Gods plan means giving us what we need, so wisely and subtly it happens without our knowledge. Gods plan. Natural law, look that up. Christian perfection is what we must seek.
This is a very evangelical answer. So let me report that recently I was at a small Quaker gathering which discussed the nature of god. And there was not one attender who was a theist, including me. But we all consider ourselves faithful Quakers. So there is a wide spectrum quite accepted. The big difference for me is that Quakers have open-ended Queries not boxed in Creeds. That is what drew me in, whereas closed belief-systems keep me out.
@@derekaitken Most quakers talking about god do not mean a personal god as described in the old testament. What they're referring to is a divine quality that is inherent in love, truth, compassion, conviction... So yes, you can be an atheist quaker. Though I recommend pantheism, which is basically atheism viewed from a spiritually optimistic perspective ;)
From a teenage Catholic / evangelistic familial background, I veered toward mindfulness meditation with profound benefits at 45. I recently discovered online the quiet Quaker sessions with great delight. However, the mention of "God" or "Jesus" remains enmeshed with "shoulds", fears, menace ... I was happily amazed of one of your vid in which a muslim was also declaring himself convincingly a Quaker. Still, the Quaker in this vid radiates sympathetic goodness one would love to get close of.
Brilliant Gregg! .. I am a Quaker in the UK and came from a very similar evangelical Christian background. Quakerism set me free and drew me so much closer to Jesus Christ. and into a loving Quaker community. Thank you for your video. So encouraging!
I want to be a Quaker , I got involved with the evangelistic born again Christian fundamentalists it was the ruin of my belief and I walked away but what I see in Quakers are true Christians and I like that .
@@nasticanasta How do you think Quakers are a cult? From what I can tell, they seem to be the exact opposite of one (no central leader, open-ended beliefs, and for the most part, little pressure to stay a part of the group, etc). Maybe we have a different definition of cult?
@@nasticanasta Its a less damaging cult, at the very least. Say what you will about Quakers, but they don't really go out of their way to condemn someone about anything. The Quaker belief hinges more on spirituality than ritualistic religion. And you don't even have to be a theist to be a Quaker.
This is a very orthodox / pastoral answer. Many Quakers come from a Hicksite point of view and don't put much emphasis on Christ, Sin, or the bible. It's just a book. Silence, letting your life speak, and listening to that small inner voice are all far more to the core of many Quaker's belief.
This is all awesome stuff. Amen. There are ways that Quakers differ from other groups. I think the Quaker way is better. I am glad this guy changed from Evengelical to Quaker and it worked out for him. I am not an Evengelical fan to be honest. I think a quiet modest Quaker church would be better than a loud bombastic mega church. I also like that the guy said about Quakers not being blinded by nationalism. I like that, and that is refreshing. Being patriotic is a good thing. However some people will take it too far and get a side effect of xenophobia. Xenophobia is not cool. I like that the Quakers were historically supportive of the blacks and Americans. I like how they supported soldiers in war without fighting themselves. That is the right thing to do. Quakers and Pentacostals both access God directly, but they do so in vastly different ways. I like the Quaker way better. It is so much calmer and more dignified. A major thing about Quaker is that they lack authority. That was the number one thing on the video. I like that. It is really appealing to me. The polar opposite is the Catholics. There are things I like and dislike about the Catholics. I am not a fan of the authority of the clergy. This guys doesn't like to be called reverend, and that is good for him. You know what would be even worse? Being called the pope. Yikes! Quakers and Catholics would be on opposite sides of a spectrum of authority. I could fill out some middle ones. There can be a spectrum of conservative groups with more order to radical groups with more freedom. This would be Catholic, East Orthodox, Lutherin, Babtist and Quaker. For me the more radical the better. Going to far in this direction would cause anarchy and chaos, which is really bad and scary. However the Quakers are not there at all. They show a strong moral code with how they treat others so well. They also show a lot of self control when they are quiet and calm in thier church services.
I would recommend looking into anarchism. Far from what your preconceived notion may be, it's not at all about chaos, but instead about communal sharing and resistance to oppressive structures. For me, it harmonizes perfectly with quakerism. Tolstoy's book 'The Kingdom of God is Within You' is basically an anarchist manifesto.
