"I think there is a moral difference between perhaps donations versus bribery... the school benefits and for other kids tuition and it might pay for new programs or something that can benefit people. Bribery doesn't go to the school." WATCH NEXT: How Broken The College Admissions Process Is - bit.ly/2JIUKko
I see that you include no Asian Americans in your conversation. It is typical behavior to exclude Asians. And yet, they are the group that got in on merit, after climbing over the highest hurdle.
@@handyman8764 just because one video doesn't include Asian Americans doesn't mean Vice is systematically discriminating or excluding Asians from their videos. Please use Logic. I do agree however with the last statement, but that's still a generalization.
@@handyman8764If it weren't for "Affirmative Action" many if not most these White kids would likely have gotten in on their own. That's the bigger scandal. The East Asians are shafted even more.
This goes for many things. Different people have advantages on different aspects of life. I bet everyone complaining would be the first to claim his priveledges while denying the same priveledges and thanking their success to "hard work" This dude seems pretty honest about this and I respect him a lot more than the whiners.
Harvard has been shamed by being tricked into hiring a fake Indian and also someone to teach The Constitution who has obviously never even read The Constitution. Ivy league schools are a joke they turn out grads like the Bushes, the Obamas, the Clintons, Al Gore All bought degrees, except the Obamas theirs were affirmative action, no child left behind.. Everyone knows none of those could pass a GED.
Seriously. Your legacy family member could be a complete dumbass. Legacy =/= qualified for admission to college. Although the integrity of a "prestigious" university is meaningless anymore in light of this.
No the legacy thing is only used because it shows that the student may be more likely to attend that supposed school. It just so happens to be that the legacy and their children/brother/sister/cousins are also extremely smart too. They dont solely base your acceptance off a legacy status, however, it definitely helps.
I know. It's incredibly unfair. For me personally, I had to score incredibly high to get into a good school on scholarship, and about half of my classmates barely did better than average but got in because they were lucky enough to be rich or have a relative in school.
Those schools want to maintain their culture as time goes by. Being a legacy means that you grew up raised / surrounded by a person who more often than not, has been an influence to you, or has shared those main core values with you, in comparison to someone who is not a legacy and has no ties to the school. Highly selective school’s will always have a soft spot for their alumni.
He's right, but we live in a system that promotes that. This world is unfair. I'm won't be upset at the kid who grew up with privileges because kudos to whatever their parents did that got them there. Also that kid took advantage of the resources and worked hard on his own merit. The money from the donation will also help so many more students. As for the kid who got there because their parents cheated and bribed, the kid probably didn't take advantage of their rich resources when they were young and couldn't have gotten in even with legacy status. The bribe money only benefited the individual who took the bribe, and their parents defrauded taxpayers, by claiming charitable contributions. Essentially, the taxpayers paid for their kids to take a spot from another kid who deserved to get in.
interview: What does this all mean? Glasses Kid: "It ain't meritocratic. I think it suggests we should be more cognizant about where we're pulling our talent pool from. Because just because it says Yale on your degree, how much does that mean? IDK, maybe less than you think?"
@Abitamim Bharmal >hurr durr start a business She is literally complaining about rich people BRIBING college officials to get their undeserving kids an education. You want her to get rich so she lobbies her own undeserving kids as well? Wealth gaps aren't necessarily bad, but when they get this large, and the rich can screw over regular people in every aspect of society there is an undeniable problem. Not everyone wants to be a CEO or start a business, some people want to be teachers, journalists, or a paramedics, all jobs that are crucial to our society but are underpaid. Do these people's kids not deserve a fair chance at a higher education? Should everyone just start a business?
Glasses guy is probably the smartest of the group. Not only is he book smart, but he's aware of how society operates, his privilege, and how that not only benefits him but disadvantages others. Although he cannot relate, he is empathetic and humble. That's what earns you genuine respect. The others seemed resistant/hesitant to acknowledge not only their wealth/privilege but also the more disadvantaged communities. There's nothing wrong with having wealthy parents or being wealthy, but to be willfully ignorant about it is iffy.
Yeah, I'm not going to NOT use my advantages because it makes other people upset. Life is unfair, get over it. Instead of blaming people for your disadvantages, try doing something to make your life better.
"It ain't meritocratic. I think [the college admissions scandal] should make us more cognizant of where we're drawing our talent pool from. Just because it says 'Yale' on your degree, how much does that mean? I don't know. Maybe less than you think." glasses dropping BOMBS.
That much is undeniable. If it makes you feel any better, his father is a noted history professor history and his mother works for NIH, so his family is lower-upper or upper-middle class. That's probably why he's so much more in touch than the average panelist.
I feel the guy working in the school paper dropped quite a bomb too... To get to work in those kind of projects you either have the means or your struggle towards failure. Meaning most journalist, coming out of big schools, will probably present a bias towards ultra capitalistic and classist thoughts associated with upper middle to high class. Also probably used to network and tit for tat, etc. Maybe a good point to analyse why modern journalist so often miss the big picture? They only ever understand a tiny sliver of the world.
@@stonecake313 It absolutely shouldn't be, but as a former high school teacher the amount of pressure put on kids not just to go to college but to go to a "good" college is absurd and tremendously unhealthy. Sure some individuals are more susceptible to that than others, but it's definitely a cultural issue we need to deal with.
Slam dunk at the end. With all the people buying and donating their way in, actual merit is really not that important. So how valuable is a degree from a top tier school where merit isint valued? "Maybe Less then you think."
alextheskaterdude07 -Al Gore sent 4 kids to Harvard. -NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio sent his son to Yale -Obama sent one of his to Harvard -Andrew Cuomo, New York’s governor sent one kid to Harvard and the rest to Brown. -Richard Bloomenthal sent a kid to Harvard -Chuck Schumer sent 2 kids to Harvard -Eliot Spitzer sent a kid to Harvard -Bob Menéndez sent a kid to Harvard -Chelsea Clinton breezed into Stanford -3 different senate members sent kids to Yale Something tells me they didn’t get in based off of merit. Just a hunch! m.ruclips.net/video/fhHH1AJtZ3Y/видео.html
@@alextheskaterdude07 that's right. It's only prominent democrats who rig the system. open your eyes man. this isn't about R vs. D. It's the super wealthy vs. everyone else. class division is their goal and your'e lapping it right up.
@@Maymei99 look for "debate rounds Whitman AA". him and his brother debated for Walt Whitman. ruclips.net/video/ySilKwA6mJQ/видео.html thats a vid of him and his brother
Well, I hope the young black lady in Florida, who re-took the SAT; after she received tutoring, took online classes, & studied the princeton review prep book; but then was told by administrators that she cheated because her score was higher the second time; I hope she goes back & demands her second score be counted.
If I’ve taken the psat before without studying and without a calculator and scored in the 1200 range would my score be rejected if I scored near perfect on my junior year psat. This time I will study because I want to be a national merit scholar
But if your surrounded by people as rich or richer than you your entire life, you wouldn’t realise that what you have isn’t the norm. But it is a little weird
Jonny Blaze I work in corporate America and I never had an employer who ask me about the school that I attended. The only job that I ever heard that the employer would care about the school you attend are lawyers. How old are you?
@@yuentsang6903 Why would they ask if when you got hired you gave them your resume? Are you telling me that a boss or manager is going to look at an application the same even tho one says community college and the other Harvard? Are you serious?
Jonny Blaze Yes my sister when to Columbia and she had such a difficult time finding a job. Her job pays her far less than expected. I went to a no name school and earn twice as much as her. Studies have shown that university of Wisconsin is the the top CEO producer with 14 alumni who are current Fortune 500 CEOs.
LMAO that one rich kid "I was never really exposed to other wealth classes before going to yale" buddy, you're going to one of the most prestigious ivy leagues in the country, you still have NO IDEA what it's like to be broke.
@@arp2178 Exposure teaches you thinks. Humans are blessed with empathy so you dont need to suffer to understand someone’s suffering on some level. But if youre not exposed, your brain doesn’t get that perspective.
@@josephdahdouh2725 You do realize that a rich person would pay a couple hundred thousand while the less wealthy would pay a couple hundred or a few thousand. Who is helping their country more?
@@h.cheema7818 What I'm saying is that the rich exploit the poor, and their salery increases, they become rich and richer while the poor combat taxes and will on both cases not contribute as much as the rich to their community because they are just financially incapable. By letting the poor pay little less taxes and the rich much more taxes(maybe just maybe will the poor be able to stabilize and adapt into your horrible ideology, when they do stabilize than they can and are capable of providing more for their country). The only reason why the rich are fined at low costs in percent to their income is that the rich influence the law and change everything so to benefit their own greediness. By paying slightly more tax the rich, which they absolutely can as they don't really need all the money that they have US can lower taxes on the poor. It's really not gonna affect the rich much, the only thing that would take place would be less poverty and crimes, and a greater contribution to the US government. Instead of paying $100,000 the rich can pay $120000 for e.g by doing so, the poor could pay instead of $1000 they would pay $800. This extra $200 income could allow the poor to save more money and increase in wealth at the same time the total impact on the economy/taxes that are rexeived will not be affected as much because the rich would be compensating for the poor.
@@jamalbouayad744 his name is literally in the video. Had you watched the first 1:20 minutes of the video, could have saved you 10 minutes of scrolling down the comments
it’s ok to be wealthy what is not ok is to use your wealth as an advantage to get something other people worked had for. I’m not talking about materialistic items, I’m talking about education, jobs etc. it’s not ok to deprive someone of their future, just because you have a unfair advantage of having wealthy parents
You're assuming that the wealthy only gain advantage through connections and that is not true. The wealthy have access to more resources like tutors, better healthcare, and time (students that are wealthy might not need to find a job while studying) etc. Wealth will always bring advantage.
So you’re saying that having wealth is okay as long as you don’t use it to gain things other people don’t have? As in, having wealth is okay as long as you don’t use it to better your private education to better your chances at being accepted into colleges or getting jobs? As in, you don’t buy a car because it’s an advantage on people who have to use public transport?
Harvard has been shamed by being tricked into hiring a fake Indian and also someone to teach The Constitution who has obviously never even read The Constitution. Ivy league schools are a joke they turn out grads like the Bushes, the Obamas, the Clintons, Al Gore All bought degrees, except the Obamas theirs were affirmative action, no child left behind.. Everyone knows none of those could pass a GED.
I remember the first time I learned that people had tutors and classes for the SAT .... I was so surprised... it never occurred to me that I had a disadvantage because of my lower middle class status because I never felt like I lacked when I was growing up... I don't feel bad about it I had a lot of advantages ... but it definitely makes me think about how underutilized talents are because of lack of funds to develop.... fair would be nice but the world isn't fair
At my school we have programs where u can go in for tutoring from grads at a certain time, it’s all free as long as ur a student I’m shook this is acc an issue in America I’ve never had this problem and I’m middle class if I’ve ever needed tutoring or help I just register many other schools around ours has this too. I think if u can afford it and care about ur education ofc u should get it but I’ve never thought it was a privilege thing Cause even when I had a private tutor she cost me twenty bucks a session I thats Just two hours of work like how much y’all paying ur tutors lol
@@catherinesmith5793 Do you know that tutors--or hell, heat and toilet paper--are not available at all American schools? Or that for many people, $20 a session is more than they have?
