Apparently, the profile for the cryocopter has it saying that the Allies "have publicly urged the Soviet war council to treat cryocopters as non-combatants". I'm fairly certain using this thing against others in-game could probably be considered a war-crime in and of itself.
Now I know why Krukov and Tatsu are always so on edge and angry when fighting the Allies. Cryocopters......😂😂 Krukov : Arghhhh what is this??!! WHY ARE MY MIGS WHEN I NEED THEM!? Tatsu : Bloody flying scumbags. STAY AWAY FROM MY BATTLESHIPS!
I know I'm being a bit too realistic here for a game like this, but if that cryo beam works anything like, say, liquid nitrogen then it is *very* war-crime-y. It would cause extreme levels of frostbite, water freezes and expands within your cells, causing large swathes of your tissue to die wherever you are exposed. Actually using a freeze beam on a living being sounds unnecessarily painful and cruel, which are aspects of banned weapons under the Geneva Convention (for example, poison gas is viewed in a similar light)
@@prussianblue9316 it was to prevent their technological advantage namely the development of the Chronosphere. This however failed miserably as they have created an even worse weapon of mas destruction. one little freezy boi.
the cryocopter is so OP is allows a SPUTNIK to kill a SHOGUN EXECUTIONER think about that for a moment. Really glad the soviets didn't have crycopters in the empire campaign
There are 2 more bugs/exploits with cryocopters that you missed (might have been patched though... not sure). If you double shrink an MCV, and then it unshrinks once, it has its crushing capabilities restored even though its still small. If you just keep refreshing the shrink, you get a small fast MCV that crushes other tanks. Best thing is that your opponent doesn't expect that and tries to crush it with his tanks, but they get crushed instead. Its very broken. The other one is freezing a tank buster ( I am not sure if you needed to freeze it as it does its burrow/ jump-out animation). There was a way to make it so the tank buster is frozen, but you can spam his special ability, so he starts burrowing and jumping out instantly on button press and also firing his gun every time you press F. He also deals insane dmg when you do this (deployed MCV dies in like 3 seconds)
7:10 You can also shrink it to make the bang pathetic(or slightly less ouch if Level 3/Supreme Time Bomb)... Done it before in Skirmishes... Or freeze the bomb, Chronosphere it, then RETURN TO FRICKIN' SENDER! or HotPotatoCATCH!...
@@no3ironman11100 they blow up really easy if disturbed when frozen so you dont want multple time bombs in your base. I didnt know about the chonosphering it though,....that would be a total game changer
Because there were some coding errors / inconsistency between the Shrink Beam weapon targeting & Shrink Effect modifier. Hence, shrink doesn't work on Iron Curtain in vanilla but works in Uprising.
*Cherdenko's rocket successfully launches.* "Mwahaha! Finally! Space is now glorious communist state commander!" "But how did you solve the icing problem?" "Icing problem?" *Crycopter flies up to the rocket and freezes it.* "Fuck."
All SputniKarens are talking about the Chrono virus but we all know that Cryona is the real problem. Wash your hands allies. Also : Allies in RA1: B1 battle droid Allies in RA2: B2 super droid Allies in RA3: B3 Jedi killing cortosis clad super battle droid.
No wonder why the Allies won the war. It wasn't the commander's talented efforts, its the FutureTech's invention of the Cryocopter that turned the tides in the Allies' favor.
@@qsfff5099 Nope, compared to crypcopters strikers do 33% more dps per cost vs vehicles, and twinblades do 25% more vs infantry. Basically cryos perform equally to twinblades and strikers in both their roles, but they cost 1/3 more and only get 50% more health in exchange. They also got the shrink way which isn't necessarily lethal. Cryo's attack also basically plays on a separate healthbar you don't see (that's the same size as a normal one), so if both cryo and something else are attacking an ennemy, say, 1 tank and 1 cryo, the tank's damage output is irrelevant and only the cryo's is. This is pretty painfull. Then there's the fact it's non-lethal, meaning if they fail to bring a unit over to kill it the unit gets a "full heal" on the field. The cryobeam really is a mid weapon, the shrink ray is what's compensating.
I came to this video because a youtube comment thread, on an 'RA2:YR' video, compared the Yuri eco imbalance to the Cryocopter in RA3. Thanks to that comment, and this subsequent video I am well informed on both what a Cryocopter is, and why people position of affection towards it is unjoyous. Thanks youtube comment section!
@@xyhc-cnc Well after searching my search history from about 2 weeks back, and realising that my computer stores search results based on the last time they were accessed, i.e. the record of this video was updated to today instead of 2 week ago when I made this comment, and 37 minutes of sifting through the comment section of possible comment threads (including expanding answers to comments as I knew the comment I referred to was an comment to a comment) I have the answer to your question. Video: ruclips.net/video/e1UV0sY412g/видео.html ("No, THIS is why everyone hates Yuri on Comm..." by Bryan Vahey) Comment thread by: "OneBiastedOpinion" Comment I refer to: "Mathew Perkins" Time well spent.
After year playing red alert 😂 this day i suddenly realize cyrocopter ability and function. They have important role in RA3. I wish in know early when i was 13 year old
@@xyhc-cnc i called it on discord, these mf are the opiest units in the game: amphibious, can make a structure convertible in an anti infantery unit with the capacity to deal anti armor damage. They can crush shogun executionner with the help of a merely copter, Sputniks are op !
The S.H.R.I.N.K abbreviation Had me dying of laughter🤣😂🤣 Thank you for your videos you are so Awesome. Idea of a video series you can play a normal 1V1 skirmish with each faction against the CPU in a regular way against the hardest difficulty.
I do it in a regular basis because the Tutorial itself literally tells you: hey! New commander? Do you know you can mix and match abilities? (Demonstrates in the tutorial video doing exactly just that to an entire soviet armored column) now you know? DO IT TO THEM!
