Bose system was only presented to the press in 2004, while the CL-Class went into production in 1999. Further, Mercedes introduced the technology back in 1991. Mercedes-Benz has continued to develop the system and is still in production today. Please take the time to read the video description above.
Yes, but personally, and I assume for most people, it does not matter the age of your product or design. What truly matters is this: is your product the absolute best? Does you product preform on par or better than the Bose? That is what people want to know.
In defense of Mercedes benz. I find this system to be well constructed and durable. the issues to me are some of the sensor location. In the R230 one sensor requires the removal of front passenger seat and carpet and YES even Stars has miss located the sensor under the passenger seat as being on the left transmission tunnel. System pressure is very high 190 bars [ ie. 190 bars X 14.5 psi =2755 PSI ] at those pressures dirt will compromise the sealing of the system O rings
@@kize32 The r230 and the other cars which use this system, the fluid used is hydraulic oil. pneumatics is air pressure not applicable to this case. I used pentosin ATF or CHF 11s; and the pressure was 3000 PSI
The main pump is controlled by pulsed electronic signals from the ABC module but the responsiveness of the system is enhanced by the main accumulator that provides adequate pressure stabilization despite pump fluctuations and demand spikes.Also front and aft pressure dampers that look like cannon balls provide ride integrity. Flushing of the system is needed periodically together with the [ rodeo ] exercise.
Not at all. Completely incorrect Chris. ABC is nice but less reliable than air matic. Also much more expensive to fix than airmatic. I would buy airmatic over abc all day long. I’ve got a high mileage s65 that has abc. That abc system is a nightmare
ABC is actually better sir. (Ive had multiple of both). The ABC needs its hydro fluid flushed once every now and then, and once in the lifetime of the car might need a new pump. The Airmatic fails sooner and is thousands for each of the four corners of the vehicle
POD is right! ABC was developed in time,when the electronics were not that reliable,but very costly. Car companies were competing who will come out with the latest gadget on the market..,and in few years we saw introduction of ESP,ABC,TCS,BAS,DSC and many,many more.. I used to have Mitsubishi Galant from 1992 with ECS (Electronic Controlled Suspension) The car was 20 years old and the system was still the original,never repaired or replaced,and the car had 370 000 km!!! So my question to Mercedes is...how it is possible a system similar to ABC,but with less sensors to work flawlessly 20 years and still works,and premium car maker as you are cant make something even close to it???!! My brother in law purchased S-klasse 400 CDI 2002 with ABC and in just 77 000 km went down on its "belly"??!! Should you guys maybe take some lessons of reliability from Mitsubishi,Lexus or Honda??!! Cause we dont need systems and inventions that work perfect just on paper and videos like these.Thank you.
Clearly you've never driven/been in a car with abc suspension because it's not even close in terms of performance/comfortability. All the abc horror stories you hear are either from people who don't own abc cars or people who buy old beat up and not properly maintained cars for under 10k. If properly maintained and cared for it will last a long long time and the ride quality is unmatched.
John karton hi. My name ist Daniel and i am from germany. Ich sell Mercedes abc parts, struts, valve Blocks and o-rings. Look at my eBay Account elsane. Greetings Daniel
40 years of research lol maybe because it was developed by Bose! Have a look at this video Bose Active Suspension - Leaping Lexus (Mercedes Benz we don't appreciate you bull shitting us)
Another dip-shit comment - they're different systems - Bose was developed in early 2000's??? ABC was first lol - fucking muppets commenting shit they know nothing about. Whats worse is they didn't even get it into production because its so expensive and heavy - Mercedes actually gets shit done
The single most stupidest thing that Mercedes could ever come up with. Citroen has been making this SHIT of a suspension system since the 50-ies with its never ending oil leaks, overall system fails - steering brakes clutch and suspension . Did they not do any research at all before introducing this stupid system. I mean what is wrong with simple airbag suspension or something like BMW dynamic drive, that thing seems to be more trouble free on my E60
Mercedes uses airmatic but Mercedes also invests in engineering principles to give more options to the customer. If you can't afford to maintain a luxury car you can't afford the luxury car and should sell it. The space shuttle (SL) needs more maintenance than a Cessna (E60).
@@ibrahimali3579 did you not watch the video ? This is NOT airmatic. This a complicated unreliable system just like SBC was, no wonder they have stopped using both. Luxury doesn’t mean you should get ripped off. Like bugatti owners. It’s just an engineering flop.