@@Wednesdaywoe1975 I never said they're available at all american schools? And 20 bucks isn't hard to come by I saved up twentys for a whole year to get a tutor with work, it's like an hour of work a day depending on what you do. There's resources everywhere it's just a matter of using them, and if I had the resources that these rich dudes have ofc I'd get a tutor if I needed one cause that's bettering myself as a person why wouldn't I do that? I think using ur resources to better yourself individually and using ur resources to cheat are two diff things.
@@catherinesmith5793 There's just an inherent difference between the chances that a rich kid gets in comparison to a poorer one. Of course poorer kids can work harder and achieve success, but there's still a difference between both.
He's either going to be the greatest Economist in the nations history, code the ultimate "Where did my glasses go" app, or be the greatest Serial Killer in the nations history up until 2064.
Theres a fine line between, donations, gifts, and BRIBERY. In many countries giving a "gift" is considered as a form of BRIBERY. That dude with the glasses is AWARE of his privilege... he was so real and I appreciated that!!!!!
If you do something good for the school (a *private business* ), e.g. pay for a building, why shouldn't they do something good for you in return? Public schools are a completely different matter, and they should be impartial in the admissions process, but Yale is a private institution. They should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they want as far as admissions. That's not to say I agree with the practice of using a large donation as a bribe, just that it shouldn't be illegal.
@@tissuepaper9962it encourages unfair admission and neglect of disadvantaged but talented individuals. When an institution gives you something because you gave them something in return, that is bribery. That's not how admissions work.
It's not that weird, really. Everything is relative. A relatively poor person in the US, might be seen as relatively middle class in an even poorer country. Not being able to attend a prestigious university because of the system might seem less unfair when compared to people that couldn't go to elementary school because they didn't have one. If you've only ever known an upper middle class of privilege in a western country, and so have the people around you, it's not stupid of you to think of it as the norm. The fact that she acknowledged it in the first place is a good thing.
Still shocked that 'legacy' is a genuine thing that helps your application - I don't know if we have it here (UK) but I struggle to see how it can be justified at all
I think we do, people whose parents went to Oxbridge definitely have a better chance of going there. I have a family member who goes to Cambridge and they explained how so many of their class mates were "second / third generation" students... So yeah, we might not be as meritocratic here in the UK as we like to think.
Only House Stark Lives Matter I completely agree with that - although the video made it seem as though legacy is a written down concrete contribution to your application in the US, whereas I get the impression that oxbridge will suss it out at the interview and give a sneaky advantage. A bit more underhand.
@@sophiejames2688 Yes, at most American universities (private ones, at least) they will ask you if any of your relatives attended directly on the application, and aren't shy about the fact that it helps your application. I honestly don't think it's something that needs to be justified in the case of private schools. They're private businesses, who can serve (or not serve) basically whomever they want (except in certain cases involving protected classes). It shouldn't exist at public schools, and, as far as I know, it holds very little weight at most public institutions. Sometimes they'll give people with legacy a cheaper tuition (for example, ISU admissions is based on a publicly available mathematical formula using your GPA and ACT score, i.e. it's as meritocratic as possible. If you have legacy at ISU, it doesn't affect whether or not you get in, but it makes tuition significantly cheaper.)
@@sophiejames2688 It is. Although I will say that it def depends on the school. 50% of Harvard's population is legacy I believe, which really goes to show just how much and how many people benefit from it. I think having legacy status def helps one in a college application--not just private schools bc in the US, some public schools are HUGE on legacy as well-- because it not only shows the ways that one's family has "'helped" the school, it also shows that the student is more likely to be financially more well off, which means they get to give out fewer grants, something I believe private institutions value.
We have it in Mexico, if a familiar of yours went to Tec de Monterrey or UNAM you will get preference over the others. It has been like that for a long time so I'm not surprised Yale does it too.
The group of 4 with the guy with the glasses you could tell 3 out of 4 were rich due to their answers they don't really understand what it means to not to have wealth, tutors and instant resources. The 2nd group felt and was more real in their answers due to being on the opposite spectrum which is where the vast of majority of people are.
I got what the grey shirt meant by tutors tho like one person who doesn’t work hard but comes from wealth just pays for admission, someone else who also has wealth gets tutoring to better themselves they work hard and are admitted because of the tutoring they received like they got in on their own I think that’s the difference he was tryna point out, some use wealth to cheat the system but do those who use their wealth to better themselves and their knowledge and weakness like getting tutoring, count as cheating the system. I personally get how it’s resources not everyone can afford but it’s not the same as bribing ur way in you are bettering yourself you have built yourself up to be admitted if I had wealth hell yeah I’d invest in tutors
I felt that only that one guy with the glasses was knowledgeable about social issues. All other 6 were very lost. Even the 3 non-rich kids were just complaining and not just talking about any good idea for change or anything.
To be fair with the wealthy students the boy with the glasses was a junior. The other three were sophomores and a freshman. The other group was all seniors. I feel that he knew what was up because he was older and he’d been at school long enough to see through all the bullshit. I’m not saying that’s the only reason, but you definitely learn more the older you get.
Is having a high income a bad thing? NO! Is being a legacy bad? NO! Does being a lower income student in Yale make you a charity case? No & it shouldn't ever be that way. The issue is allowing a student of any economic class into a school when they do not meet the same academic merits as their fellow students.
Yeah, you really can’t change your parentage. If your parents are from Yale or Princeton or Harvard, you can’t change that. Even if you don’t mention it on your application, it’s still going to be there. The point is, there should not be any factoring of this random chance that is “what you’ve been born into” in college applications.
@@avinashreji60 and by this you shouldn't go in due to affirmative action because that is just the victim card and you might just be as bad as someone going in because of legacy.
@@rohanprince96 No. If you have parents that studied at a prestigious university, that already means you have better resources (be they economic or educational) than a person who does not. You already have an advantage, which means adding the "legacy" thing is an unnecessary extra. People that get into these universities despite their background, are given something because they had nothing but their own drive and talent. They had a disadvantage, but are given a pass that evens it out slightly. These two things are not the same.
@@Zeverinsen It's a private institution, it doesn't need to be fair, and it shouldn't be forced to be fair. There's no such thing as fair. The best solution is to make it known that Ivy Leagues aren't the only places to get a great education, and that, oftentimes, they're worse than a comparable public school due to the lack of diversity (a huge part of a college education is learning how to work together with people from diverse backgrounds, something that's hard to learn when you're at a school chock-full of upper class people). If you aren't a fan of the fact that a private institution is allowed to give certain students preference, just don't go to a private school. Go to your state school, or a public school with a good program for what you want to study, because, chances are, it will be just as good of an education or better.
@@ibieiniid4240 Exactly. We gotta stop inviting people to the cookout for the bare minimum on race relations and anti-racism. There is so much more to do than just acknowledging that one has privilege.
See, it's because of this simplicity of thought that politics is so radicalized these days. You see someone who will talk in a way that pleases your mindset while they haven't actually invested anything towards that ideal beyond words. Now when a similar individual is more honest about their views you brand them as racist while they are no different than the individual you've supported. Be more discerning, question everything.
@Michelle Appiah well idk the demographics of Yale but I think the Ivy league school is not a place for homogeneity these are the best schools in the country and arguably the world I think the best minds from all backgrounds in America should be going to Yale Harvard etc
Guy with the glasses is speaking the truth! 🙏🏼 you can see the emotion boiling underneath haha, he was close to losing his composure. I'm not sure if the other guy was arguing with him, or just playing the devil's advocate, but regardless- paying someone to take your SAT is amoral, as well as donating to a school so your kid can get in. Would you still see your doctor if they got into med school by bribery, faking SAT scores, legacy, etc..???
I think what really pissed him off was comparing a donation vs bribery to getting a tutor vs paying someone to take your SAT. Because only getting a tutor adds to one's merit while everything else is admitting "I can't get in so I'll pay to win".
This will continue to happen. Elite Colleges will never stop taking money, that's stupid. Just make sure to make as much money as humanly possible so you can one day make a huge donation and up your kid's chances of getting into an elite school.
What I noticed is that the lower income students would constantly look at each other while speaking, as if they collectively wanted to make sure that what they're saying was true for the others and not overshadow their experiences onto others, where as the richer students would directly face the interviewer and only answer by looking at her and only turn their head to see if someone else was talking. The difference of independent vs. interdependent holds very much true when it comes to wealth.
Glasses dude is what I expect from a yale student, I'm sure the others are very smart individuals but none of them showed nearly as much smart person power as he did
He is actually a great debater....he was 2 time national high school debate champion...while at yale he won the North American universities debating championship and finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World universities debating championship.
I see him being sincere . He had to battle with a golden spoon in mouth , but he himself is intelligent, on his own merit And are we to blame him for being born of wealth?. He is being forth-right. I appreciate these students expressing their thoughts, opinions. Baby boomer salutes you.
That guy is one of the rare exceptions where even if he wasn't a legacy he would have probably still gotten into Yale on his academics (you can tell by his attitude and how he kept saying it should be 100 percent about academics). The other kids at his table are not so lucky so while they acknowledge the system is unfair and favors the rich they do not want it changed because they like being at the top.
@@PCAchievements This comment is so odd to me. What do you mean by "rare exceptions"? You realize that wealth generally means higher levels of education, earlier and greater mental stimulation, early access to professional experience and a strong support network, right? All those factors make it such that many wealthy legacies are far superior to other applicants. I can understand your general sentiment about the impact of wealth on admission but it's a massive stretch to assume a qualified legacy is a "rare exception".
Aggressively Amicable I was thinking the same thing. Wealth itself isn’t always what gets you in. It’s usually the opportunities in life it affords you. And though that’s not meritocratic, it’s not illegal nor is it inherently wrong.
@@NiceGuy678 if its money that someone earned through hard work and dedication, then sure. If its money that was handed to you as a favor (ie. Campaign contributions or inheritances) then obviously there's no merit, just privilege
Duane Lee I was talking about it in regards to college admissions, and how donations to the school means your kids get in no matter their grades. I don’t think it should work that way no matter how that parent got their money.
The only difference between Yale and a public state school is that Yale has the “reputation” whilst being 10x more expensive. You’ll learn the same thing by the end of a degree in any college.
You will not learn the same thing by the end. I'm guessing you didn't fully understand what they said in the video. Having a degree from Yale will give you better opportunities and better education but it won't make you a needle in the haystack as many people believe.
for people who were shocked by these allegations, this has been happening for CENTURIES, and I think more people should be held accountable and this should've been investigated years ago. People who get in through their parents, and have no motivation for education take that opportunity away from someone more deserving.