It's a shame the other factions abilities dont marry so well as the allies (which are very powerful) If the soviet mag satellite was more worthwhile (deploy speed and movement etc) its combination with the satellite dump could be great (Which currently the scooped units dont add much to the impact) And it would be a great touch if the corrosive ability then applied to scooped units (that may be a thing tbh but have never seen it happen) 🤔 I don't think any of the empire abilities can impact eachother which is a shame.
I'm fine with Allies having an OP unit as long as the other factions get OP units as well! Give Kirovs +200% hp so I can finally start using them more often lol
Do people actually play it? Like really, it's Alpha Aurora-like unit, but is available even earlier. If someone would destroy my whole base with two aerial units 3000 for both and one special power, I would just remove that game honestly lol
XYHC spoil alert: they are insanely good vs everything too, maybe except the almighty harbinger gunship. Allies in Uprising is even more OP. Literally unbeatable.
I may not play RTS games competitively, as I usually enjoy playing vs ai with people, but if a unit is so op that an AI can piss me off with it without any micro, then we have a problem. Cryo copters may just be the most broken unit in rts games ever, and I have some reasons. 1. Freezing enemy units to prevent movement is ok, but the fact that most things oneshot frozen targets is unacceptable. 2. Shrink ray is great at preventing enemy attacks or doing some stupid plays with micro units. The fact that just a couple of these things can lockdown an entire ground army with minimal micro is really OP, and would've even made other factions op if given to them.
@@goldman1115 Honestly, Now that I have better context, cryocopters arent the whole problem. In fact, allies in general are not the most op faction in rts games. The problem is that freezing stuff is unfun to play against. It literally denies you of fun, and then instakills any unit that fully freezes. This has happened a lot in rts games where factions are mechanically hated and get a serious bad rep, especially ones with mechanics that aren't fun to fight against or factions with strengths so good that their weaknesses dont matter
@@goldman1115 the reason freeze is unfun is because it is a movement impairing effect in an rts, a genre about micro management. Even without the instakill at full freeze thing it would still be annoying, and the full freeze is just stab wound to injury. Plus, Cryocopters can stop even anti air before they can kill you if you are skilled enough due to their bulk and ability to slow and shrink. Plus, lets not forget that Allies have more cryotech (Cryoggeddon why do you exist). Again, I dont watch competetive games so maybe its less of a problem than I think but from a beginners perspective its not good design.
The irony of the Cryocopter being OP is simple: the Cryocopter is a dedicated support unit, meaning it cannot destroy other units by itself. Regardless of using the cryo or shrink beam, it always needs another unit to clean up the mess (shatter the now-frozen or crush the shrunken unit). It also means Cryocopters cannot gain veterancy via conventional means, cause the unit itself has to fight and actually destroy units by itself to be promoted.
And Allied players ASKS FOR BUFF??? This is probably the most OP unit of all strategy games to date, way pass “supposedly op” prism tanks. High skill cap for sure, but nearly 1000 HP after upgrades? 1/3 of a slow Kirov and move quickly....Oh, don’t forget about that even more op harbinger gunship, albeit vulnerable to spies (tier 3 units). Yet still people think allies are weak? What do they want? Freeze beam can kill units on their own? One cryocopter to shut down an entire build? Insta freeze of any unit of any size? What else? If tournaments can ban units, I’d choose cryocopters.
I did once freeze the time bomb with cryo, i name it as the delay 1 sec death. I use to combo transport the final second melt 1sec time bomb with chronosphere to enemy base, it's tricky but fun to try. Just need good timing on freezing, and chrono swap the unfreeze bomb.
Me realizing how stinky it is for cryo legionnares in turrets to freeze air and spray uncivilized freeze bois everywhere but Cryocopter: not as strong as me mate
Just FIX THE DAMN CRYO !!! So many amazing competitive games went pretty boring because of this BS unit.. How can their special ability be 10/7.5 seconds????? Even at 60 seconds it'll still be good ,but will also give the opponent room to breathe,not just insta units-dismissal that is equal to the number of cryo copters you have ALSO THE 3 MIN END OF GAME STRAT IS JUST BS,100% NOT FAIR FOR ANYONE PLAYING THE GAME! Mostly if you're empire, 2800 credit 2 units just wrecking your whole base Pls ,someone,somewhere,fix cryos or even delete them,allies have enough broken power without them anyway
Haha yea Cryo needs major reworks. They already nerfed Cryo A LOT through the official patches but it just wasn't enough (The Cryo right now has less health, less freeze range, and half the freeze power it used to have!) I don't think anybody has the guts to rework Cryo too much, but this level of brokenness calls for radical measures! (Allied players would be very very mad tho)
@@xyhc-cnc I recall that from your video(still mindblown) but those nerfs were barely anything. The amount of nerfs soviets and empire.got.in comparison is laughable.... I find the biggest problem to be with their low CD on their special ability,quick access and obv their health.... ANY AA UNIT LIKE CHopper Bullfrog and seawing(multigunner ifv No!) Should be able to 1v1 them....
When I was a child, I really disliked using the Cryocopter because of the fact it couldn't kill units on its down, and the SHRINK beam didn't really seem appealing to me back then, because I played too much USA with their comanches As of today, holy hell this unit is busted. Freezing is always faster than damaging + frozen units instantly die to almost anything = easy kill. SHRINK beam being an absolutely beast of an ability just makes it so powerful. Oh yeah, them being extra durable is jus the nail in the coffin for the enemies of the Allies.
Actually the real acronym for the Cryocopter's S.H.R.I.N.K Beam is "S-trong H-omogenous R-esidual I-nteractive N-eutron K-inetic" Beam. That said, while the Allies are my favorite faction to play, they are, ironically, the faction I hate going up against. And if the Cryocopters trolling with your forces are not enough of a good reason to get salty I dunno what is.
Yeah, we know... But the point is to show off how OP the Cryocopter is, and the SHRINK Beam is one obvious reason... God, still have nightmares of Rising Sun mission 4... SHRINK beams everywhere...
Hey, I see that in each of your video, you usually relate things to the tournament. I wonder what is that? And what cosidered banned in the tournament?
