Between Orochimaru, Slade, and The Huntsman from American Dragon Jake Long, in the 2000s there were a lot of cartoon plot lines involving adults grooming of minors for.... "evil"...
I was gonna make a joke about Orochimaru having better tongue game, but then I remembered Slade and the huntsman don't even have mouths lmao@@ashleydavis2124
"Robin is trash by himself" Meanwhile, Robin already showed himself taking on the 4 other Titans singlehandedly, someone with 7 heroes powers combined, and usually doing the most in battles that don't center around someone else.
And also the fact that he trashed an entire warehouse of Slade minions all by himself while the other Titans just watched while sh*tting themselves. xD
He has not been paying attention, he's already taken the entire team more than once. Then he said "not a good leader" like brody, how many times are they on the verge of defeat or need a plan or need to figure something out and its Robin who saves the day? How often is he doing the most damage, how often does the team essentially lose when he's not around? Like what? He gets knocked off his motorcycle then suddenly "he's not a good leader"?
@@billbill6094Exactly this! All of the Titans are strong, but they are generally shown to lack an order and strategy that only Robin brings to the team. A leader does NOT have to be the strongest member. They lead the team, helping them work as a functional unit.
He's like the Wolf from Little Red Riding Hood in that he's meant to symbolize predators in the adult world who are obsessed with literally or figuratively consuming the innocence of youth.
I’m not so sure Slade’s choice of words were unintentional. If you think about it, she came to him in a state of vulnerability and he took advantage of that. Slade groomed her.
I feel like yall are forgetting the whole thing with her thinking Beast Boy broke her trust and being manipulated by Slade. She was 100% genuine the first time she showed up.
@@aidenhallowell3819She went to Slade who groomed her. She was an impressionable teenage girl and Slade was an older man who was a master manipulator and knew how to prey on her insecurities.
@@aidenhallowell3819yes, because I'm sure she walked up to Slade and said " hey I've decided I hate the teen Titans let's kill them" and definitely not Slade being a manipulator, showing up to teach Terra, indebting her to him, and then suggesting she go back and do him a little favor. I'm sure he laid out the entire plan for her so she could consult on the matter and wanted to be very sure she was okay going through with this all. Idk, he gives that kind of vibe /s
It's amazing how the show made a kid-friendly version of "The Judas Contract" storyline with Terra and Deathstroke, but vastly improves the comic version. Not only removing the sexual grooming of Terra, but making her decision to ally with Slade based on her own insecurities and fears. It gives the story and the show as a whole a deep and emotional storyline that you can empathize with and see what pushed her to be how she is.
He still grooms her, just not for sex. He grooms her to be his living weapon, someone with powers he doesn't have that he can literally body puppet from a safe distance. Further I think the TV rating is what kept the sexual aspect out, the way they have him talk makes it clear that it wouldn't be beyond him, it's why he sounds so creepy. As for being better, I have never read that, but from what I have heard and at least what some ppl take away from it, it sound like you are correct. Although doesn't he take advantage of her insecurities and fears in order to groom her in the comics?
I don't think the grooming aspect is inherantly bad, since in theory it can be good representation of an issue a lot of teens face. But the original comic was horrible lol. The intention behind Slade raping Terra was to show how evil *Terra* is. To quote the writer, "Woah, good god, this little girl is a slut!"
I feel like everyone is blowing right past the implications of what's still happening with Terra and Slade in these episodes, everyone's saying at least it's "not like Judas Contract!" You're right, in a sense, Terra is actually treated with more sympathy. Except many in the comments [and even reaction, dismissing it as unintentional] ignore that he's still grooming her and that he in general preys on children? It's 'child friendly' but the coding of why he does what he does is so blatantly obvious. Everyone preaches about how mature this show is, but always glosses over this or ignores it when I argue it's the most well-written dark parts of the story: 1. He takes consent from her and uses her powers and 'body' for himself, yes sure it's about her powers but read between the lines. 2. When she vows to be only dedicated to him it's painted to be similar to marriage vows, while not one to one the background at the time reminds me of stained glass windows. 3. "That's my good girl..." and "What I'm going to do is worse." I guess we'll just entirely ignore these lines? 4. Classic signs of a controlling abuser and groomer, especially when you combine what he did to Robin with what he's doing to Terra. He isolates, he tells them they don't need friends anymore they have him, he makes himself their one and only- it didn't work on Robin because he didn't have the trauma Terra has which made her more susceptible to Slade- that, and he truly felt he could depend on his friends. Terra, when she came back to the titans, was already in the midst of being groomed and doesn't get that luxury. 5. Yes Terra has a seemingly severe trauma only mentioned by Slade in episode one, who was STALKING HER, implying that her lack of ability to control her emotions and thus her powers causing horrible incidents to occur. She ran away because of these feelings and the fear she was no good, and Slade as he did in that first encounter, continued to use her fear about 'lack of control' against her. Sorry for the long comment, I'm passionate about this sort of thing and it's sad to see the utter lack of sympathy Terra gets when I felt the themes of her characters were obvious by 'we can't blatantly say it but here's metaphors and hints' standards.
Wait. People were acting like this was good for Terra? Like yes she's not intimately taken advantage of has in the comics but it's still gross and fucked up. It was obvious. Literally what messed it up is the lack of moments she has with the Titans and dealing with her trauma. We get snippets and hints but her lack of screentime, shift in personality after the Titans get angry and rushed plot made her seem unsympathetic tbh.
@@AL7249 I would disagree with the unsympathetic aspect, I think it's clear and easy to see what's up and follow the line of logic with what's been established. I'll agree with the rushed and quick pacing, Terra and her story deserved more screen time to improve it. As for what I meant, I'm not saying anyone think it's 'good for Terra' but I've seen a few dismissing parts of both Slade and Terra's characters in the cartoon. By believing in the idea just because it's kid friendly, it means nothing deeper is happening- it's a folly of underestimating a show even people respect because it's animation. It's mostly in people not seeming to get that this Slade is entirely and totally still a... you know.... but they can't say it. So they show it through his more brutal actions and strange wording. I suppose it doesn't matter in the end, she's still manipulated, but I feel like ignoring the other layer of her abuse at the hands of Slade is refusing to engage in part of what makes this arc, Terra and Slade interesting as characters. Even ignoring what makes Slade and Robin's arc so intense, sad and interesting.
A lot of this fan base does this for some reason, I have never understood why. If you were active in forums in the day you would have seem how absolutely mad people would get when you'd talk about themes like this in the show. I see it a a lot when people try to bring it up with the moment that Slade and Raven have later, even though that one is even more obvious
@@angelparada9904 I almost feel as if people do it because they are defensive of liking Slade's character, if he is something so vile you can't even name it on TV how do you defend enjoying him as a villain? That's my theory on it at least, no one wants their favorite creep to be an ACTUAL creep. I, for one, find it silly because he's still a terrible person who torments children either way. It's just that it's actually more complex then people want to give it credit for, and I love Slade as a character for those reasons.
Yeah. I said that in their previous video. The stuff that happens between Slade and Terra IS MUCH WORSE in the comics! Also his actual villains name is "Deathstroke" but because this is basically a kid friendly version of Teen Titans they changed his villain name to his first name. Which is Slade. His actual name is Slade Wilson.
@ashleyrose5067 He straight up grooms her and they have an explicitly sexual relationship. Now the comic doesn’t really realise how awful that is, since that version of Terra is a sadistic psychopath that absolutely despises the Titans and is depicted as just as much of a villain as Slade, but it’s still very messed up.
My response to unironic Terra haters is this: Terra's 14. Slade's in his 30s. If you think a child trapped in an abusive sexual relationship can make their own decisions, you don't understand how relationships work. Terra was never in control of more than just her powers.
