Pickleball better get its act together. Get some enforcable standards in place or you will start driving away the casual players. What drew a lot of people to the game is the lower bar for competency which allowed people of differing levels to still play together. When high tech gets in the hands of high-skill tennis players, then casual players have no chance to even rally with them and may even be in danger of being hurt
Just came off a singles tournament yesterday that wasn’t USAP sanctioned so a bunch of my opponents were playing with Joolas. It was obviously a huge advantage for them and the rallies were extremely short, even for singles. Getting to the ball just a couple milliseconds late over and over again is extremely frustrating when you know it’s your opponent’s paddle doing so much of the work for them.
I’d love to see reviews and database entries for the first three you mentioned. (Apollo, J2K, and Shapeshifter.) But I think I’d be most curious to hear about the Apollo next.
@@rdelnaja2558 I saw his review. But I didn't know he had a database. Thanks! I enjoy watching STS's reviews. He does a good job. However, I also like to hear a full review from John. Also, I like to see spreadsheet stats from multiple reviewers on a given paddle. Results can vary from one paddle and reviewer to another. But if you have 3-4 sets of stats to look at, you can get a truer idea of how a paddle performs.
This is a pivotal moment for Pickleball. Are we going to continue down the trampoline-like / stringed rackets path or stop short? What I have experienced playing 4.0 rec is that NVZ exchanges have been truncated earlier by Gen 3 “paddles”, ….put-aways are more decisive, gen3 attacks being point ending by going out/ long or more often defeating the defensive /counter -offensive response. How do we want to evolve the game?
The best way to get your phone to detect the chip on the Gen3 Joolas is to hold the paddle vertical, then hold your phone in landscape mode and scan it up the handle. I’ve been able to get my phone to detect the NFC chip on my Magnus consistently even with a Hesacore and overgrip on.
Which is how you know these are going back on the approved list sooner than later. It is the biggest sponsor in pickleball. The paddles have already been manufactured, shipped, and the advertising campaign has launched. The money always wins out.
From the USA Pickleball site, To our valued USA Pickleball Members: Please note that, effectively immediately, the following select JOOLA paddle makes and models are no longer USA Pickleball Approved. See below for FAQs and immediate actions if your paddle is affected. Which JOOLA paddles are affected? Tyson McGuffin Magnus 3 14mm Tyson McGuffin Magnus 3 16mm Collin Johns Scorpeus 3 16mm Anna Bright Scorpeus 3 14mm Simone Jardim Hyperion 3 16mm Ben Johns Hyperion 3 16mm Ben Johns Hyperion 3 14mm Ben Johns Perseus 3 14mm Ben Johns Perseus 3 16mm Perseus Alpha 2024 16mm Perseus Alpha 2024 14mm Magnus Alpha 2024 16mm Magnus Alpha 2024 14mm Hyperion Alpha 2024 16mm Hyperion Alpha 2024 14mm Scorpeus Alpha 2024 16mm Scorpeus Alpha 2024 14mm
Does changing the end cap on a paddle void its legality? What if it is an aftermarket end cap, I.e. replacing the rubber end cap on the ALw-C to a plastic one, while making sure the overall dimensions of the paddle remain legal?
did you send it back because of core crushing or to ask for your money back since you can't use it in tournaments. Mine has already core crushed after 30 hours of play and now this...I want my money back. Joola needs to step up or their PR issue will go off the cliff.
I have 4 paddles in my back but 2 that I really circulate between. I like my Mach 1 Forza 14mm for indoor ball play, and I like my 16mm CRBN 1X (now replaced by Gen3 Perseus for now…) for outdoor ball play, I do rotate though when I feel like playing different styles and I like it.
The Joola saga goes on. Glad to see Babalot going deep into paddles. I'm a "paddle switcher" like the question suggests. I play with lots of players in Rec that play with 5,6 yr old paddles. John can't you write off the STALKER as a business expense?
Compare the J2K to the Ruby. It would be very interesting to see how they stack up. The price point on the J2K is much lower. It would be nice to know if you are getting more paddle with the higher cost of the Ruby.
