@@rossgreenzweig The all metal P238 excels among pocket .380s for two reasons: • it is the heaviest in class, which translates into the lowest free recoil energy, and less recoil translates into better shot precision, and • it has a SAO trigger resulting in the best trigger pull in class, which also translates into better shot precision. Better design, better materials, better gun.
They are both very similar. Both similar bullet weight, similar powder charge, similar recoil. The only downside is the lack of pressure in .38 Special dropping off maybe 150 FPS compared to a 9mm of similar weight bullet in similar barrel length. However, that being said a .38 Special is less wear and tear on a firearm.
Well done. I've always been able to find Golden Sabers on the shelves & typically in most calibers, too. It's a good "go to" round if you can't find whatever more modern round you are looking for.
Those are the two calibers I carry most of the time so as soon as I see your video pop up I look and see what you’re comparing. Good. 38 and 380. Good video. I carry golden sabers. Have for years.
It's hard for me to say if the Golden Saber did better than the PPU in 380. It did penetrate more. None of that denim dump in the bologna pack though. The 38 Spl wasn't bad. Hard to say, but I think the HTP might do a bit better. My revolver has the option for magnum loads, so I can always have one or two in there if the specials don't work. I'll have to see how I pattern with a mixed load like that from a revolver.
But when looking at the .38 Special "group", it looks nothing like anything I have ever printed with that 342PD. Typically at 5 yards I am anywhere between 1" and 4" group all in one area depending on the ammo and my luck of the day. I have never seen 3 significantly different impact points on target with about 8" between the high and low at only 5 yards. It's no wonder that the fateful day about a year and a half ago that my chronograph took a bullet from 8 yards......it was a Golden Saber .38+P.
@@GunSam The Golden Saber certainly has it in for your chronograph. Clearly it's no fan of your 342PD. I forget how well you grouped the HTP 125gr with your 342PD. That would take some looking. Plus you have other defense loads you are happy with. So it is certainly no big deal for you to cross Golden Saber off your list. Of course you have your Taurus too, and that hits to a different point of impact. So whatever load you choose for that has to be different. I may be way off base, but it does look to me like point of impact should take priority with a snub load. Once you know you can hit well with it, then you can look to other factors like terminal performance and price. In cases where terminal performance seems good, go for the cheaper stuff so you can practice with it more. Fortunately you also have your reloading option so you can make cheap ammo of your own that has the same point of impact as your defense load. That's a big plus for the 38/357 that really isn't practical for the 380 ACP. It doesn't work so well with 9x19mm either. Such tiny cases! And of course 9x19mm also has the benefit of being really cheap. It's only a little over half the cost of 380 ACP when you are talking range ammo. The cost of 38/357 comes down to components and how much you enjoy loading it.
@@rossgreenzweig Better design (SAO, thumb safety slide and trigger lock), better materials (all metal, heavier, less recoil), better gun (better shot precision due to lower recoil and superior trigger).
Hmmm... I'm a fan of the GS in the larger calibers but kind of dismissed it (or most JHP) for .380 & down. Admittedly my wife's nightstand pistol has .380 GS in it but I feel a bit better about it now; I'd been thinking about replacing it with a good snubbie of either .38 (+p capable) or .44 Spl. especially since she prefers safety off for storage of a semi and racking a slide is a problem for her (and me of her pistol!) I haven't seen GS in .44 Spl though although there are other good rounds to be had. Next range trip I guess she needs to shoot my undercover, mag pug and bulldog to see what she likes and go from there. (Lol she might prefer my rough rider in .22 Mag but I'd be ok with that too.) Thank you; upped my respect of the .380 a bit even as it made me a bit more concerned about a .38s performance.
Both good rounds. That 380 looked pretty sweet. I find it funny that when you watch different golden saber reviews they're all over the board. I have a box of Remington golden saber ultimate Defense 380 102 grain for full size handguns and out-of my bersa I get expansion only half the time every other shot acts as a full metal jacket so I'm a bit iffy using it for for anything. Federal HST 99 grain is sure hard to beat. Another fantastic and most entertaining video. Thanks
Thanks Fudmottin, and Sam. I guess we've seen better but also much worse. Great tip about the LE ammo in 50 count boxes. Huge savings equals more practice.