I’m glad you and saltygay understand. Really I do. As someone on the spectrum who had to deal with manipulation and abuse to others, I am really happy to see some people understanding the others perspective rather than having predgidous emotions. 😌😇❤
There is nothing they can glean from this cartoon aimed for young children to tweens that she was being sexually abused. Don't apply comic events that didn't happen here and expect them to psychically get it; just from the kind of show they're watching, where a magic interdimensional being can turn the world into a child's drawing on Cyborg's grandma's fridge, they are not at all primed to read a deep sexual abuse story from it the show writers did not write. Y'all just want to be so serious and grave about a cartoon network cartoon it's incredible. You're not even laying out an argument from events in the show but using seperate media to invoke child abuse imagery as a one up to any differing opinion in the comment section, making any other opinion haver feel guilty.
Yeah in hindsight her moments felt too quick like not much time to breath with her meeting the Titans and getting placed on the team then betraying them.
@@sailormoon0507 yeah lol. Like just like a comment above about Terra not deserving forgiveness, I kinda agree tbh. Like yes she was manipulated and taken advantage of but just seeing how she acts in episode 12 to 13 is kinda jarring. Like bitch you took over a city and NOW want your friends you betrayed to care about you!
@@AL7249 Yes. If we had seen more of her friendship with the titans and saw more of how she handled her trauma/power control it would’ve been easier to forgive her.
@@sailormoon0507 yeah exactly. Kinda better than comics Terra though lol. Well less sad since she still has some autonomy when she went out and not victim blamed.
The Raven and Terra fight definitely felt personal 😂. Terra wasted no time taking out Starfire, Beast Boy and Cyborg, but when it comes to Raven, she wanted to mess with her. I know Raven was super satisfied dropping a freakin bus on her 😂
(At 37:05) At this point, it looks like Terra's too scared to make the right choice, because she thinks she's beyond saving. Hell, she looked like she would have been all right if any one of Titans killed her, just to stop her from killing Beast Boy.
I think it’s important to consider that Terra didn’t join Slade for power she joined him for the chance to actually control her powers and because, from her perspective, the Titans betrayed her trust. She fell into a toxic relationship with Slade where he gave her what he promised and built her up but only in the context of being HIS apprentice all while constantly undermining her faith in the Titans and claiming they’ll never trust her. Even in the last episode we saw her she hasn’t fallen completely under his spell, she was doing what he said because he held this power over her but still felt bad and specifically took Beast Boy on a date so he wouldn’t get caught up in it. It’s only when the Titans, understandably, cut her off completely that she allowed herself to be fully indoctrinated.
I like the approach this series takes, such as the fact that the protagonists don’t always win their battles the first time around and then later on, they succeed in their second bout with the antagonists. It’s very realistic for storytelling.
@@augustrempelewert4377 Does that a lot? That's pretty much how the show runs. I always questioned as a kid why Stitch who was built up as Jumba's greatest creation, has so much trouble taking down each one of the others every episode.
Really feel like you guys missed the whole point of Terra's arc. She was super insecure and it was implied her powers either killed people on accident or caused massive destruction. When she felt betrayed and alone, Slade stepped in, picking up this teenager with no home or family. He proceeded to groom her. Those creepy and disturbing undertones that make your skin crawl, a ceremony that almost sounds like marriage/cult like words, the way he had power over her, its extremely dark. She felt guilty betraying the teen titans at first, but beast boy told her she had no friends and she spiraled, going back to slade fully and becoming a full villain before her redemption. The mindless flip-flopping as you called it is probably because the show sped through a lot with Terra and much is implied, but there is enough there to get what you need to know while keeping it kid friendly enough.
Terra is basically what Dick Grayson would have become if Batman hadn't took him in and raised him. Terra is what happens to kids when they have no guidance and end up in the wrong hands. It kind of makes sense why Slade moved up to being a Batman villain because he's the very reason Batman chooses to raise kids because if he doesn't they will just end up with someone like Slade who will corrupt their innocence and use them for whatever.
To be fair for Ronnie Rancid beating Robin in the beginning. Robin has 0 super powers, and while being trained in martial arts, excels moreso at detective work, and ambush strategies. Batman and Robin use the opponents mentality against them (scaring them, egging them on, ect).
@@Dark-Wolf27 He specifically referred to his leadership then listed off several things that weren't true. Stop using the word offended to silence any discourse.
@user-xv1sr3uy7p I mean that like how batman doesn't always win his fight. He's not perfect he will make mistakes and he learns from them like we all do. That why the batfamily are very loved their human and make human mistakes
any animosity i hold towards terra is rendered null on all levels when you insert the fact she is a 15 year old child. i can be disappointed in her but i could never place FULL blame on her actions
Terra is character here I feel very neutral about, like I don’t hate her but I also don’t consider a favorite either. Like she’s definitely aware that what she did was horrible, she excepted that and decided to at least do one last good thing in her life by sacrificing herself to save the titans and the city. Like she’s a HEAVENLY flawed human being with such an intense super power like that and I can’t at least help but feel sympathy for her towards the end. ALSO we gotta acknowledge Ashley Johnson’s voice acting performance in that last episode, like she is AMAZING✨
im glad im not the only one feeling incredibly uncomfortable that we are just cool with slade being super creepy [not like we see them call him an asshole or bastard, etc] but terra, whos like a young teen girl with severe trauma and is currently being groomed by said guy is being called a bitch and more. it puts a really bad taste in my mouth...
Honestly I feel like she would've been more sympathetic if we saw her trauma and time spent with the Titans. It all felt too fast like literally when given the communicator, her betrayal is hinted at. It's sad and I feel bad for Terra but maybe not act surprised when your friends are pissed at you and being like "can we talk?"
@@AL7249 I can agree it's a little poorly written at that part, but it doesn't change the way I feel to them reacting to these episodes by going on about her being a bitch and stuff. It just feels like everything else that happened went entirely over their heads? Her character arc is very quickly paced and rushed and you really don't have to love Terra as a character but the reactions felt like A Lot. I felt her trauma was pretty obvious, but it's a lot of Implies and hints then blatantly telling the audience.
@@misxfit9605 Yes! Exactly! It felt rushed and kinda sad. It's no where near Judas Contract but still pretty fucked up and honestly more sad. Her being taken advantage of and manipulated is pretty out there and obvious. I feel bad for her situation and wish it was better even if a part of me feels like things could've been done differently. No sympathy cause of how it was written and how quick her personality changed. Or her just dropping the mask. Just would've liked if she was treated with more respect and understanding. And tbf they're reacting that way due to how she acts in between the episodes, going from pissed and vengeful almost gleeful in her destruction of her former friends to wanting forgiveness the second they show back up and really nessd her up. It makes it feel like any chances they gave would've been squandered due to the betrayal and lack of trust. They're reacting to what's happening, I feel kinda odd to but I get it. Even if she was manipulated, she still has chances to come clean. Its just too bad that TERRA herself didn't see them. Honestly I'm lol feeling more pissed at Slade because while people talk about Judas Contract, people KNOW it's bad and yet praise this when it's more creepy due to the implications of abuse and lack of autonomy given to her along with her arc getting rushed.
I teared up because it triggered me not to be sensitive at all, but I don't understand why there's so much blame on her when I thought it was apparent she was really naive and he was manipulating her the whole time? some of her insults don't seem genuine, even though i understand what she did was bad
Terra felt betrayed because she didn't have control of her powers at first. Just as we learn in the first episode, she always tried to do good with them but unintentionally did bad by accidentally making avalanches, earthquakes and mudslides and Slade said that the Titans wouldn't trust her or understand. That Beast Boy would betray her even though he promised he wouldn't tell anyone in the team that she couldn't control her powers, which he found out by accident and that again, Terra was trying to keep secrets. So when Robin admitted he knew she couldn't control her powers, Terra believed that Beast Boy broke his promise. The first and only friends she ever had were traitors in her eyes. THAT is why she turned to Slade. And it's why during her fight with Robin, Terra said "I'm just never going to be good enough for you, am I?" in a bitter way. As a callback to that. None of this excuses what Terra has done but narratively it all fits and makes sense. It's not convenience. And even if you don't agree with that? Guess what, in the original comics it's worse. Terra tries to destroy the Teen Titans just because they're superheroes and she hates superheroes for absolutely no explained reason whatsoever. I'm pretty sure you can all agree that comic book Terra is way worse written than cartoon series Terra, regardless of how you guys (especially Bree) might feel about the latter. Blackfire is way worse than Terra because unlike her, Blackfire has absolutely no redeeming qualities of any kind.