Ups 😬...They need to find a test that does not only considering the paddles, but also different balls to get certain limits to fix restrictions. Maybe moving the paddle while the ball is at a defined position (not fixed) could be a proper way?! Just a spontaneous idea 🤔
With respect to paddle testing, for the good of the sport, there needs to be an independent, transparent, and publicly accessible/accountable advisory council, consisting of various representative stakeholders, including players(both professional and amature), equipment manufacturers, tour owners/administrators, tournament platform providers, tournament organizers(both professional and amature), rating companies etc. Until we have this, as well as full transparency, with respect to exactly what testing is being done(including exact terminology and definitions), what exact equipment/science is being used, what exact standards must be met, and exactly what specific failures are occuring, we will continue to have various private/secret political agenda's dominate paddle testing, resulting in ongoing frustration, confusion, speculation and distrust in the marketplace.
@@EddieK-PB I've heard them compared to the Thrive Azuls and they're like $40 cheaper so I figured you guys might be interested. I'm b/w that and the J2K for my next paddle.
Please review the paddles from "Standout Pickleball", the spin off company from Six Zero. They recently released the first ever edgeless kevlar paddle: KC1. Their CF3 paddle is sort of in-between the DBD and BD. I'd love to get your thoughts on this great but overlooked company and these 2 paddles.
Nobody is complaining about that. If vibration is a problem, do your research and buy accordingly. We already have enough problems trying to get rocket ships banned from the equation.
Will USAP set up a regulation on what techs or specs companies like joola can work on like Formula 1. It is unfair for companies to have their paddles to get banned if there is no standard being set. They should allow companies to submit their paddles to USPA to test them out for a certain period and get the necessary approval before selling them to public.
Hey John, thank you for getting this breaking paddlegate 3.0 info out fast and early. It’s been all over reddit and discord today and I’m glad to hear your input. Rumor has it the Paddletek TKO-CX has also been banned due to the steel beads coming loose, do you have any further info on that as well?
@@johnkewpickleball Awesome! I played with the TKO-CX 12.7 today and really liked it! Super snappy and crisp and drops and resets were also very comfortable. Maybe because I was coming from the Pursuit Pro MX? Interestingly enough, I also used the TKO-C 14.3 and felt like that paddle was not nearly as responsive or forgiving. Anyhow, thank ya sir! Take care.
Joola is a much bigger face in pickleball than Gearbox. Administrator error from 6 months ago? Seems odd and I wonder if they will get a pass because of who represents them. Wait and see, but if it’s an issue like CRBN had, just treat them the same.
The Hario switch has a ball bearing the is used with a toggle switch in immerse the coffee in the closed position or normal pour over in the open position. Lots of cool recipes can be made with the Hario Switch.
People want paddles to get as powerful as possible, but fail to mention that Major League Baseball only allows wooden bats, not composite or other materials. They made that change for a reason, yet people think allowing technology to run amok in the major leagues of Pickleball is somehow maturity for the sport. Maturity is knowing responsible limitations, not 'anything goes.'
If we see the JOOLA paddles back on, you can bet it is about money donations to USAP. UPA-A, a subsidiary of PPA, is another downfall for the sport. JOOLA's response, what a crop of crap. Ben deserves it. If the tours got their crap together, more people would watch. But video and commentary are just horrible. That 9/2 ratio also includes when Federico first started out. So you are comparing a player with one year of experience with 8 years of experience. Big difference. Welcome to JOOLA quality.
Joola and Selkirk are the two biggest names in pickleball with a lot of sponsorship dollars. If Selkirk can get away with just a little slap on the wrist and a little fine for the hole in the paddle. I am sure Joola and USAP will work something out. Right now they are saying it's a testing issue and it is NOT a "ban" yet. There are millions and millions of dollars involved, they will figure it out. I will not lose any sleep over this. Meanwhile, I love playing my Perseus 3.
@johnkewpickleball Yes but they're soooo worth it and appreciated. I'm just happy to know you're still alive and well. Hit us with a pneuma or descending cover when you're up to it ;)
Joola is saying this is due to an administrative error. There is zero chance that the biggest sponsor in pickleball is going to have their premiere paddle line banned. It will be back on the list sooner than later.
They'll give refunds beginning on Wednesday, 5/22 if the paddles haven't been USAPA approved. I emailed Joola customer service and that was their response.
@@jacoblauterbach5420 have to see that to believe it, it’s been two weeks I have requested a refund due to core crushing after 2, 3 hour sessions…..nothing other then a run around….
