@@arnoldhau1 Well the thing is I never really heard of any Viennese people. Since most of my German speaking knowledge comes from Germany, and not Austria. So I wasn't even able to give it a ponder.
family name changed and language is without an accent although Czech might be a bit rusty or never really developed since childhood --- so you never know unless they tell you
Recently, I've heard a saying in German(/Austrian): "If you don't have a Bohemian grandma, you aren't a Viennese." / "Wennst ka böhmische Oma hast, bist ka Wiener." I don't know however, how old or where the roots of it is, since I only heard it recently in a course where different Viennese came together just for that single course, so I can't vouch for the authenticity of the saying. I haven't found it on the internet. It is however a saying that sounds like it can be true with our connection to Bohemia, so I personally think it is plausible it existed for a longer time.
If it were not for hussite wars and following years of civil war in czech lands, austrian empire would never came to be. Bohemian kingdom had more of everything - people, production, resources and agriculture. It started as a mere personal union of smaller and weaker austria with devastated but still larger bohemian kingdom. Habsburgs however went back on their word of preserving the hussite religion in Bohemia, which led to 30 year war, where most of the czech nobility was purged or chased away. That meant there were no leaders among the nation, and new nobles came from germany, buying the old fiefs. Suddenly your boss speaks german, and if you wanna prosper, you better learn too. Since capital was in Vienna, it meant a high amount of rich customers flocking there, most nobles had a house for winter societal season.
This saying is at least 80, 90 years old, surely older.The correct wording is as follows: 'A real viennese has a grandmother from bohemia and one from hungary.'
@@tomlxyz No, a "German-speaking Czech" is a Czech who speaks German, but a "German speaking Czech" is a German who is speaking Czech. It all comes down the the single hyphen, which admittedly was missing in breissnbierisnix9952's original (and funny) comment. English construction can be a total nightmare ... even for native speakers.
My germanized Czech surname (Polatscheck) was carried through much of the history your video recounts. My ancestors moved from the German-speaking Moravian town of Bergen (present day Perná) in the early 19th century and settled in Vienna, where for 6 successive generations they married locals with family names such as Friedrich, Kauber, Wagner. My family still has many relatives today living in Wiener Neustadt. My grandfather fought in WW I as an Austrian infantry soldier (later Lieutenant), on the Italian front. After the war, he came to Brazil where he met and married my German grandmother (also a post-war migrant). Thank you so much for providing this broader historical picture wherein we can so neatly fit our own family saga.
my grandmother always talked about how she used to speak czech at the local shops back in the day, and for myself, i literally played volleyball in the "Sokol Club" for 6 Years, always going to Training camps in Zinkovy Czechia. this was really interesting for someone was born in vienna. Danke fürs leiwande video
My family also came from Bohemia (Pilgram/Pelšrimov (?)) And live now for generations in Vienna. I see myself 100% Austrian. But I still have a small sense of being a bit czech ;)
I remember reading about how before the greater Prague act, Prague had only the 3rd largest Czech community in the world. In 1st place was Vienna and on the 2nd place was Chicago. Also as a Czech from around Pardubice, most of my great grandparets lived in Vienna before moving back to the Czech lands after the collapse of Austria-Hungary.
Guten Tag aus Mittelengland nach Mitteldeutschland! Man verbindet nicht im Allgemeinen Wien mit schwerer Industrie. Deswegen war diese Video für mich schön etwas Neues. Darüber hinaus war es für mich ganz neue Auskunft, die Geschichte der Tschechen in den deutschsprachigen Teilen des Österreichisch-Ungarischen Kaiserreichs zu entdecken, weil im Gegenteil diejenige der Deutschen in den tschechischsprachigen Teilen des Kaiserreichs sehr gut bekannt ist. Danke sehr für's Hochladen, Bulu!
My family left the Czech lands and settled in Texas in the late-mid to late 1800s. One of my father's uncles was born in the Czech lands, and four of my aunts were fluent in Czech. In my 50s, I immigrated back to my ancestral homelands, and I am steadily learning the language. I will never go back to the US. My life is far better here.