She ran away and joined Slade because she assumed Beast Boy, her best friend and crush, revealed a secret she confided in him earlier. First of all, he didn't reveal anything, she was mistaken. Robin just figured out her secret on his own, because it was pretty obvious to him. Terra never confronted Robin or Beast Boy about her suspicions directly, she just jumped to conclusions, and in the height of her emotionally charged state, she ran away before anybody had a chance to clear things up. Secondly, all 5 of the Titans accepted her into their group the first time they met, EVEN AFTER they found out about her secret (that she can't control her powers and has accidently caused natural disasters). She was so upset about having her secret exposed that she missed the fact that everyone was ok with it, they still accepted her anyway. Lastly, they also offered to help train her how to control her powers. Her decision to join Slade and betray them all was not remotely justified.
Yeah, Slade is incredibly creepy in these episodes. He completely manipulated and abused a 16 year old girl and eliminated her bodily autonomy-controlling her from the inside out. It’s so gross.
Fun Fact: with Nosyarg Kcid/Larry there's also a version for Batman called "Batmite" that has the exact same powers. They're both Robin and Batmans super fans and is basically the equivalent of someone to a comic book artist or a cartoonist where they can create whatever they want to help their favorite characters. In other words they can break the forth wall with these cartoon characters!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they also related to a certain 4th dimensional pest to Superman who also has a thing about his name when spelled/said backwards?
After reading the comics I can safely say that I prefer the way they handled Terra story and character in this show, I do not miss Slade being... if you know you know
The thing is Terra was literally a victim of emotional manipulation and physical abuse. I think it was probably hard to flesh that out more in a child friendly way lol
(At 34:53) then Robin drop the ball and Terra "blame" Beast Boy for breaking her promise. I'm surprised her brother, GeoForce wasn't involved in this series, but wasn't brought up in the Teen Titans Series comics.
@@Lupinemancer87 like one of the other founding teen Titans that didn't appear on the series… "Wonder Girl" If I remember correctly, the first founders of the Teen Titans were: 1) Richard "Dick" Grayson (Robin) 2) Roy Harper (Speedy) 3) Garth (Aqualad) 4)Wally West (Kid Flash) and 5) Donna Troy (Wonder Girl).
@@kailevil3444 donna actually appeared in some cameo here and there during season 5 am just guessing 1 she was too strong (she is ) and 2 they really didn't want to piss off wonder woman because that woman will kill you
@@painvillegaming4119 I see! Thank you very much for telling, it has been a lot of years since seeing the show so I didn't know.(Also didn't know her at that time.)
In terras defense, she was a 14 year old girl who was groomed by a man in his 40's (give or take). Like, not even considering the comics (which are just flat out sexual abuse towards terra) she was STILL in a position where she was coerced into doing this by an adult she trusted.
I mean Terra was still a teenager like 16 or something, she was a kid that did some bad stuff but she didn't kill anyone or something of that level, in the end she sacrificed herself, I think that is a good reason to not hate her but feel bad for her. But you know, women hate women it's just a fact of life lol...
I mean she could just be mad that Terra was trusted and betrayed them. And tried to kill them along with actually taking over the city for Slade. She can just be mad at that and chose not to forgive him.
Women hate women? i don't hate other women for being born the same sex as me that's actually really stupid, most girls aren't like this which is good lol i think id have a heart attack if most girls were like this, but i don't really like Bree now, I've read the comics and watched this and the amount of times manipulation corrosion and blatant abuse that was shown and she still.. blamed terra which is a year younger than me? like what are they on when they watched this, i don't even want to watch their channel anymore knowing this is how they view abuse and victim blamed the whole time when slade is the villain of the show 😭 cartoon of not this reflects what they think in real life and i cannot watch someone who's going to blame vitcims of abuse manipulation and worse when they're not even an adult that's so stupid. I wish they would actually address shit instead of telling people throughout videos there RUclips comments are "annoying" when they're the ones that need to genuinely take accountability for some of the things they say, usually they are right, but this isn't and i want them to like.. not blame her for everything? half of that is SLADES fault, she's only partially to blame.
I think yall are being a bit too harsh on Terra. Sure she betrayed them, but dont forget it was all Slade s fault manipulating her and planting ideas on her head. Anyways she still remains as the most complex and interesting character of this whole series to me
34:53: She was turned out all her life and was abused and she felt they lied to her! To her, the titans betrayed her and were making fun of her for not having her powers under her control
Calling Robin trash depite seeing what he was capable of when he was Red X and just a few episodes ago. You're about to be heading into season 3 and you still taking Robin as a joke?
@@SonicMegaKing You're complaining of his Ws and how unrealistic it was for him to not break his leg in a cartoon that's ignored a lot of rules of reality? What are you going to be pissed at how he didn't die after he was out of the plane in space when he was asking Starfire of getting married?
@@SonicMegaKingRobin is weak compared to whom? Are you really just comparing his capabilities to the rest of the group? He's clearly the only one without superpowers or cybernetic enhancements. What else is he supposed to do? What do you think the extent of his limitations should be?
Yea, this adaptatiom def was waaaaay better than the actual Judas Contract comic story. Aside from the much creepier Deathstroke and Terra sexual relationship, Terra was genuinely just awful.
@@levangiorgadze5842 Dude everything in the New 52 adaptation and afterwards have been watched and forgotten. That whole animated universe was very forgettable for me. I still think DC's strongest DC films/adaptations came before the New 52 animated universe.
Larry is Robin's version of Batmite who is a 5th dimensional character who can warp reality and are usually seen as nuisance in the comics. All DC characters have one but the most well known are Batmite (Batman's Greatest Fan) and Mister Mxyzptlk (Superman's Worst Enemy). Even Scooby got one in a team up comic book.
The Larry episode is probably the weirdest in the series, and you’d think the Justice League would get involved, even if the reality warping was confined to just the area around the city.
Larry is based on Bat-Mite who actually is DC'S version of a Imp. He's a 5th dimension being who can warp reality and is Batman's number one fan. Since they couldn't use Batman or anything Batman related on the show they created Larry. Similar to Mister Mxyzptlk, a Superman villain who is also form the 5th dimension, his name is backwards. They can't be defeated in battle, only banished to their dimension. To do that you have to make them say the their own name backwords.
Oh god the Mites, why is it always the Mites? Well, technically they're imps, trickster entities from a fifth dimension (cartoon physics). Superman has the most famous imp who is a bit more sinister, chaotic and very hard to pronounce, Mr. Mxyzptlk (and the only way to banish them is to say their name backwards), but this one is just a riff on Bat-Mite, an imp superfan of Batman who keeps trying to tag along and often does more harm than good, Dick does have a mite not sure if it's the same as Bat-Mite but he goes by Mitewing "Creepy" - I mean it was worse in the comics they were banging. Terra was fully off the deep end, gotta get that 'we trusted you' fight out of the way of course, but unlike the comics, Terra is convinced to turn on Slade, making the heroic sacrifice but I can see why it can feel a little unearned
No really, one of my favorite things about this arc is the fact that Terra really does just kill the shit outta Slade. As cool and menacing a character he is, the implications were very much present - if not as overt in the comics. He groomed her hard, turned her into a monster, and she got him back for it. He does eventually come back in the series… but he has to be brought from beyond the grave. In some ways Terra reminds me a little of Annie from attack on Titan, except the story doesn’t frame her like she’s just a hot victim of persecution who deserves mercy and remorse after showing none whatsoever to her victims, AND when Terra freezes herself for 3 seasons, she at least did it to punish herself and keep the world safe from her power… I know it’s a different type of show and AoT is seen as “adult” and “nuanced” but IMO the actual psychology of making selfish choices is actually much better thought out here. Like I get it that Annie is supposed to have been groomed and brainwashed, but she was also given 5 years to basically be all on her own, and somehow she just REMAINED fully loyal and never once changed her outlook, which is fucking astonishing and almost impossible considering her circumstances. Annie stands in utter spite of the concepts of karma or hubris, because the author had an obvious creepy obsession with her himself, and refused to let her “already perfect” character develop in any way, when to NOT develop her basically meant she was morally indefensible, and got nothing but rewarded for it…
Everytime Robin's alone he gets beat? Robin alone took down all the Titans all singlehandedly multiple times, took down a villain with Titan and non-Titan powers, took down all of Slade's minions so fast the other Titans didn't get a lick in, etc. The entire team without him usually loses, that's been happening since episode 1. "He's not a good one" bro has not been paying attention.