It's amazing the amount of whining coming out of professional pickleball. I personally think you guys (Pro's) and the pickleball governing bodies are all going to ruin the game of pickleball if they continue on this path. It is a game after-all, at least it was 5 years ago until all the greed took the game over. I am in my mid 60s and have played every racket and paddle sport there is. I've coached high school and Collegiate level tennis and have been a teaching pro most of my life. I have watched the progression and advancements in technology of equipment in every sport. From my first wood racket, the Jack Kramer Autograph, to aluminum, magnesium, and now graphite. Anything with ping pong paddles, same thing with racquetball, badminton, squash etc. As far as I know none of the advancements in equipment ended any of those sports. Sure the advancements in equipment might make it more intimidating for some people to enter into a sport, but it also allowed some to jump-start that sport based on the newer technology, lowering the learning curve. Tennis is a great example. You really need to hit thousands of balls in practice to be even somewhat proficient at the game. With tennis racket technology what it is, larger sweet-spot, more power, better balance, and less vibration, it helps more people perform better from day one. Giving more people the opportunity to play and possibly continue playing the sport. Maybe this applies to you with some of the sports you attempted or play currently. Some people just can't play tennis, some people can't play racquetball, some people can't play Pickleball. Some people can't do anything athletic or anything that requires coordination. Are we supposed to dumb everything down for these people? I'm 5 ft 10, I didn't play basketball in high school. Should they have lowered the net for short people? I don't think that's the answer, and I don't remember complaining to everybody that the net was too high. Should we turn back the clock with the advancements of golf clubs and golf balls? If the same equipment is available to everybody that wants to play, I don't see a problem. If you're only worried about getting hit with the damn ball then put some freaking glasses on. I've been playing pickleball for 4 years I've never once gotten hit in the face, and I'm playing with 4.5-6.0 level current and ex-tennis players who are now playing pickleball in the prime of their life. These guys hit hard. I'm not saying getting hit in the face can't happen, but I also played competitive tennis and having played for 55 years, with all the volleys that were exchanged, I never once got hit in the head or face with a tennis ball Not sure what motivation is behind so many people that are saying this is all negative, I just don't get it. I personally think you guys (Pro's) and the pickleball governing bodies are all going to ruin the sport. There's already way too many conditions and rules with regards to pickleball. Especially when you consider these conditions and rules seem to change hour by hour. How is anyone supposed to keep up with this. You can't do this now, you can't play with that now. People at the rec level calling you out because of a suspect paddle when they have the means to go buy the same paddle. I think the (Pro's) and the pickleball governing bodies are making way too much out of this. Here are 2 possible solutions at the pro level, since that's where most of the complaining seems to be coming from. 1. Give up your paddle endorsement and play with the paddle you want to play with, or 2. why don't you all play with the exact same paddle. If you want to use edge guard, lead tape, or a grip, that's fine, but it has to be the exact same paddle. Then it comes down to pure talent. I get the feeling that some people are threatened by lesser players having an opportunity to play better and have more shots available to them. I think the paddle technology has more of a benefit for the woman's game more than the men's game, be careful what you wish for ladies. In my opinion, the pro level tends to be about money and endorsements. Who is going to determine what is enough spin, oh that's too much. Oh that's enough power, oh wait that's too much. Everybody hits the ball at a different pace and different spin. I think you guys need to be more patient and just let the sport evolve. The sport is not for everybody and the best will always rise to the top and they will always adapt, just as they have in other sports. The one paddle argument is similar to the same basketball being used throughout the NBA, everybody just adapts. They went from a 38 mm ping pong ball to a 40 mm ping pong ball merely to slow it down for television. Everybody adapted. I think changing the pickleball probably makes more sense, maybe a Nerf ball. I realize I'm ranting and I appreciate your patience but I can't figure out for the life of me why these guys are so upset. You wear shoes to protect your feet, you wear long sleeves and sunscreen to protect your skin, you wear a hat to protect your eyes from the Sun, if you feel you need to wear glasses, then wear glasses. I purchased my first Selkirk Tyson McGuffin paddle 4 years ago, since then I've gone to the Pro Kennex Black Diamond, and now I use the Tyson McGuffin gen 3 Joola. I've been able to hit much bigger spinning shots, top spin Lobs, passing shots with the spin that I should be getting out of every shot that I hit considering my skills with a tennis racket. I'm having more fun now than I've ever had playing pickleball. Several of the people in our group of 60 people feel the same way. So far no one in our group has said anything at all about somebody hitting too hard or having too much spin. We have several people now using the Gen 3 Joola, Gear Box, and other hard-hitting very gritty paddles, I haven't heard anybody complaining that there's too much spin and too much power. As I stated, we have ex-college tennis players and these guys hit hard. People just chalk it up to talent and body structure. Maybe we should require a 20 something ex-college tennis player to hit with a dead paddle and never play against lesser or older players. See how stupid that sounds. You guys can refuse to play with those paddles anytime you want, but I don't see anybody going backwards. The better you are and the better you get, you are less likely going to hit somebody in the face. The lesser players don't have the power or ability to threaten most people across the net. Maybe it's just me but, I watched a match that took place the other day and one point in particular lasted 81 shots. I personally don't care to see more than a few points in a game that lasts 81 shots. I like the faster game as a player, and as someone who watches a lot of pickleball. Most of the players I know feel the same way. Okay, now let me have it.