Would it make sense to make the cryocopter require the Defence Bureau as well as Heightened Clearance? Not only this would make allies have to spend more time and money to unlock the cryocopter, they would also have to make more power too as the bureau takes 75 if I'm not mistaken. I think this makes sense since the copters are such "technological" units, and this would eliminate the rush factor, as factions would be better prepared by the time the copters are unlocked rather than be defeated in 2 minutes because they didn't have the hindsight to make air defence first thing
Don't ask. We already did that... IT'S FUCKING GLORIOUS, specially with the VX. Kill a frozen enemy? VX. Enemy aircraft harassing your Cryocopters? VX. Lots of High fives are shared when that happens. Even Tvtropes refers Allies as a support faction, say whatever you want but if you're a soviet or an empire and got a decent Allied team mate. That Allied team mate will ensure whatever plans you have will go through. They might not take the glory, but what do allies do if you're in a team with them? The make sure your slow Apocs will get in their destination on time. They make sure that your expansion/nanocores gets to that furthest expansion before the enemy does. They make sure the enemy is stuck in the place where you want them to be so you can safely spam V1s. Their Assault destroyers make sure your fragile ground units don't die easily. They ensure that not only you have intel from their spies, but free units as well They make sure that the enemy base is always low on power or disabled thanks to spies, cryos, aircraft carriers, and hydrofoils And if you're an empire player, they improve your superweapons. Nanoswarm + Proton collider = holy shit, that base will be absolutely gone along with any poor unit stuck in the blast radius
@@xyhc-cnc wow yeah u actually made a note on how to do that, tnx :) i completely forgot lol i already knew this technic but i found it too slow and sometimes i miss press on number keys, so still looking for an alternative ;)
basically decrease everything on its statd by 99.9 percent and lower its money cost by 666 due to how angry i am and then next week im changing its stats by decreasing everything% of its original power by decreasing 50 of its power and im changing its shrink ray into a death ray that has a cooldown of 10 seconds and its damage is 1 but freezing enemies and one shotting them is still ok oh wait im deleting this unit and change it to other attack helicopter instead
Can cryocopter freeze hydrofoil, bullfrog or VX before it kills? I mean, what's the point of ground AA unit if it even can't kill air with 1vs1 fight? I'm pretty sure chopper VX or twinblade can't defeat any ground AA in 1vs1 combat.
I changed my job and I got 10 times. Pre busy. I work 6 days a week and I havent even make a changelist. 😂 I make Allied Air base require barracks and power plant to build Airbase tho. And Cryo required Max Clearance and Bureau, nerf shrink ray cooldown, nerf price, nerf freeze speed, neef freeze range. Ah feels good. .
Yeah, Shockwave mod fixed that by giving point defense lasers to laser general instead of air force and making the 6 missile payload an upgrade. They're still strong but beatable.
bomb split micro. Press "S" at the instance of bomb drop to stop vindie from dumping all bombs on one target. There's a 0.2 second reaction time for you but with practice, bomb split can be pulled off consistently.
It’s a micro skill players can use, don’t play personally but I think they move it close, order attack then cancel quickly to make it drop one bomb at a time to do what we see in the video or conserve bombs when it would be overkill.
@@Gab-im7bo don’t think so, part because of how it’s attack works, century is an inaccurate carpet bomb, vindicator locks on to targets with its bomb. Other part is the lack of mobility for it to be useful.
If they’re so hilariously broken alongside the Cryo Beam power, why aren’t they banned from tournaments? Not trying to be snooty, genuinely curious. They’re clearly absurd and ruin game balance by giving the Allies an obscene amount of power that’s even greater than the advantage already have.
They are far too integral to Allied strategies. They definitely serve an important role in the arsenal. They just need to be nerfed more. Banning 'em would turn the meta upside down entirely (like, Apocalypse would actually become viable)
@@xyhc-cnc I think it’d be worth trying out to see what would happen. Apocalypses being viable would be sick as hell. Also, how would these nerfs happen? As far as I know EA is no longer updating the game.
@@ThatOneMan830 only community support can save it. Or if there’s a very tiny chance that EA will consider remastering RA3 somehow, and they nerf cryocopter to the ground. Allied players will definitely be super unhappy to see the cryocopter go but that’s for the game. For me to start nerfing it, I would cut HP in half, put it behind max clearance and bureau. Then, freezing only double the amount of damage takes from all sources instead of Insta kill. As for shrink beam, the cast range will be 2, meaning cryocopter will always be exposed to aa fire when trying to shrink a unit.
@@estellebright2579 Yeah, I've been chewing on this recently for some reason. I still think banning or hard-nerfing them in a community patch would be incredibly interesting, entirely because it'd flip the table on how things currently are. A lot of units would be completely changed in viability, more strategies would open up, new rollouts could be tried, etc., etc. I have a genuine overall hatred of things in games that have no counter-play whatsoever, and the Cryocopter and Cryo Beam are pretty blatant examples of this in effect.
Cryocopter swarm is prety effective strategy against the Empire, but when you oponent pulls out 10 Flak troopers and 4 bulldogs you just lost a lot of resources ...
If you couldn't just micro down those AA that is. Easy shrink on the bullfrogs and it literally takes 2 Vindicators to kill most of those flaks in one bombing run.
Lemme fight you on stream today, with Cryocopters Also you do watch Sybert right? Can we both agree Dimon's the finest player out there who definitely knows his micro? ruclips.net/video/bvnUiZhJbW0/видео.html
I saw the match that XYHC linked in reply before. It is pretty disappointing and cyro-sided. There is no hard counter, especially Empire only option is Defender or Tengu in Tier 1. Even if you manage to upgrade to Tier 2, shrink beam MCV pressure is there, heck even easy Navy Yard Destroyer. If you try to put resources into harassing enemy refs, you don't have resources to counter MCV turret push. Also, VX cannot kill Cyro fast enough and often being wrecked by Cyro instead. (Which is why Archer Maiden is given in Rising Sun, however just even more OP endgame units there)
If the freeze was a damage boost instead of instakill and their ability cooldown was 15 seconds... I'd see more interesting casts from Sybert. If only.
