2019 Tour of Ithaca's Tent City Where Homeless People Survive in the Freezing Cold
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I shot and edited this vlog down and dirty to get it up quick. It may not be the best video production, but the content and what we talked about is what's the most important.
20 people sleep outside in Ithaca's infamous tent encampment known as "The Jungle." I learned near the end of the video that everyone sleeping outside in the freezing weather has a housing voucher. What they don't have is the support to get out of homelessness into the housing, so they sleep in tents in subzero weather. What does this mean? ITHACA COULD END HOMELESSNESS FOR THESE 20 PEOPLE IF IT WANTED TO!
It's not that anyone is bad. Homeless services are filled with bureaucracy and are horribly inefficient. The system is also overwhelmed. Added to that there is a severe lack of affordable housing in Ithaca.
It's not just Ithaca. Social services everywhere have to go by the rules placed onto them by the government and private funders. Funders and the leaders making the decisions are often far removed from front line service. Boxes have to be checked. Data must be collected, and people are reduced to spreadsheets. The problem is that even though people are complex, the solution to getting someone off the streets may be simple yet the system never allows for any flexibility.
Carmen Guidi and Deb Wilke are doing what they can to fill in the gaps. Carmen owns a body shop. He has no social services training, but when he learned of people sleeping outside in Ithaca homeless, he started to take action to do something. Deb is a mother and a housewife. Her whole family comes out to the Jungle to help their homeless neighbors.
A highlight to be is a husband and wife volunteering for the first time connected with Carmen after watching Invisible People videos. Carmon goes on to tell the story of a man he met out in the wood last week who was helping homeless people rebuild a shack. The man told Carmen he recognized him from Ivisible People videos, which is what motivated him to go to the Jungle and start helping people.
This is poverty in America. This is poverty is rural America. Normal citizens are starting to take tangible actions to help end homelessness. As cool as that is, social services needs to be out in Ithaca's tent city working along side people to get them out of tents and into housing!
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Hello from Reno Nevada!
Mark your love for humanity is contagious. You are an angel here on earth. Keep doing what you do and thank you to everyone that is following Mark's lead to bring help and hope to the homeless 🙏
Mark interviews a lot of noble people on this channel but Carmen definitely takes the cake. He has no reason to help these people yet his enthusiasm blows me away. He truly gives new meaning to the words, hands on. Great video.
What do you mean by "he has no reason to help these people"? We are brothers and sisters in humanity aren't we, so why not? We never know may be one day we're the one who need some helps. So why not we help one another and make the world a better place. Peace
Hello from Greece! This world need more love not more money...
I love to see all these ppl helping out the homeless. Mark is great!!! Love is a wonderful thing. Housing is outrageous for poor people
Rebecca Swilling
Housing prices are through the roof expensive. Not just for low income people, but for the average working person, as well.
Homelessness is the result of your beloved capitalism.
IsItHardToBeVegan? Absolutely correct. Trickledown is a joke. Nothing trickles down but excrement.
Thanks for sharing! I thank God daily for my home!
Love your videos and your love for the homeless. Jesus was homeless, and I've been homeless before, the homeless are our people and heroes 💙 God bless you guys
This is so great...I have been in a wheelchair, to a walker....to now walking alone....why because of Invisible people. I always advocated for the living rough...but was in an accident, and unable to even walk...and it was so frustrating, with low funds to boot....Mark and these beautiful souls...gave me the hope and determination to fight, so I can get out and help.. I am doing everything, I can, even with little things....just to put a smile on someone's face. I know it's not going to end this horrible thing called homelessness....But I'm trying to do what I can to help. My prayers and love to Mark , your mom..hope she is getting better and your tribe of angles, housed and unhoused..xx
So happy that people want to help others. ❤️
Here in Yokohama, Japan, I was giving our local homeless man hundreds on dollars (in Japanese yen) every year (cash and food/drink) until he died a couple of years ago.
I would love to visit some day
I think my buddy was stationed there with the Navy. It was either there or nearby.
