You gain the ability to oneshot people without armor. But you also gain the ability to be oneshot by other people who have a ghost. Also, especially for attackers with every additional ghost your team buys the efficiency drops. 1 ghost on the best fragger is way more efficient than 4. (Especially as you can pick it up after he died, decreasing return in investment. ) Edit: 5:05 the smaller downside is sound of the old weapon dropping and time being voulnerable
For some reason i see far too many of those ppl hard clutching the round, i think 1 sherif per team can be acceptable if the person buying it knows how to use it
I run this strat where the sage will buy wall and armor and then Ill buy her a sheriff. Everyone else on the team runs classic and armor except me who doesnt get shit lol.
@@timoord1611 I love the potential of the "I'm not gonna spend effort aiming for heads, imma one shot in yo face shot you!" style. Reyna is good with the shorty.
I feel like Ghost on attack and classic on defense is a good rule of thumb (with a lot of exceptions though). Because in defense you're more likely to be in close quarter than in attack when you peek long lines. It's the same as Phantom vs Vandal
@@barckofftw1560 That's not true, it's situationnal, otherwise, how do you explain that half of the pros whose kills are 95% of the time headshots prefer the phantom?
@@barckofftw1560 but Phantom has _slightly_ better accuracy than Vandal. If you're talking about hitting that one-taps, sure you're right, but Phantom is also worthwhile for long range engagements, albeit worse in damage class. It's kinda frustrating to flick to the head but the weapon inaccuracy said 'I guess the bullet should go above me.'
Don't forget though that a silenced weapon on defense makes it harder for the enemy to know where you're shooting from. I have gotten 3 Ks by sitting on a double box with a ghost.
I only buy ghost because it resembles the usps from csgo The classic however does not feel like glock but more like unsilenced usps which i dislike alot
But Imagine you having a small shotgun also. Thats pretty good in close range. And this is Valorant not csgo in this game health is the key. When you have a chance to have more health it should be taken
The classic felt so hard to play with before i bought the prism skin, somehow the animation and the look just made it feels like a completely different and much better weapon to play with :-D
The frenzy isn’t actually bad in most close to mid range gun fights and it’s really good at killing people with low health regardless of how good your aim is.
When I play Breach, I get Ghost + abilities to get aggressive, but if I Sage, I get all abilities instead and stay back to give heals, and either slow rushes or cover where they might come from while we plant
A little too for reyna mains : On pistol rounds, you can buy 2 leers, and all dismiss charges, and have someone buy you a ghost. You try to get one kill at the beginning, use your devour for the armor, and you can snowball off of that. If not, you can get 1 leer and 1 dismiss charge and a ghost. This is my go to for pistols on reyna, as I can usually get one kill and have full armor. I've also clutched multiple pistol rounds with 4ks as this exact loadout playing reyna, but I often run out of dismiss charges to heal. Good luck!
Classic vs ghost - the ghost is fantastic for any entry role players as the slightly more effective range, 1tap capability, and larger mag size allow for more spontaneous fights to turn well vs the classic + armor are great for any playmaker/secondary entry or support players. An argument could be made that armor makes more sense for entry as more health means longer entry, but you survive off of reaction times, peaks, and support/playmaker utility + self utility. Which means ghost is more effective as your goal is to either get the frag or get traded out ASAP. Thanks coach Mills ILY bb
I think if the alt fire spread for the classic was a set spread like in apex then it would be the best but it feels like like destiny with shotguns because the one shot potential has random ranges due to random spread.