I don’t think they are banned. Joola is claiming it’s an administrative error, and that kind of makes sense. Why? If it were about the power of the paddles, then the Gearbox Pro Power and the Vatic Pro Oni should have disappeared from the database as well. But they didn’t. That lends some credence to Joola saying it’s an administrative error that they will get worked out with USAP.
It's interesting. Five years ago, Selkirk came out with the first paddles at $200. Everyone (so to speak) was saying, they would never sell, they weren't worth it, etc. They were sold out for at least 6 months. :) For me, it's just interesting.
Joola is saying this is due to an administrative error. There is zero chance that the biggest sponsor in pickleball is going to have their premiere paddle line banned. It will be back on the list sooner than later.
Pickleball better get its act together. Get some enforcable standards in place or you will start driving away the casual players. What drew a lot of people to the game is the lower bar for competency which allowed people of differing levels to still play together. When high tech gets in the hands of high-skill tennis players, then casual players have no chance to even rally with them and may even be in danger of being hurt
Australian Pickleball just announced they won't allow gen 3 to be used in tournaments.
No kidding? I haven't heard about that
Just came off a singles tournament yesterday that wasn’t USAP sanctioned so a bunch of my opponents were playing with Joolas. It was obviously a huge advantage for them and the rallies were extremely short, even for singles. Getting to the ball just a couple milliseconds late over and over again is extremely frustrating when you know it’s your opponent’s paddle doing so much of the work for them.
Been wondering about these babolats
Thanks
I really enjoy my Babalot STRKR. Yes, you need to be good at hitting the sweet spot, but when you do, it has very controllable power
Wooo, One comprehensive PodCast. Good job Pickle Techies.
I enjoyed the podcast and great information.
I’d love to see reviews and database entries for the first three you mentioned. (Apollo, J2K, and Shapeshifter.) But I think I’d be most curious to hear about the Apollo next.
STS Pickelball came out with specs for them already.
@@rdelnaja2558 I saw his review. But I didn't know he had a database. Thanks! I enjoy watching STS's reviews. He does a good job. However, I also like to hear a full review from John. Also, I like to see spreadsheet stats from multiple reviewers on a given paddle. Results can vary from one paddle and reviewer to another. But if you have 3-4 sets of stats to look at, you can get a truer idea of how a paddle performs.
This is a pivotal moment for Pickleball.
Are we going to continue down the trampoline-like / stringed rackets path or stop short?
What I have experienced playing 4.0 rec is that NVZ exchanges have been truncated earlier by Gen 3 “paddles”, ….put-aways are more decisive, gen3 attacks being point ending by going out/ long or more often defeating the defensive /counter -offensive response. How do we want to evolve the game?
The best way to get your phone to detect the chip on the Gen3 Joolas is to hold the paddle vertical, then hold your phone in landscape mode and scan it up the handle. I’ve been able to get my phone to detect the NFC chip on my Magnus consistently even with a Hesacore and overgrip on.
got a joola gen 3 ad while watching this video lmao
Which is how you know these are going back on the approved list sooner than later. It is the biggest sponsor in pickleball. The paddles have already been manufactured, shipped, and the advertising campaign has launched. The money always wins out.
Eh, the Joola situation is blown out of proportion, it would seem. Give it a week or two max and they'll be back on the approved list.