I definitely prefer the master-student direction they went with here. I know it's for obvious reasons but it's way better than Terra falling in love with Slade 😫. And it's not just the comics, the Judas Contract movie even showed it, and even Slade looked uncomfortable. Like Terra is clearly a minor, and Slade is at least 45+
@@OmarO_721yeah the comics and the movie had their relationship be more intimate with Slade grooming her. Least in the movie he actually didn't look interested and uncomfortable instead of just screwing her.
In a series full of bank robbers, fighters who like to fight, and people who want to take over mwuhahaha, Terra is probably the most complex villain in the whole show.
I think its interesting that people hatebon Terra because of her first iteration, yet give the rest of the titans a pass even though a few of them had just as troubling initial iterations. Namely Raven and OG Starfires backstory that is just.....wrong.
It’s not just Terra. When hits happen, unless they are robots in this show it’s sorta hidden when the screen flashes. In the finale for season 1, whenever Robin or Slade hit each other, the screen flashes white to hide the actual physical contact. It’s just a censorship thing from the shows time.
Y'all gotta give Robin some more credit. There is a reason why he, the only member of the team who has no powers, is the leader of said team. He is the equivalent to what Batman is to the Justice League; no powers, but wicked smart and a terrifying strategist, able to come up with plans on the fly and analyze the bad guys for any weaknesses. His agility and combat prowess is just the cherry on top. Let's not forget that when Robin was Red X, he had an exact counter for each of the Titans' powers that stopped them dead in their tracks. If he thought about how to counter his own teammates, how much do you think he's thought about how to counter the actual villains?
A big part of it is all the problems Terra had in the beginning before she even met the Teen Titans and Slade because of her powers that she couldn't control. She did bad things but the girl of reactions definitely exaggerates, the character understood her mistakes (due to a hard life and well we're talking about a teenager anyway) and redeemed herself at the cost of her life. It's true that she only sided against Slade when he lost his free will, but instead sacrificing her life wasn't something that suited her in any way
3:32 - That's a certified Road Rash moment right there. If you've played any of em, you know damn well what I'm talkin' about. 10:34 - _"Vegeta, he stole your 'do!"_
I can’t be the only one who thinks that episode has the same vibes as that uncle grandpa and Steven universe cross over even tho that one is better because it’s actually funny and not confusing
Terra craves approval and affection, slade gave her that in order to control her and her desperation to keep his approval is why she betrayed the titans As for the creepy way slade talks, that's actually intentional, in the original comicbook storyline slade groomed Terra and the relationship was overtly sexual in nature, that aspect of their dynamic is thankfully mostly removed in the show but there are overtones hinting to it in how he speaks
I've always wondered, what is even the benefit of villains wanting to take over a city? it just doesn't seem like there are any logical reasons for it lol
Basically their first battle with Terra resulted on them losing since they still see her as their friend. They won in the second since they now see her as criminal
28:31 the audacity. You could easily tell the Titans were fighting her a lot differently than from Part I. Also, I really wanna see what was happening in the writers’ room for that episode introducing Larry. Er I’m sorry, Nosyarg Kcid.
I mean like, Robin is very clearly the leader of the Teen Titans. He's just not the strongest member or necessarily the best fighter. I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive in this show. If anything, I think most of the time, the show tries to present the case that they all work to their best ability as a team, and sometimes that means they fail when they take on enemies individually. They're also still teenagers, if that counts for anything.
Between Orochimaru, Slade, and The Huntsman from American Dragon Jake Long, in the 2000s there were a lot of cartoon plot lines involving adults grooming of minors for.... "evil"...
Lol I mean at least with the Huntsman, his advances weren't sexually creepy. Just kidnapping and brainwashing
Realistically it is evil fr 😂 like why u obsessed with a child
I was gonna make a joke about Orochimaru having better tongue game, but then I remembered Slade and the huntsman don't even have mouths lmao@@ashleydavis2124
I’m still sad about what happened to Rose in American Dragon.
@@donovan802what the last episode you saw ?
"Robin is trash by himself" Meanwhile, Robin already showed himself taking on the 4 other Titans singlehandedly, someone with 7 heroes powers combined, and usually doing the most in battles that don't center around someone else.
Just like Batman and the Justice League.. I’m sure Robin had a file on all of them and how to take them down!
can't have a useful file on Raven@@Knowthyledge
And also the fact that he trashed an entire warehouse of Slade minions all by himself while the other Titans just watched while sh*tting themselves. xD
He has not been paying attention, he's already taken the entire team more than once. Then he said "not a good leader" like brody, how many times are they on the verge of defeat or need a plan or need to figure something out and its Robin who saves the day? How often is he doing the most damage, how often does the team essentially lose when he's not around? Like what? He gets knocked off his motorcycle then suddenly "he's not a good leader"?
@@billbill6094Exactly this! All of the Titans are strong, but they are generally shown to lack an order and strategy that only Robin brings to the team. A leader does NOT have to be the strongest member. They lead the team, helping them work as a functional unit.
“Man, Slade is so creepy. Just getting so many bad vibes from this guy and the way he talks about kids.”
People who’ve read the comics: 🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐
Yeah. He’s even worse in the comments
@@rickyronny4019 he manipulated Terra to do much worse in the comics, he is terrible
He's like the Wolf from Little Red Riding Hood in that he's meant to symbolize predators in the adult world who are obsessed with literally or figuratively consuming the innocence of youth.
Slade needs a seat with Chris Hansen
I’m not so sure Slade’s choice of words were unintentional. If you think about it, she came to him in a state of vulnerability and he took advantage of that. Slade groomed her.
I think this is the closest they could get away with adapting her story from the comics
I feel like yall are forgetting the whole thing with her thinking Beast Boy broke her trust and being manipulated by Slade. She was 100% genuine the first time she showed up.
And then decide to come back to try and kill everyone who was nice to her but save beast boy even he's the one who "broke her trust"
@@aidenhallowell3819She went to Slade who groomed her. She was an impressionable teenage girl and Slade was an older man who was a master manipulator and knew how to prey on her insecurities.
Yeah they forgot that so easily 😂
Yeah I genuinely don't give a fuck. She's the worst, and I hope I never have to see her again. Slade is a freak too, and they deserve each other.
@@aidenhallowell3819yes, because I'm sure she walked up to Slade and said " hey I've decided I hate the teen Titans let's kill them" and definitely not Slade being a manipulator, showing up to teach Terra, indebting her to him, and then suggesting she go back and do him a little favor. I'm sure he laid out the entire plan for her so she could consult on the matter and wanted to be very sure she was okay going through with this all. Idk, he gives that kind of vibe /s
Robin (Charitable RUclipsrs): “What did we ever do to make you hate us so much?”
Terra (Half of Twitter): “You were born”
It's amazing how the show made a kid-friendly version of "The Judas Contract" storyline with Terra and Deathstroke, but vastly improves the comic version.
Not only removing the sexual grooming of Terra, but making her decision to ally with Slade based on her own insecurities and fears. It gives the story and the show as a whole a deep and emotional storyline that you can empathize with and see what pushed her to be how she is.
He still grooms her, just not for sex. He grooms her to be his living weapon, someone with powers he doesn't have that he can literally body puppet from a safe distance. Further I think the TV rating is what kept the sexual aspect out, the way they have him talk makes it clear that it wouldn't be beyond him, it's why he sounds so creepy.
As for being better, I have never read that, but from what I have heard and at least what some ppl take away from it, it sound like you are correct. Although doesn't he take advantage of her insecurities and fears in order to groom her in the comics?
@@willowarkan2263 No, in the comics she's just evil.