I completely agree, I hate that snap freezing is a mechanic, the slowdown and damage buff is enough alone. If snap freeze was a guarantee I'd at least dramatically increase the time to get it and remove veterancy gain from it
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Apparently, the profile for the cryocopter has it saying that the Allies "have publicly urged the Soviet war council to treat cryocopters as non-combatants".
I'm fairly certain using this thing against others in-game could probably be considered a war-crime in and of itself.
Now I know why Krukov and Tatsu are always so on edge and angry when fighting the Allies. Cryocopters......😂😂
Krukov : Arghhhh what is this??!! WHY ARE MY MIGS WHEN I NEED THEM!?
Tatsu : Bloody flying scumbags. STAY AWAY FROM MY BATTLESHIPS!
I know I'm being a bit too realistic here for a game like this, but if that cryo beam works anything like, say, liquid nitrogen then it is *very* war-crime-y. It would cause extreme levels of frostbite, water freezes and expands within your cells, causing large swathes of your tissue to die wherever you are exposed. Actually using a freeze beam on a living being sounds unnecessarily painful and cruel, which are aspects of banned weapons under the Geneva Convention (for example, poison gas is viewed in a similar light)
Primier Cherdenko and General Krukov isn't the villain but cryocopter all along
It's weird how they killed Einstein to stop nuclear weapons of Allies, and they just invent something even worse lmao
@@prussianblue9316 it was to prevent their technological advantage namely the development of the Chronosphere. This however failed miserably as they have created an even worse weapon of mas destruction. one little freezy boi.
@@mwperk02 and the chronosphere is still around to teleport tanya right next to your super reactor and destroy half your base in 3 seconds
@@prussianblue9316 of course. We can still chronoshift tanya on top of the Kremlin to apprehend premier -romanov- Cherdinko.
@@mwperk02 In the end, even the space wasn't safe from capitalism
the cryocopter is so OP is allows a SPUTNIK to kill a SHOGUN EXECUTIONER
think about that for a moment. Really glad the soviets didn't have crycopters in the empire campaign
There are 2 more bugs/exploits with cryocopters that you missed (might have been patched though... not sure). If you double shrink an MCV, and then it unshrinks once, it has its crushing capabilities restored even though its still small. If you just keep refreshing the shrink, you get a small fast MCV that crushes other tanks. Best thing is that your opponent doesn't expect that and tries to crush it with his tanks, but they get crushed instead. Its very broken.
The other one is freezing a tank buster ( I am not sure if you needed to freeze it as it does its burrow/ jump-out animation). There was a way to make it so the tank buster is frozen, but you can spam his special ability, so he starts burrowing and jumping out instantly on button press and also firing his gun every time you press F. He also deals insane dmg when you do this (deployed MCV dies in like 3 seconds)
This is hilarious lol
wtf? cryocopter freezes bullfrog before it can kill it? I'm going home
WAYYYY before it can kill the Cryo. Would not even lose half HP if it shrunk the Bullfrog first.
@@xyhc-cnc this game needs a competitive patch for real
@@enigma8301 Agreed, too OP DAMN EA
@@enigma8301 pro players in CnC 3 TW balance the game everytime. I think u cant edit the CnC RA 3 files. =/
@@andre_clearsky mods exist for ra3.
Coolest unit in the game, pretty much allies ace card.
Yeah they're COOL
@@xyhc-cnc lol
No it is allies middle finger to the enemy coffin .
7:10 You can also shrink it to make the bang pathetic(or slightly less ouch if Level 3/Supreme Time Bomb)... Done it before in Skirmishes...
Or freeze the bomb, Chronosphere it, then RETURN TO FRICKIN' SENDER! or HotPotatoCATCH!...
That would be in chronosphere trick
Have a cryocopter around freeze all the bombs continuously. Eventually chronosphere em if they're close enough.
You can also do it yourself. Deploy your own time bomb, freeze it, then send it to the enemy.
Your move now ahole. Either way you're fked.
@@no3ironman11100 they blow up really easy if disturbed when frozen so you dont want multple time bombs in your base. I didnt know about the chonosphering it though,....that would be a total game changer
@@Quadrolithium sweet instant time bomb with surgical miss
It's interesting because when I tested the S.H.R.I.N.K Beam on my own 'iron curtained' units in uprising, I found it still worked.
Because there were some coding errors / inconsistency between the Shrink Beam weapon targeting & Shrink Effect modifier. Hence, shrink doesn't work on Iron Curtain in vanilla but works in Uprising.
Every ground unit in game: I fear no man but that thing
*Sees cryocopter*
IT SCARES ME
Migs, Jet Tengus and Apollos:
I dont have suck weaknesess
@@sufferfr0mlag506 S U C K
Meanwhile in Rejuvenation: Mig, Appolo, Jet Tengu with Vector Cutter, Rocketeer Multigunner APEV with Cryo/Chronolegionaire/Zone Commando, Harbinger, Chione, Kirov Bastion, Dreadnought with CIWS drones, Pronoya, Shogun with Nano Cloud, Shokaku, Mogami, Amphitrite, Ironclad, Apocalypse, Future Tank, King and Queen Oni, Mastermind Hive and Giga Fortress: laugh their asses off!
*Cherdenko's rocket successfully launches.*
"Mwahaha! Finally! Space is now glorious communist state commander!"
"But how did you solve the icing problem?"
"Icing problem?"
*Crycopter flies up to the rocket and freezes it.*
"Fuck."
Might want to look into that.
Well to be fair, that freeze beam looks quite _crystal_ clean but still :
: *Tod dem Kopter* !
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All SputniKarens are talking about the Chrono virus but we all know that Cryona is the real problem.
Wash your hands allies.
Also :
Allies in RA1: B1 battle droid
Allies in RA2: B2 super droid
Allies in RA3: B3 Jedi killing cortosis clad super battle droid.