I went to Friends School which is a Quaker School as a child and weekly attended “meetings “ weekly while attending school. All of this has left a lifetime impression on my life. I search out anything Quaker and on finding this posting I was so proud to have Quaker in my past. I truly believe in everything that was said in this video and I hope to find and attend a meeting soon we all need this peace in our lives that only God can provide.
Donnamarie Reese cool I went there too the scattergood friends school in west branch Iowa right ? IT is was one of the best and Unique schools I have ever attended .
I have no denomination, yet all of those aspects are also tops in my brand of Christianity. These are simply apart of Christianity in general, or should be.... if not, find out why..;..
This man's message doesn't speak Quakerism to me. It is too closed and Christ focussed. There are many 'paths' to God, and Quakerism is a large, inclusive and all embracing faith.
Go along with most of your top ten. Went to a Quaker meeting but no one spoke for the whole hour. Were we just individuals meditating, where was God's Spirit did he turn up? In the meeting there did not seem a communal spirit just individuals looking inward. Will try again next week.
@helena ouch. @Noreen did you go back? all silent meetings can be hard to "break into." I find attending meetings several times usually gives one the flavor. Also if it's been a year, it may be different. If not, are there others you can attend?
why do quakers say they believe in jesus the don't really know who they are? but quakers say they are quakers. god made twelve tribes named Judah , levi , Benjamin , simeon , zebulon , Ephraim , Manasseh , gad , reuben, nephthali , asher and Issachar in the old testament. those tribes is every one but when people started to worship other gods that's when we forgot who we were and now every one call their self gentals , polpes, muslims , rastafarians and quakers but if god made those tribes that we are why are we being called gentals , polpes , muslims , rastafarians , and quakers ? you are being labeld but when god made those tribes we were being labeld in his name.
Top 10 ... but, nothing even remotely mentioning Jesus' all atoning sacrifice for sins on the cross, Jesus as "the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me," nothing stating "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord' and you will be saved." These are all truths from the Bible -- some of the main points that distinguish Bible believing Christians from other denominations and religions. The Jesus of Islam is not the Son of God, nor is it acceptable in this religion to believe he was crucified on the cross for the sins of the world. If God allows all paths of "doing good" in having a relationship with Him, there was never a need for Jesus. Jesus as "nothing more than a nice teacher" is palatable to those who reject Jesus as the Son of God and Savior of the world. There is no true justice and reconciliation apart from Jesus -- "there is no other name given to people under Heaven by which we can be saved" -- another truth from the Bible. The sentiments expressed in this video are nothing more than feel good points which can be accepted by most people in the world, yet the world hates Jesus and his message. The man in this video shows his true friendship with the world, not as a follower of Jesus Christ and His Great Commission. When anyone confesses and teaches this truth, he can live out real justice and reconciliation through the God of Heaven: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hello! I'm the man in this video, and the beautiful thing is, Jesus is the one who decides if I am his follower, not you. Nothing in what I said in this video reflects the things you draw from it. Nor do these 10 things contain everything I believe about Jesus...they are the top ten reasons I'm a Quaker. But if you're willing, listen again to #9 and #1. My hope is for all to experience a living, transforming relationship with God through Jesus. I don't see any need to deny our sins and faults...nor do I see any need to dwell there when we have (to use language more familiar to you) a living Savior, whose Spirit desires to reconcile us and live in us completely.
@@gkoskela what if Jesus says renounce Quakerism and you become Christian. Do you leave Quakers and become Christian? Because Christ said there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female - ye are one in Christ Jesus. So there is no Quaker division. According to Christ you are either Christian according to his judgement, or you are not.