One note you didnt mention is the ghost recoil feels better, its super minor but I feel more control with ghost even if its more of a mental/feel thing. I love classic too though, I bounce between both, but if I see a free ghost on the ground I always go for it. Great vid
prob not, like for the biggest overwatch guide channel all there coaches are gold / silver during first 2ish years and lots of their tips were also wrong or just filler to fill up time I was t500 on ow but Im only plat for val so cant really tell what stuff he says is wrong as pretty sure no way hes an actual pro level player
Frenzy light shields is statistically the best because it take 2 shots to the head to kill and can shoot 10 shots a second meaning u can ace in one second
I think u havent discusses the matchup classic ghost enough, because of: a) The ghost is slightly more precise which helps a lot on Long range Fights (although they are Kind of luck dependent) b) a Player with Light armor will need 1 hs and 1 bs for a ghost to kill a Player with none and so does the ghost to kill a Player with Light armor. So essencially Same time to kill. c) The classic has a secondary fire Mode which allows jumpshits as well as a higher time to kill in close combat (only bodyshot), cause 1 primary fire+ 1 secondary fire = 100 Dmg
As a Sova player im always confused in Pistol Round. Drone is too expensive and slow and so i usually dont buy it, and my choice becomes Armor + 2 Shock or Ghost + 2 Shock. My aim is kinda ass so i value armor over Ghost in theory, but thanks to Recon i can sometimes sneak one easy headshot on someone making the ghost worth it. What do you do in pistol rounds as Sova?
There is a part you left out after two shots the classics spread is doodoo and the lower round count feels awful until the follow up shots on the classic feel better I’m going to keep going ghost
There are three other pistol round options for a reason u know, not everyone needs to follow the pistol round mEtA to win, some people prefer having a fully automatic option or a close range shotgun for some sites, maybe some people like me would even go as far as to spend all of their credits on a high risk high reward option 👀
Then you just buy a vandal or phantom unless you prefer the spectre lol. He was referring to keeping your smg for the next round, if you still have it that is, because there's no point in wasting money in upgrading your weapon that early in the game when you haven't even built up a good economy or maxed out your money.
Well, mostly I would want my headshot to be one shot kill and other thing is ghost has less recoil on long range making it more accurate. Hence, as a Omen main I can buy ghost having two smokes, one flash and a shadow step. Taking more than 3 kills mostly.
I agree with most things here, however, I´m not sure if taking the bonus round is gonna be optimal most of the time, due to 13 rounds being required to win and not 16.
So... Any hope on having some kind of, "best effective way of shooting for each gun" or something like that to know the best ways and all to stay accurate while imputing max damage?
Ghost looks badass and its noise od the shot is satisfying and its name tho, its like a skin, skins energize u to play good cuz the skin looks good, and ghost looks alot better than xlassic for me so I would go for ghost
It does not matter what you can or cannot buy, Ghost > Classic. The way he said it pissed me off because he is correct, buying armor and using classic in first round is the way to go but classic is not superior to the ghost in any way.
I personaly playing always with armour + abilities. If i meet someone with armour and enemy have ghoste they dont gonna kill me in 1 shot (like me). And spend 500 from 800 money for something what is not even able to kill instantly in headshot in pistol rounds doesnt sounds good for me. If i have classic + armour and enemy have ghost we both need headshot + 1 or 2 hits into body. The difference is, that if i dont even gonna get hit, i have armour in next round.
In my opinion I have got pistol ace's multiple times i dont really buy anything pistol round, sometimes i just save with classic and still get kills so classic isnt the worst gun.
In my opinion the whole team should go for armor + classic and some abilities on default. Because even if the enemies buy ghosts you can't die from a one shot and saved 100$ each.
How tf did he not mention that if you buy a classic + armour you can't be one shot ie. The benefit of buying ghost is just negated by buying a classic and armor
Great video man! You keep using the word preceding wrong though and it drives me crazy! You're using it as if it means the following, but it means the one before!!
So in my opinion u forgot some important Aspects 1) u can also buy the shorty frenzy or sheriff 2) Amor gives a HUGE advantage against ghost Players cause they cant one tap u 3) the classic has a very power full burst USE IT 4) what do u do when u lose Pistol round And 5) how do u stop getting snowballed 6) u can buy frenzy + Amor is it worth it ?