Ah yes, Trollcopter. Even the tutorial knows it's absolute trolling potential.
No wonder why the Allies won the war. It wasn't the commander's talented efforts, its the FutureTech's invention of the Cryocopter that turned the tides in the Allies' favor.
TBH, I can live with the silliness of the abilities, but I just don't understand why its so damn tanky. It feels like an Allied Kirov sometimes.
to be fair compared to twinblade PER COST it's the same level fo health. It's just shoved into a single bigger unit.
@@no3ironman11100 but its much stronger than twinblades
@@qsfff5099 Nope, compared to crypcopters strikers do 33% more dps per cost vs vehicles, and twinblades do 25% more vs infantry.
Basically cryos perform equally to twinblades and strikers in both their roles, but they cost 1/3 more and only get 50% more health in exchange. They also got the shrink way which isn't necessarily lethal.
Cryo's attack also basically plays on a separate healthbar you don't see (that's the same size as a normal one), so if both cryo and something else are attacking an ennemy, say, 1 tank and 1 cryo, the tank's damage output is irrelevant and only the cryo's is. This is pretty painfull.
Then there's the fact it's non-lethal, meaning if they fail to bring a unit over to kill it the unit gets a "full heal" on the field.
The cryobeam really is a mid weapon, the shrink ray is what's compensating.
Thx as a Allied main. I'll have to use these more often
Remember to wash your hands afterwards
In fact wash your hands during the use of such abomination.
Wash it with soap,a sponge,dishwashing soap,and laundry soap.Just in case
We've created a monster.
The most weirdest weapon in a Cold War gone hot scenario
A Literal Cold war
The absolute irony that the nation that won it's victories in ice. Is absolutely vulnerable to one that literally embodies it.
Gah! I feel filthy for just watching this video.
I came to this video because a youtube comment thread, on an 'RA2:YR' video, compared the Yuri eco imbalance to the Cryocopter in RA3. Thanks to that comment, and this subsequent video I am well informed on both what a Cryocopter is, and why people position of affection towards it is unjoyous. Thanks youtube comment section!
Interesting. Could you give me a link to it?
@@xyhc-cnc Well after searching my search history from about 2 weeks back, and realising that my computer stores search results based on the last time they were accessed, i.e. the record of this video was updated to today instead of 2 week ago when I made this comment, and 37 minutes of sifting through the comment section of possible comment threads (including expanding answers to comments as I knew the comment I referred to was an comment to a comment) I have the answer to your question.
Video: ruclips.net/video/e1UV0sY412g/видео.html ("No, THIS is why everyone hates Yuri on Comm..." by Bryan Vahey)
Comment thread by: "OneBiastedOpinion"
Comment I refer to: "Mathew Perkins"
Time well spent.
@@eth5632 Thanks!
After year playing red alert 😂 this day i suddenly realize cyrocopter ability and function.
They have important role in RA3.
I wish in know early when i was 13 year old
They are technically a support aircraft as they only have cc. The problem now is the CC is busted AF, both freeze and shrink
You are criminally underrated mate.
Red alert 2 allies: haha we're so OP, prism tank go bzzzt
Red alert 3 allies: soisoisoisoi
I like your cartoony style :D
Thanks!
Lmao, the crush at the end XD
Cryocopters so OP they let you kill 3 Shogun Executioners with one SPUTNIK
@@xyhc-cnc i called it on discord, these mf are the opiest units in the game: amphibious, can make a structure convertible in an anti infantery unit with the capacity to deal anti armor damage. They can crush shogun executionner with the help of a merely copter, Sputniks are op !
@@Sir_Djack Golden!
@@xyhc-cnc thanks, but I even forgot about the additional building range and its pretty curves !
Speaking of unit guides I would love to see you use the Shinobi in action or a guide about it, you said they are underrated.
Haha freeze ray go brrr
And other players go quit or ban
The S.H.R.I.N.K abbreviation Had me dying of laughter🤣😂🤣
Thank you for your videos you are so Awesome.
Idea of a video series you can play a normal 1V1 skirmish with each faction against the CPU in a regular way against the hardest difficulty.
Considering how most of the Soviets are from Cold Russia, it's weird how their units don't have slight resistance to freeze rays
You should try this combo: Freze Allied time-bomb and chronosphere-it to enemy base... satisfaction guaranteed
That was just plain EVIL. Imagine you stock up those time bomb and Chronosphere 5 of them when the time come.....SHIT!!!
I do it in a regular basis because the Tutorial itself literally tells you: hey! New commander? Do you know you can mix and match abilities? (Demonstrates in the tutorial video doing exactly just that to an entire soviet armored column) now you know? DO IT TO THEM!
It's a shame the other factions abilities dont marry so well as the allies (which are very powerful)
If the soviet mag satellite was more worthwhile (deploy speed and movement etc) its combination with the satellite dump could be great (Which currently the scooped units dont add much to the impact)
And it would be a great touch if the corrosive ability then applied to scooped units (that may be a thing tbh but have never seen it happen) 🤔
I don't think any of the empire abilities can impact eachother which is a shame.
I'm fine with Allies having an OP unit as long as the other factions get OP units as well!
Give Kirovs +200% hp so I can finally start using them more often lol
Add the red alert 2 announcement too because you have tanky airship that can't be downed by a spy.
Kirovs in RA3 alreasy had that....
It's just AA in RA3 are just powerful like the new IFV dealing almost the same damage as an Aegis Cruiser.
kirovs have double the health of apocalypse tanks brother.
uh, remember RA 3 uprising mission 2 Kirovs? Cryo still wins
My blood is boiling just from watching this video
Cryos should make your blood run cold
Do people actually play it? Like really, it's Alpha Aurora-like unit, but is available even earlier.