Thanks for the interesting video! As a historically interested resident of Favoriten, Vienna every day I see the many legacies the Czech people left behind. Many of the remaining have integrated and most of them are unaware of their ancestors heritage - I've had countless colleagues with surnames originally hailing from Bohemia and Moravia without really knowing more than it's not a "typically German name" and "of Czech origin". On the other hand, the local Sokol gym club has many events and then sometimes I can even hear people talking in what I've always assumed is Czech, when passing the building.
At least Austria allowed language of minorities were to coincide with German. That couldn't be said for some other Kingdoms in Europe. It is surprising that habitation was so destitute. I really appreciate how Sir Manatee tells the story. Watched it 3 times. The Rectangular Cow led me to find other humorous details.
Yeah, contrary to the myth of the "People's prison" that largely stemmed from the Cold War Period, the Austrian policy towards minorities was for the most part rather liberal. And thanks for the kind words :)
@@SirManateee Your presentation is enjoyable for me to watch. If you had an hour show it seems it would leave me riveted. The what is presented would never been brought to my attention and its better than discovering on my own. I really appreciate that. Thank You
@@SirManateee I strongly think you have just by accident ascribed the term "People's prison" to the Cold war period. It got nothing to do with the Cold war! If I am not mistaken the origin is in Italy during or maybe even pre-WW1.
@@SirManateee Ein Nachteil des 1867 Ausgleiches ist es, dass Ungarn damit etwas ein Gefängnis Völker wurde, wo ungarische Adlige der Herr waren. Anders als Österreich , keine Toleranz Politik befand sich in Ungarn und Ungarisch war die einzige "herrschende" Sprache in Ungarn. Man kann sogar es sagen, dass die größte Freiheit, die der Ausgleich der ungarischen Herrschaft überließ, die Freiheit, ohne Einschränkung in Ungarn andere Minderheiten zu verfolgen, ist.
Great video.Though it's no surprise given the history between Austria and Czechia, I was not aware of the heavy Czech immigration to and presence in Vienna! I love this channel for its exploration of broadly (though not exclusively) Central European history in English. It definitely fills an English language void on RUclips. Vielen Dank, Sir Manatee!
I count my year of living in Vienna as one of the happiest in my life. This was in a very different time and circumstances (1989, fall of the Berlin Wall and communism in Czechoslovakia), but this video is hugely relevant to me as a Czech finding a refuge first in Austria and later in Canada. A fascinating history, thank you!
What a delightfully niche and informative channel! And one of my favorites. Always something I never would have known about otherwise. Super interesting stuff. Idk if you’ll ever get big, but it’s good quality content to be sure
Great and interesting video. I live in the Czech Republic, and I had a couple of my students tell me that their parents were born in Vienna in the thirties and forties. Also, I do know people in Austria with Czech surnames.
If you lived in Moravia, then Vienna was closer for you than Prague. And since this was basically the same country, it made sense to just go south. When visiting Vienna, I really enjoyed reading the Czech sounding names everywhere: Horatschek, Kopetschek, Nowak...
Another intresting case is Berlin, to rebuild after the thirty years war it invited Hugenots from france and at the time it was 1/5 of Berlins population. They had their own church and justice system. They also developed many industries in the cities.
@@ryanjuguilon213indeed although the thirty years war ended in 1648 and France despite its own repression against the hugenots would side with the Lutheran protestants against the Austrians an interesting process of alienation like we see in Ukraine today with the switch from Russian to Ukrainian language. Although I expect after 120 years the edict of Nantes being revoked in 1685 the hugenot a Calvinist polity community had become more bilingual anyway and French was becoming more of community language but dealing with wider population would have been in German and would have seen themselves as more as Germans of french ancestry rather than French expatriates and emigres in Germany Interestingly revolutionary France afforded a right of return to the decendants of those banished from the territories of the French crown this was the first right of return legislation globally It's worth noting that in WW1 the Yiddish speaking Jewish community in London began to speak English and saw themselves as British citizens of Jewish ancestry rather than German or Polish Jews in England. At the same time the German speaking community in the USA began to speak English at home instead rather than just for dealings with outsiders
Great video, I am Czech of Austrian/Polish roots. I have Austrian roots from Niederösterreich and Polish roots from Krakow, which was Austrian back in time. My father has Polish surname, my mother a German one. I think we have still a similar mentality, love for nature, wandering etc. Its pitty we are not in the same state anymore. Gruß nach Wien von Brünn, Südmähren!
