As an Avatar Belial main, i'd put him at low A. or at least above Kat in B+. His problems are mostly 2: 1. His tools are pretty mid unless you spend hp (heavy version or pact), and even then only 236H is really good and Pact... Well... Pact is pact. Doesn't help that Wings Bestowed (22x) is basically a dead button in high ranks, since it's a super high risk move that can be easily OS'd. 2. His damage gimmick is in an awkward spot where, sure, you can 2 touch people, but so can a lot of other characters (Hell, Siegfried does the hp for dmg gimmick way better, with almost just as high damage and not position reliant) and you can't buff it because then he'd just TOD you, and that'd be bs lol. Doesn't help that 2B just came out and she deals just as much damage as him with crazy normals and good oki
Tbh, the biggest issue i have with ferry is that, even though she is vulnerable to being hit for 60% from halfway across the screen or longer, she can output like a maximum of 1.8k or 2.8 if u use the meter, with no ability to really take advantage of it since they're really far off. So while she has the tools to force more guesses from range, because of her long recoveries, if she guesses wrong once, or can't react with her slow normals/ spotdodge in time, they will blow you up for damage equivalent to you guessing right and punishing/ counterhitting them 4 times in a row or more, while also putting you in the corner. And while yeah zoners shouldn't have good damage to compensate for range, i really do think she needs more reward on a counterhit or when stuffing out a bad jump from range, cos right now, she really does not get anything even if the opponent does something stupid despite being potentially 2 shotted from her own "best range". This just seems like an issue thats really overlooked by most ppl who rank ferry just in general, whether or not they say she's strong or weak. Metera seems to has less issues with this since her style of zoning does not extend her hurtbox nor can it be crushed since most 50 meter halfscreen bs tend not to beat projectiles. But she does definitely have a bad time with U skills like soriz's or Faa's, tho overall i think she and ferry are in about a similar place. Then theres all the 66l crap that both of them have to deal with which just feels horrible. Metera seems to be able to use it in certain matchups, but it seems very difficult for ferry to justify using 66l cos she's so slow (2nd slowest chara in terms of forward movement, just behind vaseraga).
It's kind of a miracle that every character is playable. With the various minor bugs in the game it's pretty clear they ran out of time to properly test and balance everything. Nier existing as she does is mind boggling. They really gave Zeta up+back into 60% and a triple overhead mix, then when someone asked if Kat should get a fourth special move the room went silent. Still fun as hell though, but I'm really wanting that balance patch... even if it's just to spice things up a bit.
i’m an s++ zeta player and i definitely agree that she is top 3 at least. backjump 22u into 10k dmg with full meter is absurd in neutral and as a throw bait, and it’s very hard to punish on block. fshiki overhead 50/50 that loops into itself in a game where real mix is hard to come by is crazy. her buttons are absurd and have multiple anti air ranges compared to a lot of other characters. she can punish jumps or certain fullscreen options on reaction with 623u into 10k dmg and a 50/50 lol. her u counter beats safejumps and her l counter is very spammable in neutral against characters with bad lows and leads into a combo with her insane corner carry. her counter is also a good anti raging strike option since it tanks the hit and leads into a full combo while being safer than spot dodge if ur not confident in ur reaction. her pogo pressure is kiiind of gimmicky since u can fuzzy block it or mash on it sometimes but the mental stack with multiple pogos and throws make it rough. there are definitely times where a dp is nicer than the counter since u can be counterhit out of the counter followups outside of u counter, so it can be a bit of a mind game. when i first started playing her after coming from yuel, i didn’t appreciate the counter bc i thought of it like a dp too much, but now i much prefer it to a dp, esp when other anti throw options exist. also djeeta broken idc what anyone says, most underrated char in the game.
Based on my climb to so far with Ladiva I really don't see how she's the worst character. Her mixup game forces people to move in a way that few characters can do. I really think she's in the A's somewhere. As for Soriz, I think he's gonna be A-tier or high B once people figure him out. His U punch has people hyping him up way too much. Other than those 2, this list feels right.
As a Vaseraga player, no we are not playing the same game lol. He can't even use the dash trick everyone else has because all of his dash attacks are beyond bad.