If someone would destroy my whole base with two aerial units 3000 for both and one special power, I would just remove that game honestly lol
if you ignore allies opness the game is very fun, even if you are playing 1v1 skirmishes
7:04 I never thought about that. I normally just send it to the other player using Chronosphere and make No u memes. (Chro-no u)
Great vid bro
5 cytocopter and 1 harbinger gunship = instant base destruction
Players: Cryocopters are too OP! We need balancing!
EA snorting a line of radioactive coke when making Uprising: Nah, Cryo Legionnaire IFVs
What a shame it cant target air units too.
I want to test Cryo Legionnaires now lol. Wonder how good they are in IFV’s
XYHC spoil alert: they are insanely good vs everything too, maybe except the almighty harbinger gunship. Allies in Uprising is even more OP. Literally unbeatable.
So let an already OP unit to also COUNTER air army..... sounds like a good idea.....
@@estellebright2579 Yuri's drone detected.
Yeah this is why I use a flak hammer when I'm playing as the soviets. Some AA is better than nothing and bullfrogs tends to outrun my hammer tanks
i use them often, usally about 40 a game.
when ever i see a cryobastard flying in my base i immediately send my tangus after it, yes that's how angry i am
Also , i get it about frozen biological stuffs like flesh make break easily , but a frozen armored target like a tank ? How that can be 1 shot irl ?
Probably same goes to Frozen Biological stuff. The plane slips and shatters.
Sudden application of heat and/or force to an object frozen may have affected the mkolecular bonds?
I may not play RTS games competitively, as I usually enjoy playing vs ai with people, but if a unit is so op that an AI can piss me off with it without any micro, then we have a problem. Cryo copters may just be the most broken unit in rts games ever, and I have some reasons. 1. Freezing enemy units to prevent movement is ok, but the fact that most things oneshot frozen targets is unacceptable. 2. Shrink ray is great at preventing enemy attacks or doing some stupid plays with micro units. The fact that just a couple of these things can lockdown an entire ground army with minimal micro is really OP, and would've even made other factions op if given to them.
@@goldman1115 Honestly, Now that I have better context, cryocopters arent the whole problem. In fact, allies in general are not the most op faction in rts games. The problem is that freezing stuff is unfun to play against. It literally denies you of fun, and then instakills any unit that fully freezes. This has happened a lot in rts games where factions are mechanically hated and get a serious bad rep, especially ones with mechanics that aren't fun to fight against or factions with strengths so good that their weaknesses dont matter
@@goldman1115 the reason freeze is unfun is because it is a movement impairing effect in an rts, a genre about micro management. Even without the instakill at full freeze thing it would still be annoying, and the full freeze is just stab wound to injury. Plus, Cryocopters can stop even anti air before they can kill you if you are skilled enough due to their bulk and ability to slow and shrink. Plus, lets not forget that Allies have more cryotech (Cryoggeddon why do you exist). Again, I dont watch competetive games so maybe its less of a problem than I think but from a beginners perspective its not good design.
The irony of the Cryocopter being OP is simple: the Cryocopter is a dedicated support unit, meaning it cannot destroy other units by itself. Regardless of using the cryo or shrink beam, it always needs another unit to clean up the mess (shatter the now-frozen or crush the shrunken unit). It also means Cryocopters cannot gain veterancy via conventional means, cause the unit itself has to fight and actually destroy units by itself to be promoted.
And Allied players ASKS FOR BUFF??? This is probably the most OP unit of all strategy games to date, way pass “supposedly op” prism tanks. High skill cap for sure, but nearly 1000 HP after upgrades? 1/3 of a slow Kirov and move quickly....Oh, don’t forget about that even more op harbinger gunship, albeit vulnerable to spies (tier 3 units).
Yet still people think allies are weak? What do they want? Freeze beam can kill units on their own? One cryocopter to shut down an entire build? Insta freeze of any unit of any size? What else?
If tournaments can ban units, I’d choose cryocopters.
Good points :) (Kirovs actually have 6000 HP tho)
XYHC ahh my memory failed me :(
XD
harbinger gunship is cancer
I did once freeze the time bomb with cryo, i name it as the delay 1 sec death. I use to combo transport the final second melt 1sec time bomb with chronosphere to enemy base, it's tricky but fun to try. Just need good timing on freezing, and chrono swap the unfreeze bomb.
Me realizing how stinky it is for cryo legionnares in turrets to freeze air and spray uncivilized freeze bois everywhere but
Cryocopter: not as strong as me mate
Just FIX THE DAMN CRYO !!! So many amazing competitive games went pretty boring because of this BS unit..
How can their special ability be 10/7.5 seconds????? Even at 60 seconds it'll still be good ,but will also give the opponent room to breathe,not just insta units-dismissal that is equal to the number of cryo copters you have
ALSO THE 3 MIN END OF GAME STRAT IS JUST BS,100% NOT FAIR FOR ANYONE PLAYING THE GAME! Mostly if you're empire, 2800 credit 2 units just wrecking your whole base
Pls ,someone,somewhere,fix cryos or even delete them,allies have enough broken power without them anyway
Haha yea Cryo needs major reworks. They already nerfed Cryo A LOT through the official patches but it just wasn't enough (The Cryo right now has less health, less freeze range, and half the freeze power it used to have!) I don't think anybody has the guts to rework Cryo too much, but this level of brokenness calls for radical measures! (Allied players would be very very mad tho)
@@xyhc-cnc I recall that from your video(still mindblown) but those nerfs were barely anything. The amount of nerfs soviets and empire.got.in comparison is laughable.... I find the biggest problem to be with their low CD on their special ability,quick access and obv their health.... ANY AA UNIT LIKE CHopper Bullfrog and seawing(multigunner ifv No!) Should be able to 1v1 them....
@@rektbiich4585 yep, their bulk & special are so broken!
The Cryo even tries to wreck it's predator, (Anti Air Aircraft and Bullfrogs)
@@xyhc-cnc balance must be achieved. Let them Allies cry, while our tanks/robots will be able to finally put up a fight to them
When I was a child, I really disliked using the Cryocopter because of the fact it couldn't kill units on its down, and the SHRINK beam didn't really seem appealing to me back then, because I played too much USA with their comanches
As of today, holy hell this unit is busted. Freezing is always faster than damaging + frozen units instantly die to almost anything = easy kill.