Realy top podcast all around
Great pod! Good info exposure! Shapeshifter Pleeeeeeease!
Regulating 1 ball is way easier than 1000's of paddles.
An easier solution, make the accepted balls a slower and softer type of ball.
Handle is a tad shorter and thicker on the Shogun (vs Filth). It has become my go to paddle. Definitely looking forward to your full review.
What paddles do you keep in your bag?
From the USA Pickleball site,
To our valued USA Pickleball Members:
Please note that, effectively immediately, the following select JOOLA paddle makes and models are no longer USA Pickleball Approved. See below for FAQs and immediate actions if your paddle is affected.
Which JOOLA paddles are affected?
Tyson McGuffin Magnus 3 14mm
Tyson McGuffin Magnus 3 16mm
Collin Johns Scorpeus 3 16mm
Anna Bright Scorpeus 3 14mm
Simone Jardim Hyperion 3 16mm
Ben Johns Hyperion 3 16mm
Ben Johns Hyperion 3 14mm
Ben Johns Perseus 3 14mm
Ben Johns Perseus 3 16mm
Perseus Alpha 2024 16mm
Perseus Alpha 2024 14mm
Magnus Alpha 2024 16mm
Magnus Alpha 2024 14mm
Hyperion Alpha 2024 16mm
Hyperion Alpha 2024 14mm
Scorpeus Alpha 2024 16mm
Scorpeus Alpha 2024 14mm
Does changing the end cap on a paddle void its legality? What if it is an aftermarket end cap, I.e. replacing the rubber end cap on the ALw-C to a plastic one, while making sure the overall dimensions of the paddle remain legal?
Gearbox Pro Power hits harder and is still approved?????
I knew it no surprise. I send out mine today! back to Joola.
did you send it back because of core crushing or to ask for your money back since you can't use it in tournaments. Mine has already core crushed after 30 hours of play and now this...I want my money back. Joola needs to step up or their PR issue will go off the cliff.
What about testing after break in
I have 4 paddles in my back but 2 that I really circulate between. I like my Mach 1 Forza 14mm for indoor ball play, and I like my 16mm CRBN 1X (now replaced by Gen3 Perseus for now…) for outdoor ball play, I do rotate though when I feel like playing different styles and I like it.
4 paddles in your back?
That must hurt.
The Joola saga goes on. Glad to see Babalot going deep into paddles. I'm a "paddle switcher" like the question suggests. I play with lots of players in Rec that play with 5,6 yr old paddles.
John can't you write off the STALKER as a business expense?
For sure I'm writing it off! But it really doesn't save you all that much
Compare the J2K to the Ruby. It would be very interesting to see how they stack up. The price point on the J2K is much lower. It would be nice to know if you are getting more paddle with the higher cost of the Ruby.
Colin Johns uses the Gen 2 Joola paddle for men’s and the Gen 3 for Mixed. So he’s the main example of switching paddles atm.
Good example
Ups 😬...They need to find a test that does not only considering the paddles, but also different balls to get certain limits to fix restrictions. Maybe moving the paddle while the ball is at a defined position (not fixed) could be a proper way?! Just a spontaneous idea 🤔
How about racket frame technology like the OM Aero1?
I know no one gives a toss about 4.0 singles but I wonder what that means for this tournament for me …
Some rumors on Reddit that “USAP CoR testing is underway” some kind of exit velocity test. Wondering if you guys have heard anything?
Sad to hear you dropped the Ruby!
With respect to paddle testing, for the good of the sport, there needs to be an independent, transparent, and publicly accessible/accountable advisory council, consisting of various representative stakeholders, including players(both professional and amature), equipment manufacturers, tour owners/administrators, tournament platform providers, tournament organizers(both professional and amature), rating companies etc. Until we have this, as well as full transparency, with respect to exactly what testing is being done(including exact terminology and definitions), what exact equipment/science is being used, what exact standards must be met, and exactly what specific failures are occuring, we will continue to have various private/secret political agenda's dominate paddle testing, resulting in ongoing frustration, confusion, speculation and distrust in the marketplace.
Great news
For clarification, the Alphas on the approved list are the OLD Alphas. The 2024 Alphas were taken off with the production models.
One of the main strategies in pickleball is to exploit your opponent’s weak points so taking advantage of someone’s mishap (falling) is 100% okay imo.