Rick Batz Not surprised as there were quite a few bases in and around Yokohama (a couple have closed in the last 20 years, along with a large military housing area not far from where I live).
Maynard Yes, I live here, but not near the bay.
I live in an old neighborhood - no homeless here - not since he passed (and he lived under the railroad tracks, most of the time, which are a good 30 minutes on foot away from my house).
I’ve never thought of Yokohama being swallowed up by Tokyo. They’re so very different from one another that I cannot really grasp this sentiment. Sorry.
You are very kind
We LOVE you Carmen!!!!!
I'm so happy to meet real heros helping real lifes!!!!
All my support and power from Spain!
Its amazing how only one person can changes lot of people!
We LOVE you Carmen!
Thanks for bringing this information to the public! Bless you!
your doing is what Americans had been famous for in the 50´s : people caring for others! I have not have heard of any other folk who was such a role model in it! I love to see that´s there are still Americans like you used to be! thank you
You're doing it Mark. Love to everyone! We all are doing this bc of your channel Mark. The socks, rosaries, toiletries, books with a few bucks stashed in the pages, I really love you man!!!
The squeeking dog totally cracked me up! Life is a trip! Thanks 😊
This is such a great thing. People helping homeless because of your channel. It's so heartwarming to see people get help because that's what humanity is all about. God bless you all
Homeless Woman Lives in Ithaca's Tent City the Jungle. ruclips.net/video/idLmlH9G1t0/видео.html
2018 Tour of Ithaca's Tent City Where Homeless People Survive in the Freezing Cold ruclips.net/video/rZjoHWARvjU/видео.html
Ithaca's Tent City "THE JUNGLE": Living Homeless Sucks! ruclips.net/video/l_-1SjKK31A/видео.html
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How much is homelessness related to mental health issues?
@@menuhin The medications that they give mental patients make it hard for them to focus and achieve a goal. They end up wandering and drifting through life.
Babu
I’m taking care of my girlfriend with schizophrenia (and I tried some of the antipsychotics myself)
- without medication they tend to become socially withdrawn and isolate themselves and have weird ideas to go outside to “pursue freedom” because of their delusions
- with these medications it is very difficult to focus or get things done for normal people
I just want to know how much % of homeless people are sane and how much are due to mental health issues
@@menuhin Sane is a legal term. Most people have issues with thoughts and emotions to differing degrees. I don't believe mentally ill people were just lounging on the sides of the roads and back in the woods unable to focus and accomplish things until the medications were introduced in like the 1950's.
They used to keep undesirables locked up, now they just dump them on the streets with chemical lobotomies, and they don't know how to function in the world. People with focus might be homeless for a while and then figure out a way to get back into housing.
@Babu
I’m not saying I’m on the same page with mental health medication
Diagnosis is also just a medical definition, not just the word “sane”. Please watch the documentaries and training videos when they interview schizophrenic patients, my point is, these are clearly mentally ill people that one cannot even have making-sense conversations with, like in these videos.
- for “mentally-ill” I am referring to those
The channel gives me such an inspiration to get off my lazy butt sometimes when I'm lazy then get out and help the community more
Why dont you donate some money.......we dont wan t your opinion.......donate.
Great Job Mark! Keep it up! You guys are wonderful and praying for all homeless. Let me know next time you’re in Sacramento I would love to help
You guys are all amazing! Thank you for all that you do.
You make me want to go out right now and help ppl in my area more. The mom/housewife who is coming to tent city and helping the ppl there is a great role model for her children. Bringing her children to help with this is what all of us mothers should be teaching our children. Give back to others. If you are blessed with income, money, give some back to others. I wish we weren’t on social security. I wish I had more money to help others. Lastly I wish housing for all the homeless. These are my three wishes, Mark.