@@ibrahimali3579 and by the way my E60 with somewhat conventional suspension and dynamic drive handles just ss good if not better at some points than my e55 amg with airmatic and electronically controlled sport modes
@@chrisskljavinsh3966 just say you've never driven a nice SL550 with ABC2. Air suspension is way different and not as dynamic/capable as the fluid controlled struts.
@@ikaros4203 you’re absolutely right, I haven’t. Wanted a CL for a very long time, especially when they were cheap to buy, but that fancy hydraulic system has been the single biggest reason to put me off buying it. The other systems I mentioned before can get pricey for someone who’s not a millionaire but to repair ABC can easily go up to half of what the car is worth or more depending on the model. And correct me if I am wrong but none of the fancy , crazy handling, super, track etc etc cars use that type of suspension. Special design and electromagnetic components is what car makers use these days isn’t it ?
Soul Machines problem is that you need to replace the fluid and filters. Once you clog the system with dirt and run it for thousands of miles of coarse its going to break.
Yea when morons like you buy it and don't maintain - my S600 has 180000km on its ABC system, still goes mint because i service it!! Simple guys - if you're a cheapskate go buy a camry and stop watching these videos lol
@@JoseR88On my channel i have a video showing how to flush it using a cheap tool . You can do it yourself easily enough for $100-150 - if you get the dealer to do it , expect 3x that. Its very easy and will save you $$$ in the long run no doubt!
Bose system was only presented to the press in 2004, while the CL-Class went into production in 1999. Further, Mercedes introduced the technology back in 1991. Mercedes-Benz has continued to develop the system and is still in production today.
Please take the time to read the video description above.
Heavily inspired by the Citroën hydropneumatic suspension first presented in... 1955
If only Mercedes could test their cars like this again
this technology has alot of wear parts and expensive to maintain but helps two tons of S-class run like a sports sedan
Too epic. So glad I have the opportunity to own a CL
Yes, but personally, and I assume for most people, it does not matter the age of your product or design. What truly matters is this: is your product the absolute best? Does you product preform on par or better than the Bose? That is what people want to know.
In defense of Mercedes benz. I find this system to be well constructed and durable. the issues to me are some of the sensor location. In the R230 one sensor requires the removal of front passenger seat and carpet and YES even Stars has miss located the sensor under the passenger seat as being on the left transmission tunnel. System pressure is very high 190 bars [ ie. 190 bars X 14.5 psi =2755 PSI ] at those pressures dirt will compromise the sealing of the system O rings
190 bars in pneumatics is unheard of
@@kize32 The r230 and the other cars which use this system, the fluid used is hydraulic oil. pneumatics is air pressure not applicable to this case. I used pentosin ATF or CHF 11s; and the pressure was 3000 PSI
The main pump is controlled by pulsed electronic signals from the ABC module but the responsiveness of the system is enhanced by the main accumulator that provides adequate pressure stabilization despite pump fluctuations and demand spikes.Also front and aft pressure dampers that look like cannon balls provide ride integrity. Flushing of the system is needed periodically together with the [ rodeo ] exercise.
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I have one R230 with ABC and it works realy Nice
The best
Imagine being the type of person to watch this video back in the early 00's and wanting to buy a £70k plus car because of it 😂.
I owned for few months in 2010 and it was very smooth and sophisticated car
5:10 beim reinfahren in die Garage 👌
What I want to know is whats better airmatic or ABC?
airmatic is only available on 4matic models
Not at all. Completely incorrect Chris. ABC is nice but less reliable than air matic. Also much more expensive to fix than airmatic. I would buy airmatic over abc all day long. I’ve got a high mileage s65 that has abc. That abc system is a nightmare
Robbie Searles which year?
Robbie Searles which year ?
ABC is actually better sir. (Ive had multiple of both). The ABC needs its hydro fluid flushed once every now and then, and once in the lifetime of the car might need a new pump. The Airmatic fails sooner and is thousands for each of the four corners of the vehicle
A system that cost more then the car now days if it dsnt work.
Raise that puppy up and drive over the curb, Son! 😁😁
I belive ABC stands for All (of the customers) Bring a Cheque (a blank one cos it wil be many many thousand of $$)
going through this shit right now myself haha
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Amazing work but when it breaks...
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POD is right! ABC was developed in time,when the electronics were not that reliable,but very costly. Car companies were competing who will come out with the latest gadget on the market..,and in few years we saw introduction of ESP,ABC,TCS,BAS,DSC and many,many more.. I used to have Mitsubishi Galant from 1992 with ECS (Electronic Controlled Suspension) The car was 20 years old and the system was still the original,never repaired or replaced,and the car had 370 000 km!!! So my question to Mercedes is...how it is possible a system similar to ABC,but with less sensors to work flawlessly 20 years and still works,and premium car maker as you are cant make something even close to it???!! My brother in law purchased S-klasse 400 CDI 2002 with ABC and in just 77 000 km went down on its "belly"??!! Should you guys maybe take some lessons of reliability from Mitsubishi,Lexus or Honda??!! Cause we dont need systems and inventions that work perfect just on paper and videos like these.Thank you.