I don't think the grooming aspect is inherantly bad, since in theory it can be good representation of an issue a lot of teens face.
But the original comic was horrible lol. The intention behind Slade raping Terra was to show how evil *Terra* is. To quote the writer, "Woah, good god, this little girl is a slut!"
@@armaggedon390 This does not answer my questions at all.
@@willowarkan2263 no he doesn't he just groomed her since she was a little kid and she came to love him basically just being an yandere
I feel like everyone is blowing right past the implications of what's still happening with Terra and Slade in these episodes, everyone's saying at least it's "not like Judas Contract!" You're right, in a sense, Terra is actually treated with more sympathy. Except many in the comments [and even reaction, dismissing it as unintentional] ignore that he's still grooming her and that he in general preys on children? It's 'child friendly' but the coding of why he does what he does is so blatantly obvious. Everyone preaches about how mature this show is, but always glosses over this or ignores it when I argue it's the most well-written dark parts of the story:
1. He takes consent from her and uses her powers and 'body' for himself, yes sure it's about her powers but read between the lines.
2. When she vows to be only dedicated to him it's painted to be similar to marriage vows, while not one to one the background at the time reminds me of stained glass windows.
3. "That's my good girl..." and "What I'm going to do is worse." I guess we'll just entirely ignore these lines?
4. Classic signs of a controlling abuser and groomer, especially when you combine what he did to Robin with what he's doing to Terra. He isolates, he tells them they don't need friends anymore they have him, he makes himself their one and only- it didn't work on Robin because he didn't have the trauma Terra has which made her more susceptible to Slade- that, and he truly felt he could depend on his friends. Terra, when she came back to the titans, was already in the midst of being groomed and doesn't get that luxury.
5. Yes Terra has a seemingly severe trauma only mentioned by Slade in episode one, who was STALKING HER, implying that her lack of ability to control her emotions and thus her powers causing horrible incidents to occur. She ran away because of these feelings and the fear she was no good, and Slade as he did in that first encounter, continued to use her fear about 'lack of control' against her.
Sorry for the long comment, I'm passionate about this sort of thing and it's sad to see the utter lack of sympathy Terra gets when I felt the themes of her characters were obvious by 'we can't blatantly say it but here's metaphors and hints' standards.
Wait. People were acting like this was good for Terra? Like yes she's not intimately taken advantage of has in the comics but it's still gross and fucked up. It was obvious. Literally what messed it up is the lack of moments she has with the Titans and dealing with her trauma. We get snippets and hints but her lack of screentime, shift in personality after the Titans get angry and rushed plot made her seem unsympathetic tbh.
@@AL7249 I would disagree with the unsympathetic aspect, I think it's clear and easy to see what's up and follow the line of logic with what's been established. I'll agree with the rushed and quick pacing, Terra and her story deserved more screen time to improve it.
As for what I meant, I'm not saying anyone think it's 'good for Terra' but I've seen a few dismissing parts of both Slade and Terra's characters in the cartoon. By believing in the idea just because it's kid friendly, it means nothing deeper is happening- it's a folly of underestimating a show even people respect because it's animation. It's mostly in people not seeming to get that this Slade is entirely and totally still a... you know.... but they can't say it. So they show it through his more brutal actions and strange wording.
I suppose it doesn't matter in the end, she's still manipulated, but I feel like ignoring the other layer of her abuse at the hands of Slade is refusing to engage in part of what makes this arc, Terra and Slade interesting as characters. Even ignoring what makes Slade and Robin's arc so intense, sad and interesting.
There's a reason I started calling this season Slades Hisoka arc
A lot of this fan base does this for some reason, I have never understood why. If you were active in forums in the day you would have seem how absolutely mad people would get when you'd talk about themes like this in the show. I see it a a lot when people try to bring it up with the moment that Slade and Raven have later, even though that one is even more obvious
@@angelparada9904 I almost feel as if people do it because they are defensive of liking Slade's character, if he is something so vile you can't even name it on TV how do you defend enjoying him as a villain? That's my theory on it at least, no one wants their favorite creep to be an ACTUAL creep.
I, for one, find it silly because he's still a terrible person who torments children either way. It's just that it's actually more complex then people want to give it credit for, and I love Slade as a character for those reasons.
If y'all had any idea what Terra (and Slade) was in the comics, your blood would be at its boiling point 😂
oh god....
Yeah. I said that in their previous video. The stuff that happens between Slade and Terra IS MUCH WORSE in the comics!
Also his actual villains name is "Deathstroke" but because this is basically a kid friendly version of Teen Titans they changed his villain name to his first name. Which is Slade. His actual name is Slade Wilson.
tell me plz
@@ashleyrose5067 They banged. Like, fr.
@ashleyrose5067 He straight up grooms her and they have an explicitly sexual relationship.
Now the comic doesn’t really realise how awful that is, since that version of Terra is a sadistic psychopath that absolutely despises the Titans and is depicted as just as much of a villain as Slade, but it’s still very messed up.
My response to unironic Terra haters is this:
Terra's 14. Slade's in his 30s. If you think a child trapped in an abusive sexual relationship can make their own decisions, you don't understand how relationships work. Terra was never in control of more than just her powers.
It's actually terrifying because there are real children out there who are being groomed and victim blamed and takes like theirs don't help at all
I’m glad you and saltygay understand. Really I do. As someone on the spectrum who had to deal with manipulation and abuse to others, I am really happy to see some people understanding the others perspective rather than having predgidous emotions. 😌😇❤
There is nothing they can glean from this cartoon aimed for young children to tweens that she was being sexually abused. Don't apply comic events that didn't happen here and expect them to psychically get it; just from the kind of show they're watching, where a magic interdimensional being can turn the world into a child's drawing on Cyborg's grandma's fridge, they are not at all primed to read a deep sexual abuse story from it the show writers did not write.
Y'all just want to be so serious and grave about a cartoon network cartoon it's incredible. You're not even laying out an argument from events in the show but using seperate media to invoke child abuse imagery as a one up to any differing opinion in the comment section, making any other opinion haver feel guilty.
@@billbill6094you really never read a single comic have you?
@@ninjafalls1739 You really never learned to read did you?
I remind you that a few episodes ago, Robin took down that one dude who absorbed a bunch of powers
I really wish we had like 2-3 episodes with Terra before she revealed she was Slades apprentice. We were robbed of not seeing more of her. 😢
Yeah in hindsight her moments felt too quick like not much time to breath with her meeting the Titans and getting placed on the team then betraying them.
@@AL7249 weather it be slice-of-life episodes or action episodes, we should have gotten more.
@@sailormoon0507 yeah lol. Like just like a comment above about Terra not deserving forgiveness, I kinda agree tbh. Like yes she was manipulated and taken advantage of but just seeing how she acts in episode 12 to 13 is kinda jarring. Like bitch you took over a city and NOW want your friends you betrayed to care about you!
@@AL7249 Yes. If we had seen more of her friendship with the titans and saw more of how she handled her trauma/power control it would’ve been easier to forgive her.
@@sailormoon0507 yeah exactly. Kinda better than comics Terra though lol. Well less sad since she still has some autonomy when she went out and not victim blamed.
The Raven and Terra fight definitely felt personal 😂. Terra wasted no time taking out Starfire, Beast Boy and Cyborg, but when it comes to Raven, she wanted to mess with her. I know Raven was super satisfied dropping a freakin bus on her 😂
They should have animated a small smile on raven at that moment.
@@SonicMegaKingLOL I see what you're doing.
@@SonicMegaKingWell in Teen Titans Go! They did establish a love triangle with Raven, Beast Boy and Terra 😂
@@OmarO_721 yes
(At 37:05) At this point, it looks like Terra's too scared to make the right choice, because she thinks she's beyond saving. Hell, she looked like she would have been all right if any one of Titans killed her, just to stop her from killing Beast Boy.
I think it’s important to consider that Terra didn’t join Slade for power she joined him for the chance to actually control her powers and because, from her perspective, the Titans betrayed her trust.