Maybe 380 has a little more going for it than i thought. Most tests i have seen, the 102 gr bullet does not expand at all, or only a little and not reliably. The 38+p however, has always seemed like a top load. Good penetration but not too much, and good consistent expansion. I would say it is probably my second choice after the Gold Dot short barrel load. And the Ranger is in there too. Have not tried HST yet.
Not just Remington. Any self defense ammo I've seen lately has been much higher. There seems to be no shortages. Any thoughts on what's going on? Or are they being greedy opportunists?
I think it's marketing strategy. They don't need to with LE ammo sales, but for civilian CCW the world is theirs, lots of gimmicky rounds with lots of ballistics claims that the general public believe. So why not make a buck I suppose. The worst thing though, is when the big companies run their .38 Special ammo with the same powder and powder charge as 9mm to save time and money. Sure it makes an acceptable round at standard pressure pressure, but the performance is terribly like 125 gr at 800 FPS. If they used different powders there's no reason why 1,000 FPS from a snub nose .38 couldn't be had all day long, but to save the money they put no effort into the revolver cartridges. I can't say that I blame them as revolvers aren't too popular, but we can hope for better.
Thanks for another good video Sam. I’ve been carrying the Federal 90 grain Hydra Shock in my LCP mostly b/c it feeds, hits to POA, & it’s available in 50 round boxes that are reasonably priced.
Thank you. I have Hydrashok in .327 Mag in the .327 revolver and in the .45 ACP. It's good ammo for some cartridges but not so much for others. Like any other company they have their good and poor ammo and it's always good to pick and choose and not blindly follow one company.
Its my favorite “bang for your buck round” it’s especially competent in 124gr 9mm +p 398 ft/lbs and 180gr 45acp +p 511ft/lbs. It’s been $15.99 for 50 on target sports USA for 9mm. Lately. I took advantage. That brass jacket gets gnarly looking when propelled fast enough.
Leroy Dabbinzz - agreed👍 If ya get a chance, try the Sellier & Bellot 9mm 124 gr.- I’m wearing down on my 4th or 5th purchase of 1000 round orders. Nice brass, good shooting ammo and very clean! No issues whatsoever w/S&B. I usually pick it up for $159 per thousand. Think “MAGTECH” is same (German made/owned) cartridges. ✌️
I still want to see two revolvers of the same bbl length with the same ammo in each to see if there's a velocity difference from one revolver to the next. I'm a pest ain't I Sam
I would but I don't have two revolvers of identical barrel length. My sister has a 4" model 64 and I have a 4" 686. I did do a test once between my 2" Taurus and 1.875" S&W with the same ammo and the results were inconclusive. Very very close with some ammo being faster in the Taurus, and some faster in the S&W.
There will be a difference, but it won't be reliably consistent. What you'll generally see is gun A shoots faster than gun B with ammo X, but gun B is faster with ammo Y, etc. It's a tale as old as ballistics itself. www.leverguns.com/articles/ballisticians.htm
@@gusporterhouse that's what I always wondered if there would be a significant difference but I Geuss it goes back to the saying that every gun is a rule unto it's self
Its all relevant , the condition of the barrels , how warm temp (how fresh) the drill that was used to bore the barrel , the rifling , how fine the grain of steel used on a particular batch of barrels , how molecularly porous to oil , Ammo and the particular batch of ammo , the particular batch of propellant , the purity of chemicals that were used to create the propellant on a particular day. plus or minus 200-400 psi for chamber pressure is probably more than an acceptable average for off the shelf ammo. Hell even the acceptable Saami standards for something as critical as overall length for a .380 acp cartridge is between 0.910 and 0.984 thats a huge amount of variation and explains why certain ammo won't run thru certain finickey pocket .380's... So many variables and obviously price point the redeeming factor... Technically they could make 100 rounds of any caliber go thru the chronometer at very near identical values thru a specific barrel. But run it thru a different barrel and its a different animal.