Real human beings helping helping real human beings...I
How did I miss this video!Mark we went to Ithica because of your videos I saw my vision to do what Carmen Guidi started right in front of my eyes I'm working on this vision for Rome New York
I love watching your videos of this wonderful group of people. They are still working so hard for these people. You are all angels. Your friend is absolutely right about leading these people by the hand to get them services. We've had to do that for people that were not able to do it for themselves. It is heartbreaking to see these people in those situations, whether from circumstances or by choice. They need our help and compassion. Please keep up the phenomenal work that you do in bringing awareness and helping people. We love your channel Mark.
tipi tents will help. regular tents will not stand in strong wind. wood cuts can be used to keep tipi tents warm.
Fantastic gestures of compassion. great people with great intentions... love from across the pond...UK
You think theres any in london besides centrepoint
Awesome work! I’m so glad that the mayor is doing something to help God Bless you Carmen you sure did get the ball rolling! Mark thank you for all your videos I’m spreading the word around about invisible people. God Bless you as well.❤️
What a wonderful Father Jacob has!! He is a lucky child and God bless everyone in the "Jungle" and everyone in this video who is helping them.
You are just so nice to Help. May God Bless You ❤️🌷🙏
This is a dog eat dog world and some people just want to drop out of society. Like when they go for housing and no one helps them actually get in the housing, they just give up. You deal with rude landlords, disrespectful neighbors, keeping up the apartment, and it is too much stress. You have to really have a lot of ambition to go from being homeless to getting into housing and staying there. These people are often alone with no support systems like family and friends. When things go wrong, no one is there to help out.
except thats not the problem. The problem is drug addicts dont like living with people who have "rules" that interfere with thier addictions, so they seek a place where rules like "dont do heroin" are not enforced. These zones should be eliminated, not encouraged.
@@jonpluc Most landlords can't figure out or aren't going to be bothered with who is doing drugs in their apartments. People deal drugs out of low income apartments all the time. I think drugs aren't the problem so much as a feeling of discouragement and just not being able to focus enough to stay housed.
@@jonpluc Sadly drugs have ruined society. I agree with your comment.
@@jonpluc Drugs are a major part of U.S. society. It was back in the 70's, before homelessness was a " thing.". Because back in the day, rents were very cheap and the dollar had so much more buying power. You could have a part- time job and still live decently,pay the rent, have money left over to save. Nothing like today,with inflated prices, stagnant wages, the petrodollar. The perfect storm of poverty and ruin for a country.
When RUclips gaming channels have millions of views and subscribers, but a channel like Invisible People has a fraction of that....that should tell you society needs to change.
There's no money to be made in helping the homeless. That's why the government does so little to help. At the same time continuing keeping the borders open, and being more concerned about helping illegal aliens who don't even belong here and providing them everything for free. Veterans who served their country in war time living on the streets while demotards continue to push their anti american agenda.
@@billm4262 You would be amazed how much the government spends on the VA its whats bankrupting out country. Just welfare with stripes. The people you speak of can get help they just dont do it or are mentally ill the VA wont come looking for them.
Or people need to get a job
Ýou are hating youtube gaming, gaming platfors all the way, your know how many campaigns the gaming community does to help a lot of causes? like cure cancer, shelters for people, shelters for pets, etc, get your get and place it at your goberment, they just get a lot of money for free and they dont event work... just stay at a chair all day long....
@NormanBates These gamer's have been systematically programmed.
Each and everyone of you have my deepest respect! Edit: Thank you Mark for uploading all the videos, I've been watching your channel for over a week. I'm from Canada P.E.I were fortunate here there's not a lot of homeless, but people are going hungry, some only getting one meal a day Monday to Friday, it's heartbreaking. My daughter lives in Moncton and is a Realtor, she donates 20% of each home she sells to Blessing In Backpack, , she's helping to feed the children on the weekends. My other daughter does fundraisers (running) for charity, proud of both of them. I used to volunteer at Salvation Army cooking, i'm physical not able to right now, but I'll be back as soon as I get the go ahead. Bless you all.🙏🏻
If only their were more people like the ones helping out here. Such goodness makes my heart soar.