1) Use shorty if ur holding short angles, use frenzy if ur gonna eco and wanna save, buy sheriff if u can aim 2) No one really aims directly for heads, they're also probably not gonna buy ghost/armor(check what agent they are) 3) Sure if ur close and cant spam left click 4) U should eco on round 2 5) U should eco and save money or just win rounds 6) Not really
When talking about classic you completly ignore recoil and accuracy. On long distance good luck hitting shit with classic while the enemy will snipe you down.
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You gain the ability to oneshot people without armor.
But you also gain the ability to be oneshot by other people who have a ghost.
Also, especially for attackers with every additional ghost your team buys the efficiency drops.
1 ghost on the best fragger is way more efficient than 4.
(Especially as you can pick it up after he died, decreasing return in investment. )
Edit: 5:05 the smaller downside is sound of the old weapon dropping and time being voulnerable
Then there's that one guy that buys the sherif
He might be me
There's always a cowboy
For some reason i see far too many of those ppl hard clutching the round, i think 1 sherif per team can be acceptable if the person buying it knows how to use it
You gotta be a headshot god if u wanna do anything with that
I run this strat where the sage will buy wall and armor and then Ill buy her a sheriff. Everyone else on the team runs classic and armor except me who doesnt get shit lol.
“How to win any pistol round”
Use Reyna
EnvyFPS Trueee LULW
Main lol
Yes! She's my main and I don't even need armor in the first match it's like: buy ghost and win with reyna cause you can overheal
GameLeap: Win every pistol round
Audience: But I suck
GameLeap: Uhhhhhh
"You know what else is classic? Smashing the sub button!"
Me: what
cringe
I never hit it lol
Them: "the pistol round is the most important round to win in an entire match"
Me, an intellectual: "what about the winning round?"
Provided it's not sudden death, its still less important.
@@acomaslip5212 well then taht round isnt the winning round, if you dont win the winning round, if you never win the winning round you lose the game
i hate how these kids all think theyre funny restating what other people have been saying
“Classic or Ghost?”
*Shorty*
Aaah, a man of culture
@@timoord1611 I love the potential of the "I'm not gonna spend effort aiming for heads, imma one shot in yo face shot you!" style. Reyna is good with the shorty.
I agree. If you have good positioning, shotguns in this game r acc too ez.
you gotta rush into their smokes and shoot send two of them to spectate
Camper spotted 😛😛
honestly it depends on the agent because of their abilities and their abilities price for me
+1
Yeah like sage would be wall and armour or full utility and breach would be ghost and utility
It depends on your aim ur skill are useless without aim
@@mystik9332 sage heal
Some one like kill joy are just soo depend on her skill tho
I feel like Ghost on attack and classic on defense is a good rule of thumb (with a lot of exceptions though). Because in defense you're more likely to be in close quarter than in attack when you peek long lines. It's the same as Phantom vs Vandal
you heard that from shroud
If you have a good aim, vandal is the best choice
@@barckofftw1560 That's not true, it's situationnal, otherwise, how do you explain that half of the pros whose kills are 95% of the time headshots prefer the phantom?
@@barckofftw1560 but Phantom has _slightly_ better accuracy than Vandal. If you're talking about hitting that one-taps, sure you're right, but Phantom is also worthwhile for long range engagements, albeit worse in damage class. It's kinda frustrating to flick to the head but the weapon inaccuracy said 'I guess the bullet should go above me.'
Don't forget though that a silenced weapon on defense makes it harder for the enemy to know where you're shooting from.
I have gotten 3 Ks by sitting on a double box with a ghost.
I only buy ghost because it resembles the usps from csgo
The classic however does not feel like glock but more like unsilenced usps which i dislike alot
But Imagine you having a small shotgun also. Thats pretty good in close range. And this is Valorant not csgo in this game health is the key. When you have a chance to have more health it should be taken
Pure time-to-kill numbers classic+armor beats ghost.
Glock doesn't fire like a shotgun thouu.