@@tim-williams Hello Tim. Your comment comes from such a different perspective than I have. First, in how I live it, Quaker and Christian aren’t different camps. I don’t have to leave Quakers to be Christian. Second, I read the Galatians passage very differently. You are using it to divide the “in” from the “out”, whereas Paul wrote it to unify the body of Christ who were in factions (“some follow Cephas, some follow Apollos,” etc). Third, you seem to be trying to test my commitment to Jesus. My commitment to Christ has withstood decades and pain and broken community and has never been stronger. I have no fear of someone’s questions and know where I stand with Christ. Finally, this was a video by a Quaker and for a Quaker, where I was sharing how I’ve experienced God through Quaker community and practice. It’s my experience, my joy, my testimony. If it’s helpful to some, wonderful! If it’s unhelpful to you, you are free to move on to something that is.
Hummm... "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world. If anyone love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." I think that your focus might be a little off. If you are here to be a testimony to the saving work of Jesus Christ Who saves people "out of this world", that is the correct focus. The world itself cannot be saved. It is clearly under judgment. The wrath of God abides on it.
Hello! I disagree, and I disagree because of scripture. One key place is Ephesians 1:9-10: "He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment-to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ."
Adisa Argani, why yes. Pray for the kingdom of Christ upon the earth. When He returns it will be so. Until that day this earth is under the judgment of God for the rejection of His Son.
@@Saratogan Under your logic life is a waste of time. You have made a fundamental error in your understanding of Christ's mission to transform the world, through the Spirit, which we all have access to.
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Gods plan means giving us what we need, so wisely and subtly it happens without our knowledge. Gods plan. Natural law, look that up. Christian perfection is what we must seek.
This is a very evangelical answer. So let me report that recently I was at a small Quaker gathering which discussed the nature of god. And there was not one attender who was a theist, including me. But we all consider ourselves faithful Quakers. So there is a wide spectrum quite accepted. The big difference for me is that Quakers have open-ended Queries not boxed in Creeds. That is what drew me in, whereas closed belief-systems keep me out.
I can be an atheist quaker then?
@@derekaitken Yes there is a non-theist group of Quakerism - nontheist-quakers.org.uk/about/
@@derekaitken Most quakers talking about god do not mean a personal god as described in the old testament. What they're referring to is a divine quality that is inherent in love, truth, compassion, conviction... So yes, you can be an atheist quaker. Though I recommend pantheism, which is basically atheism viewed from a spiritually optimistic perspective ;)
From a teenage Catholic / evangelistic familial background, I veered toward mindfulness meditation with profound benefits at 45. I recently discovered online the quiet Quaker sessions with great delight. However, the mention of "God" or "Jesus" remains enmeshed with "shoulds", fears, menace ... I was happily amazed of one of your vid in which a muslim was also declaring himself convincingly a Quaker.
Still, the Quaker in this vid radiates sympathetic goodness one would love to get close of.
Brilliant Gregg! .. I am a Quaker in the UK and came from a very similar evangelical Christian background. Quakerism set me free and drew me so much closer to Jesus Christ. and into a loving Quaker community. Thank you for your video. So encouraging!
I want to be a Quaker , I got involved with the evangelistic born again Christian fundamentalists it was the ruin of my belief and I walked away but what I see in Quakers are true Christians and I like that .
From one cult, straight into another, just like the Bible says.
@@nasticanasta How do you think Quakers are a cult? From what I can tell, they seem to be the exact opposite of one (no central leader, open-ended beliefs, and for the most part, little pressure to stay a part of the group, etc). Maybe we have a different definition of cult?
@@nasticanasta Its a less damaging cult, at the very least. Say what you will about Quakers, but they don't really go out of their way to condemn someone about anything. The Quaker belief hinges more on spirituality than ritualistic religion.
And you don't even have to be a theist to be a Quaker.
"Preach the gospel at all times. When necessary, use words."
This is a very orthodox / pastoral answer. Many Quakers come from a Hicksite point of view and don't put much emphasis on Christ, Sin, or the bible. It's just a book. Silence, letting your life speak, and listening to that small inner voice are all far more to the core of many Quaker's belief.
Yes, indeed.