Have either of you guys tried the Mark One (Formerly Mark Kinetic?)
I hadnt heard of them, but just checked out their website and they look pretty sweet!
@@EddieK-PB I've heard them compared to the Thrive Azuls and they're like $40 cheaper so I figured you guys might be interested. I'm b/w that and the J2K for my next paddle.
Please review the paddles from "Standout Pickleball", the spin off company from Six Zero. They recently released the first ever edgeless kevlar paddle: KC1. Their CF3 paddle is sort of in-between the DBD and BD. I'd love to get your thoughts on this great but overlooked company and these 2 paddles.
How are they a spin-off of Six Zero?
Maybe not spin off but the co-founder of six zero started a new company
How much money is it going to take Joola to get the paddles back on the USAP list because you know....MONEY talks
Good one Eddie 😂. I wouldn’t have mercy on poor Ethel either. Even if she steps on the court with paddle in one hand and cane in the other, game on!
No mercy for the weak! ;-)
I remember back in the day when CRBN 1 got banned because it was too gritty...what a joke
Can you play with paddles that aren’t USAP approved in local tournaments (non PPA events)?
They answered this in the podcast. 19ish mins in.
It's up to the tournament organizers
Interesting thought : how come USPA is NOT settings limits on vibration of pickleball paddles ? That will enable fewer injuries?🤔🤔
Vibration??
Nobody is complaining about that. If vibration is a problem, do your research and buy accordingly. We already have enough problems trying to get rocket ships banned from the equation.
Will USAP set up a regulation on what techs or specs companies like joola can work on like Formula 1. It is unfair for companies to have their paddles to get banned if there is no standard being set. They should allow companies to submit their paddles to USPA to test them out for a certain period and get the necessary approval before selling them to public.
ProKennex still on the list. My Black Ace is a hot paddle too.
No it’s not. The Black Ace is a middling paddle power wise. What it does have is a ridiculous amount of pop and people confuse that for power.
Hey John, thank you for getting this breaking paddlegate 3.0 info out fast and early. It’s been all over reddit and discord today and I’m glad to hear your input. Rumor has it the Paddletek TKO-CX has also been banned due to the steel beads coming loose, do you have any further info on that as well?
Thanks! I haven't hear anything more yet on the PaddleTek issue, other than it seems to be a clerical issue and the CX will be back on the list soon
@@johnkewpickleball Awesome! I played with the TKO-CX 12.7 today and really liked it! Super snappy and crisp and drops and resets were also very comfortable. Maybe because I was coming from the Pursuit Pro MX? Interestingly enough, I also used the TKO-C 14.3 and felt like that paddle was not nearly as responsive or forgiving. Anyhow, thank ya sir! Take care.
Joola is a much bigger face in pickleball than Gearbox. Administrator error from 6 months ago? Seems odd and I wonder if they will get a pass because of who represents them. Wait and see, but if it’s an issue like CRBN had, just treat them the same.
"They had Starbuck back than" LOL
Ben Johns: But ref, my paddle is actually a Gen 2.
That xtra charge for the app is lame. Definitely should be fully unlocked with a $3k purchase.
The Hario switch has a ball bearing the is used with a toggle switch in immerse the coffee in the closed position or normal pour over in the open position. Lots of cool recipes can be made with the Hario Switch.
having a lot of fun experimenting with it!
People want paddles to get as powerful as possible, but fail to mention that Major League Baseball only allows wooden bats, not composite or other materials. They made that change for a reason, yet people think allowing technology to run amok in the major leagues of Pickleball is somehow maturity for the sport. Maturity is knowing responsible limitations, not 'anything goes.'
Joola caught with their pants down. Now they have to reissue these paddles
If we see the JOOLA paddles back on, you can bet it is about money donations to USAP. UPA-A, a subsidiary of PPA, is another downfall for the sport. JOOLA's response, what a crop of crap. Ben deserves it. If the tours got their crap together, more people would watch. But video and commentary are just horrible. That 9/2 ratio also includes when Federico first started out. So you are comparing a player with one year of experience with 8 years of experience. Big difference. Welcome to JOOLA quality.
👌😎🙏🔥
You could build a potato cannon to launch the balls. Probably cost you less than $100.
So, both of these guys use Joola Gen 3s as at least one of their main paddles, and yet those have been taken off of the Approved List. LoL.