@@arttuahonen8773 but his point is he likes ghost more because it's like the usp, a sentimental thing
The classic felt so hard to play with before i bought the prism skin, somehow the animation and the look just made it feels like a completely different and much better weapon to play with :-D
"classic or ghost"
my silver 2 ass: LmAo GeT tHe FrEnZy
the worst part is that i aced once with the frenzy
The frenzy isn’t actually bad in most close to mid range gun fights and it’s really good at killing people with low health regardless of how good your aim is.
lmao how did u even have the ammo for that?
Wait is frenzy bad i nuat thought it was like the tec 9 from cs go and it was really good
Same and yes there's ammo i sprayed 3 down in 1 clip
6:13 cypher dabbing 🤣
When I play Breach, I get Ghost + abilities to get aggressive, but if I Sage, I get all abilities instead and stay back to give heals, and either slow rushes or cover where they might come from while we plant
I Mainly play breach and i like to get ghost and one Flash or Amor a Flash and the c
A little too for reyna mains : On pistol rounds, you can buy 2 leers, and all dismiss charges, and have someone buy you a ghost. You try to get one kill at the beginning, use your devour for the armor, and you can snowball off of that.
If not, you can get 1 leer and 1 dismiss charge and a ghost. This is my go to for pistols on reyna, as I can usually get one kill and have full armor. I've also clutched multiple pistol rounds with 4ks as this exact loadout playing reyna, but I often run out of dismiss charges to heal. Good luck!
this video is almost identical to the proguides one posted 4 days ago XD
Factss
Honestly all the guides get repeated by different channels and there all the exact same
At this point I don't know which video is from which chanel
Gabriel Santos de Souza Yo same. They all sound the same, make the same content
frenzy: *cries in shop abandoned*
You should do a series where you review pro VOD's and point out how they play certain maps and certain sites, or how they peek etc..
you can review them yourself, u'll understand much more
No he shouldn’t this guy probably sucks at this game
This feels like a reupload of a video I've already watched
Me who use frenzy: **laughs hysterically**
Winning the pistol round proofs that your team is superior
I've had & seen so many insane comebacks in some matches I don't believe in snowballing anymore..
love ur vids btw keep u the good work!
But with the classic u probably are gonna buy light shields so both are two shots to the head
Classic vs ghost - the ghost is fantastic for any entry role players as the slightly more effective range, 1tap capability, and larger mag size allow for more spontaneous fights to turn well vs the classic + armor are great for any playmaker/secondary entry or support players. An argument could be made that armor makes more sense for entry as more health means longer entry, but you survive off of reaction times, peaks, and support/playmaker utility + self utility. Which means ghost is more effective as your goal is to either get the frag or get traded out ASAP.
Thanks coach Mills ILY bb
I think if the alt fire spread for the classic was a set spread like in apex then it would be the best but it feels like like destiny with shotguns because the one shot potential has random ranges due to random spread.
Love your channel bruh 👊💯
thanks this was incredibly insightful
One note you didnt mention is the ghost recoil feels better, its super minor but I feel more control with ghost even if its more of a mental/feel thing. I love classic too though, I bounce between both, but if I see a free ghost on the ground I always go for it. Great vid
i smashed sub button and theres crack on monitor
With viper you can buy the smoke and a molly as well as a ghost for pistol round
I wanna see this dude play hes always giving tips but i wonder if he himself executes it
prob not, like for the biggest overwatch guide channel all there coaches are gold / silver during first 2ish years and lots of their tips were also wrong or just filler to fill up time I was t500 on ow but Im only plat for val so cant really tell what stuff he says is wrong as pretty sure no way hes an actual pro level player
Frenzy light shields is statistically the best because it take 2 shots to the head to kill and can shoot 10 shots a second meaning u can ace in one second
I think u havent discusses the matchup classic ghost enough, because of:
a) The ghost is slightly more precise which helps a lot on Long range Fights (although they are Kind of luck dependent)
b) a Player with Light armor will need 1 hs and 1 bs for a ghost to kill a Player with none and so does the ghost to kill a Player with Light armor. So essencially Same time to kill.
c) The classic has a secondary fire Mode which allows jumpshits as well as a higher time to kill in close combat (only bodyshot), cause 1 primary fire+ 1 secondary fire = 100 Dmg
As a Sova player im always confused in Pistol Round.
