we covered in the video, it is quite possible that more RO systems are affected.
Do you think this applies to the aquatru system? I am very nervous about RO systems
It doesn't. We tested it.
@@boswater6065 thanks for your answer. As I'm currently in the process to buy an aquatrue.. 🙂
@@boswater6065so is aquatru a good filter?
Hi, great video! I would be interested in a watertest for the Waterdrop K6. Have you tested it before? Greetings from Germany :)
Not tested yet, but it's on our list.
That statement from Waterdrop is interesting. But their statement and this video seem to spurn more questions than answers. So is there a disinfectant reservoir located somewhere inside the guts of their machine? If so, what exactly are the chemicals in it? Is this part described in the manual that comes with the machine? Is this industry standard?
There is no disinfectant reservoir inside the machine. We're still in contact with Waterdrop and they told us. We will post an update on this asap.
Can you please test the Bluevua RO system.
We did and we will publish a video on that soon!
You may have mentioned this in another video or answered this below - if so, I apologize - but does this concern apply to other waterdrop systems, like the waterdrop g3p800? Curious since I just purchased this unit but cannot find that information anywhere. Thanks!
This can apply to any water filter using a reverse osmosis membrane. We've tested many other RO systems in the meantime and found a few others with issues (some leaching chemicals above and some below health guidelines). We haven't tested the Waterdrop G3P800, but we tested the G3P600 and this one was fine. Also, the G3P800 holds some NSF certifications so it was tested for material safety and structural integrity. This means that it may leach chemicals, but if so then the leaching didn't exceed the allowable concentrations, because otherwise the system wouldn't have received a certification - hope that makes sense.
@@boswater6065 thank you
is the waterdrop g3 600 or 800 affected by this too?
G3P600: No. G3P800: Not tested yet.
Were the chemicals elevated in the regular/untreated tap water?
No.
@@boswater6065 Interesting....definitely something with the machine!
This is why 24 years ago I switched from ROS to distiller to distill tap water into pure water.
Did you really know about that 24 years ago? Would love to learn more!
Have you tested the Sun pure system? Just bought one and wondering if I made a mistake.
No, we haven't.
thanks for sharing, super helpful
Thanks for watching!
I would love to get our filtered water tested. Where do you send yours?
We use ETR Labs.
In what lab did you send the RO water in?
We use the Premium Water Test by ETR Labs.
I see you have a review of the waterdrop G3 but the video doesn't mention water tests. Have you done water tests for the G2 or G3?
Very, very soon for the G3P600!
@@boswater6065 , Thank you. Can you just say if G3P600 is safe? I bought it and waiting for your video to come out to decide weather to install it or not.
It was safe! No Leaching.
yikes... great review. Is there a stainless steel RO unit that is worth looking into? What about all these plastic components leaching over time?
Thank you. There are a few stainless steel ROs, but at least those that I know are only partially stainless steel. So for example, they still use plastic filter cartridges, so not really ideal. There're also systems like the AquaTru Carafe that collect the filtered water in a glass container. But again, plastic components are used, too. It's always food-grade plastic, but I understand your concerns.
What countertop RO machines are good?
We have a video on that on the channel!
Have you tested waterdrop N1 countertop filter. Does that one have chemicals?
No, not yet. But it's on our list!
@boswater6065 please test that soon. If that's the case it is dangerous to have this filter. I appreciate your video!
Can you please review bluedot water filter. Thank you.
Added to our list!
Can anyone tell me if the g2p600 is safe to use?
It didn't leach any chemicals in our recent testing.
Grateful for this video, and water test!
Glad it was helpful!
Can you send a link to the lab contact info? Thanks
etrlabs.com
Thanks mom
What about water drop K19
Haven't tested this one yet, but it's one our list.
Can you test the waterdrop D6? We just bought this system!
I've added it to our list!
Curious your thoughts on a whole house system vs. individual filters at the sink/shower/etc. seems like the upkeep of these small systems is pretty expensive vs whole house just needs solar salts? But whole house is a big investment, would love your thoughts!
It depends on your water quality and what you want to achieve. A filter at the point of use may be required to remove all contamination out of your drinking water, and a whole house filter might not do the drink. But a whole house filter will probably do a much better job cleaning your shower water than a shower filter. But you mentioned solar salts, so I'm assuming you are looking into water softeners? Water filters and water softeners are 2 different things. If you want to soften your water then you definitely need to go whole house.
@@boswater6065 hmm, we looked at a RO whole house system that also softens the water from my understanding? Is that a thing?
It is for sure. Yes, RO softens hard water. But whole house RO is extremely expensive (for one it requires proper pre and post-treatment of the water). And unless your water quality is really bad, whole house RO might be over the top. Maybe it makes sense to have your water quality tested first.
Where do you send your water in for testing?
etrlabs.com/product/premium-water-test/
Great Video. Do you use ETR laboratories for all of your testing?
Usually, yes!
@@boswater6065 Which of their water tests did you use for this video? Remarkable findings, my families been using a WaterDrop RO undersink for years and I NEED to do this research!