SHRINK beam being an absolutely beast of an ability just makes it so powerful. Oh yeah, them being extra durable is jus the nail in the coffin for the enemies of the Allies.
Liked for the Karen Beam.
Last time:sputnik is bad
Now:sputnik too OP nerf it pls
Actually the real acronym for the Cryocopter's S.H.R.I.N.K Beam is "S-trong H-omogenous R-esidual I-nteractive N-eutron K-inetic" Beam.
That said, while the Allies are my favorite faction to play, they are, ironically, the faction I hate going up against. And if the Cryocopters trolling with your forces are not enough of a good reason to get salty I dunno what is.
Yeah, we know...
But the point is to show off how OP the Cryocopter is, and the SHRINK Beam is one obvious reason...
God, still have nightmares of Rising Sun mission 4... SHRINK beams everywhere...
Finally !
Hey, I see that in each of your video, you usually relate things to the tournament. I wonder what is that? And what cosidered banned in the tournament?
Watching lets players do runs of the campaign and ignoring them cause they dont have weapons almost HURTS.
the only downside to cryocoptors is the amount of micro you need to do to use them. Probably puts off the casuals.
*Rising Sun Mission 4 PTSD intensifies*
Holy fuck, they're fucking everywhere- GODDAMMIT, STOP SHRINKING MY CRUISERS AND BATTLESHIPS ALREADY! 😠
Would it make sense to make the cryocopter require the Defence Bureau as well as Heightened Clearance? Not only this would make allies have to spend more time and money to unlock the cryocopter, they would also have to make more power too as the bureau takes 75 if I'm not mistaken. I think this makes sense since the copters are such "technological" units, and this would eliminate the rush factor, as factions would be better prepared by the time the copters are unlocked rather than be defeated in 2 minutes because they didn't have the hindsight to make air defence first thing
5:15 When EA fail to fix it so the Tournament have to come around it.
Cryocopters are effectively the "One Man Army + Noobtube" of C&C
3:33 ''size does matter'' Cryocopter 2020
Just stay cool guys. You gotta chill out. Don't show the allies your cold shoulder.
The unit which made allies a strongest faction of the game.
How about CCopter + TBlade or VX?
OUCH.
Don't ask. We already did that... IT'S FUCKING GLORIOUS, specially with the VX. Kill a frozen enemy? VX. Enemy aircraft harassing your Cryocopters? VX. Lots of High fives are shared when that happens.
Even Tvtropes refers Allies as a support faction, say whatever you want but if you're a soviet or an empire and got a decent Allied team mate. That Allied team mate will ensure whatever plans you have will go through. They might not take the glory, but what do allies do if you're in a team with them?
The make sure your slow Apocs will get in their destination on time.
They make sure that your expansion/nanocores gets to that furthest expansion before the enemy does.
They make sure the enemy is stuck in the place where you want them to be so you can safely spam V1s.
Their Assault destroyers make sure your fragile ground units don't die easily.
They ensure that not only you have intel from their spies, but free units as well
They make sure that the enemy base is always low on power or disabled thanks to spies, cryos, aircraft carriers, and hydrofoils
And if you're an empire player, they improve your superweapons. Nanoswarm + Proton collider = holy shit, that base will be absolutely gone along with any poor unit stuck in the blast radius
It is treason then
The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered, chilly.
So tesla isn’t source of “unlimited power!” After all!
I just wanted to know how to effectively and quickly perform shrink beam on mutiple targets in a blink of an eye :)
3:46
@@xyhc-cnc wow yeah u actually made a note on how to do that, tnx :) i completely forgot lol i already knew this technic but i found it too slow and sometimes i miss press on number keys, so still looking for an alternative ;)
How would you balanced the Cryocopter?
basically decrease everything on its statd by 99.9 percent and lower its money cost by 666 due to how angry i am and then next week im changing its stats by decreasing everything% of its original power by decreasing 50 of its power and im changing its shrink ray into a death ray that has a cooldown of 10 seconds and its damage is 1 but freezing enemies and one shotting them is still ok
oh wait im deleting this unit and change it to other attack helicopter instead
That ending LMAO!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
9:01 This reminds me of Borderlands 2 memes.
*BUFF MONEY SHOT*
*NERF KUNAI*
The joke is that both CRYocOPter and Money shot are op.
Cryo is the game killer.
If EA gave the developers more time before release, they would've realized the Cryocopter's nightmarish potential and nerf it further.
Mini-conscript lmao this is what I live for 🤣
Can cryocopter freeze hydrofoil, bullfrog or VX before it kills? I mean, what's the point of ground AA unit if it even can't kill air with 1vs1 fight? I'm pretty sure chopper VX or twinblade can't defeat any ground AA in 1vs1 combat.
ruclips.net/video/Z0I1tsshfGs/видео.html
Is the featured video from Dimon (Soviet) vs Liktor (Allied)?
yes
Tag this to the EA dev team on Twitter 😂
Lol only the community patchers can save us!
I changed my job and I got 10 times. Pre busy. I work 6 days a week and I havent even make a changelist. 😂
I make Allied Air base require barracks and power plant to build Airbase tho.
And Cryo required Max Clearance and Bureau, nerf shrink ray cooldown, nerf price, nerf freeze speed, neef freeze range. Ah feels good. .
@@tuck295q do u have a site or something with changelogs yet?
As that one guy who just plays skirmishes vs brutal ai all the time, I have no idea why this would be considered op :T
As that one guy who plays almost every RTS game , this is downright broken , making competitive play a joke .
eh，about ally's high tech upgrade,did it effect other faction?
no
I should use cryocopters more
Do not give in to the temptations
4:20 where are the TENGUS?
They might have run into one Apollo on their way to the rescue
BTW Sputnik is so cute.