Случайно нарвалась на этот блог. Жаль что не понимаю, о чем говорят люди. Жаль , что люди , дети , женщины , имея желание работать живут на улице. Люди спокойно все рассказывают. В Казахстане точно кто то из родственников приютят или же можно поехать в сельскую местность. Дай людям терпение, желание , чтобы у них появился кров над головой, работа. Спасибо автору, что он помогает людям 🥰🙏🙏🙏
I am so glad that you do the videos and that people go out and help the people. May God Bless you all. Lilly
Great to see more people helping out. I plan to do the same thing. One step at a time. God bless your souls
I absolutely LOVE this new video format and how you are truly educating people about what the problems are with the bureaucracies and the agencies. I am staying in close touch with the woman in Seattle you guys mentioned and I made a very small donation to Charlie in LA today. ASAP I will send a donation your way too. Thank you for all you are doing.
You guys are soooo kind and humble 🤗🥰🤗🤣👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Sincerely i can't believe those guys could survive the arctic freeze. Over here the coldest it gets is 20s at night and I'm freezing my ass when I go outside.
God bless those poor souls
Thank God somebody cares and isn't just sitting in their position to collect a check they're actually doing something for the homeless thank you all of you God bless
Thanks for doing these exposee videos, Mark Horvath. So important to keep raising awareness.
It is nice how these people keep such a good attitude in the face of adversity.
All you guys are doing a awesome amazing job!!! God bless everyone of you !!!!
God bless you Carmen and your family including the rest of the group who supporting those homeless people voice to be heard
Such a shame how people just right off homeless people as if they are bad and no good dangerous people
fractal *write off, but I agree.
the homeless expose their own internal fear.
@LightNessITA do you know for a fact that most of them are mentally ill or drug addicts?
@@SanDmaNTheFreakTrucker Really? just couldn't help yourself with the grammar correction huh? At least your doing your part! if any homeless folks read this, they won't have to be assaulted by a grammar mistake!
@serendipidus1 some can be dangerous absolutely just like anything else don't just assume they are evaluate instead of flat out labeling
Love Carmen!! ❤❤ He has a huge heart!! Such a good, good man!! Keep doing what your doing and keep that soft heart of yours.
You are making progress Mark! Thank you for all you do.
I just found your video. You guys are really good ppl. Its amazing there should be many more ppl in community's like you folks Wonderful. Much respect
It’s great that all these people help those within the camp. I hope more people get on board and provide more things to this organisation, esp during winter when the needs are higher. I hope the government & SS start to support these people & give them more power to get the homeless there housed. One day when I’m in the USA again I’d like to go & visit and serve at these kind of homeless camps, as that’s where my heart is at.
Mark Horvath and all who help him in his great mission are my heroes. Not just lip service--they really care and follow through. Would love to give Mark a big hug and go beside him and help the people who need help.
Just spent 18 months homeless in my car Richmond va. Need to go help my fellow travelers where I’m at now. Thank you all of you beautiful people
My heart goes out to everyone single person who is enduring the hardest most challenging reality of homelessness.
I know I couldn’t take the cold - the heat, yes...the cold, no way.
You could do it if you had to. The human body is amazing.
Cyrus Winingar I don’t know how to answer that, so I’ll just agree.
Me, too. I hate being cold.
lovelyvegan princess And just when it was starting to feel like Spring, here comes another cold front!! Yikes!! The world is messed up. 😞
reira miya its very hard to deal with the cold I’ve been in my car for a year and a half now this is my second winter. I Live in the North east right beside New York. Thankfully I studied primitive survival I know how to keep myself warm when I don’t have heat or can’t run my heat. It is brutal in the cold absolutely brutal but I would actually rather deal with the cold than the heat.
Thanks for this video Mark! I live and work in the Ithaca area so this video hits home for me.. Bless you!!
Does the Cornell University community do anything to fundraise and support the homeless? My hometown is Kingston Ontario (Canada) and the local school (Queen's University), does stuff to raise funds and help shelters, etc in the city.
Yes. Recently during extreme cold temps the students helped Ithaca Homeless Crisis create an emergency fundraiser that raiser approximately $3,500! In addition, students are volunteering, leading workshops addressing housing instability and homelessness, and creating social media videos to increase awareness and promote advocacy.