She fell into a toxic relationship with Slade where he gave her what he promised and built her up but only in the context of being HIS apprentice all while constantly undermining her faith in the Titans and claiming they’ll never trust her.
Even in the last episode we saw her she hasn’t fallen completely under his spell, she was doing what he said because he held this power over her but still felt bad and specifically took Beast Boy on a date so he wouldn’t get caught up in it. It’s only when the Titans, understandably, cut her off completely that she allowed herself to be fully indoctrinated.
I like the approach this series takes, such as the fact that the protagonists don’t always win their battles the first time around and then later on, they succeed in their second bout with the antagonists. It’s very realistic for storytelling.
I feel like that's pretty common for animated tv shows that involve fighting. Lilo and Stitch The Series, for example, also does that a lot.
@@augustrempelewert4377 Does that a lot? That's pretty much how the show runs. I always questioned as a kid why Stitch who was built up as Jumba's greatest creation, has so much trouble taking down each one of the others every episode.
Really feel like you guys missed the whole point of Terra's arc. She was super insecure and it was implied her powers either killed people on accident or caused massive destruction. When she felt betrayed and alone, Slade stepped in, picking up this teenager with no home or family. He proceeded to groom her. Those creepy and disturbing undertones that make your skin crawl, a ceremony that almost sounds like marriage/cult like words, the way he had power over her, its extremely dark. She felt guilty betraying the teen titans at first, but beast boy told her she had no friends and she spiraled, going back to slade fully and becoming a full villain before her redemption. The mindless flip-flopping as you called it is probably because the show sped through a lot with Terra and much is implied, but there is enough there to get what you need to know while keeping it kid friendly enough.
It's amazing how braindead and media illiterate those people are
Terra is basically what Dick Grayson would have become if Batman hadn't took him in and raised him. Terra is what happens to kids when they have no guidance and end up in the wrong hands.
It kind of makes sense why Slade moved up to being a Batman villain because he's the very reason Batman chooses to raise kids because if he doesn't they will just end up with someone like Slade who will corrupt their innocence and use them for whatever.
Slade actually canonically died here, no escape tricks this time
To be fair for Ronnie Rancid beating Robin in the beginning.
Robin has 0 super powers, and while being trained in martial arts, excels moreso at detective work, and ambush strategies.
Batman and Robin use the opponents mentality against them (scaring them, egging them on, ect).
Robin is not trash I have the upmost respect for how he deals with himself alone I am very offended that you would call him trash😢
I think they meant when it comes to brute strength. No need to get offended
@@Dark-Wolf27 i was being sarcastic 😂 I didn’t take the comment seriously I was playing along with how they said the comments will get
@@Dark-Wolf27 He specifically referred to his leadership then listed off several things that weren't true. Stop using the word offended to silence any discourse.
This show doesn’t do too good a job at showing how smart and strong robin is it’s kinda annoying. They also nerf raven a lot as well
@user-xv1sr3uy7p I mean that like how batman doesn't always win his fight. He's not perfect he will make mistakes and he learns from them like we all do. That why the batfamily are very loved their human and make human mistakes
any animosity i hold towards terra is rendered null on all levels when you insert the fact she is a 15 year old child. i can be disappointed in her but i could never place FULL blame on her actions
The comedic timing between “they may be worried about killing her” and the Titans dropping a fucking bus on her head could not have been more perfect
Terra is character here I feel very neutral about, like I don’t hate her but I also don’t consider a favorite either. Like she’s definitely aware that what she did was horrible, she excepted that and decided to at least do one last good thing in her life by sacrificing herself to save the titans and the city. Like she’s a HEAVENLY flawed human being with such an intense super power like that and I can’t at least help but feel sympathy for her towards the end.
ALSO we gotta acknowledge Ashley Johnson’s voice acting performance in that last episode, like she is AMAZING✨
It feels kinda weird blaming Terra, a teen, for basically being groomed (to the side of evil), but maybe thats just me idk.
im glad im not the only one feeling incredibly uncomfortable that we are just cool with slade being super creepy [not like we see them call him an asshole or bastard, etc] but terra, whos like a young teen girl with severe trauma and is currently being groomed by said guy is being called a bitch and more. it puts a really bad taste in my mouth...
Honestly I feel like she would've been more sympathetic if we saw her trauma and time spent with the Titans. It all felt too fast like literally when given the communicator, her betrayal is hinted at. It's sad and I feel bad for Terra but maybe not act surprised when your friends are pissed at you and being like "can we talk?"
@@AL7249 I can agree it's a little poorly written at that part, but it doesn't change the way I feel to them reacting to these episodes by going on about her being a bitch and stuff. It just feels like everything else that happened went entirely over their heads? Her character arc is very quickly paced and rushed and you really don't have to love Terra as a character but the reactions felt like A Lot.
I felt her trauma was pretty obvious, but it's a lot of Implies and hints then blatantly telling the audience.
@@misxfit9605 Yes! Exactly! It felt rushed and kinda sad. It's no where near Judas Contract but still pretty fucked up and honestly more sad. Her being taken advantage of and manipulated is pretty out there and obvious. I feel bad for her situation and wish it was better even if a part of me feels like things could've been done differently. No sympathy cause of how it was written and how quick her personality changed. Or her just dropping the mask. Just would've liked if she was treated with more respect and understanding.
And tbf they're reacting that way due to how she acts in between the episodes, going from pissed and vengeful almost gleeful in her destruction of her former friends to wanting forgiveness the second they show back up and really nessd her up. It makes it feel like any chances they gave would've been squandered due to the betrayal and lack of trust. They're reacting to what's happening, I feel kinda odd to but I get it. Even if she was manipulated, she still has chances to come clean. Its just too bad that TERRA herself didn't see them. Honestly I'm lol feeling more pissed at Slade because while people talk about Judas Contract, people KNOW it's bad and yet praise this when it's more creepy due to the implications of abuse and lack of autonomy given to her along with her arc getting rushed.
I teared up because it triggered me not to be sensitive at all, but I don't understand why there's so much blame on her when I thought it was apparent she was really naive and he was manipulating her the whole time? some of her insults don't seem genuine, even though i understand what she did was bad
Always loved the Raven Tera fight. Iconic scene for the series.
Hiding in the fog!? Batman would be proud.
Terra felt betrayed because she didn't have control of her powers at first. Just as we learn in the first episode, she always tried to do good with them but unintentionally did bad by accidentally making avalanches, earthquakes and mudslides and Slade said that the Titans wouldn't trust her or understand. That Beast Boy would betray her even though he promised he wouldn't tell anyone in the team that she couldn't control her powers, which he found out by accident and that again, Terra was trying to keep secrets.
So when Robin admitted he knew she couldn't control her powers, Terra believed that Beast Boy broke his promise. The first and only friends she ever had were traitors in her eyes. THAT is why she turned to Slade. And it's why during her fight with Robin, Terra said "I'm just never going to be good enough for you, am I?" in a bitter way. As a callback to that. None of this excuses what Terra has done but narratively it all fits and makes sense. It's not convenience.
And even if you don't agree with that? Guess what, in the original comics it's worse. Terra tries to destroy the Teen Titans just because they're superheroes and she hates superheroes for absolutely no explained reason whatsoever. I'm pretty sure you can all agree that comic book Terra is way worse written than cartoon series Terra, regardless of how you guys (especially Bree) might feel about the latter. Blackfire is way worse than Terra because unlike her, Blackfire has absolutely no redeeming qualities of any kind.
She ran away and joined Slade because she assumed Beast Boy, her best friend and crush, revealed a secret she confided in him earlier. First of all, he didn't reveal anything, she was mistaken. Robin just figured out her secret on his own, because it was pretty obvious to him. Terra never confronted Robin or Beast Boy about her suspicions directly, she just jumped to conclusions, and in the height of her emotionally charged state, she ran away before anybody had a chance to clear things up. Secondly, all 5 of the Titans accepted her into their group the first time they met, EVEN AFTER they found out about her secret (that she can't control her powers and has accidently caused natural disasters). She was so upset about having her secret exposed that she missed the fact that everyone was ok with it, they still accepted her anyway. Lastly, they also offered to help train her how to control her powers. Her decision to join Slade and betray them all was not remotely justified.