Think about all the black, brown, & low-income students who arrive at college & are made to feel as if they don't deserve to be there, while so many rich white students have their parents buy their admission to college & rarely experience the same skepticism.
John Henderson Because without extra points for not being white or Asian, the admittance rates for them drop way down. Also, Black women are the most heavily educated group in the US.
@@andrewhuckstable5996 Where are you getting this factual source from? Or is it your own opinion, because black people as a whole make up lower a percentage at universities compared to other minorities like Asians.
Theoneandonly88able Salon, The Root, Upworthy, The Independent, the center for educational statistics. Whites are still the majority in many areas of the US, so even if white women for example outnumber black women 3 to 1. Black women are still proportionally getting more degrees.
Zerxz The donation to the school is legal but when you’re bribing one admissions officer then it’s illegal. Both will probably give you the same results but I would imagine you would have to donate more money than you would bribe.
Still, you go to an education for yourself, for your reasons, what YOU want to do with your life. What that school lets in and what it does isn't a reflection of you.
@Gabriel Huang well no, because he is a realistic and should i say humane man. He acknowledged that things such as privileges exist and doesn't try to wiggle out of it.
well he actually deserves to be there....he was 2 time national high school debating champion(first and only person to do so)....while at yale he won the North American debating championship and has finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World university debating championship.
This college admission scandal you keep learning more about how they exposed the system. To be that rich and take advantage of the advantages given to the disabled is quite despicable.
OG Cookie Monster you must be very young to just realize that the rich and famous get what they want by acting or paying there way . Just look around your family. Most of them got there job by knowing or smacking it up to someone for jobs, you lie on a daily basis to sell your products to the masses or by that top shelf for your products the world is built on lies , eat this lose weight eat this get fat . Your children are born in a culture of lies and you haven’t figured it out . Can’t blame this on trump diet water
I think that is a new thing we learned. That people are even willing to game the disabled to get their rich children into college. We always knew about buying buildings to get your kids in (as the parents of poorer children would say "thanks for buying the library my kid studies in") but this scandal is definitely a new low.
CanadaUSTango Then you missed the down fall of the poor and the not willing to play along lost everything after 9/11 , everyone got researched and almost every government , doctor, lawyers, had printed there diploma, or had paid someone to print them , the poor couldn’t defend them selfs and the rich paid news agencies not to publish there names,
Rich parents paying psychologists to "diagnose" their kids with a learning disability to get them extended time on exams is nothing new. It happened pretty regularly at one of the high schools at which I taught. Personally I think timed tests are bullshit in the first place, but being able to work around those limitations just because your family has money is downright shitty.
It's refreshing to see the higher-income kids be really aware of their privileges, discussing the issue in such a mature way and overall having a good head on their shoulders. Education does make a difference!
That girl saying she thought she was middle class till she got to Yale is me realizing how broke I actually am when starting college lmao. My friends are all pretty affluent so they couldn't understand when I explained that if I miss the bus and have to uber I don't get to eat dinner. They even pointed out that I work four jobs, I should be fine. Boi no, those paychecks belong to my landlord and my loans lol.
and at least they are upfront about it and didn't fraudulently get in. As a private school it is completely valid for them to sell admissions for money. At least if they do it that way their reputation will tank if too many people pay to get in.
@@MilitanT07 .... you stating the big difference like that supposed to matter.... you pretty much buying your way into college you can call it what you want but that's what it is... making it seem like the school needs the donation that's why is it a donation... donation to cheat the tax codes the same thing as this
@@collinyan7467 .... only reason why they are up front about it because it's legal for some reason... so if I told you I killed somebody that makes it right because I told you upfront
The kid with the glasses is the Great Nordic White man. Lorenzo Arvanitis is Hispanic & Albanian. Nike shirt only exists @ Yale because The Great Nordic White Man passed laws that allowed him to be there. No matter how hard he tries... he will fail. 3rd world brains fail.
Either IQ is most important, in which case certain races are more valuable than others. Or raw ability is, in which case whoever can amass resources by whatever means is most valuable.
The unfairness of life makes my blood boil sometimes. I've personally come up in privilege but have watched my lower class friends suffer as they desperately try to care for family, themselves, all while trying to make proud everyone whos ever supported them and make it far in life.
I remember the first time I visited Boston. I paid a visit to the Natural History Museum at Harvard. As I was leaving, walking through the campus, I was looking around at this highly prestigious school, and thought to myself, "Wow! Harvard. Your parents must've beaten you senseless in order for you to have earned your spot at a school like this. Turns out, for some students, the exact opposite is true.
He is actually a great debater....he was 2 time national high school debate champion...while at yale he won the North American universities debating championship and finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World universities debating championship.
This is quite a stupid comment. A SINGULAR college may not be a genuine qualifier of who you are - if only you have been rejected because of a similar debacle. However, anyone good enough to actually get into Yale and lose their spot because of this is guaranteed to be a very successful/bright person and are sure to achieve admissions in many other excellent schools.
_in my eye What if you had a doctor who never went to college or medical school, but apprenticed under a doctor for 10 years then took the exam and passed and got licensed? (This option used to be available)
To assume schools are meritocratic is wishful high schooler thinking. Higher education, particularly private, is a business and they need to keep running. Ivy League schools didn’t reach their status because only the brightest and best attended, but because the movers and shakers attended. Those movers and shakers are most often wealthy to start with. And alumni donations drive school rankings, with more donation getting a higher ranking. Nepotism is alive and well in more than just higher education. Even the best jobs are reserved for family and friends. Some low quality wealthy student will donate more than a high quality poor student would, simply because grades don’t matter. But even the one poor girl said it. She didn’t feel the need to donate back to her alma mater. It’s not the grades you make, but the hands you shake.
Although I don't go to Yale, I go to another ivy league school in New England and this situation really makes me confused. It seems like a lot of people hate on Black and Latinx students for getting in because of their race. Yet, it took this situation for a lot of people to realize that rich elites have WAY more power in college admissions than low-SES black students from places like Chicago. Why aren't we looking at the richest people in America to make sure that they don't game the system instead of poor people of color?
Bc some people are racist. There are the same people who came up with the myth of the welfare queen. If POC are gaming the welfare system of course they want affirmative action to game their way into college system even though legacy students make up a larger part of the population than students of color.
I think the big issue is that black and latinos get tons of free $$$ from these schools to diversify their school while upper class people are stuck with $70k tuitions :/ i would rather have no affirmative action and use that money for people who are already in that college. Most of my friends and I are stuck with huge loans while poor under qualified students get a lot of free money...its just the way life is and theres nothing we can do about it just look at welfare in america :D live with this or cry about it your whole life lol
It's not poor people of color. More often it's rich people of color that benefit at the expense of ALL poor people. Cory Booker, Barack Obama, they weren't poor. They're considered out of touch even for black people. Remember 2008 election? Obama wasn't considered black enough cause he wasn't from a rough neighborhood. He had to earn his way in but he didn't grow up with the same disadvantages as most blacks. That's why affirmative action is flawed, it's helping the rich still, not the poor with less resources.
That might be somewhat true but the majority of black kids I know here at Dartmouth come from low-income/immigrant backgrounds who didn’t have a leg up. If you’re going to get rid of AA, at least do something to help poor kids who don’t even have boots to pull themselves up by.
the thing is, when you graduate from college, having an ivy league on your resume opens up a lot of doors. no, it may not get you the job, but having that on your resume will for sure get you an interview.
This scandal has been such a mindfuck. I hear if I've gotten into Yale (and other Ivy schools) this week and it's made the whole waiting game so existential.
I wish you luck, but you have to be realistic. Bribery is ridiculous, but donations from a family with intelligent people one of whom may gain entrance helps the school as a whole. That money pays for programs.
@@kathleenannmodina-angue4540 Yeah he did. Also, why is everyone calling this kid rich? HE WENT TO A PUBLIC HIGHSCHOOL. His parents are probably upper-middle class.
@Richard Durkee Yeah, but if your income isn't being provided by parent's then not working while being a full-time student isn't an option. This is why many options for advancement in society are off of the table for people who aren't lucky enough to be born into an affluent family. The route for advancement for the lower-middle class and the poor is usually filled with a significant more amount of stress, time, and struggle. There is a huge amount of barriers for the lower class that the upper class is ignorant to. And I don't blame people for ignorance, because it's not their fault. The system is entirely broken and strongly favors classism. For example, a highschool student could have aspirations to attend an ivy league school and has the drive, ability, grades, and extracurriculars that make them qualified. Yet, their parents never even attended college and live paycheck to paycheck, so the kid will have to be entirely self-sufficient. Even if they have their school expenses paid through scholarships and waivers. They need money to pay rent, eat, have clothes to wear, or for any other random circumstances, so working enough to pay for all these is necessary. People underestimate the intense mental and physical battle it is handling all of that as a fresh 18 year old who doesn't even have a grasp on the world yet. It also is disheartening seeing all of these other students who do the same amount of studying, yet the free time they have left can be spent enjoying themselves and and usually going on vacations and out to eat when you work full time, attend school, and still don't even have enough to get a combo and not eat off the dollar menu lol.
Richard Durkee still, there’s plenty of kids that have a full schedule (16-18 hrs a trimester, I’m on a trimester system) and work more than that. I work at least 25 hrs a week with a full academic schedule.
StaciMay not in an Ivy but that’s essentially been my story. My parents are immigrants so I’ve had to work two jobs while in college. It’s insulting to hear my advisor tell me “work less and get involved”
@@foxobsession96212 Listen asshole. Its better that the wealthy reap the rewards than the middle class getting further squeezed to pay for the poor who feel they deserve something.
The rich kid in glasses was the only rich kid that didn't look like a deer in headlights. The rest of the affluent kids had the kind of look on your face when you forget your line in a play and you are waiting for a prompt from offstage. Probably how their job searches are going to go.
I never thought about how affirmative action is basically the poor getting an advantage the way the wealthy get an advantage. If you hate affirmative action, you should hate extreme wealth advantage in the admissions process.
lol how the hell could you NOT see affirmative action as an initiative intended to balance opportunity? women, white women, were the main beneficiaries of the program and yet its crapped on as if its problematic
Soul Glow Yeah so I definitely saw it as an intention to balance opportunity, but I hadn’t known about college admission scandals. I thought Affirmative Action was simply accounting for the fact that wealthier people have better opportunities. My point was that I realized the wealthy also have access to illegal opportunities like paying off college admissions. I realize I didn’t make that clear. Anyway have a good day
The amount of praise the "dude with the glasses" is getting is insane. Even just someone simply not absolving themselves of their privileges garners so much appraisal and support, especially in America compared to other countries. In my country, he'd be one of many.
He is actually a great debater....he was 2 time national high school debate champion...while at yale he won the North American universities debating championship and finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World universities debating championship.