Drone is too expensive and slow and so i usually dont buy it, and my choice becomes Armor + 2 Shock or Ghost + 2 Shock.
My aim is kinda ass so i value armor over Ghost in theory, but thanks to Recon i can sometimes sneak one easy headshot on someone making the ghost worth it.
What do you do in pistol rounds as Sova?
Usually, i buy drone and a shock+ armor. I tried everything out in multiple games and it is what felt best and most useful to me. Good luck!
ghost one taps are sooo satisfying
just like usp from csgo
@@leathanalexander7191 yesssss
So what I’m hearing is I’ve been ahead of this meta with little pple knowing it for months?
Nice :)
There is a part you left out after two shots the classics spread is doodoo and the lower round count feels awful until the follow up shots on the classic feel better I’m going to keep going ghost
On omen you can get all abilities and shields in pistol round, which I think is insane
There are three other pistol round options for a reason u know, not everyone needs to follow the pistol round mEtA to win, some people prefer having a fully automatic option or a close range shotgun for some sites, maybe some people like me would even go as far as to spend all of their credits on a high risk high reward option 👀
He’s not using his footage anymore lol. Going ghost every round now.
I normally like to full save 1st round. Then if i get a kill or there is a ghost on the floor i usually pick it up for round 2 and full save
When you say that we should keep our smgs going into round 3, what happens if only one of your players live round 2? Buy ARs?
Good question 🤔
Then you just buy a vandal or phantom unless you prefer the spectre lol. He was referring to keeping your smg for the next round, if you still have it that is, because there's no point in wasting money in upgrading your weapon that early in the game when you haven't even built up a good economy or maxed out your money.
ty coach!
Well, mostly I would want my headshot to be one shot kill and other thing is ghost has less recoil on long range making it more accurate. Hence, as a Omen main I can buy ghost having two smokes, one flash and a shadow step. Taking more than 3 kills mostly.
I agree with most things here, however, I´m not sure if taking the bonus round is gonna be optimal most of the time, due to 13 rounds being required to win and not 16.
subbed :D
So... Any hope on having some kind of, "best effective way of shooting for each gun" or something like that to know the best ways and all to stay accurate while imputing max damage?
Max accuracy will always be crouching standing still and HS always do most damage that’s pretty much it
for classic you have to alternate left and right click firing and you get more DPS, like he talked about in the video
its not a slight pump from 2 to 1 shots on the head its like the difference between land and sky just get the ghost guys
What about Raze's abilities??
Should we buy 1 Roomba and 1 satchel and armor?
Ghost looks badass and its noise od the shot is satisfying and its name tho, its like a skin, skins energize u to play good cuz the skin looks good, and ghost looks alot better than xlassic for me so I would go for ghost
Best thing to do is buy armour abilities and ask to see your team mates ghost skin and forget to return it
Me and my friends have pistol round tank meta, sage request sheriff and buys shield and abilities.
Imagine both opponent and your team have seen this video
It does not matter what you can or cannot buy, Ghost > Classic. The way he said it pissed me off because he is correct, buying armor and using classic in first round is the way to go but classic is not superior to the ghost in any way.
It is in its alternate fire, which can 1 shot to the body of you land 2 of 3 bullets
So you're telling me 60 dmg (0 meters away) is a kill?
I personaly playing always with armour + abilities. If i meet someone with armour and enemy have ghoste they dont gonna kill me in 1 shot (like me). And spend 500 from 800 money for something what is not even able to kill instantly in headshot in pistol rounds doesnt sounds good for me. If i have classic + armour and enemy have ghost we both need headshot + 1 or 2 hits into body. The difference is, that if i dont even gonna get hit, i have armour in next round.