Top 4-5 ish disc golfers are around 1 mil a year
Dang! That's not bad... I'm guessing PB is way bigger than DG at this point (# of participants), yes?
They shouod add you to UPA :)
Joola and Selkirk are the two biggest names in pickleball with a lot of sponsorship dollars. If Selkirk can get away with just a little slap on the wrist and a little fine for the hole in the paddle. I am sure Joola and USAP will work something out. Right now they are saying it's a testing issue and it is NOT a "ban" yet. There are millions and millions of dollars involved, they will figure it out. I will not lose any sleep over this. Meanwhile, I love playing my Perseus 3.
It happens all the time with softball bats.
Wait, did my guy trade in his amazing drum covers for pickleball? WE NEED YOUR TOOL COVERS
Haha, I miss the drum covers! But wow, they're such a massive production and take ages to record & edit
@johnkewpickleball Yes but they're soooo worth it and appreciated. I'm just happy to know you're still alive and well. Hit us with a pneuma or descending cover when you're up to it ;)
The Babolats are $220 with paint grit they are mehh
Coffee: drink it pure and undefiled.
So we will have multiple Approved Paddles from different oversite, forcing consumers to purchase multiple paddles.
Oh geez, the Invikta is powerful, not consistent or durable...that Paint Grit is Hwy Robbery.
will joola give a refund? thanks
Joola is saying this is due to an administrative error. There is zero chance that the biggest sponsor in pickleball is going to have their premiere paddle line banned. It will be back on the list sooner than later.
This paddle hasn’t even been out a month. Odds are you can return it via the normal policies.
@@vanadyan1674there are people gonna play tournament by next week..they gonna fix it in time for those who been using them ?
They'll give refunds beginning on Wednesday, 5/22 if the paddles haven't been USAPA approved. I emailed Joola customer service and that was their response.
@@jacoblauterbach5420 have to see that to believe it, it’s been two weeks I have requested a refund due to core crushing after 2, 3 hour sessions…..nothing other then a run around….
Joola gen 3 paddles have horrible quality control, I compared of couple of them and the variance in grit is alarming!
Eddie killing it in the white camo melin hat 🧢
Is Eddie, Wills dad?
No.
@@samuraistabber if Chris and Eddie had a baby, it would look just like Will
slighly older cousin, my man! 😂
Pine tar 🤣
crazy, right?
Joola what a scam they pulled on the Pickleball public.
It's amazing the amount of whining coming out of professional pickleball. I personally think you guys (Pro's) and the pickleball governing bodies are all going to ruin the game of pickleball if they continue on this path. It is a game after-all, at least it was 5 years ago until all the greed took the game over.
I am in my mid 60s and have played every racket and paddle sport there is. I've coached high school and Collegiate level tennis and have been a teaching pro most of my life. I have watched the progression and advancements in technology of equipment in every sport. From my first wood racket, the Jack Kramer Autograph, to aluminum, magnesium, and now graphite. Anything with ping pong paddles, same thing with racquetball, badminton, squash etc. As far as I know none of the advancements in equipment ended any of those sports.
Sure the advancements in equipment might make it more intimidating for some people to enter into a sport, but it also allowed some to jump-start that sport based on the newer technology, lowering the learning curve. Tennis is a great example. You really need to hit thousands of balls in practice to be even somewhat proficient at the game. With tennis racket technology what it is, larger sweet-spot, more power, better balance, and less vibration, it helps more people perform better from day one. Giving more people the opportunity to play and possibly continue playing the sport. Maybe this applies to you with some of the sports you attempted or play currently. Some people just can't play tennis, some people can't play racquetball, some people can't play Pickleball. Some people can't do anything athletic or anything that requires coordination. Are we supposed to dumb everything down for these people? I'm 5 ft 10, I didn't play basketball in high school. Should they have lowered the net for short people? I don't think that's the answer, and I don't remember complaining to everybody that the net was too high. Should we turn back the clock with the advancements of golf clubs and golf balls? If the same equipment is available to everybody that wants to play, I don't see a problem. If you're only worried about getting hit with the damn ball then put some freaking glasses on. I've been playing pickleball for 4 years I've never once gotten hit in the face, and I'm playing with 4.5-6.0 level current and ex-tennis players who are now playing pickleball in the prime of their life. These guys hit hard. I'm not saying getting hit in the face can't happen, but I also played competitive tennis and having played for 55 years, with all the volleys that were exchanged, I never once got hit in the head or face with a tennis ball
Not sure what motivation is behind so many people that are saying this is all negative, I just don't get it. I personally think you guys (Pro's) and the pickleball governing bodies are all going to ruin the sport. There's already way too many conditions and rules with regards to pickleball. Especially when you consider these conditions and rules seem to change hour by hour. How is anyone supposed to keep up with this. You can't do this now, you can't play with that now. People at the rec level calling you out because of a suspect paddle when they have the means to go buy the same paddle.