There are bonded versions of the Golden Saber, but one is labeled as bonded and there is also a black belt bonded. The regular ones like here are not bonded and in the past I have gotten jacket separation with them. As far as I know there are no revolver calibers in a Golden Saber bonded, just the 9mm, .40 and .45 are also available in bonded and black belt bonded.
I carry the Underwood Extreme Defenders in my LCP...... I just dont see hollow points working right out of these pocket .380, maybe not enough speed to expand???
Velocity, energy, hollow cavity size, lead alloy and design all play into expansion. Usually any bullet constructed like a 9x19 bullet and loaded in a .380 don't work well. The rounds setup to expand at lower power like Gold Dot and Winchester Silvertip seem to be the best for .380 expansion.
Thanks for your hard work. Quick question for you (I did watch your recommended 38 load for short barrel revolvers). I cannot find much of the Hornady Critical Defense +p 110 grain ftx. Do you have a next favorite recommendation? Thanks Sam
Thank you. After I did that video I tested several that were just as good or better. The Federal Hydrashok 129 gr+P, the Remington HTP 125 gr+P, the Buffalo Bore 110 gr TAC-XP standard pressure and the Winchester PDX1 130 gr+P are all great rounds that performed well with lots of power and expansion/penetration.
Hey man love your stuff as always keep up the great work had a question for you i need some recommendations for a freind they cant shoot semi autos because they cant rack the slide so what would be some really good budget friendly $350 under revolvers 357mag or 38 special +p their very recoil sensitive so they would be shooting 38 in the 357 and uf you know some other rounds that are low recoil and good self defense rounds in a revolver id really appreciate thank you so much!
I guess it would depend on the size of revolver they want and the purpose. If it's just a range gun the only thing I can think of that is price friendly and available everywhere is the Taurus 605 and with as light as bullet weight in standard pressure as possible. The Hydrashok 110 gr low recoil would be a good option for that. Also, the EZ shield .380 is a good auto for those who can't rack a slide well and in that price range.
@@GunSam ok thank you very much i that was the only gun i could think of as well i just wanted to make shure i was recommending something good and i trust your opinion especially when it comes to revolvers so thanks. And they would be using it for home defense and as a CCW
Tengo una Bersa thunder combat 380acp y un Colt detective .38spl hice varias pruebas de perforación y claramente el 380acp es más potente que el 38spl!!!...las pruebas echas fue con munición estándar magtech ojival !!!! Lo lamento mucho para los amantes del 38 spl!!!
No disrespect Amigo , Pero estas Underwood 125 grain 1200 fps fmj nickel coated 38+p will out penetrate any of my 380's www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/38-special-p-125-grain-full-metal-jacket?variant=18785726988345
I think underwood makes a 380 +p load with the Golden Saber bullet for 380, that would be interesting to see and a little closer to the 38 +p ....either way I've tested the regular golden saber you tested in 380 and did not get expansion so I will not carry it..thanks for the video Sam!👍👍
Thanks for watching. I have debated for some time whether or not to use a +P in that LCP as the general thought is that's not a good idea in a pistol like that. Maybe one day I will go out and get something that can really show of the .380, possibly the EZ Shield.
@@GunSam yeah I have friends who shoot +p out of their lcp's but you have to be comfortable with that first, better to be safe somtimes... the EZ would be great it's just nobody really seems to carry those , and with the longer than most barrel length I feel it wouldn't really tell us who do carry most 2 in barrels the real potency of the round, I carry the P238 if I have 380, which is a expensive but awesome pistol! I feel like the EZ is in the same bracket as the Bersa Thunder...what's your thoughts Sam? Also just this past weekend tested the Underwood 380 hardcast +p+ and it's a beast of a round!!! WOW!!
A +P. The one thing I have noticed though after 3-4 tests with that .38 Special ammo, is that it groups poorly for me. I looked back and most of my ammo in snub nose revolvers group anywhere from 1" to 4" at 5 yards, but in multiple videos the .38+P Golden Saber is all over the place. I suspect from the way it's loaded with it barely in the case and overall length the same as a .357 Mag.
I personally like the Golden sabers.. it's a proven round dating back to the Hydra Shok.. but what I cant figure out is why Remington would put an "ultimate defense" defense version that's basically the same round in a package containing 5 less rounds but being significantly cheaper?