In my opinion I have got pistol ace's multiple times i dont really buy anything pistol round, sometimes i just save with classic and still get kills so classic isnt the worst gun.
Idk, I feel like the Sherif has a place when you have maybe 1 against a team you know is gonna use light. That way, you can still one tap.
In my opinion the whole team should go for armor + classic and some abilities on default. Because even if the enemies buy ghosts you can't die from a one shot and saved 100$ each.
Advice for the second round. If you lose, get Bucky. Contest their smgs with a shotgun.
i actually use the sheriff some time and it works
For cypher i like getting two wires and a small shield
This was implied but not stated outright. You cannot be one tapped by a ghost if you buy armour.
How do people get blood?
omen full utility (flashbang and teleport) and armor
What about the frenzy?
Largest pat of buying armor is picking up other peoples ghost. from dead friend of foe doesn’t matter you will have the beat of both worlds.
I’m mostly playing Jett, and I like to buy (I might mess up the names) Ghost, Updrawt, and 2 Cloudbursts
You should better opt for the classic with Jett, since the right click is still accurate while floating in the air with her passive
Honestly I feel like the comments are more helpful than the video
i use classic for 3 rounds even if we win the pistol round. I need to change that so thank u for telling me how to change that
Just, don't?
4:05 look at the video and at the same time listen tò what he says... Controvertial
How tf did he not mention that if you buy a classic + armour you can't be one shot ie. The benefit of buying ghost is just negated by buying a classic and armor
We always win pistol round. We always lose 2nd round after though. 2nd round cursed plagued us.
Great video man! You keep using the word preceding wrong though and it drives me crazy! You're using it as if it means the following, but it means the one before!!
6:08 james charles lmaooo
Buy classic + shield + a little bit of utility > kill enemy who bought ghost > steal ghost
So in my opinion u forgot some important Aspects
1) u can also buy the shorty frenzy or sheriff
2) Amor gives a HUGE advantage against ghost Players cause they cant one tap u
3) the classic has a very power full burst USE IT
4) what do u do when u lose Pistol round
And 5) how do u stop getting snowballed
6) u can buy frenzy + Amor is it worth it ?
1) Use shorty if ur holding short angles, use frenzy if ur gonna eco and wanna save, buy sheriff if u can aim
2) No one really aims directly for heads, they're also probably not gonna buy ghost/armor(check what agent they are)
3) Sure if ur close and cant spam left click
4) U should eco on round 2
5) U should eco and save money or just win rounds
6) Not really
I'm a Jett and I buy shorty armor 1 smoke and 1 air jump
With Sova, always buy ghost and drone... Q is not that important as drone and info dart
Anybody gonna talk about the thumbnail?
I’m an omen main and use the ghost with my 2 teleports in the first round
I feel yyou
The pistol, the classic, the pew pew but no one knows the triple tap sad
Times he said “value”:
When talking about classic you completly ignore recoil and accuracy. On long distance good luck hitting shit with classic while the enemy will snipe you down.
I just take the cz with jett then abilites and take some unusual corners to hide on
Omen, 1 tp, paranoia, dark cover, 400 shield, classic
the classic vs ghost seems a bit biased
I use the sheriff 😤
buy ghost or classic?
ME: *Laughs in Party*
Hey!
I was against ScreaMy!
in a match!
Best answer: The shorty
telling all the benefits of classic but showing one tap headshots of ghost
guess which one im gonna play now
Where the shorty gang at?
I have a friend who buys me a sheriff and i buy armor and utility jusy cause i ace with the sheriff religiously on any round lmao
preceding
= coming before, not after
useful
Holy I just dropped an ace with the ghost on the pistol round right after watching this
I took a shower and missed the whole video, someone wanna sum it up?
Yea
no frenzy love?
Who's the person that they show for a long time earlier in the video?
hiko
Frenzy ftw :)