@R230Tuner facts
Lol - so a shock dampening system versus a fully variable dynamic hydraulic spring and damping system - they are not at all similar.
Clearly you've never driven/been in a car with abc suspension because it's not even close in terms of performance/comfortability. All the abc horror stories you hear are either from people who don't own abc cars or people who buy old beat up and not properly maintained cars for under 10k. If properly maintained and cared for it will last a long long time and the ride quality is unmatched.
@@mwlagana 100%
5:20 bros I can’t do that on my low profile 20s
Why not just make it an option so people xould have orderdd a conventional strut solution. This probably added $20k to the price of the car when new.
This system is a huge money pit. I promise
but its amazing to drive
you should've commented 20 years ago
Pay to play
How can we make, we can copy that from Citroen. So German creativity is here showed
imagine watching this video after a ABC suspension failure
the old cl is much more simply ....and much more resistent in time...
coilovers are only £800 for these. hmmm.
yes, but then you lose the comfort
@@kaloianmarinov7581you lose way more than that
Reutlingen ayoooo
fuck this suspension
i got a 500 and its BROKEN
John karton hi. My name ist Daniel and i am from germany. Ich sell Mercedes abc parts, struts, valve Blocks and o-rings. Look at my eBay Account elsane. Greetings Daniel
40 years of research lol maybe because it was developed by Bose! Have a look at this video Bose Active Suspension - Leaping Lexus (Mercedes Benz we don't appreciate you bull shitting us)
a lexus is a piece of SHIT toyota
Another dip-shit comment - they're different systems - Bose was developed in early 2000's??? ABC was first lol - fucking muppets commenting shit they know nothing about. Whats worse is they didn't even get it into production because its so expensive and heavy - Mercedes actually gets shit done
@@karlsmith6832 Agreed!
The single most stupidest thing that Mercedes could ever come up with. Citroen has been making this SHIT of a suspension system since the 50-ies with its never ending oil leaks, overall system fails - steering brakes clutch and suspension . Did they not do any research at all before introducing this stupid system. I mean what is wrong with simple airbag suspension or something like BMW dynamic drive, that thing seems to be more trouble free on my E60
Mercedes uses airmatic but Mercedes also invests in engineering principles to give more options to the customer. If you can't afford to maintain a luxury car you can't afford the luxury car and should sell it. The space shuttle (SL) needs more maintenance than a Cessna (E60).
@@ibrahimali3579 did you not watch the video ?
This is NOT airmatic.
This a complicated unreliable system just like SBC was, no wonder they have stopped using both.
Luxury doesn’t mean you should get ripped off. Like bugatti owners.
It’s just an engineering flop.
@@ibrahimali3579 and by the way my E60 with somewhat conventional suspension and dynamic drive handles just ss good if not better at some points than my e55 amg with airmatic and electronically controlled sport modes
@@chrisskljavinsh3966 just say you've never driven a nice SL550 with ABC2. Air suspension is way different and not as dynamic/capable as the fluid controlled struts.
@@ikaros4203 you’re absolutely right, I haven’t. Wanted a CL for a very long time, especially when they were cheap to buy, but that fancy hydraulic system has been the single biggest reason to put me off buying it.
The other systems I mentioned before can get pricey for someone who’s not a millionaire but to repair ABC can easily go up to half of what the car is worth or more depending on the model.
And correct me if I am wrong but none of the fancy , crazy handling, super, track etc etc cars use that type of suspension. Special design and electromagnetic components is what car makers use these days isn’t it ?
Shame it turned out to be a lemon.
Seriously though, the tech is absolutely incredible.
😂😂😂🤣
Soul Machines problem is that you need to replace the fluid and filters. Once you clog the system with dirt and run it for thousands of miles of coarse its going to break.
Yea when morons like you buy it and don't maintain - my S600 has 180000km on its ABC system, still goes mint because i service it!! Simple guys - if you're a cheapskate go buy a camry and stop watching these videos lol
@@JoseR88On my channel i have a video showing how to flush it using a cheap tool . You can do it yourself easily enough for $100-150 - if you get the dealer to do it , expect 3x that. Its very easy and will save you $$$ in the long run no doubt!