I play with Uno, and he's probably A tierish? He can control space from full to mid screen, has parries and parries into attacks, he has a dive kick like attack that's more utilitarian than anything, and a special that creates lockdown situations. He's the most practical character in the game, IMO. His one weakness is the lack of a DP.
wow thats rough. im having an amazing time climbing with yuel and my yuel is having issues compared to narmaya. narmaya feels like she 2-3 touches and yuel feels like she 4-5 touches even with optimal combos. being able to just run up, K.5L, K.5L, K.2m into random options feels easy to crack people with compared to stuff like c.5L, F.5l, 2m, into yuel options :/. ill need to play yuel more i guess but im barely climbing through s+. the matchup spread for yuel also seems worst and getting anti air hits with jh without getting a ground conversion blows. probably skill issue so ill rewatch your guide and watch slime play a bit but also probably just s+ players not reacting to narmaya 214U making them extremely free how do you feel about yuel into luc? that matchup has been absolutely terrible for me
I do think Yuel's low midscreen damage often and no real "neutral skip" U/Heavy Special can make it feel like you just straight up lose some games for no reason to people who don't seem to be thinking very much haha. But I also just watched a bunch of Slime vods and then slowly became way more comfortable controlling the pace of the games in S++ until I finally hit Masters. Maybe I'm underrating Narmaya because I'm just way better at Yuel though LOL. I think the matchup is actually pretty good. You can die for no reason like many Yuel matchups, but I don think she thrives against characters with no meterless DPs in general.
yeah i relate with this really hard. too many people like yourself seem to make her work really well so gotta grind more then :) great content as usual
I think Narmaya has the same syndrome as Ky from +R. She has good tools, but she’s pretty honest as of now. Her Neutral skips are great, but you can get hit out of U transient, and whiff U Somersault if they so happen to move. I think what they need to do is buff her gimmicky moves. M mist finer is a trap and needs less start up frames. 66H is a punish only tool and will get you thrown. Make L anf M Transient a little faster so that they’re better on KD Other than that, I agree. Her ultimates are really strong
hey man will you be playing relink? i love granblue fantasy (especially khumbira) because im also a buta haha!
As an Avatar Belial main, i'd put him at low A. or at least above Kat in B+.
His problems are mostly 2:
1. His tools are pretty mid unless you spend hp (heavy version or pact), and even then only 236H is really good and Pact... Well... Pact is pact. Doesn't help that Wings Bestowed (22x) is basically a dead button in high ranks, since it's a super high risk move that can be easily OS'd.
2. His damage gimmick is in an awkward spot where, sure, you can 2 touch people, but so can a lot of other characters (Hell, Siegfried does the hp for dmg gimmick way better, with almost just as high damage and not position reliant) and you can't buff it because then he'd just TOD you, and that'd be bs lol.
Doesn't help that 2B just came out and she deals just as much damage as him with crazy normals and good oki
Tbh, the biggest issue i have with ferry is that, even though she is vulnerable to being hit for 60% from halfway across the screen or longer, she can output like a maximum of 1.8k or 2.8 if u use the meter, with no ability to really take advantage of it since they're really far off. So while she has the tools to force more guesses from range, because of her long recoveries, if she guesses wrong once, or can't react with her slow normals/ spotdodge in time, they will blow you up for damage equivalent to you guessing right and punishing/ counterhitting them 4 times in a row or more, while also putting you in the corner. And while yeah zoners shouldn't have good damage to compensate for range, i really do think she needs more reward on a counterhit or when stuffing out a bad jump from range, cos right now, she really does not get anything even if the opponent does something stupid despite being potentially 2 shotted from her own "best range". This just seems like an issue thats really overlooked by most ppl who rank ferry just in general, whether or not they say she's strong or weak.
Metera seems to has less issues with this since her style of zoning does not extend her hurtbox nor can it be crushed since most 50 meter halfscreen bs tend not to beat projectiles. But she does definitely have a bad time with U skills like soriz's or Faa's, tho overall i think she and ferry are in about a similar place. Then theres all the 66l crap that both of them have to deal with which just feels horrible. Metera seems to be able to use it in certain matchups, but it seems very difficult for ferry to justify using 66l cos she's so slow (2nd slowest chara in terms of forward movement, just behind vaseraga).