From what I have seen, the Ultimate Defense bullet is just slightly different than the original Golden Saber. It's almost indistinguishable but there is something slightly different in the hollow cavity. Go one step further and add Golden Saber Bonded to the mix and you have yet another Golden Saber to add to the confusion with not only a different bonding process but yet another slight hollow cavity change.
Not to mention the compact handgun version of the ultimate defense with yet another different hollow cavity, and then the Black Belt Golden Saber with a weird band around it.
👍Good stuff. Have a couple “pocket-pistols” .380’s (SW Body G. & Ruger LCP) & like all cartridges, they have their place. Mine just w/ horrible factory triggers. Maybe one day I’ll pick up a larger frame in .380. Also, maybe you could do a review vid on .38 “Super” 1911.👍 Never had one but will more than likely buy one (1911) soon. .38 is a good round. Easy to shoot but still IMO, too expensive (aren’t they all) (rhetorical) Thx for the video. ✌️🇺🇸
I like the Sig P238 for 380
Love the P238!!!
@@rossgreenzweig The all metal P238 excels among pocket .380s for two reasons:
• it is the heaviest in class, which translates into the lowest free recoil energy, and less recoil translates into better shot precision, and
• it has a SAO trigger resulting in the best trigger pull in class, which also translates into better shot precision.
Better design, better materials, better gun.
I would take .38spl or 9mm
They are both very similar. Both similar bullet weight, similar powder charge, similar recoil. The only downside is the lack of pressure in .38 Special dropping off maybe 150 FPS compared to a 9mm of similar weight bullet in similar barrel length. However, that being said a .38 Special is less wear and tear on a firearm.
Thanks Fudmottin! And Sam! Best regards to you both!
Thank you!
Well done. I've always been able to find Golden Sabers on the shelves & typically in most calibers, too. It's a good "go to" round if you can't find whatever more modern round you are looking for.
Thank you.
Those are the two calibers I carry most of the time so as soon as I see your video pop up I look and see what you’re comparing. Good. 38 and 380. Good video. I carry golden sabers. Have for years.
My only problem is I can't shoot those .38's very well. They just seem to group weird for me.
It's hard for me to say if the Golden Saber did better than the PPU in 380. It did penetrate more. None of that denim dump in the bologna pack though. The 38 Spl wasn't bad. Hard to say, but I think the HTP might do a bit better. My revolver has the option for magnum loads, so I can always have one or two in there if the specials don't work. I'll have to see how I pattern with a mixed load like that from a revolver.
But when looking at the .38 Special "group", it looks nothing like anything I have ever printed with that 342PD. Typically at 5 yards I am anywhere between 1" and 4" group all in one area depending on the ammo and my luck of the day. I have never seen 3 significantly different impact points on target with about 8" between the high and low at only 5 yards. It's no wonder that the fateful day about a year and a half ago that my chronograph took a bullet from 8 yards......it was a Golden Saber .38+P.
@@GunSam The Golden Saber certainly has it in for your chronograph. Clearly it's no fan of your 342PD. I forget how well you grouped the HTP 125gr with your 342PD. That would take some looking. Plus you have other defense loads you are happy with. So it is certainly no big deal for you to cross Golden Saber off your list. Of course you have your Taurus too, and that hits to a different point of impact. So whatever load you choose for that has to be different.
I may be way off base, but it does look to me like point of impact should take priority with a snub load. Once you know you can hit well with it, then you can look to other factors like terminal performance and price. In cases where terminal performance seems good, go for the cheaper stuff so you can practice with it more. Fortunately you also have your reloading option so you can make cheap ammo of your own that has the same point of impact as your defense load. That's a big plus for the 38/357 that really isn't practical for the 380 ACP. It doesn't work so well with 9x19mm either. Such tiny cases! And of course 9x19mm also has the benefit of being really cheap. It's only a little over half the cost of 380 ACP when you are talking range ammo. The cost of 38/357 comes down to components and how much you enjoy loading it.
Well done! Appreciate the test.
Thank you.
I trust my P238 as a back up and at times a deeply concealed primary. Nice comparison.
Thank you.