6:58 Genius! I've been saying that for years. Employers need to figure out a better way to vet potential employees and their capabilities, other than looking at a degree.
The issue with "Ivy" league level universities is largely that, either the student distribution is from wealth, or from poor communities. There is little to no middle class involvement it seems. I got the chance to visit Yale back in 2007, and it was an amazing place, but frankly it was obviously skewed towards a social hierarchy. Going to a public university myself, there are huge differences in resources, class mobility, and job prospects going to a place such as Yale, but a lot of that is due to social constructs built while in school, not so much the degree itself, that just gets you the first $100k paying entry level job in a major city like NY, Boston, or Seattle etc., It gives you a leg up, but only for the first 5 years after graduation. If you take advantage of it though it can change your lifelong trajectory a lot.
WASP in glasses just can’t deal with his peers. He is absolutely disaffected. He’s gonna be successful in business, yet go through three failed marriages.
He's not a wasp. Look at his name. WASP = white anglo-saxon protestant. He is not anglo-saxon he is Nordic/northern European. Anglo-saxon means British. And he very well might be catholic.
I didn't have the money for college so I went to community college. Mom stole my dead dads military benefits, I didn't see a dime of it. I got accepted into the Temple University for Electrical Engineering. Couldn't attend because of money. But that's okay, today I'm the founder of Electron Mechanical Corporation with my community college education. Either you are smart or not, no college can raise your IQ!
Going to college also helps if you wanted to get into a research field where you need experience working in a lab that you wouldn't get into otherwise without the experience at your school .... but if it's not something amongst those lines.....pretty pointless imo
Can you explain why? You're not the first to say that, and given that he only spoke 3 times I'm interested to hear what resonated with you. He's a rich legacy from Yale - what spoke to you about his message?
DominatingNA what spoke to me is the fact that he knows he’s privileged and he’s not sugarcoating anything. For example when the other kid said they think donating is not morally the same as bribing, he thinks in the end they are all the same and will definitely get your kid in. I admire that he’s not downplaying the fact that he knows for sure his privilege got him and other kids into Yale.
MexicanTacos 07 Peopoe value candor. He was open and honest. Based on the succinctness of his arguments and his apparent maturity, I have a feeling he would’ve gotten accepted regardless of his legacy status. He knows he belongs based on his intellectual acumen. The others...not so much (especially Mr. Grey Nike Shirt, who’s in complete denial of his privilege).
This sort of thing is extremely common, especially at law schools, even third tier law schools. I have seen wealthy and privileged students register for law school and hardly ever attend school, except to show up for graduation.
"I think there is a moral difference between perhaps donations versus bribery... the school benefits and for other kids tuition and it might pay for new programs or something that can benefit people. Bribery doesn't go to the school."
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I see that you include no Asian Americans in your conversation. It is typical behavior to exclude Asians. And yet, they are the group that got in on merit, after climbing over the highest hurdle.
Donations are the same damn thing as bribery,just because you bought a new gym doesn't mean your spoiled brat should get in.
@@handyman8764 or maybe no Asians wanted to do it?
@@handyman8764 just because one video doesn't include Asian Americans doesn't mean Vice is systematically discriminating or excluding Asians from their videos. Please use Logic. I do agree however with the last statement, but that's still a generalization.
@@handyman8764If it weren't for "Affirmative Action" many if not most these White kids would likely have gotten in on their own. That's the bigger scandal. The East Asians are shafted even more.
Straight up dude said he has advantages. Moral or not he has something others don’t. And that’s not always fair.
He gets it
ccv
Basically Life in general
It's not fair people wake up!!
This goes for many things. Different people have advantages on different aspects of life. I bet everyone complaining would be the first to claim his priveledges while denying the same priveledges and thanking their success to "hard work"
This dude seems pretty honest about this and I respect him a lot more than the whiners.
so true
Harvard has been shamed by being tricked into hiring a fake Indian and also someone to teach The Constitution who has obviously never even read The Constitution. Ivy league schools are a joke they turn out grads like the Bushes, the Obamas, the Clintons, Al Gore All bought degrees, except the Obamas theirs were affirmative action, no child left behind.. Everyone knows none of those could pass a GED.
The whole legacy thing is insane
Just because your sibling/ relative was smart enough to get into Yale, does not mean that you are.
Seriously. Your legacy family member could be a complete dumbass. Legacy =/= qualified for admission to college. Although the integrity of a "prestigious" university is meaningless anymore in light of this.
No the legacy thing is only used because it shows that the student may be more likely to attend that supposed school. It just so happens to be that the legacy and their children/brother/sister/cousins are also extremely smart too. They dont solely base your acceptance off a legacy status, however, it definitely helps.
Well, if that sibling/family contributes money into Yale, does it really matter if you are smart enough?
I know. It's incredibly unfair. For me personally, I had to score incredibly high to get into a good school on scholarship, and about half of my classmates barely did better than average but got in because they were lucky enough to be rich or have a relative in school.
Those schools want to maintain their culture as time goes by. Being a legacy means that you grew up raised / surrounded by a person who more often than not, has been an influence to you, or has shared those main core values with you, in comparison to someone who is not a legacy and has no ties to the school. Highly selective school’s will always have a soft spot for their alumni.
“Both are unfair to people that don’t have those resources” YES 👏🏼 my 👏🏼 king
Marlena Montano lmao
Yes
I can consider it unfair to have anything when there are people that do not have that thing.
He's right, but we live in a system that promotes that. This world is unfair. I'm won't be upset at the kid who grew up with privileges because kudos to whatever their parents did that got them there. Also that kid took advantage of the resources and worked hard on his own merit. The money from the donation will also help so many more students. As for the kid who got there because their parents cheated and bribed, the kid probably didn't take advantage of their rich resources when they were young and couldn't have gotten in even with legacy status. The bribe money only benefited the individual who took the bribe, and their parents defrauded taxpayers, by claiming charitable contributions. Essentially, the taxpayers paid for their kids to take a spot from another kid who deserved to get in.
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I love how we're just referring to him as the Glasses Guy
Here is your first comment
His name is Will arnesen
interview: What does this all mean?
Glasses Kid: "It ain't meritocratic. I think it suggests we should be more cognizant about where we're pulling our talent pool from. Because just because it says Yale on your degree, how much does that mean? IDK, maybe less than you think?"
*drops mic
I gasped when he said that, it was too good. Yeah he definitely seems smart enough to desirve to be there
Thank you for the transcription my english is not so good, and I was having problems understanding.
@@kaiasmith5404 He's also smart enough to keep it short and pithy.
@@kaiasmith5404 What he said wasn't rocket science🙄 ..... calm down, jeez! You are easily impressed. How old are you, 12?!
“your house costs more than my family has ever collectively had... ever” my broke ass felt this one 😂😂😂
nursinggirl 1219 😂
nursinggirl 1219 bro exactly
thats a realization that fraud had to be involved at some point for such a difference to have amassed.
She said she looks up the cost of the house of her friends' parents. Who the hell does that? Sounds like she has a chip on her shoulder about money.
@Abitamim Bharmal
>hurr durr start a business
She is literally complaining about rich people BRIBING college officials to get their undeserving kids an education. You want her to get rich so she lobbies her own undeserving kids as well? Wealth gaps aren't necessarily bad, but when they get this large, and the rich can screw over regular people in every aspect of society there is an undeniable problem. Not everyone wants to be a CEO or start a business, some people want to be teachers, journalists, or a paramedics, all jobs that are crucial to our society but are underpaid. Do these people's kids not deserve a fair chance at a higher education? Should everyone just start a business?
bro isn't that glassed kid like the king of debate. He's also dropping nothing but facts
For being a white rich kid he has a lot of common sense.
Dan Raiders Warriors Sharks Giants So you’re saying a poor black kid has more sense than him? LMAO
@@IhaveBigFeet I was implying rich white kids lack common sense.Whatever color you are and whatever income you are/were you clearly lack it.
Dan Raiders Warriors Sharks Giants So all rich white kids lack common sense? Lol stay poor idiot
Scrotum Deleter he didn’t say all so are you applying it ?
the guy in glasses just proved he deserve his spot at yale 😎.
Yes !!!
he's one of the best debaters of all time
Benson Fang lol yea pf kinda bad tho but he respectable
I saw the glasses kid last weekend
Benson Fang what’s his name
Glasses guy is probably the smartest of the group. Not only is he book smart, but he's aware of how society operates, his privilege, and how that not only benefits him but disadvantages others. Although he cannot relate, he is empathetic and humble. That's what earns you genuine respect. The others seemed resistant/hesitant to acknowledge not only their wealth/privilege but also the more disadvantaged communities. There's nothing wrong with having wealthy parents or being wealthy, but to be willfully ignorant about it is iffy.
He was the best debater in HS of all time
Yeah, I'm not going to NOT use my advantages because it makes other people upset. Life is unfair, get over it. Instead of blaming people for your disadvantages, try doing something to make your life better.
@@overdrive7349 Why do you sound pressed
@@pigeon2605 is that the new trending short word for depressed now?
@@overdrive7349 Nah, it's another word for annoyed or pissed off
"It ain't meritocratic. I think [the college admissions scandal] should make us more cognizant of where we're drawing our talent pool from. Just because it says 'Yale' on your degree, how much does that mean? I don't know. Maybe less than you think." glasses dropping BOMBS.
it means what it has always meant. Yale means you have network (or access to a network) that opposing graduates do/did not.
Only one rich kid got it.
That much is undeniable.
If it makes you feel any better, his father is a noted history professor history and his mother works for NIH, so his family is lower-upper or upper-middle class. That's probably why he's so much more in touch than the average panelist.
What about Students who committed suicide cuz they didn't get in????
If only they knew it was rigged .....
I feel the guy working in the school paper dropped quite a bomb too...
To get to work in those kind of projects you either have the means or your struggle towards failure.
Meaning most journalist, coming out of big schools, will probably present a bias towards ultra capitalistic and classist thoughts associated with upper middle to high class.
Also probably used to network and tit for tat, etc. Maybe a good point to analyse why modern journalist so often miss the big picture? They only ever understand a tiny sliver of the world.
Akshay Ash your life shouldn’t be attached to getting in to a specific school, those students clearly had their own issue
@@stonecake313 It absolutely shouldn't be, but as a former high school teacher the amount of pressure put on kids not just to go to college but to go to a "good" college is absurd and tremendously unhealthy. Sure some individuals are more susceptible to that than others, but it's definitely a cultural issue we need to deal with.
Slam dunk at the end. With all the people buying and donating their way in, actual merit is really not that important. So how valuable is a degree from a top tier school where merit isint valued? "Maybe Less then you think."
don't forget affirmative action too
@@statisticalcomputing You got that right. There are "minority" students getting diplomas that aren't worth toilet paper.
alextheskaterdude07
-Al Gore sent 4 kids to Harvard.
-NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio sent his son to Yale
-Obama sent one of his to Harvard
-Andrew Cuomo, New York’s governor sent one kid to Harvard and the rest to Brown.
-Richard Bloomenthal sent a kid to Harvard
-Chuck Schumer sent 2 kids to Harvard
-Eliot Spitzer sent a kid to Harvard
-Bob Menéndez sent a kid to Harvard
-Chelsea Clinton breezed into Stanford
-3 different senate members sent kids to Yale
Something tells me they didn’t get in based off of merit. Just a hunch!
m.ruclips.net/video/fhHH1AJtZ3Y/видео.html
@@alextheskaterdude07 that's right. It's only prominent democrats who rig the system. open your eyes man. this isn't about R vs. D. It's the super wealthy vs. everyone else. class division is their goal and your'e lapping it right up.
I may be wrong but trump went to harvard. If harvard is so bad, it explains a lot of shit.
If more of the rich kids were like Glasses kid I think the world would be a better place. I want to be his friend.
he could be a very good liar for all we know. God knows how many people in politics present themselves as genuine but are actually scumbags
He was a super star in speech and debate. Look at the old debate rounds on the internet and you’ll see him
@Brick Buddy Studios Really? Do you have any link or suggested words for search?
@@Maymei99 look for "debate rounds Whitman AA". him and his brother debated for Walt Whitman.
ruclips.net/video/ySilKwA6mJQ/видео.html
thats a vid of him and his brother
@@brickbuddystudios actually went to whitman with him when he was a senior. Him and his identical twin brother murdered everybody in debate.
Well, I hope the young black lady in Florida, who re-took the SAT; after she received tutoring, took online classes, & studied the princeton review prep book; but then was told by administrators that she cheated because her score was higher the second time; I hope she goes back & demands her second score be counted.
That’s so much bullshit, it’s almost as people can learn and improve themselves with hard work! Is that not the point?
If I’ve taken the psat before without studying and without a calculator and scored in the 1200 range would my score be rejected if I scored near perfect on my junior year psat. This time I will study because I want to be a national merit scholar
LMFAO They actually confirmed she cheated. Stop standing up for cheaters
@Cersei Lannister Ikr it completely earraped my phone screen.
@@flightevolution8132 when did they confirm that ?? all I've seen is that she agreed to do a retake and she was already an honor student as well.
lol girl with glasses had to go to Yale to realise how rich she was
I know, right??? Wow.
Right? What a moron
Pigsy Walcott Lmfao right. as if Yale even has socioeconomic diversity. pathetic like other top colleges, all a playground for the top 20%
But if your surrounded by people as rich or richer than you your entire life, you wouldn’t realise that what you have isn’t the norm. But it is a little weird
She is an Indian and show off is their hobby.
I agree with the kid that say a degree from Yale probably doesn’t mean as much as most people think.
Naw, an elite school degree will open the floodgates of opportunisties.
Jonny Blaze I work in corporate America and I never had an employer who ask me about the school that I attended. The only job that I ever heard that the employer would care about the school you attend are lawyers. How old are you?
@@yuentsang6903 Why would they ask if when you got hired you gave them your resume? Are you telling me that a boss or manager is going to look at an application the same even tho one says community college and the other Harvard? Are you serious?
Jonny Blaze Yes my sister when to Columbia and she had such a difficult time finding a job. Her job pays her far less than expected. I went to a no name school and earn twice as much as her. Studies have shown that university of Wisconsin is the the top CEO producer with 14 alumni who are current Fortune 500 CEOs.
@Yuen Tsang, you are so correct and now days a degree from any University really does not mean much, just my opinion.
you can tell the kid with the glasses has no time for the other rich kids. lololololol.
Ashley Prather he's like CUT THE SHIT!!!!!!!! He has no time PERIODT
his face is a disapproval of those elitist ignorant students
That dude is pretty famous he did debate
he gives me sheldon vibes
@@anthonythe5336 i def could see him doing that he seems awesome
One universal truth spans all humans of all sexes, races, classes, religions: everyone hates discrimination unless they benefit from it.
All two of those sexes XD
AT THE CORE intersex people exist! Biological sex can even be something crazy like XXY, there’s more than two there.
@@katysmith1284 An exception to the rule doesn't change the rule, and intersex individuals still have only TWO sexes.
🙌
Very very very very true
LMAO that one rich kid "I was never really exposed to other wealth classes before going to yale" buddy, you're going to one of the most prestigious ivy leagues in the country, you still have NO IDEA what it's like to be broke.
he nver said he knew what it was like to be broke, just that hem had never even come across with people on a different tax bracket
@@arp2178 Exposure teaches you thinks. Humans are blessed with empathy so you dont need to suffer to understand someone’s suffering on some level. But if youre not exposed, your brain doesn’t get that perspective.
@@NatGarcia-hj8pq You know that the poor are taxed the most right? The top 1percent are taxed the least that's how America's system work
@@josephdahdouh2725 You do realize that a rich person would pay a couple hundred thousand while the less wealthy would pay a couple hundred or a few thousand. Who is helping their country more?
@@h.cheema7818 What I'm saying is that the rich exploit the poor, and their salery increases, they become rich and richer while the poor combat taxes and will on both cases not contribute as much as the rich to their community because they are just financially incapable. By letting the poor pay little less taxes and the rich much more taxes(maybe just maybe will the poor be able to stabilize and adapt into your horrible ideology, when they do stabilize than they can and are capable of providing more for their country). The only reason why the rich are fined at low costs in percent to their income is that the rich influence the law and change everything so to benefit their own greediness. By paying slightly more tax the rich, which they absolutely can as they don't really need all the money that they have US can lower taxes on the poor. It's really not gonna affect the rich much, the only thing that would take place would be less poverty and crimes, and a greater contribution to the US government. Instead of paying $100,000 the rich can pay $120000 for e.g by doing so, the poor could pay instead of $1000 they would pay $800. This extra $200 income could allow the poor to save more money and increase in wealth at the same time the total impact on the economy/taxes that are rexeived will not be affected as much because the rich would be compensating for the poor.
The glasses guy (Will Arnesen) is a debate god. I wish they let him speak more!
Quynh Ha I LOVE U .ive been scrolling down these comments for 10 minutes looking for his name
@@jamalbouayad744 his name is literally in the video. Had you watched the first 1:20 minutes of the video, could have saved you 10 minutes of scrolling down the comments
Precisely because he is so good at debating he doesn't need to speak that much.
Please dont blaspheme.
Rich guy with the glasses knows what to say to not get in trouble later on in life
he's preparing for a career in politics
I thought exactly the same 😂
I’m so dead
You got that right, but though I have a feel he not to be trust. He look shadowed for a rich people.
Shade person I meant.
it’s ok to be wealthy
what is not ok is to use your wealth as an advantage to get something other people worked had for. I’m not talking about materialistic items, I’m talking about education, jobs etc.
it’s not ok to deprive someone of their future, just because you have a unfair advantage of having wealthy parents
You're assuming that the wealthy only gain advantage through connections and that is not true. The wealthy have access to more resources like tutors, better healthcare, and time (students that are wealthy might not need to find a job while studying) etc. Wealth will always bring advantage.
So you’re saying that having wealth is okay as long as you don’t use it to gain things other people don’t have? As in, having wealth is okay as long as you don’t use it to better your private education to better your chances at being accepted into colleges or getting jobs? As in, you don’t buy a car because it’s an advantage on people who have to use public transport?
@@TheGamer583 Brings up a really good question-- won't there always be that kind of problem wherever there is any kind of income inequality?
@@TheGamer583 they literally said they weren't talking about materialistic items.
so it's O K to use "fake" poverty to get what you want like the Obamas?
They're all going to end up working for guy in glasses.
Harvard has been shamed by being tricked into hiring a fake Indian and also someone to teach The Constitution who has obviously never even read The Constitution. Ivy league schools are a joke they turn out grads like the Bushes, the Obamas, the Clintons, Al Gore All bought degrees, except the Obamas theirs were affirmative action, no child left behind.. Everyone knows none of those could pass a GED.
A students working for c students
Yuck
Or 20/20 ... Date line... EXTREME VIOLENCE, they couldn't fathom him not enjoying his privilege and ability to rationalize
YES
I remember the first time I learned that people had tutors and classes for the SAT .... I was so surprised... it never occurred to me that I had a disadvantage because of my lower middle class status because I never felt like I lacked when I was growing up... I don't feel bad about it I had a lot of advantages ... but it definitely makes me think about how underutilized talents are because of lack of funds to develop.... fair would be nice but the world isn't fair
At my school we have programs where u can go in for tutoring from grads at a certain time, it’s all free as long as ur a student I’m shook this is acc an issue in America I’ve never had this problem and I’m middle class if I’ve ever needed tutoring or help I just register many other schools around ours has this too. I think if u can afford it and care about ur education ofc u should get it but I’ve never thought it was a privilege thing Cause even when I had a private tutor she cost me twenty bucks a session I thats Just two hours of work like how much y’all paying ur tutors lol
@@catherinesmith5793 Do you know that tutors--or hell, heat and toilet paper--are not available at all American schools? Or that for many people, $20 a session is more than they have?
@@Wednesdaywoe1975 I never said they're available at all american schools? And 20 bucks isn't hard to come by I saved up twentys for a whole year to get a tutor with work, it's like an hour of work a day depending on what you do. There's resources everywhere it's just a matter of using them, and if I had the resources that these rich dudes have ofc I'd get a tutor if I needed one cause that's bettering myself as a person why wouldn't I do that? I think using ur resources to better yourself individually and using ur resources to cheat are two diff things.
@@catherinesmith5793 There's just an inherent difference between the chances that a rich kid gets in comparison to a poorer one. Of course poorer kids can work harder and achieve success, but there's still a difference between both.
Sebastian Ellis well said
The “privilege” jumped out and only the kid with the glasses cough it.
The guy with glasses speaking truth!
Ella Augusta he was probably one of the best public forum debaters in the events history
He's either going to be the greatest Economist in the nations history, code the ultimate "Where did my glasses go" app, or be the greatest Serial Killer in the nations history up until 2064.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing I would hope he find a more respectful profession than economist.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Haha since when is spitting truth in an IDGAF attitude a qualifier for being a serial killer?
Theres a fine line between, donations, gifts, and BRIBERY. In many countries giving a "gift" is considered as a form of BRIBERY.
That dude with the glasses is AWARE of his privilege... he was so real and I appreciated that!!!!!
He was the only one who got it. The others were blind beyond belief.
He was woke af
If you do something good for the school (a *private business* ), e.g. pay for a building, why shouldn't they do something good for you in return?
Public schools are a completely different matter, and they should be impartial in the admissions process, but Yale is a private institution. They should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they want as far as admissions. That's not to say I agree with the practice of using a large donation as a bribe, just that it shouldn't be illegal.