23:37 that moment you realize ravens eyebrows are another set of eyes
Yeah, Slade is incredibly creepy in these episodes.
He completely manipulated and abused a 16 year old girl and eliminated her bodily autonomy-controlling her from the inside out. It’s so gross.
*14.
And to think this is the PG version. He does much worse to her in the comics.
And this isn't even the full pedo one
this is why i like to differentiate between slade and deathstroke.
@@Pherretfish Deathstroke committed statutory with her in the comics. You can't run from it.
Man the way Starfire saved Robin is insane. Like she could hear it coming and saved her man
Fun Fact: with Nosyarg Kcid/Larry there's also a version for Batman called "Batmite" that has the exact same powers. They're both Robin and Batmans super fans and is basically the equivalent of someone to a comic book artist or a cartoonist where they can create whatever they want to help their favorite characters. In other words they can break the forth wall with these cartoon characters!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they also related to a certain 4th dimensional pest to Superman who also has a thing about his name when spelled/said backwards?
@@Mrryn The Bizzaro Universe?
@@ShadyRK9 Nah, Mr. Mxyzptlk
@@Mrryn
Not the 5th dimention?
@@KimFareseed Ah thank you, I was a dimension off lol
After reading the comics I can safely say that I prefer the way they handled Terra story and character in this show, I do not miss Slade being... if you know you know
Let's just say "My control. Your body." Was more then just _worded_ uncomfortably...
The thing is Terra was literally a victim of emotional manipulation and physical abuse. I think it was probably hard to flesh that out more in a child friendly way lol
Exactly, Terra wasn't really a bad guy. She was just a broken person and was insecure with her powers.
(At 34:53) then Robin drop the ball and Terra "blame" Beast Boy for breaking her promise.
I'm surprised her brother, GeoForce wasn't involved in this series, but wasn't brought up in the Teen Titans Series comics.
There were lots of characters that weren't involved in this series that I wish were.
@@Lupinemancer87 like one of the other founding teen Titans that didn't appear on the series… "Wonder Girl"
If I remember correctly, the first founders of the Teen Titans were:
1) Richard "Dick" Grayson (Robin)
2) Roy Harper (Speedy)
3) Garth (Aqualad)
4)Wally West (Kid Flash)
and
5) Donna Troy (Wonder Girl).
Donna Troy has different continuity sometimes.
@@kailevil3444 donna actually appeared in some cameo here and there during season 5 am just guessing 1 she was too strong (she is ) and 2 they really didn't want to piss off wonder woman because that woman will kill you
@@painvillegaming4119 I see! Thank you very much for telling, it has been a lot of years since seeing the show so I didn't know.(Also didn't know her at that time.)
32:02 That version of Slade and Deathstroke have one thing in common, they both abused Terra. But Slade’s abuse is worse.
Eeeh debatable all things considered
In terras defense, she was a 14 year old girl who was groomed by a man in his 40's (give or take). Like, not even considering the comics (which are just flat out sexual abuse towards terra) she was STILL in a position where she was coerced into doing this by an adult she trusted.
At least THIS Terra didn't sleep with Slade Wilson (Deathstroke).
I mean Terra was still a teenager like 16 or something, she was a kid that did some bad stuff but she didn't kill anyone or something of that level, in the end she sacrificed herself, I think that is a good reason to not hate her but feel bad for her. But you know, women hate women it's just a fact of life lol...
I mean she could just be mad that Terra was trusted and betrayed them. And tried to kill them along with actually taking over the city for Slade. She can just be mad at that and chose not to forgive him.
Women hate women? i don't hate other women for being born the same sex as me that's actually really stupid, most girls aren't like this which is good lol i think id have a heart attack if most girls were like this, but i don't really like Bree now, I've read the comics and watched this and the amount of times manipulation corrosion and blatant abuse that was shown and she still.. blamed terra which is a year younger than me? like what are they on when they watched this, i don't even want to watch their channel anymore knowing this is how they view abuse and victim blamed the whole time when slade is the villain of the show 😭 cartoon of not this reflects what they think in real life and i cannot watch someone who's going to blame vitcims of abuse manipulation and worse when they're not even an adult that's so stupid. I wish they would actually address shit instead of telling people throughout videos there RUclips comments are "annoying" when they're the ones that need to genuinely take accountability for some of the things they say, usually they are right, but this isn't and i want them to like.. not blame her for everything? half of that is SLADES fault, she's only partially to blame.
Still Bree was doing too much in these reactions like damn we get it you dont like her lol @@AL7249
@@mar420.74totally agree
Literally no other character besides Robin says “Titans, Go!” He literally gives them orders😭
Slade really said " Her body, my choice" 😂, its astounding just how creepy he sounds we really missed things as kids.
5:54 correction Dc being doing multiverse all the way back in the 60s
I think yall are being a bit too harsh on Terra. Sure she betrayed them, but dont forget it was all Slade s fault manipulating her and planting ideas on her head. Anyways she still remains as the most complex and interesting character of this whole series to me
34:53: She was turned out all her life and was abused and she felt they lied to her! To her, the titans betrayed her and were making fun of her for not having her powers under her control
Everyone: "I feel so bad."
Bree: Nah fuck her
Man they really do like to hold grudges.
Calling Robin trash depite seeing what he was capable of when he was Red X and just a few episodes ago. You're about to be heading into season 3 and you still taking Robin as a joke?
@@SonicMegaKing You're complaining of his Ws and how unrealistic it was for him to not break his leg in a cartoon that's ignored a lot of rules of reality? What are you going to be pissed at how he didn't die after he was out of the plane in space when he was asking Starfire of getting married?
@@SonicMegaKingRobin is weak compared to whom? Are you really just comparing his capabilities to the rest of the group? He's clearly the only one without superpowers or cybernetic enhancements. What else is he supposed to do? What do you think the extent of his limitations should be?
@@SonicMegaKingare you seriously trying to apply logic to a cartoon🤨
The Larry episode is the sole reason that I demand reactors to watch this intro. The straight up confusion at this change is absolutely hilarious
We finished Robin Season arc, We finished Terra Season arc.
Now it's time for Cyborg Season arc, *BOOYAH!!!*
Yea, this adaptatiom def was waaaaay better than the actual Judas Contract comic story. Aside from the much creepier Deathstroke and Terra sexual relationship, Terra was genuinely just awful.
@@levangiorgadze5842 Dude everything in the New 52 adaptation and afterwards have been watched and forgotten. That whole animated universe was very forgettable for me. I still think DC's strongest DC films/adaptations came before the New 52 animated universe.
Bruh now they have to react to the judas contract
15:51 The Magic Conch, omgosh, lol! That’s awesome!😆
2:25 I don't think hierarchy of administrative calls and tactical decisions is supposed to come down to who punches hardest.
S-Tier manipulation
Larry is Robin's version of Batmite who is a 5th dimensional character who can warp reality and are usually seen as nuisance in the comics. All DC characters have one but the most well known are Batmite (Batman's Greatest Fan) and Mister Mxyzptlk (Superman's Worst Enemy). Even Scooby got one in a team up comic book.
The Larry episode is probably the weirdest in the series, and you’d think the Justice League would get involved, even if the reality warping was confined to just the area around the city.
Am just assuming superman is like “Naaa guys it just probably mister MXY better to ignore him “
Larry. Could literally zap the justice league out of temporary existence
@@mckenzie.latham91 Didn't Batmite actually try to do that in a Batman comic book or Brave and The Bold series?
The barrel that knocked out Worf would have reduced Robin to atoms.
The magic conch truly is the best addition to these guys' reactions. Praise the magic conch!
Lololololoololol 👅👅👅👅
Larry is based on Bat-Mite who actually is DC'S version of a Imp. He's a 5th dimension being who can warp reality and is Batman's number one fan. Since they couldn't use Batman or anything Batman related on the show they created Larry. Similar to Mister Mxyzptlk, a Superman villain who is also form the 5th dimension, his name is backwards. They can't be defeated in battle, only banished to their dimension. To do that you have to make them say the their own name backwords.