This is all awesome stuff. Amen. There are ways that Quakers differ from other groups. I think the Quaker way is better. I am glad this guy changed from Evengelical to Quaker and it worked out for him. I am not an Evengelical fan to be honest. I think a quiet modest Quaker church would be better than a loud bombastic mega church. I also like that the guy said about Quakers not being blinded by nationalism. I like that, and that is refreshing. Being patriotic is a good thing. However some people will take it too far and get a side effect of xenophobia. Xenophobia is not cool. I like that the Quakers were historically supportive of the blacks and Americans. I like how they supported soldiers in war without fighting themselves. That is the right thing to do. Quakers and Pentacostals both access God directly, but they do so in vastly different ways. I like the Quaker way better. It is so much calmer and more dignified. A major thing about Quaker is that they lack authority. That was the number one thing on the video. I like that. It is really appealing to me. The polar opposite is the Catholics. There are things I like and dislike about the Catholics. I am not a fan of the authority of the clergy. This guys doesn't like to be called reverend, and that is good for him. You know what would be even worse? Being called the pope. Yikes! Quakers and Catholics would be on opposite sides of a spectrum of authority. I could fill out some middle ones. There can be a spectrum of conservative groups with more order to radical groups with more freedom. This would be Catholic, East Orthodox, Lutherin, Babtist and Quaker. For me the more radical the better. Going to far in this direction would cause anarchy and chaos, which is really bad and scary. However the Quakers are not there at all. They show a strong moral code with how they treat others so well. They also show a lot of self control when they are quiet and calm in thier church services.
I would recommend looking into anarchism. Far from what your preconceived notion may be, it's not at all about chaos, but instead about communal sharing and resistance to oppressive structures. For me, it harmonizes perfectly with quakerism. Tolstoy's book 'The Kingdom of God is Within You' is basically an anarchist manifesto.
I went to Friends School which is a Quaker School as a child and weekly attended “meetings “ weekly while attending school. All of this has left a lifetime impression on my life. I search out anything Quaker and on finding this posting I was so proud to have Quaker in my past. I truly believe in everything that was said in this video and I hope to find and attend a meeting soon we all need this peace in our lives that only God can provide.
Donnamarie Reese cool I went there too the scattergood friends school in west branch Iowa right ? IT is was one of the best and Unique schools I have ever attended .
@@user-kg2vy1mb6f there’s a school in Australia named Friends School, they may have been referring to this?
There are many Friends schools.
Thank you for this video. It has helped me see, that although I am not a member of a Quaker meeting, I am a Quaker.
quakers do seem pretty chill
I have no denomination, yet all of those aspects are also tops in my brand of Christianity. These are simply apart of Christianity in general, or should be.... if not, find out why..;..
Thank you God for directing me to this wonderful channel, and to being a Quaker ❤🙏 ✝️
Beautiful, thank you.
Christ Follower . thank you. I thought I was the only one who used that term
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This man's message doesn't speak Quakerism to me. It is too closed and Christ focussed. There are many 'paths' to God, and Quakerism is a large, inclusive and all embracing faith.
He explains that he has an evangelical background.
So do Quakers believe that all can have a relationship with Jesus without receiving Him as their Savior?
Most Quakers believe that all DO have a direct relationship with God.
And Quakers see him more as a teacher, a model of what we all should follow.
made me really curious
Greetings in Jesus´s name. I want to know more about Quakerism.
This man has great wisdom
Still sounds like an Evangelical to me.
thank you
Friend you spoke in truth.
Thank you for sharing your enthusiastic testimony on behalf of Quakers, Friends. You are a wonderful ambassador for the cause of Christ.
This is beautiful
Beautiful and true
Jmattendais a un dude qui parle de pourquoi il adore les Mr.Quaker #decu
I like quaker oats
Glory be tô God,!
Go along with most of your top ten. Went to a Quaker meeting but no one spoke for the whole hour. Were we just individuals meditating, where was God's Spirit did he turn up? In the meeting there did not seem a communal spirit just individuals looking inward. Will try again next week.
Look for the solution within yourself rather than pointing the finger at others.
Noreen Gilhespy Have you been again? Was it any different? I was considering joining but I am scared of not feeling like I am part of a community
@helena ouch. @Noreen did you go back? all silent meetings can be hard to "break into." I find attending meetings several times usually gives one the flavor. Also if it's been a year, it may be different. If not, are there others you can attend?