@@tissuepaper9962 Because that's bribery. It's corrupt. It degrades society by rewarding corruption.
@@tissuepaper9962it encourages unfair admission and neglect of disadvantaged but talented individuals. When an institution gives you something because you gave them something in return, that is bribery. That's not how admissions work.
Man, that one rich dude is WOKE!
Scarter63 And you’re too. I can tell.
'Woke' yawn, if all things were ecen the top schools would be 90% asian
Scarter63 HAHA
so that girl had to go to Yale in order to understand that she is "well off" wow
And that dude with the Nike shirt too. He said even his high school was homogenous
It's not that weird, really.
Everything is relative.
A relatively poor person in the US, might be seen as relatively middle class in an even poorer country.
Not being able to attend a prestigious university because of the system might seem less unfair when compared to people that couldn't go to elementary school because they didn't have one.
If you've only ever known an upper middle class of privilege in a western country, and so have the people around you, it's not stupid of you to think of it as the norm. The fact that she acknowledged it in the first place is a good thing.
😥 they all did seem a little slow and detached to me, except for the guy in glasses
Still shocked that 'legacy' is a genuine thing that helps your application - I don't know if we have it here (UK) but I struggle to see how it can be justified at all
I think we do, people whose parents went to Oxbridge definitely have a better chance of going there. I have a family member who goes to Cambridge and they explained how so many of their class mates were "second / third generation" students... So yeah, we might not be as meritocratic here in the UK as we like to think.
Only House Stark Lives Matter I completely agree with that - although the video made it seem as though legacy is a written down concrete contribution to your application in the US, whereas I get the impression that oxbridge will suss it out at the interview and give a sneaky advantage. A bit more underhand.
@@sophiejames2688 Yes, at most American universities (private ones, at least) they will ask you if any of your relatives attended directly on the application, and aren't shy about the fact that it helps your application.
I honestly don't think it's something that needs to be justified in the case of private schools. They're private businesses, who can serve (or not serve) basically whomever they want (except in certain cases involving protected classes).
It shouldn't exist at public schools, and, as far as I know, it holds very little weight at most public institutions. Sometimes they'll give people with legacy a cheaper tuition (for example, ISU admissions is based on a publicly available mathematical formula using your GPA and ACT score, i.e. it's as meritocratic as possible. If you have legacy at ISU, it doesn't affect whether or not you get in, but it makes tuition significantly cheaper.)
@@sophiejames2688 It is. Although I will say that it def depends on the school. 50% of Harvard's population is legacy I believe, which really goes to show just how much and how many people benefit from it. I think having legacy status def helps one in a college application--not just private schools bc in the US, some public schools are HUGE on legacy as well-- because it not only shows the ways that one's family has "'helped" the school, it also shows that the student is more likely to be financially more well off, which means they get to give out fewer grants, something I believe private institutions value.
We have it in Mexico, if a familiar of yours went to Tec de Monterrey or UNAM you will get preference over the others.
It has been like that for a long time so I'm not surprised Yale does it too.
shoutout to the ally in glasses for keeping it real
youcometome9 rich homie recognizes classism and privilege and doesn’t absolve himself from gaining from it? That’s an ally I’d say.
He's a debate champion
LOL "ally" too funny
@@jackielana9993 yet still advantages from being a legacy lmfao if he was a real "ally" he'd give up his spot to a minority
And that last line of his sums it up
The group of 4 with the guy with the glasses you could tell 3 out of 4 were rich due to their answers they don't really understand what it means to not to have wealth, tutors and instant resources. The 2nd group felt and was more real in their answers due to being on the opposite spectrum which is where the vast of majority of people are.
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I got what the grey shirt meant by tutors tho like one person who doesn’t work hard but comes from wealth just pays for admission, someone else who also has wealth gets tutoring to better themselves they work hard and are admitted because of the tutoring they received like they got in on their own I think that’s the difference he was tryna point out, some use wealth to cheat the system but do those who use their wealth to better themselves and their knowledge and weakness like getting tutoring, count as cheating the system. I personally get how it’s resources not everyone can afford but it’s not the same as bribing ur way in you are bettering yourself you have built yourself up to be admitted if I had wealth hell yeah I’d invest in tutors
@Shiek Dad yeah, both require money.
I felt that only that one guy with the glasses was knowledgeable about social issues. All other 6 were very lost. Even the 3 non-rich kids were just complaining and not just talking about any good idea for change or anything.
@@ElizabethAfeworki and?
5:41 - When gray t-shirt guy says Yale was the "most diverse" school he's been in, white-t-shirt guy's eyes were like "WTF?" LOL
He probably went to some place where everyone has family ties lol
That’s the rich for ya
muzictalks those kids don’t look rich wearing 20 dollar t shirts lmao
alek
you can wear $20 shirts and still be rich. not all rich people are constantly flexing their wealth.
Dave David
i mean i guess it does make sense.
To be fair with the wealthy students the boy with the glasses was a junior. The other three were sophomores and a freshman. The other group was all seniors. I feel that he knew what was up because he was older and he’d been at school long enough to see through all the bullshit. I’m not saying that’s the only reason, but you definitely learn more the older you get.
Is having a high income a bad thing? NO!
Is being a legacy bad? NO!
Does being a lower income student in Yale make you a charity case? No & it shouldn't ever be that way.
The issue is allowing a student of any economic class into a school when they do not meet the same academic merits as their fellow students.
you shouldn't get in as legacy, it just helps perpetuate a system in which the rich dominate
Yeah, you really can’t change your parentage. If your parents are from Yale or Princeton or Harvard, you can’t change that. Even if you don’t mention it on your application, it’s still going to be there. The point is, there should not be any factoring of this random chance that is “what you’ve been born into” in college applications.
@@avinashreji60 and by this you shouldn't go in due to affirmative action because that is just the victim card and you might just be as bad as someone going in because of legacy.
@@rohanprince96 No.
If you have parents that studied at a prestigious university, that already means you have better resources (be they economic or educational) than a person who does not. You already have an advantage, which means adding the "legacy" thing is an unnecessary extra.
People that get into these universities despite their background, are given something because they had nothing but their own drive and talent. They had a disadvantage, but are given a pass that evens it out slightly.
These two things are not the same.
@@Zeverinsen It's a private institution, it doesn't need to be fair, and it shouldn't be forced to be fair. There's no such thing as fair.
The best solution is to make it known that Ivy Leagues aren't the only places to get a great education, and that, oftentimes, they're worse than a comparable public school due to the lack of diversity (a huge part of a college education is learning how to work together with people from diverse backgrounds, something that's hard to learn when you're at a school chock-full of upper class people).
If you aren't a fan of the fact that a private institution is allowed to give certain students preference, just don't go to a private school. Go to your state school, or a public school with a good program for what you want to study, because, chances are, it will be just as good of an education or better.
5:41 I love how the guy on the far left just progressively moves as far away from the others as possible.
Heh, punny
He is a hypocrite
@@mos5139 how?
@@mos5139 Learn English before trying to speak it.
wat u mean
The dude in glasses gets it. He's invited to the cookout. We'll just have hotdogs, burgers, and casserole. Hope he'd be down for that.
and beer dont forget the 🍺
you're giving out cookout invites for some basic ass shit, just so you know.
@@ibieiniid4240 Exactly. We gotta stop inviting people to the cookout for the bare minimum on race relations and anti-racism. There is so much more to do than just acknowledging that one has privilege.
See, it's because of this simplicity of thought that politics is so radicalized these days. You see someone who will talk in a way that pleases your mindset while they haven't actually invested anything towards that ideal beyond words. Now when a similar individual is more honest about their views you brand them as racist while they are no different than the individual you've supported. Be more discerning, question everything.
What cook out?? Lmao
Wait, their HIGH SCHOOLS WERE LESS DIVERSE THAN YALE!?
Yes. Suburban and Rural Areas of America are very white.
Why does that matter?
@@kevinhuang2165 Actually, as a whole, suburbs are pretty diverse nowadays. They probably just lived in very white weathly areas.
@Michelle Appiah well idk the demographics of Yale but I think the Ivy league school is not a place for homogeneity these are the best schools in the country and arguably the world I think the best minds from all backgrounds in America should be going to Yale Harvard etc
They specifically meant income diversity
guy with the glasses looked at all of his peers when he said "Some degrees may be worth less than others." ROASTED
Which minute did he say that?
He is talking about yale in general not degrees.
I’ve watched enough episodes of Gossip Girl to not be surprised about the scandal at all
Yes 😂 👏
Lol same
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guy with the glasses is speaking the truth! 🙏🏼 you can see the emotion boiling underneath haha, he was close to losing his composure. I'm not sure if the other guy was arguing with him, or just playing the devil's advocate, but regardless- paying someone to take your SAT is amoral, as well as donating to a school so your kid can get in.
Would you still see your doctor if they got into med school by bribery, faking SAT scores, legacy, etc..???
I think what really pissed him off was comparing a donation vs bribery to getting a tutor vs paying someone to take your SAT. Because only getting a tutor adds to one's merit while everything else is admitting "I can't get in so I'll pay to win".
@@DrArthurCGarp i agree. There is nothing wrong in getting a high-paying tutor if your wealth can afford it and you actually use the chance well.
nah now you can get into med school by your race and not by your stats.
A tutor is an investment.
Didn't glasses say there was minimal difference in getting a tutor and paying someone to do your SATs? That's what put me off of him.
"My highschool was a lot more homogeneous than Yale" dude @5:46 threw him a look like "What in the Whitey-white white?"... That about took me out
He looked like that the whole time... he was not participating 👽💀
What's wrong with white people wanting to be around other white people?
jupiter lost tf?
@@evanw2195 tf what dude? answer my question what's wrong with white people wanting to be around other white people?
@@yourname5222 it's just a little racist lol
Tbh most people probably didn't even think this was even illegal as most people already knew this was happening for a long time.
Tiel Master well but they know it’s wrong but then again money can buy everything so like why even surprised
This will continue to happen. Elite Colleges will never stop taking money, that's stupid. Just make sure to make as much money as humanly possible so you can one day make a huge donation and up your kid's chances of getting into an elite school.
Bingo!
What I noticed is that the lower income students would constantly look at each other while speaking, as if they collectively wanted to make sure that what they're saying was true for the others and not overshadow their experiences onto others, where as the richer students would directly face the interviewer and only answer by looking at her and only turn their head to see if someone else was talking. The difference of independent vs. interdependent holds very much true when it comes to wealth.
Glasses dude is what I expect from a yale student, I'm sure the others are very smart individuals but none of them showed nearly as much smart person power as he did
He is actually a great debater....he was 2 time national high school debate champion...while at yale he won the North American universities debating championship and finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World universities debating championship.
Money can buy anything why are people surprised
Edit wow guys thanks for the 1k likes 😄
I think because we all suspected but deep down hoped that it wasn't true and that it really was a meritocracy
Peter Connell unless you are black
Shut up everyone! Money is your God and learn how to budget!