RAVEN WASN'T PLAYING WITH THAT BUS BRO😂
I watched this before I knew it was based on the Judas Contract story. I really prefer this version
I didn’t expect Terra to pull a Majin Vegeta at the end
4:37 When Robin said accidents don't happen to him, he's referring to when mobsters killed his family via sabotage.
So I'm just gonna tell y'all right now, that WAS the real Slade. He is LEGITIMATELY DEAD. Which is fucking crazy.
I get the anger towards Terra, but geeeeeez!
Also Larry TOTALLY is the one behind Teen Titans Go.
2:07 never forget the Warf effect
Oh god the Mites, why is it always the Mites? Well, technically they're imps, trickster entities from a fifth dimension (cartoon physics). Superman has the most famous imp who is a bit more sinister, chaotic and very hard to pronounce, Mr. Mxyzptlk (and the only way to banish them is to say their name backwards), but this one is just a riff on Bat-Mite, an imp superfan of Batman who keeps trying to tag along and often does more harm than good, Dick does have a mite not sure if it's the same as Bat-Mite but he goes by Mitewing
"Creepy" - I mean it was worse in the comics they were banging.
Terra was fully off the deep end, gotta get that 'we trusted you' fight out of the way of course, but unlike the comics, Terra is convinced to turn on Slade, making the heroic sacrifice but I can see why it can feel a little unearned
I'm calling them rob-mites cause there now a night- mite of nightwing this was
canon
Watching these guys talk about lore is like putting your grandma to watch one piece
I am so sad you guys hated Terra, she's my favorite character 😭 I don't think you caught on to how dark and twisted her story really is. Oh well 🥲
No really, one of my favorite things about this arc is the fact that Terra really does just kill the shit outta Slade. As cool and menacing a character he is, the implications were very much present - if not as overt in the comics. He groomed her hard, turned her into a monster, and she got him back for it. He does eventually come back in the series… but he has to be brought from beyond the grave.
In some ways Terra reminds me a little of Annie from attack on Titan, except the story doesn’t frame her like she’s just a hot victim of persecution who deserves mercy and remorse after showing none whatsoever to her victims, AND when Terra freezes herself for 3 seasons, she at least did it to punish herself and keep the world safe from her power… I know it’s a different type of show and AoT is seen as “adult” and “nuanced” but IMO the actual psychology of making selfish choices is actually much better thought out here. Like I get it that Annie is supposed to have been groomed and brainwashed, but she was also given 5 years to basically be all on her own, and somehow she just REMAINED fully loyal and never once changed her outlook, which is fucking astonishing and almost impossible considering her circumstances. Annie stands in utter spite of the concepts of karma or hubris, because the author had an obvious creepy obsession with her himself, and refused to let her “already perfect” character develop in any way, when to NOT develop her basically meant she was morally indefensible, and got nothing but rewarded for it…
Everytime Robin's alone he gets beat? Robin alone took down all the Titans all singlehandedly multiple times, took down a villain with Titan and non-Titan powers, took down all of Slade's minions so fast the other Titans didn't get a lick in, etc. The entire team without him usually loses, that's been happening since episode 1.
"He's not a good one" bro has not been paying attention.
I don’t think anyone has said this but in the comics the Terra and slade thing was way creepier
I definitely prefer the master-student direction they went with here. I know it's for obvious reasons but it's way better than Terra falling in love with Slade 😫.
And it's not just the comics, the Judas Contract movie even showed it, and even Slade looked uncomfortable. Like Terra is clearly a minor, and Slade is at least 45+
@@OmarO_721 Yeah you’re right I forgot about that one
@@OmarO_721yeah the comics and the movie had their relationship be more intimate with Slade grooming her. Least in the movie he actually didn't look interested and uncomfortable instead of just screwing her.
Beast boy said it before deku “it’s your power not his”
I wonder if Larry knows Bat-mite?
Is… is he Bat-mite’s sidekick…?
@@JAnne_Bonne its possible I don't know though. They are both reality warping beings.
I forgot they deadass got sent to the chalk zone in that first episode
In a series full of bank robbers, fighters who like to fight, and people who want to take over mwuhahaha, Terra is probably the most complex villain in the whole show.
Boom ragging on Bree for hating women will NEVER get old, makes me chuckle every damn time 😂
I think its interesting that people hatebon Terra because of her first iteration, yet give the rest of the titans a pass even though a few of them had just as troubling initial iterations.
Namely Raven and OG Starfires backstory that is just.....wrong.
It’s not just Terra. When hits happen, unless they are robots in this show it’s sorta hidden when the screen flashes. In the finale for season 1, whenever Robin or Slade hit each other, the screen flashes white to hide the actual physical contact. It’s just a censorship thing from the shows time.
Y'all gotta give Robin some more credit. There is a reason why he, the only member of the team who has no powers, is the leader of said team. He is the equivalent to what Batman is to the Justice League; no powers, but wicked smart and a terrifying strategist, able to come up with plans on the fly and analyze the bad guys for any weaknesses. His agility and combat prowess is just the cherry on top. Let's not forget that when Robin was Red X, he had an exact counter for each of the Titans' powers that stopped them dead in their tracks. If he thought about how to counter his own teammates, how much do you think he's thought about how to counter the actual villains?
The Larry slander is unforgivable
@33:10 Cool Bat-Family Members don’t look back at explosions, or bad guys! (LOL)
Deathstroke was an absolute menace in many storyline in the comics like stealing the speedforce from the flash
Ready for Teen Titans season 3 Deception
As a kid, I laughed thinking Larry is Batmite's cousin. Now knowing he is truly the Robin of that world there makes me stop laughing.
The magic conch reading took me all the way OUT! LMAOOO
A big part of it is all the problems Terra had in the beginning before she even met the Teen Titans and Slade because of her powers that she couldn't control. She did bad things but the girl of reactions definitely exaggerates, the character understood her mistakes (due to a hard life and well we're talking about a teenager anyway) and redeemed herself at the cost of her life. It's true that she only sided against Slade when he lost his free will, but instead sacrificing her life wasn't something that suited her in any way
17:45 yoooo Starfire 🔥🔥🔥
3:32 - That's a certified Road Rash moment right there.
If you've played any of em, you know damn well what I'm talkin' about.
10:34 - _"Vegeta, he stole your 'do!"_
The fact he said "Kevin11" 😂
Speaking of which: 18:03 reminds me of Charmcasters beings.
(At 39:05) Yes, he's dead… for now.
I can’t be the only one who thinks that episode has the same vibes as that uncle grandpa and Steven universe cross over even tho that one is better because it’s actually funny and not confusing
Robin was straight up winning a 1v4 against the other titans, he ain't ass alone
Terra craves approval and affection, slade gave her that in order to control her and her desperation to keep his approval is why she betrayed the titans
As for the creepy way slade talks, that's actually intentional, in the original comicbook storyline slade groomed Terra and the relationship was overtly sexual in nature, that aspect of their dynamic is thankfully mostly removed in the show but there are overtones hinting to it in how he speaks
I've always wondered, what is even the benefit of villains wanting to take over a city? it just doesn't seem like there are any logical reasons for it lol
Beast boy went from a simp boy to Revenge Boy
Basically their first battle with Terra resulted on them losing since they still see her as their friend. They won in the second since they now see her as criminal
28:31 the audacity. You could easily tell the Titans were fighting her a lot differently than from Part I.
Also, I really wanna see what was happening in the writers’ room for that episode introducing Larry. Er I’m sorry, Nosyarg Kcid.
Lol I love how anime has created these expectations and I'm so hype for the reveal
This episode and the Batmite episode of Brave and the Bold use to be my favorite
I mean like, Robin is very clearly the leader of the Teen Titans. He's just not the strongest member or necessarily the best fighter. I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive in this show. If anything, I think most of the time, the show tries to present the case that they all work to their best ability as a team, and sometimes that means they fail when they take on enemies individually. They're also still teenagers, if that counts for anything.
I was so surprised at how hyped I was that we got the Larry episode. It’s a true hood classic.
29:49 i wasnt expecting this i screamed 😂😂😂