I wanted to say I found this channel last night and can't stop watching .I have seen we're I live if someone is homeless and asking for money for food or etc alot people look at them like they are nonthing but they are just like us that needs help I help every time I see some one .I try bit the police will run them off because of someone calling and telling them there people asking for money or food .sad I am going to keep helping when I can
Your amazing, God Bless you for doing what you do🙏♥
Love the good work brother but DAMN are you all up in their faces in these interviews LOL!!
Imagine the halitosis.
This is amazing....I do this in Toronto Canada with my kids....I have been a mental health and addictions social worker for 20 years working with my peeps to get housing and stay housed if they want and helping them I they want to love homeless....this video no wait all your videos and what you do is amazing.....I like this because you two are really making a difference.....in this area
Bravo to everybody that's helping the homeless way to go Mark and Carmin and it's incredible you're out there doing what you do. The way you talk to people with respect and respect them by not filming unless they want you too and laughing and enjoying the day as you're doing you're donating of the propane tanks in tents and Waters and things it's just amazing I wish Petoskey Harbor Springs area could do this kind of stuff to I don't believe we do if we do I'd like to get involved closer I'm not close to Traverse City but bravo to what you're all doing.
Most of the people around the table, didn't want that to happen. That tells me that those people are greedy aholes that don't have a heart. Atleast the mayor did something.
I think those people who didn't want it to happen are not just greedy but suffer from psychosis. These people have entitlement mentality they have lack of empathy and a lack of morals and ethics. And by definition that is a classic sociopath. One of the things that most people fail to realize is that government is mostly made up of sociopaths this is true for local governments to the federal level. Society itself is basically no good. Yes there are some really good people out there who want to help and who volunteer but the majority of society are apathetic and a large segment is sociopathological in nature. Obviously varying levels you have your nondescript mostly harmless sociopath but then as these people get higher up in the ranks We're talking about full-blown psychopathological beings who are a detriment to society.
@@archetypex65 I totally agree
Don't hold back.....he didn't catch your sarcasm Mark.
Thanks what you do man love your video I am homeless too
Housing,housing, housing !!
Add good jobs and manufacturing returning from overseas !
This is a good video, more people need to help Americans homeless. God Bless You All!
Thank you
Good to see People help Will pray for warm harts in my country
That Carmen seems such a nice man. Really enjoy him!
This is great I wish every state and town had tiny houses and the help Ithaca has I was homeless before I received social security disability sleeping behind dumpsters buildings and being told to move by police to where ? There downstairs hard to walk 24 hours a day.
I love how your videos can help make such a huge difference to people's lives. I think, globally, house properties are beyond a lot of people's reach. This is skyrocketing upwards all the time. What is needed is a cap on rents and social housing. It's the richest countries that have the largest homeless populations. They should be ashamed to say that they are first world countries, when they have people living in third world conditions.
Shout out to the home schooling mom for having a compassionate heart for the less fortunate. Yeah, gathering empty aluminum cans n bottles is fiercely
Competitive amongst the homeless where I live and not bad money since the nickel increase to a dime for each can or bottle recycled. I've had to scavage for them just on occasion to afford half n half for my coffee and I'd have to walk n walk till I hit the jack pot. So glad that one lady is getting into housing and not all of us have a strong support system of family or even friends to help us in our times of need so advocate workers are truly doing gods work. Keep up the great work Mark!! Hope
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Bless you for sharing this
Carmen looks getting old.... Carmen is a Good man..... I have being watching and following Invisible People, Mark is Doing a Great Job... I really Appreciate it..... And I Pray that Those homeless don't get Sick....!
May God bless Mark and Carmen to help America homeless people, especially those who are downtrodden because of not their own undoing but because of American society which need to be address seriously and quickly.
God bless you all. Why are invisible ninjas cutting onions around me when I watch your videos? :P
Carmen is the greatest example of a man I've ever had the privilege of meeting.