Peter Connell because money can’t buy you equality
maybe we should stop acting like that's okay and do something about it?
The guy with the glasses is hilarious, im surprised he kept a straight face throughout the whole talk. haha
I see him being sincere . He had to battle with a golden spoon in mouth , but he himself is intelligent, on his own merit And are we to blame him for being born of wealth?. He is being forth-right. I appreciate these students expressing their thoughts, opinions. Baby boomer salutes you.
btw that kid is a world champion debater
That guy is one of the rare exceptions where even if he wasn't a legacy he would have probably still gotten into Yale on his academics (you can tell by his attitude and how he kept saying it should be 100 percent about academics). The other kids at his table are not so lucky so while they acknowledge the system is unfair and favors the rich they do not want it changed because they like being at the top.
@@PCAchievements This comment is so odd to me. What do you mean by "rare exceptions"? You realize that wealth generally means higher levels of education, earlier and greater mental stimulation, early access to professional experience and a strong support network, right? All those factors make it such that many wealthy legacies are far superior to other applicants. I can understand your general sentiment about the impact of wealth on admission but it's a massive stretch to assume a qualified legacy is a "rare exception".
Aggressively Amicable I was thinking the same thing. Wealth itself isn’t always what gets you in. It’s usually the opportunities in life it affords you. And though that’s not meritocratic, it’s not illegal nor is it inherently wrong.
us citizens: Upset that people use money to break the rules.
US Congress: use money to get into position to make the rules
Duane Lee there are a decent number of US citizens who think that money=merit, and that’s how it should be.
@@NiceGuy678 if its money that someone earned through hard work and dedication, then sure. If its money that was handed to you as a favor (ie. Campaign contributions or inheritances) then obviously there's no merit, just privilege
Duane Lee I was talking about it in regards to college admissions, and how donations to the school means your kids get in no matter their grades. I don’t think it should work that way no matter how that parent got their money.
The only difference between Yale and a public state school is that Yale has the “reputation” whilst being 10x more expensive. You’ll learn the same thing by the end of a degree in any college.
Yeah and im pretty sure most employers dont care which uni you came from as long as you got the degree
@@beckham3533 not really. Prestige carries weight especially when it comes to stuff like medicine and law. You also get the best professors.
You will not learn the same thing by the end. I'm guessing you didn't fully understand what they said in the video.
Having a degree from Yale will give you better opportunities and better education but it won't make you a needle in the haystack as many people believe.
for people who were shocked by these allegations, this has been happening for CENTURIES, and I think more people should be held accountable and this should've been investigated years ago. People who get in through their parents, and have no motivation for education take that opportunity away from someone more deserving.
I love the rich kid's annoyed look at 4:46
He looks so..... rich.
The Nike shirt kid kinda reminds me of Ben Shapiro
He reminds me of Will Toledo.
@@danaelona4081 Nike Shirt? Or the debate kid?
Plot twist: He's intelligent.
Think about all the black, brown, & low-income students who arrive at college & are made to feel as if they don't deserve to be there, while so many rich white students have their parents buy their admission to college & rarely experience the same skepticism.
John Henderson Because without extra points for not being white or Asian, the admittance rates for them drop way down. Also, Black women are the most heavily educated group in the US.
Yes
@@andrewhuckstable5996 Where are you getting this factual source from? Or is it your own opinion, because black people as a whole make up lower a percentage at universities compared to other minorities like Asians.
Theoneandonly88able Salon, The Root, Upworthy, The Independent, the center for educational statistics.
Whites are still the majority in many areas of the US, so even if white women for example outnumber black women 3 to 1. Black women are still proportionally getting more degrees.
Theoneandonly88able Asians are need more SAT points than whites to get into top tier schools and way more than blacks.
I honestly just assumed it was legal for rich people to pay more to get in.
It is, that’s what they said in the video.
@@sohaminyoh what- it's legal? Bruhh i thought this was all popular bc it was a scandal bc its illegal
Zerxz The donation to the school is legal but when you’re bribing one admissions officer then it’s illegal. Both will probably give you the same results but I would imagine you would have to donate more money than you would bribe.
@@sohaminyoh oh- I wasn't thinking of donations- I was thinking of bribery.
Why wouldn't Elite Colleges just take rich students anyway? Why take broke kids? A college is a business after all, not a charity.
2:26
“I theoretically had 4 other relatives that went to Princeton.”
What a way to try and muddy the waters to make your argument look valid.
How do you “theoretically” have relatives that went to Princeton? They either went or didn’t.
larazanz yeah
4:47
The way he looks at them lol
Haha yeah. That made me lol.
That face is priceless
I noticed that too, he was like: "Are you being serious right now? 🤦" 😂
George W. bush went to Yale. That’s all you need to know about Yale’s merit system.
xele fonte lol
Lmaooo. Ha.
Still, you go to an education for yourself, for your reasons, what YOU want to do with your life. What that school lets in and what it does isn't a reflection of you.
The Clintons went to famous name schools so their diplomas are just as worthless as Bush's.
kansasthunderman1 all diplomas are worthless.
Thw glasses guy definitely deserves to be where he is
@Gabriel Huang well no, because he is a realistic and should i say humane man. He acknowledged that things such as privileges exist and doesn't try to wiggle out of it.
well he actually deserves to be there....he was 2 time national high school debating champion(first and only person to do so)....while at yale he won the North American debating championship and has finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World university debating championship.
vishal vivek not surprising. He speaks with a great amount of eloquence. I’m not surprised he’s a debating champion.
This college admission scandal you keep learning more about how they exposed the system. To be that rich and take advantage of the advantages given to the disabled is quite despicable.
OG Cookie Monster you must be very young to just realize that the rich and famous get what they want by acting or paying there way . Just look around your family. Most of them got there job by knowing or smacking it up to someone for jobs, you lie on a daily basis to sell your products to the masses or by that top shelf for your products the world is built on lies , eat this lose weight eat this get fat . Your children are born in a culture of lies and you haven’t figured it out . Can’t blame this on trump diet water
I think that is a new thing we learned. That people are even willing to game the disabled to get their rich children into college. We always knew about buying buildings to get your kids in (as the parents of poorer children would say "thanks for buying the library my kid studies in") but this scandal is definitely a new low.
CanadaUSTango Then you missed the down fall of the poor and the not willing to play along lost everything after 9/11 , everyone got researched and almost every government , doctor, lawyers, had printed there diploma, or had paid someone to print them , the poor couldn’t defend them selfs and the rich paid news agencies not to publish there names,
Rich parents paying psychologists to "diagnose" their kids with a learning disability to get them extended time on exams is nothing new. It happened pretty regularly at one of the high schools at which I taught. Personally I think timed tests are bullshit in the first place, but being able to work around those limitations just because your family has money is downright shitty.
Most inventors don’t have college degrees, Millions of dollars where made by college dropouts,
It's refreshing to see the higher-income kids be really aware of their privileges, discussing the issue in such a mature way and overall having a good head on their shoulders. Education does make a difference!
That girl saying she thought she was middle class till she got to Yale is me realizing how broke I actually am when starting college lmao. My friends are all pretty affluent so they couldn't understand when I explained that if I miss the bus and have to uber I don't get to eat dinner. They even pointed out that I work four jobs, I should be fine. Boi no, those paychecks belong to my landlord and my loans lol.
'How much is that degree is really worth...maybe less than you think." boom goes the dynamite.
I'll find it funny that he try to justify donations like this not the same as bribery... and of course a legacy guy said that
The obviouse major difference is that the money goes toward the benefits of the school and its community and not to the middle man...
and at least they are upfront about it and didn't fraudulently get in. As a private school it is completely valid for them to sell admissions for money. At least if they do it that way their reputation will tank if too many people pay to get in.
@@MilitanT07 .... you stating the big difference like that supposed to matter.... you pretty much buying your way into college you can call it what you want but that's what it is... making it seem like the school needs the donation that's why is it a donation... donation to cheat the tax codes the same thing as this
@@collinyan7467 .... only reason why they are up front about it because it's legal for some reason... so if I told you I killed somebody that makes it right because I told you upfront
@@strawhat8458 If someone has the money, they get to use the money for their own benefit, that's reality. Keep crying, shit won't change.
The “rich” group all have a vocal fry 🤣 🥴. But the one with glasses is on point ! Bravo man
KelZ X the vocal fry was yuge
What’s vocal fry?
SLP?
It's better than constantly trying to hollah.
the "poor" group all have a vocal fry as well
That legacy guy...his definition of donation sounds more like bribery 🤦♂️
The fact that they had to go to Yale to realize that they were "priviledged" just shows how detached they are from the real-world.
Hey kid with the Nike shirt, try and be more like the guy with the glasses. It'll help you when you get out of "diverse" Yale.
Maliha Intikhab lol PREACH
Lol when he gets out of diverse Yale hes gonna surrond himself with whites/rich people only and continue to live in his bubble.
@@littleraskle Agreed! Yale will always be the most diverse place he ever sees.
The kid with the glasses is the Great Nordic White man. Lorenzo Arvanitis is Hispanic & Albanian. Nike shirt only exists @ Yale because The Great Nordic White Man passed laws that allowed him to be there. No matter how hard he tries... he will fail. 3rd world brains fail.
Either IQ is most important, in which case certain races are more valuable than others. Or raw ability is, in which case whoever can amass resources by whatever means is most valuable.
"Whether it was buying a building or photoshopping your face on a water polo team, you are bribing yourself in"
Home boy with the glasses is guaranteed a spot at the cook out fr fr
The 3 kids tryna convince the kid in the glasses to see their end, and he instantly shuts em down. Bruh love it.
The unfairness of life makes my blood boil sometimes. I've personally come up in privilege but have watched my lower class friends suffer as they desperately try to care for family, themselves, all while trying to make proud everyone whos ever supported them and make it far in life.
@David Winehouse Thanks for that crucial information a year later David
I remember the first time I visited Boston. I paid a visit to the Natural History Museum at Harvard. As I was leaving, walking through the campus, I was looking around at this highly prestigious school, and thought to myself, "Wow! Harvard. Your parents must've beaten you senseless in order for you to have earned your spot at a school like this.
Turns out, for some students, the exact opposite is true.
It's all fancy campuses with papers? And professors
The exact opposite being... the kids beat the parents?
@@Idontcommentonvideos spank is not same as beat
Marcus INfinity cool.
OP said 'beat senseless' though
Don't really see what point you're trying to make
@@Idontcommentonvideos 🙄go to timeout corner and where the dunce hat, Joshie
THE GUY IN GLASSES WAS THE REALEST. Wow. Impressed, and extremely glad out of all of them, someone had their mind in the right place.
He is actually a great debater....he was 2 time national high school debate champion...while at yale he won the North American universities debating championship and finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World universities debating championship.
It’s just more proof that college is not a genuine qualifier.