I watched a three part documentary on the Austro-Hungarian Empire last year and recently watched the multipart drama on Kafka, who was Bohemian. So this video makes much more sense now
This is amazing video ...Yes , Iam from South Moravia and yes ,I have a family in Vienna ,from my father side .They used to live in Favoriten ,not sure where their kids moved out. Vienese phone book is more Czech than Prague one .....🙂
another great video from you. you're just picking so many interesting topics that really peak my interest, not to mention the quality. you're the best out there and i wish more people knew about you
I’m a Czech-American and it’s cool to hear about this. My family was from Moravia and my area I grew up in had a lot of Czechs and even had towns with names like Prague, Bruno (anglicized from Brno), Tabor and Elba (After the Vltava River.) Never knew Vienna had this many Czechs but it makes sense. My 23 and me has a lot more German than I expected (my moms family is of German descent from Schleswig-Holstein) but I’m sure my dad had some German blood. There was even some from ancestry from Poland and the Balkans. It was all one empire though so I’m sure there was some mixing. Also, it’s interesting how you mention agricultural problems and people being recruited. The American railroads had been given land and sold it to many immigrants including Czechs. I’ve even seen recruiting posters put out by railroads like Union Pacific in the Czech Language advertising lands in the Midwest.
Interestingly Prague had a similiar situation as until 1850 it had a german speaking majority. But at that time people were a lot more interchangeable as some people with german names were part of the czech party and some people with czech names declared themselves as austrians.
Prague definitely did not have "German speaking majority until 1850". You probably confuse it with the official language of city's administration which was Czech+German until circa 1850 (and Czech only afterwards)
@@letecmig It did have a german speaking majority until 1850. The adminstration was also until the 1870 only in german und in earlier times in latin. Only in the 1870s it became a joint czech-german adminstration by law. There was no only czech speaking adminstration, all people had to know german and czech since 1870 or they got fired.
@@Echoak95 What you write is simply not true. But If you have sources of your information, it would be great if you could show them:) Fact is that ethnic(language) composition of Prague citizens was first captured in census on 1880. Out of 330k of citizens of Prague, 81% were Czechs, 12% Germans, 6% self-declared Jews (many Jews at that time declared themselves based on their language as Germans or Czech so not included there) Before that, no official census capturing ethnic affiliation exists. But your idea that in 1850 Germans were 51% and dropped to 12% in a span of 30 years is just a nonsense. You may be confusing term "majority german speaking" with "able to speak german as first or second language to some extent", than that might be true in 1851 in Prague as many Czech citizens of Prague were able to speak German to some extent as well. But based on this metrics you could call Prague now "majority english speaking" .:)
@@letecmig From Wikipedia (History of Prague): For most of its history Prague had been an ethnically mixed city with important Czech, German, and Jewish populations. Prague had German-speaking near-majority in 1848, but by 1880 the German population decreased to 13.52 percent, and by 1910 to 5.97 percent, due to a massive increase of the city's overall population caused by the influx of Czechs from the rest of Bohemia and Moravia and also due to the assimilation of some Germans.
Amazing video! PD: The German accent made it better while talking about the Viennese. PD2: The guy that want to stop immigration just from another region of the same country must have been hilarious. PD3: 1/5 of their earnings went to rent. Nowadays, it can be 1/3 or more. Sad times.
@@leoprg5330 No. A working class family could still afford a house up until the 90's (in my country at least). We were made to believe that having a computer, a cellphone, one vacation is better but: HOUSE > ANYTHING ELSE
Great video! Can you make a video about Czech politicians in the Austrian Parliament please or about the Czech soldiers in the Austrian army. Would be great!!