Love the P238!!!
@@rossgreenzweig Better design (SAO, thumb safety slide and trigger lock), better materials (all metal, heavier, less recoil), better gun (better shot precision due to lower recoil and superior trigger).
Good video. Keep em comin!
Thanks. I have more coming!
Excellent video ! 👍
Thanks for sharing !
Thanks for watching!
You Need to Buy a Sig P238 with Hogue rubber Grips & extended pinky mags {7+1} . Now you have a real 380
Hmmm... I'm a fan of the GS in the larger calibers but kind of dismissed it (or most JHP) for .380 & down. Admittedly my wife's nightstand pistol has .380 GS in it but I feel a bit better about it now; I'd been thinking about replacing it with a good snubbie of either .38 (+p capable) or .44 Spl. especially since she prefers safety off for storage of a semi and racking a slide is a problem for her (and me of her pistol!) I haven't seen GS in .44 Spl though although there are other good rounds to be had. Next range trip I guess she needs to shoot my undercover, mag pug and bulldog to see what she likes and go from there. (Lol she might prefer my rough rider in .22 Mag but I'd be ok with that too.)
Thank you; upped my respect of the .380 a bit even as it made me a bit more concerned about a .38s performance.
Thanks for watching. This .38 has good energy but the accuracy is poor and I have confirmed that with several tests.
Both good rounds. That 380 looked pretty sweet. I find it funny that when you watch different golden saber reviews they're all over the board. I have a box of Remington golden saber ultimate Defense 380 102 grain for full size handguns and out-of my bersa I get expansion only half the time every other shot acts as a full metal jacket so I'm a bit iffy using it for for anything. Federal HST 99 grain is sure hard to beat. Another fantastic and most entertaining video. Thanks
Thank you. The HST is probably the best .380 round in a little heavier pistol than the LCP.
Fudmottin!!!!! Thanks for the video Sam.
Thanks for watching!
I paid $29.99 for a 25 round box of Hornady Critical Defense .38 Special +P at this one place. I paid $21.99 at this other store.
I find them online for less than $20, however it's not worth going online for it unless you're ordering a bunch of other stuff too.
@@GunSam yeah.
Thanks Fudmottin, and Sam. I guess we've seen better but also much worse. Great tip about the LE ammo in 50 count boxes. Huge savings equals more practice.
Thanks!
Maybe 380 has a little more going for it than i thought. Most tests i have seen, the 102 gr bullet does not expand at all, or only a little and not reliably. The 38+p however, has always seemed like a top load. Good penetration but not too much, and good consistent expansion. I would say it is probably my second choice after the Gold Dot short barrel load. And the Ranger is in there too. Have not tried HST yet.
nice one
Thanks
Not just Remington. Any self defense ammo I've seen lately has been much higher. There seems to be no shortages. Any thoughts on what's going on? Or are they being greedy opportunists?
I think it's marketing strategy. They don't need to with LE ammo sales, but for civilian CCW the world is theirs, lots of gimmicky rounds with lots of ballistics claims that the general public believe. So why not make a buck I suppose. The worst thing though, is when the big companies run their .38 Special ammo with the same powder and powder charge as 9mm to save time and money. Sure it makes an acceptable round at standard pressure pressure, but the performance is terribly like 125 gr at 800 FPS. If they used different powders there's no reason why 1,000 FPS from a snub nose .38 couldn't be had all day long, but to save the money they put no effort into the revolver cartridges. I can't say that I blame them as revolvers aren't too popular, but we can hope for better.
Thanks for another good video Sam. I’ve been carrying the Federal 90 grain Hydra Shock in my LCP mostly b/c it feeds, hits to POA, & it’s available in 50 round boxes that are reasonably priced.
Thank you. I have Hydrashok in .327 Mag in the .327 revolver and in the .45 ACP. It's good ammo for some cartridges but not so much for others. Like any other company they have their good and poor ammo and it's always good to pick and choose and not blindly follow one company.
Its my favorite “bang for your buck round” it’s especially competent in 124gr 9mm +p 398 ft/lbs and 180gr 45acp +p 511ft/lbs. It’s been $15.99 for 50 on target sports USA for 9mm. Lately. I took advantage. That brass jacket gets gnarly looking when propelled fast enough.