Not most OP unit in all of C&C but definitely top 3. King Raptor in Generals ZH takes that title.
Yeah, Shockwave mod fixed that by giving point defense lasers to laser general instead of air force and making the 6 missile payload an upgrade. They're still strong but beatable.
Idk if u still answering but how can i activate shrink mode on crycopter? It’s just freezing enemies. Btw I’m new to this game
Press F for special ability. Left click on target when the cursor looks like a pin point selection.
Ever thought of ranking Soviet, or empire, or allied protocols?
I've done it 6 months ago. Never made a video about it. Guess I'll do that soon
#1 Cryogeddon
#2 idk nothing else matters beyond that.
8:50 where is conscript's mini conscript
How did tht vindicator only drop one bomb at the time?
bomb split micro. Press "S" at the instance of bomb drop to stop vindie from dumping all bombs on one target. There's a 0.2 second reaction time for you but with practice, bomb split can be pulled off consistently.
It’s a micro skill players can use, don’t play personally but I think they move it close, order attack then cancel quickly to make it drop one bomb at a time to do what we see in the video or conserve bombs when it would be overkill.
Just a bit practice so you can split bomb perfectly. Now you can bomb 3 infantries in 1 bombing run without wasting any bomb
@@quox3987 can century bomber do that to?
@@Gab-im7bo don’t think so, part because of how it’s attack works, century is an inaccurate carpet bomb, vindicator locks on to targets with its bomb. Other part is the lack of mobility for it to be useful.
Migs?
Apollos?
What if copter also required max clearance, or at least lab?.. And exploded if lab is infiltrated. Or lost. Or powered down. Muahaha!
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But that would help only the Empire coz Soviets have no infiltration units for some reason
But even these aren't as OP as TW nod Venoms
criocopters 🗿
wait, i play for allied😈😈😈⚠⚠⚠⚠
Guide not as long as Terror drone guide hm...
*TERROR DRONES TOO OP NERF SOVIETS PLS*
I love seeing those on ally teams. Terror Drones + Spy = your army is gone (or mine now)
This video is a bit biased considering no player will just let the cryocopter go uncontested like shown in the video lol.
Hey Stryderr! Haven't seen you in forever. Fight me on stream pls :)
@@xyhc-cnc I'll be on this weekend
cry about it, im still gonna use cryocopter
Вертолет "Буран"
Honestly tho this shit needs a nerf
If they’re so hilariously broken alongside the Cryo Beam power, why aren’t they banned from tournaments? Not trying to be snooty, genuinely curious. They’re clearly absurd and ruin game balance by giving the Allies an obscene amount of power that’s even greater than the advantage already have.
They are far too integral to Allied strategies. They definitely serve an important role in the arsenal. They just need to be nerfed more. Banning 'em would turn the meta upside down entirely (like, Apocalypse would actually become viable)
@@xyhc-cnc
I think it’d be worth trying out to see what would happen. Apocalypses being viable would be sick as hell.
Also, how would these nerfs happen? As far as I know EA is no longer updating the game.
@@ThatOneMan830 only community support can save it. Or if there’s a very tiny chance that EA will consider remastering RA3 somehow, and they nerf cryocopter to the ground. Allied players will definitely be super unhappy to see the cryocopter go but that’s for the game.
For me to start nerfing it, I would cut HP in half, put it behind max clearance and bureau. Then, freezing only double the amount of damage takes from all sources instead of Insta kill. As for shrink beam, the cast range will be 2, meaning cryocopter will always be exposed to aa fire when trying to shrink a unit.
@@estellebright2579
Yeah, I've been chewing on this recently for some reason. I still think banning or hard-nerfing them in a community patch would be incredibly interesting, entirely because it'd flip the table on how things currently are. A lot of units would be completely changed in viability, more strategies would open up, new rollouts could be tried, etc., etc. I have a genuine overall hatred of things in games that have no counter-play whatsoever, and the Cryocopter and Cryo Beam are pretty blatant examples of this in effect.
in the future cryo will be gone
The good thing if RA4 abandons the RA3 timeline - there wouldn’t be Cryocopters!
Cryocopter swarm is prety effective strategy against the Empire, but when you oponent pulls out 10 Flak troopers and 4 bulldogs you just lost a lot of resources ...
If you couldn't just micro down those AA that is. Easy shrink on the bullfrogs and it literally takes 2 Vindicators to kill most of those flaks in one bombing run.
Cancercopter
Cryocopter, this unit is just for noob players 🤗
Cryo is not op. You are being subjective here XYHC. All you need is some decent micro, a few anti air units and a non "allies are op bullshit" mindset
Lemme fight you on stream today, with Cryocopters
Also you do watch Sybert right? Can we both agree Dimon's the finest player out there who definitely knows his micro? ruclips.net/video/bvnUiZhJbW0/видео.html
I saw the match that XYHC linked in reply before. It is pretty disappointing and cyro-sided. There is no hard counter, especially Empire only option is Defender or Tengu in Tier 1. Even if you manage to upgrade to Tier 2, shrink beam MCV pressure is there, heck even easy Navy Yard Destroyer. If you try to put resources into harassing enemy refs, you don't have resources to counter MCV turret push.
Also, VX cannot kill Cyro fast enough and often being wrecked by Cyro instead.
(Which is why Archer Maiden is given in Rising Sun, however just even more OP endgame units there)
@@xyhc-cnc I'm a little late with my response here haha. Yeah sure fight me with them
If the freeze was a damage boost instead of instakill and their ability cooldown was 15 seconds... I'd see more interesting casts from Sybert. If only.
needs more nerfs than that m8
Less health too
@@tacotony3274 I'll agree to that but I want to use a scalpel not a hammer. Health is a first layer solution.
I completely agree, I hate that snap freezing is a mechanic, the slowdown and damage buff is enough alone.
If snap freeze was a guarantee I'd at least dramatically increase the time to get it and remove veterancy gain from it
@@squishymusic9723 No veterancy? That's a good idea actually. You're already deleting something from existence.