I think the (Pro's) and the pickleball governing bodies are making way too much out of this. Here are 2 possible solutions at the pro level, since that's where most of the complaining seems to be coming from. 1. Give up your paddle endorsement and play with the paddle you want to play with, or 2. why don't you all play with the exact same paddle. If you want to use edge guard, lead tape, or a grip, that's fine, but it has to be the exact same paddle. Then it comes down to pure talent. I get the feeling that some people are threatened by lesser players having an opportunity to play better and have more shots available to them. I think the paddle technology has more of a benefit for the woman's game more than the men's game, be careful what you wish for ladies. In my opinion, the pro level tends to be about money and endorsements. Who is going to determine what is enough spin, oh that's too much. Oh that's enough power, oh wait that's too much. Everybody hits the ball at a different pace and different spin. I think you guys need to be more patient and just let the sport evolve. The sport is not for everybody and the best will always rise to the top and they will always adapt, just as they have in other sports. The one paddle argument is similar to the same basketball being used throughout the NBA, everybody just adapts. They went from a 38 mm ping pong ball to a 40 mm ping pong ball merely to slow it down for television. Everybody adapted. I think changing the pickleball probably makes more sense, maybe a Nerf ball.
I realize I'm ranting and I appreciate your patience but I can't figure out for the life of me why these guys are so upset. You wear shoes to protect your feet, you wear long sleeves and sunscreen to protect your skin, you wear a hat to protect your eyes from the Sun, if you feel you need to wear glasses, then wear glasses. I purchased my first Selkirk Tyson McGuffin paddle 4 years ago, since then I've gone to the Pro Kennex Black Diamond, and now I use the Tyson McGuffin gen 3 Joola. I've been able to hit much bigger spinning shots, top spin Lobs, passing shots with the spin that I should be getting out of every shot that I hit considering my skills with a tennis racket. I'm having more fun now than I've ever had playing pickleball. Several of the people in our group of 60 people feel the same way. So far no one in our group has said anything at all about somebody hitting too hard or having too much spin. We have several people now using the Gen 3 Joola, Gear Box, and other hard-hitting very gritty paddles, I haven't heard anybody complaining that there's too much spin and too much power. As I stated, we have ex-college tennis players and these guys hit hard. People just chalk it up to talent and body structure. Maybe we should require a 20 something ex-college tennis player to hit with a dead paddle and never play against lesser or older players. See how stupid that sounds. You guys can refuse to play with those paddles anytime you want, but I don't see anybody going backwards. The better you are and the better you get, you are less likely going to hit somebody in the face. The lesser players don't have the power or ability to threaten most people across the net. Maybe it's just me but, I watched a match that took place the other day and one point in particular lasted 81 shots. I personally don't care to see more than a few points in a game that lasts 81 shots. I like the faster game as a player, and as someone who watches a lot of pickleball. Most of the players I know feel the same way. Okay, now let me have it.
I don’t think they are banned. Joola is claiming it’s an administrative error, and that kind of makes sense. Why? If it were about the power of the paddles, then the Gearbox Pro Power and the Vatic Pro Oni should have disappeared from the database as well. But they didn’t.
That lends some credence to Joola saying it’s an administrative error that they will get worked out with USAP.
No one should spend 280 for a paddle. Its not worth it.
It's interesting. Five years ago, Selkirk came out with the first paddles at $200. Everyone (so to speak) was saying, they would never sell, they weren't worth it, etc. They were sold out for at least 6 months. :) For me, it's just interesting.
@@davidj7516And within a few months, Vanguards disappeared from the courts because they were too soft and people were starting to figure that out.
Joola is saying this is due to an administrative error. There is zero chance that the biggest sponsor in pickleball is going to have their premiere paddle line banned. It will be back on the list sooner than later.