Leroy Dabbinzz - agreed👍 If ya get a chance, try the Sellier & Bellot 9mm 124 gr.- I’m wearing down on my 4th or 5th purchase of 1000 round orders. Nice brass, good shooting ammo and very clean! No issues whatsoever w/S&B.
I usually pick it up for $159 per thousand. Think “MAGTECH” is same (German made/owned) cartridges. ✌️
Idk if magtech is made by the same company but it’s loaded slower 1115 FPS vs 1280fps in 115gr.
Remington builds a cartridge right
Thank you Sam. You gave me an idea for sourcing Golden Saber. I'm going to look to my online source that I use for LE grade ammo.
Thanks for watching. I use target sports usa a lot.
I still want to see two revolvers of the same bbl length with the same ammo in each to see if there's a velocity difference from one revolver to the next. I'm a pest ain't I Sam
I would but I don't have two revolvers of identical barrel length. My sister has a 4" model 64 and I have a 4" 686. I did do a test once between my 2" Taurus and 1.875" S&W with the same ammo and the results were inconclusive. Very very close with some ammo being faster in the Taurus, and some faster in the S&W.
There will be a difference, but it won't be reliably consistent. What you'll generally see is gun A shoots faster than gun B with ammo X, but gun B is faster with ammo Y, etc. It's a tale as old as ballistics itself. www.leverguns.com/articles/ballisticians.htm
@@gusporterhouse that's what I always wondered if there would be a significant difference but I Geuss it goes back to the saying that every gun is a rule unto it's self
Its all relevant , the condition of the barrels , how warm temp (how fresh) the drill that was used to bore the barrel , the rifling , how fine the grain of steel used on a particular batch of barrels , how molecularly porous to oil , Ammo and the particular batch of ammo , the particular batch of propellant , the purity of chemicals that were used to create the propellant on a particular day. plus or minus 200-400 psi for chamber pressure is probably more than an acceptable average for off the shelf ammo. Hell even the acceptable Saami standards for something as critical as overall length for a .380 acp cartridge is between 0.910 and 0.984 thats a huge amount of variation and explains why certain ammo won't run thru certain finickey pocket .380's... So many variables and obviously price point the redeeming factor... Technically they could make 100 rounds of any caliber go thru the chronometer at very near identical values thru a specific barrel. But run it thru a different barrel and its a different animal.
I think the ones in the white box are supposed to be a bonded version of the regular ones, so they're not exactly the same.
There are bonded versions of the Golden Saber, but one is labeled as bonded and there is also a black belt bonded. The regular ones like here are not bonded and in the past I have gotten jacket separation with them. As far as I know there are no revolver calibers in a Golden Saber bonded, just the 9mm, .40 and .45 are also available in bonded and black belt bonded.
I carry the Underwood Extreme Defenders in my LCP...... I just dont see hollow points working right out of these pocket .380, maybe not enough speed to expand???
Velocity, energy, hollow cavity size, lead alloy and design all play into expansion. Usually any bullet constructed like a 9x19 bullet and loaded in a .380 don't work well. The rounds setup to expand at lower power like Gold Dot and Winchester Silvertip seem to be the best for .380 expansion.
Thanks for your hard work. Quick question for you (I did watch your recommended 38 load for short barrel revolvers). I cannot find much of the Hornady Critical Defense +p 110 grain ftx. Do you have a next favorite recommendation?
Thanks Sam
Thank you. After I did that video I tested several that were just as good or better. The Federal Hydrashok 129 gr+P, the Remington HTP 125 gr+P, the Buffalo Bore 110 gr TAC-XP standard pressure and the Winchester PDX1 130 gr+P are all great rounds that performed well with lots of power and expansion/penetration.
@@GunSam Thanks for this great info!
Hey man love your stuff as always keep up the great work had a question for you i need some recommendations for a freind they cant shoot semi autos because they cant rack the slide so what would be some really good budget friendly $350 under revolvers 357mag or 38 special +p their very recoil sensitive so they would be shooting 38 in the 357 and uf you know some other rounds that are low recoil and good self defense rounds in a revolver id really appreciate thank you so much!