It's kind of a miracle that every character is playable. With the various minor bugs in the game it's pretty clear they ran out of time to properly test and balance everything. Nier existing as she does is mind boggling. They really gave Zeta up+back into 60% and a triple overhead mix, then when someone asked if Kat should get a fourth special move the room went silent.
Still fun as hell though, but I'm really wanting that balance patch... even if it's just to spice things up a bit.
haha couldn't agree more. Overall the game is great but some of the few decisions are quite funny
i’m an s++ zeta player and i definitely agree that she is top 3 at least. backjump 22u into 10k dmg with full meter is absurd in neutral and as a throw bait, and it’s very hard to punish on block. fshiki overhead 50/50 that loops into itself in a game where real mix is hard to come by is crazy. her buttons are absurd and have multiple anti air ranges compared to a lot of other characters. she can punish jumps or certain fullscreen options on reaction with 623u into 10k dmg and a 50/50 lol. her u counter beats safejumps and her l counter is very spammable in neutral against characters with bad lows and leads into a combo with her insane corner carry. her counter is also a good anti raging strike option since it tanks the hit and leads into a full combo while being safer than spot dodge if ur not confident in ur reaction. her pogo pressure is kiiind of gimmicky since u can fuzzy block it or mash on it sometimes but the mental stack with multiple pogos and throws make it rough. there are definitely times where a dp is nicer than the counter since u can be counterhit out of the counter followups outside of u counter, so it can be a bit of a mind game. when i first started playing her after coming from yuel, i didn’t appreciate the counter bc i thought of it like a dp too much, but now i much prefer it to a dp, esp when other anti throw options exist. also djeeta broken idc what anyone says, most underrated char in the game.
Fantastic insight, appreciate it!
Based on my climb to so far with Ladiva I really don't see how she's the worst character. Her mixup game forces people to move in a way that few characters can do. I really think she's in the A's somewhere. As for Soriz, I think he's gonna be A-tier or high B once people figure him out. His U punch has people hyping him up way too much.
Other than those 2, this list feels right.
As a Vaseraga player, no we are not playing the same game lol. He can't even use the dash trick everyone else has because all of his dash attacks are beyond bad.
Yeah, Uno is absurly underrated. Putting him in B+ bellow Katalina is actually absurd to me.
I play with Uno, and he's probably A tierish? He can control space from full to mid screen, has parries and parries into attacks, he has a dive kick like attack that's more utilitarian than anything, and a special that creates lockdown situations. He's the most practical character in the game, IMO. His one weakness is the lack of a DP.
wow thats rough. im having an amazing time climbing with yuel and my yuel is having issues compared to narmaya. narmaya feels like she 2-3 touches and yuel feels like she 4-5 touches even with optimal combos. being able to just run up, K.5L, K.5L, K.2m into random options feels easy to crack people with compared to stuff like c.5L, F.5l, 2m, into yuel options :/. ill need to play yuel more i guess but im barely climbing through s+. the matchup spread for yuel also seems worst and getting anti air hits with jh without getting a ground conversion blows. probably skill issue so ill rewatch your guide and watch slime play a bit but also probably just s+ players not reacting to narmaya 214U making them extremely free
how do you feel about yuel into luc? that matchup has been absolutely terrible for me
I do think Yuel's low midscreen damage often and no real "neutral skip" U/Heavy Special can make it feel like you just straight up lose some games for no reason to people who don't seem to be thinking very much haha. But I also just watched a bunch of Slime vods and then slowly became way more comfortable controlling the pace of the games in S++ until I finally hit Masters.
Maybe I'm underrating Narmaya because I'm just way better at Yuel though LOL.
I think the matchup is actually pretty good. You can die for no reason like many Yuel matchups, but I don think she thrives against characters with no meterless DPs in general.
yeah i relate with this really hard. too many people like yourself seem to make her work really well so gotta grind more then :) great content as usual
Narmaya is A Rank. I main her too. She top 5
I think Narmaya has the same syndrome as Ky from +R. She has good tools, but she’s pretty honest as of now. Her Neutral skips are great, but you can get hit out of U transient, and whiff U Somersault if they so happen to move.
I think what they need to do is buff her gimmicky moves. M mist finer is a trap and needs less start up frames. 66H is a punish only tool and will get you thrown. Make L anf M Transient a little faster so that they’re better on KD
Other than that, I agree. Her ultimates are really strong