This is quite a stupid comment. A SINGULAR college may not be a genuine qualifier of who you are - if only you have been rejected because of a similar debacle. However, anyone good enough to actually get into Yale and lose their spot because of this is guaranteed to be a very successful/bright person and are sure to achieve admissions in many other excellent schools.
Keep saying that. I have two Ivy League degrees
Well if you suck at your job. Degree mean nothing.
As the rich one with glasses said "how much is the degree worth now. Maybe less than you think"
_in my eye What if you had a doctor who never went to college or medical school, but apprenticed under a doctor for 10 years then took the exam and passed and got licensed? (This option used to be available)
The interviewer did a great job asking the tough questions. Good job.
Who are the charity organizations that was the middle crooks, and allowing the parents to deduct the donation from taxes.
To assume schools are meritocratic is wishful high schooler thinking. Higher education, particularly private, is a business and they need to keep running.
Ivy League schools didn’t reach their status because only the brightest and best attended, but because the movers and shakers attended. Those movers and shakers are most often wealthy to start with. And alumni donations drive school rankings, with more donation getting a higher ranking.
Nepotism is alive and well in more than just higher education. Even the best jobs are reserved for family and friends. Some low quality wealthy student will donate more than a high quality poor student would, simply because grades don’t matter. But even the one poor girl said it. She didn’t feel the need to donate back to her alma mater.
It’s not the grades you make, but the hands you shake.
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Although I don't go to Yale, I go to another ivy league school in New England and this situation really makes me confused. It seems like a lot of people hate on Black and Latinx students for getting in because of their race. Yet, it took this situation for a lot of people to realize that rich elites have WAY more power in college admissions than low-SES black students from places like Chicago. Why aren't we looking at the richest people in America to make sure that they don't game the system instead of poor people of color?
Agreed
Bc some people are racist. There are the same people who came up with the myth of the welfare queen. If POC are gaming the welfare system of course they want affirmative action to game their way into college system even though legacy students make up a larger part of the population than students of color.
I think the big issue is that black and latinos get tons of free $$$ from these schools to diversify their school while upper class people are stuck with $70k tuitions :/ i would rather have no affirmative action and use that money for people who are already in that college. Most of my friends and I are stuck with huge loans while poor under qualified students get a lot of free money...its just the way life is and theres nothing we can do about it just look at welfare in america :D live with this or cry about it your whole life lol
It's not poor people of color. More often it's rich people of color that benefit at the expense of ALL poor people. Cory Booker, Barack Obama, they weren't poor. They're considered out of touch even for black people. Remember 2008 election? Obama wasn't considered black enough cause he wasn't from a rough neighborhood. He had to earn his way in but he didn't grow up with the same disadvantages as most blacks. That's why affirmative action is flawed, it's helping the rich still, not the poor with less resources.
That might be somewhat true but the majority of black kids I know here at Dartmouth come from low-income/immigrant backgrounds who didn’t have a leg up. If you’re going to get rid of AA, at least do something to help poor kids who don’t even have boots to pull themselves up by.
dude with the glasses is /our guy/
the thing is, when you graduate from college, having an ivy league on your resume opens up a lot of doors. no, it may not get you the job, but having that on your resume will for sure get you an interview.
Omg the interviewer is STUNNING! I'm sorry I had to
This scandal has been such a mindfuck. I hear if I've gotten into Yale (and other Ivy schools) this week and it's made the whole waiting game so existential.
Best of luck with the applications!
Trust me, you'll get in.
What's sad is that you have kids out here killing themselves because of the stress
I wish you luck, but you have to be realistic. Bribery is ridiculous, but donations from a family with intelligent people one of whom may gain entrance helps the school as a whole. That money pays for programs.
Best of luck! If my broke, dumb ass can get in, you've got this! Lmao
Rich guy with the glasses has mad knowledge and wisdom !!
His parents probably had him going to excellent preparatory schools from kindergarten to senior year of a prestigious private High school.
@@beboplady1542 He went to Walt Whitman High school, a PUBLIC school. Also 2 time National Debate champion. Dude earned his spot at Yale.
@@kathleenannmodina-angue4540 Yeah he did. Also, why is everyone calling this kid rich? HE WENT TO A PUBLIC HIGHSCHOOL. His parents are probably upper-middle class.
@@darklight38 lmfao upper middle class is rich and you can still go to a public school and be rich....
"work multiple hours a week" clearly never had a job, lol
They only work single hour weeks!
@Richard Durkee Yeah, but if your income isn't being provided by parent's then not working while being a full-time student isn't an option. This is why many options for advancement in society are off of the table for people who aren't lucky enough to be born into an affluent family. The route for advancement for the lower-middle class and the poor is usually filled with a significant more amount of stress, time, and struggle. There is a huge amount of barriers for the lower class that the upper class is ignorant to. And I don't blame people for ignorance, because it's not their fault. The system is entirely broken and strongly favors classism. For example, a highschool student could have aspirations to attend an ivy league school and has the drive, ability, grades, and extracurriculars that make them qualified. Yet, their parents never even attended college and live paycheck to paycheck, so the kid will have to be entirely self-sufficient. Even if they have their school expenses paid through scholarships and waivers. They need money to pay rent, eat, have clothes to wear, or for any other random circumstances, so working enough to pay for all these is necessary. People underestimate the intense mental and physical battle it is handling all of that as a fresh 18 year old who doesn't even have a grasp on the world yet. It also is disheartening seeing all of these other students who do the same amount of studying, yet the free time they have left can be spent enjoying themselves and and usually going on vacations and out to eat when you work full time, attend school, and still don't even have enough to get a combo and not eat off the dollar menu lol.
Richard Durkee still, there’s plenty of kids that have a full schedule (16-18 hrs a trimester, I’m on a trimester system) and work more than that. I work at least 25 hrs a week with a full academic schedule.
StaciMay not in an Ivy but that’s essentially been my story. My parents are immigrants so I’ve had to work two jobs while in college. It’s insulting to hear my advisor tell me “work less and get involved”
@@foxobsession96212 Listen asshole. Its better that the wealthy reap the rewards than the middle class getting further squeezed to pay for the poor who feel they deserve something.
The rich kid in glasses was the only rich kid that didn't look like a deer in headlights. The rest of the affluent kids had the kind of look on your face when you forget your line in a play and you are waiting for a prompt from offstage. Probably how their job searches are going to go.
I never thought about how affirmative action is basically the poor getting an advantage the way the wealthy get an advantage. If you hate affirmative action, you should hate extreme wealth advantage in the admissions process.
lol how the hell could you NOT see affirmative action as an initiative intended to balance opportunity? women, white women, were the main beneficiaries of the program and yet its crapped on as if its problematic
Soul Glow Yeah so I definitely saw it as an intention to balance opportunity, but I hadn’t known about college admission scandals. I thought Affirmative Action was simply accounting for the fact that wealthier people have better opportunities.
My point was that I realized the wealthy also have access to illegal opportunities like paying off college admissions. I realize I didn’t make that clear. Anyway have a good day
Damn, that closing line.
"affirmative action for the rich" - great line there.
How to get into any college you want
1. Be filthy stinking rich and have your parents donate a building to the school
2. get accepted
The amount of praise the "dude with the glasses" is getting is insane.
Even just someone simply not absolving themselves of their privileges garners so much appraisal and support, especially in America compared to other countries. In my country, he'd be one of many.
Rich guy with glasses *drops mic* at the end
He is actually a great debater....he was 2 time national high school debate champion...while at yale he won the North American universities debating championship and finished runner up in US universities debating championship and World universities debating championship.
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@@vivek27789 do you know his name?
6:58 Genius! I've been saying that for years. Employers need to figure out a better way to vet potential employees and their capabilities, other than looking at a degree.
The people that got caught were too poor to donate a library, that's why they had to bribe them.
The issue with "Ivy" league level universities is largely that, either the student distribution is from wealth, or from poor communities. There is little to no middle class involvement it seems. I got the chance to visit Yale back in 2007, and it was an amazing place, but frankly it was obviously skewed towards a social hierarchy. Going to a public university myself, there are huge differences in resources, class mobility, and job prospects going to a place such as Yale, but a lot of that is due to social constructs built while in school, not so much the degree itself, that just gets you the first $100k paying entry level job in a major city like NY, Boston, or Seattle etc., It gives you a leg up, but only for the first 5 years after graduation. If you take advantage of it though it can change your lifelong trajectory a lot.
WASP in glasses just can’t deal with his peers. He is absolutely disaffected. He’s gonna be successful in business, yet go through three failed marriages.
NOOO! He's going to be just fine.
Ur just jealous of him old man
He's not a wasp. Look at his name. WASP = white anglo-saxon protestant. He is not anglo-saxon he is Nordic/northern European. Anglo-saxon means British. And he very well might be catholic.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 "successful in business, yet go through three failed marriages."
@@chriselias3881 Well there’s his problem. Catholicism is nuts.
I didn't have the money for college so I went to community college.
Mom stole my dead dads military benefits, I didn't see a dime of it.
I got accepted into the Temple University for Electrical Engineering. Couldn't attend because of money.
But that's okay, today I'm the founder of Electron Mechanical Corporation with my community college education.
Either you are smart or not, no college can raise your IQ!
Anyone can be smart through work.
_"no college can raise your IQ!"_ Nope, it just lands you the top jobs in the country and/or the White House.
Going to college also helps if you wanted to get into a research field where you need experience working in a lab that you wouldn't get into otherwise without the experience at your school .... but if it's not something amongst those lines.....pretty pointless imo
So we're not gonna talk about his mom stealing his dad's military benefits and gave no shit about him??
God, I hope you cut contact from her.
Love that kid with the glasses
Can you explain why? You're not the first to say that, and given that he only spoke 3 times I'm interested to hear what resonated with you. He's a rich legacy from Yale - what spoke to you about his message?
DominatingNA what spoke to me is the fact that he knows he’s privileged and he’s not sugarcoating anything. For example when the other kid said they think donating is not morally the same as bribing, he thinks in the end they are all the same and will definitely get your kid in. I admire that he’s not downplaying the fact that he knows for sure his privilege got him and other kids into Yale.
MexicanTacos 07 Peopoe value candor. He was open and honest. Based on the succinctness of his arguments and his apparent maturity, I have a feeling he would’ve gotten accepted regardless of his legacy status. He knows he belongs based on his intellectual acumen. The others...not so much (especially Mr. Grey Nike Shirt, who’s in complete denial of his privilege).
Daniel I think he was a national debate champion in public forum for 2 years?
Daniel agreed
I love the look of the guy at 5:44 when the other guy says his "HS was a lot more homogenous than Yale." He's thinking "Where the hell did u go man?!"
When the young lady said something about “affirmative action of the wealthy” I felt that on a spiritual level.
This sort of thing is extremely common, especially at law schools, even third tier law schools. I have seen wealthy and privileged students register for law school and hardly ever attend school, except to show up for graduation.