I guess it would depend on the size of revolver they want and the purpose. If it's just a range gun the only thing I can think of that is price friendly and available everywhere is the Taurus 605 and with as light as bullet weight in standard pressure as possible. The Hydrashok 110 gr low recoil would be a good option for that. Also, the EZ shield .380 is a good auto for those who can't rack a slide well and in that price range.
@@GunSam ok thank you very much i that was the only gun i could think of as well i just wanted to make shure i was recommending something good and i trust your opinion especially when it comes to revolvers so thanks. And they would be using it for home defense and as a CCW
Tengo una Bersa thunder combat 380acp y un Colt detective .38spl hice varias pruebas de perforación y claramente el 380acp es más potente que el 38spl!!!...las pruebas echas fue con munición estándar magtech ojival !!!! Lo lamento mucho para los amantes del 38 spl!!!
No disrespect Amigo , Pero estas Underwood 125 grain 1200 fps fmj nickel coated 38+p will out penetrate any of my 380's
www.underwoodammo.com/collections/handgun-ammo/products/38-special-p-125-grain-full-metal-jacket?variant=18785726988345
I think underwood makes a 380 +p load with the Golden Saber bullet for 380, that would be interesting to see and a little closer to the 38 +p ....either way I've tested the regular golden saber you tested in 380 and did not get expansion so I will not carry it..thanks for the video Sam!👍👍
Thanks for watching. I have debated for some time whether or not to use a +P in that LCP as the general thought is that's not a good idea in a pistol like that. Maybe one day I will go out and get something that can really show of the .380, possibly the EZ Shield.
@@GunSam yeah I have friends who shoot +p out of their lcp's but you have to be comfortable with that first, better to be safe somtimes... the EZ would be great it's just nobody really seems to carry those , and with the longer than most barrel length I feel it wouldn't really tell us who do carry most 2 in barrels the real potency of the round, I carry the P238 if I have 380, which is a expensive but awesome pistol! I feel like the EZ is in the same bracket as the Bersa Thunder...what's your thoughts Sam? Also just this past weekend tested the Underwood 380 hardcast +p+ and it's a beast of a round!!! WOW!!
Thought they both performed very well. Was the 38spl. A +p or standard pressure.
A +P. The one thing I have noticed though after 3-4 tests with that .38 Special ammo, is that it groups poorly for me. I looked back and most of my ammo in snub nose revolvers group anywhere from 1" to 4" at 5 yards, but in multiple videos the .38+P Golden Saber is all over the place. I suspect from the way it's loaded with it barely in the case and overall length the same as a .357 Mag.
@@GunSam Thanks
I personally like the Golden sabers.. it's a proven round dating back to the Hydra Shok.. but what I cant figure out is why Remington would put an "ultimate defense" defense version that's basically the same round in a package containing 5 less rounds but being significantly cheaper?
From what I have seen, the Ultimate Defense bullet is just slightly different than the original Golden Saber. It's almost indistinguishable but there is something slightly different in the hollow cavity. Go one step further and add Golden Saber Bonded to the mix and you have yet another Golden Saber to add to the confusion with not only a different bonding process but yet another slight hollow cavity change.
Not to mention the compact handgun version of the ultimate defense with yet another different hollow cavity, and then the Black Belt Golden Saber with a weird band around it.
Good video sweetheart. Both guns preform well w the amo. But u know which gun i prefer
I'll stick to using what LEO's use
What law enforcement uses 380 or 38?
👍Good stuff. Have a couple “pocket-pistols” .380’s (SW Body G. & Ruger LCP) & like all cartridges, they have their place. Mine just w/ horrible factory triggers. Maybe one day I’ll pick up a larger frame in .380.
Also, maybe you could do a review vid on .38 “Super” 1911.👍
Never had one but will more than likely buy one (1911) soon.
.38 is a good round. Easy to shoot but still IMO, too expensive (aren’t they all) (rhetorical)
Thx for the video. ✌️🇺🇸
I have decided to get a G42 when I can. Seems like a good compromise with a decent size and 3.25" barrel.
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Hi, why? lol
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