I absolutely LOVE Carmen and Mark! You both are amazing human beings. God bless you both!🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️
Thanks for all you do because you never give up and still doing great things...So glad that someone like you is out here documenting and making a difference...My only suggestion is (and at the end of the day it doesn't negate your great deeds) but you can see some people on the video shots with you are uncomfortable because you put your face so unnecessarily close to theirs that I'm sure they can feel and smell your breath bud.. lol I'm not trying to be mean, just constructive criticism...You have a really bad habit of it...Either way the point of your video is being made which is awesome, but you should learn to respect people's space a little more especially the such near face to face can be felt as very intrusive...I love what you are doing but if you stayed in my face like that an entire interview I wouldn't enjoy it much and would probably be distracted from the nature of the video/interview... Much love..
Great job love it
you people are great you help the people no one cares about keep up the good work
good people with good heart, best regards for you all!!!!
I wish they would allow the homeless here in salt lake city to do this.
A couple of years ago we had to find a friend of mines mother I grew up with. She was homeless. She was a high school nurse. Anyway, this was in Saratoga and Schenectady. We met up with and found her friend first who brought us to her. There was a tent city behind a price chopper in Saratoga. My friend who went to art school tried to start a program called homeless helpers. It was to try to get businesses to put a sticker in their window to show that they were friendly to helping homeless from anything like a bathroom or to helping fill out paper work. Paperwork for treatment food or homes can be very hard. Even the phones they give only have a certain amount of time and half that time if not all is spent on hold. Her mother is not homeless anymore. Some of the people she met with her mom and took beautiful pics of have died since. It’s a sad situation.
Keep Up the Great Work ! You're making a difference! Angels Do Walk Amongst Us.
Mark!!!!
We LOVE you too!!!!
You are wonderful.Thanks.
So cool you help the residents
I ❤️ you guys for doing this!
Is this Ithaca NY? Keep bringing awareness to the horribleness of our failed society. These people are awesome, i hope you can make a difference bro :D
I wonder how many get housing but cannot maintain it. I experience this a lot. I know of people who get housing 100% rent free but lose it due to unpaid utilities or breaking the rules of the housing authority. In my experience it’s less about lack of housing and more about mental health and addiction. Even exploitation sometimes will get people evicted.
I agree with you... and I think a life skills course on how to manage money and make decisions based on priorities would be a good thing to have as well.
Absolutely...
Meth.😮?
Awareness , and people with a heart. That’s what we need more of .
Simple,and Awesome statement ! We truly need change that is governed by and Closer to The Heart. We can all individually make a difference..
Bless Jesus because God is good
Mayor Meyer has a good heart. Mark and Carmen too! Invisible People the most!
I grew up with mark here in Binghamton N.Y. He is an Angel !!!!!
Hey Carmen God bless you and all you do
God bless.
Ur friend is such agood man I hope there r more ppl like him
So good.. God is in this... thank You Jesus... Amen
I love this cute people they are adorable I wish they should soon get their home ✝️💕
I'm very ignorant to this whole situation, but why doesn't the government donate old Military tents? To my understanding their very well insulated and can withstand winds.
I don't know, 200,000+ is not a bad amount of views. I think that's a good start to building up your following
Thank for doing that, May God bless you
What an amazing guy Carman is. Building those small cottages on his own property to house 18 people at the last count. He even went to the mayor I believe and offered to build many more at one of the homeless camp sites, but was refused as they didn't want to make it a permanent site, but these would be smart properties which would be going a long way to giving many people a safe place to live away from the elements and give them safety and security and it wouldn't have cost the local government any money. Makes no sense. From London, UK.
Mark please come to massachusetts. In a town near me my homeless friend Gary said they have many people watiing for housing. Gary is 17 on the list so that probably means 10yrs from now. In the meantime he lives in his pickup truck for the past 2yrs. I think if every people in every town and state in America adopts one homeless person this would be great. So we can show the Govt how its done. THanks for what you do.
This only a few blocks away from Cornell University, one of America’s top Universities. What kind of people will lead this country, who show no affection in their younger years. It’s such a disgrace for the state of civilization of this country. Among the Indians, this wouldn’t have happened.