Love this man
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why do quakers say they believe in jesus the don't really know who they are? but quakers say they are quakers. god made twelve tribes named Judah , levi , Benjamin , simeon , zebulon , Ephraim , Manasseh , gad , reuben, nephthali , asher and Issachar in the old testament. those tribes is every one but when people started to worship other gods that's when we forgot who we were and now every one call their self gentals , polpes, muslims , rastafarians and quakers but if god made those tribes that we are why are we being called gentals , polpes , muslims , rastafarians , and quakers ? you are being labeld but when god made those tribes we were being labeld in his name.
Brasil.
Top 10 ... but, nothing even remotely mentioning Jesus' all atoning sacrifice for sins on the cross, Jesus as "the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me," nothing stating "believe in your heart and confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord' and you will be saved." These are all truths from the Bible -- some of the main points that distinguish Bible believing Christians from other denominations and religions. The Jesus of Islam is not the Son of God, nor is it acceptable in this religion to believe he was crucified on the cross for the sins of the world. If God allows all paths of "doing good" in having a relationship with Him, there was never a need for Jesus. Jesus as "nothing more than a nice teacher" is palatable to those who reject Jesus as the Son of God and Savior of the world. There is no true justice and reconciliation apart from Jesus -- "there is no other name given to people under Heaven by which we can be saved" -- another truth from the Bible. The sentiments expressed in this video are nothing more than feel good points which can be accepted by most people in the world, yet the world hates Jesus and his message. The man in this video shows his true friendship with the world, not as a follower of Jesus Christ and His Great Commission. When anyone confesses and teaches this truth, he can live out real justice and reconciliation through the God of Heaven: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hello! I'm the man in this video, and the beautiful thing is, Jesus is the one who decides if I am his follower, not you. Nothing in what I said in this video reflects the things you draw from it. Nor do these 10 things contain everything I believe about Jesus...they are the top ten reasons I'm a Quaker. But if you're willing, listen again to #9 and #1. My hope is for all to experience a living, transforming relationship with God through Jesus. I don't see any need to deny our sins and faults...nor do I see any need to dwell there when we have (to use language more familiar to you) a living Savior, whose Spirit desires to reconcile us and live in us completely.
@@gkoskela what if Jesus says renounce Quakerism and you become Christian. Do you leave Quakers and become Christian? Because Christ said there is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female - ye are one in Christ Jesus. So there is no Quaker division. According to Christ you are either Christian according to his judgement, or you are not.
@@tim-williams Hello Tim. Your comment comes from such a different perspective than I have. First, in how I live it, Quaker and Christian aren’t different camps. I don’t have to leave Quakers to be Christian. Second, I read the Galatians passage very differently. You are using it to divide the “in” from the “out”, whereas Paul wrote it to unify the body of Christ who were in factions (“some follow Cephas, some follow Apollos,” etc).
Third, you seem to be trying to test my commitment to Jesus. My commitment to Christ has withstood decades and pain and broken community and has never been stronger. I have no fear of someone’s questions and know where I stand with Christ. Finally, this was a video by a Quaker and for a Quaker, where I was sharing how I’ve experienced God through Quaker community and practice. It’s my experience, my joy, my testimony. If it’s helpful to some, wonderful! If it’s unhelpful to you, you are free to move on to something that is.
Well said and I agree but I don't think that his testimonial was world focused.
Hummm... "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world. If anyone love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." I think that your focus might be a little off. If you are here to be a testimony to the saving work of Jesus Christ Who saves people "out of this world", that is the correct focus. The world itself cannot be saved. It is clearly under judgment. The wrath of God abides on it.
Hello! I disagree, and I disagree because of scripture. One key place is Ephesians 1:9-10: "He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment-to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ."
what does the Lord's Prayer say?
'Your kingdom come
Your will be done
On EARTH as it is in the heavens'
Adisa Argani, why yes. Pray for the kingdom of Christ upon the earth. When He returns it will be so. Until that day this earth is under the judgment of God for the rejection of His Son.
@@Saratogan Under your logic life is a waste of time. You have made a fundamental error in your understanding of Christ's mission to transform the world, through the Spirit, which we all have access to.
Demonic