@@boswater6065 I'm seeing "basic, premium, and Ultimate"
Premium!
where do you send your water in for testing?
ETR Laboratories. You can find it on Google.
Aqua true
I am searching the best undersink RO system and Waterdrop X series was under my radar....Now, I dont feel comfortable to purchase X series. What is your recommendation of undersink RO systems?
We always used to recommend the Waterdrop G3 series, but never had any lab testing done. We are working on a larger under sink RO comparison video, but it'll take a while to complete. Sorry, this is all I have right now.
@@boswater6065You guys ever get a chance to test the G3 for this problem? Thanks!
Yes. Video coming soon!
theres a lot of soapy stuff that comes out when flushing a new filter. I wonder if the residual last a long long time - which would be very bad! They should recall this system, esp since the hot water function doesnt even work well!
Can you please review some other Waterdrop systems, I have one of the larger systems and I am pretty concerned.
We're doing so right now!
@@boswater6065 Thank you! #girldad #parentlife
Hello, thanks for your video. I cannot understand why such products are release with this kind of problems...
Because... cheap Chinese manufacturers. They have no problem injuring their own people for a buck, why would anyone else be given additional consideration?
What about Dichloromethane
dichloromethane = methylene chloride
I’m curious the results for G3
Will publish asap!
Could it be a false positive? I think you should have done at least 3 tests with 3 samples sent in 3 different times and at same lab and then 3 tests with 3 different labs. That would give a more accurate answer
No false positive. We'll post an update on this next week. Btw, I totally agree that more testing is always better, but at around $250 per test kit, this gets very expensive really fast.
@@boswater6065 why don't raise funds from people and do that properly so that everyone would benefit from this learning and see if we would be really in health danger? I was considering buying this and after seen your videos now I won't do it! Main reason I was already skeptical about these filtering and was thinking how effective they really are
@@boswater6065 Would be good to do as I suggested above and your video could go viral and make the money from youtube and recover the investment
if we take care of earth we wouldn't have a problem. Recycle, we need clean beaches, we need to take care of the ocean, even the fish we eat are contaminated because people dispose trash in the oceans and fish eat it. Boats are a problem because of gas. Do not flush paper, set up your bills electronically to save the beautiful trees, learn how to dispose trash and last buy electric cars!!! we need to make a difference, if we don't start today than tomorrow may be a little too late!
Where do you send for testing?
ETR Labs
some news? I was looking for filters and found that they are unavailable everywhere. I don't know whether to continue using the system
They said they would pause selling because they wanted to do their own testing. We're still waiting for an update ourselves.
@@boswater6065 I sent an email directly to waterdrop, they said that the machine has not been collected and that it will be available with the filters again in June
Thanks for sharing!
Great and thorough information. Thanks
Glad that you like it. You're welcome!
Is Halo 5 a good system?
We've never tested this one but it looks like a combination of whole house carbon water filter and salt-free water softener/conditioner. Is it a good system? Well, what is it that you want to achieve?
How to test my crystal quest system
You could use a water test kit from ETR Labs or Tap Score.
Is the blueva r0100 safe?
Yes
Good job on exposing them. Their bs reply is very telling of what kind of company they are. I'll call it evil.
After such negative tests results, damaging sales of the product, I find it disparaging that you did not request another sample model, or review another model from Waterdrop. After watching your top 10, with glowing reports from another manufacturer (with links to purchase), it almost seem as though your reviews may be profit driven, (one persons opinion). Nonetheless, I believe for parity, since your review was so negative, it would have been fair to request another model to verify these results.
Did you watch the entire video? Someone completely independent from us (Derek from Modern Castle) found the exact same chemical with his unit. Also, Waterdrop has basically confirmed our findings in the meantime. We'll post an update on this next week. Btw, yes, this channel is run based on affiliate commissions which we are 100% open and honest about. But we are also participating in Waterdrop's affiliate program. In other words, not recommending the Waterdrop A1 was the worst possible move we could have made from a financial perspective.
It has been months. Any updates? Also you've rated multiple systems but you didn't mention in that video these findings or these test being ran on those under sink systems. Thank you so much for the money and time spent. We really need an update.
@@boswater6065 ok, understood, thanks.
I’ll probably be opting for an aquarium style Ro, and accept the fact of a small inconvenience. Ill adapt to my faucet, fill a few 1gal glass jugs, then disconnect, as I’ll only be using 1-2g a day. I guess this is too much high tech for a little convenience for the amount I will use. I worked for culligam years ago, so understand the basic ro concept. Thanks
@Mr.C-Mister Update will be coming this week hopefully. We ran the same tests on all our countertop and under sink RO systems. Most were without problems. You can check our Google sheets - they contain all the data you need.
Have you tested the Sans water purifier?
No, we never even heard of it. But I've checked it out and it's on our list!
The Sans water purifier is on our list, but I cannot promise if/when we'll test it - there are just so many products out there and we have to prioritize the most popular ones.
It's an internal list of all the products that we may test in future.
Added! Thank you!
I guarantee there are FDA violations in regards to the cleaning agents and the residuals in the drinking water.