"How Vienna became the largest Czech city" *Přemysl Otakar II. himself, the king of iron and gold, has awoken from his grave to conquer Vienna once again*
What a fantastic and fascinating video, I really enjoy your channel and as a Prague-born with a German surname who loves Vienna, this video was a personal favourite. I’m not sure if you accept recommendations but I think a related video on the Germans in Prague would be equally interesting. For anyone interested, the American historian of Central Europe, Chad Bryant has a fascinating book called “Prague: Belonging in the Modern City” where each chapter describes the city throughout its history through the eyes of one (actual historical but not super well known) person from a minority (ethnic, political etc.). The chapter on the Germans in Prague is super interesting. Bryant also wrote a few academic papers on the issue of Germans and Czechs, and discusses their cohabitation and national struggles brilliantly in his book Prague in Black (which focuses on the Nazi period but it’s a much wider discussion with fascinating and well-balanced insights; in general, I find that well-meaning and interested American historians often tell the least biased histories of our region). But there are of course many other sources.
Im a so called „Russian German“ basically a ethnic German who comes from Russian lands, but my surname is a germanized Czech name Krupke (Krupka). My grandpa lived with his family in Ukraine and he also speaks a rather south German dialect so I really wonder if there is a Czech background in my blood which would be amazing for me as I always lovef Czechia and Prague.
Recently I’ve learned about same thing but with Ukrainians in Europe prior to USSR. Like there were Ukrainian kindergartens, schools and two Ukrainian universities in Czech Republic. We had publishing houses with books in Ukrainian language almost in every country that are now in the EU (we were banned to speak & write in Ukrainian at home due to Valuev Circular). I spoke to one old old Czech gentleman (we walk our dogs in the same park), he was a professor at Charles University, and he told me all of this. And we were belittled by ruzzians for the last century with "your language is our language", "you don’t have a culture, it’s our culture", "you are nothing without us". And it rooted so hard in us. And he opened my eyes by saying we weren’t a working class in Europe, like we are right now, but due to oppression last centuries, ukr intellectuals moved to the west. This man told me in Czech Republic it used to be many Ukrainian architects, teachers, poets, doctors. Before the iron curtain and the third reich.
Didn't the National Revival Cz's like Jungmann also look to Polish & Ukr languages for names for Months or other words to exchange for German imports ?
Odersberg (Bohumín) is not Moravian city but is it city in Těšín country that was part of so called Habsburk Salesia . Smal portion of of Sallesia thta remain uder Habsburk contorl and now its part of Czech republic .
@FilipMoncrief Czechs are surely less of the new population, but only Balkans isn't true. There is a huge contingent from Poland, Slovaks, who got tired of going back and forth, now at the moment, something like 80.000 Ukrainians, although their number is going down. The biggest single group of immigrants, believe it or not, of 2022 are Germans.
@@marcusott2973 tbh I don’t find it too hard to believe, suprising sure tho. Vienna is a good city, especially when you’re coming from places like Saxony
on a similar note. Currently a city with highest Polish population in the world... is Chicago, with about 200k more polish people/people of Polish descent, than Warsaw, and the difference in population used to be even higher.
Hello !! I am Austrian-Argentine, and my parents always told me that we originally are Czech while all their papers were Austrian and German. So I do not have any Czech documentation, and my grandparents were registered in Argentina as "Argentine" on arrival. The nationality was given instantly. Who knows, I prefer to be Argentine anyway.
It's quite funny that people from Brno (CZ) had the same view of where they belong and considered themselves only Brno people, because most of them spoke German and didn't fit into Moravia. When there was a vote in 2018 regarding the new name of the main station in Brno, Vienna-North was in 4th place. In the past, the whole of Moravia was a largely independent territory and was closer to Austria than to Bohemia. This can be seen even today. Although even families and other bonds were broken up after World War II and the Iron Curtain. At the same time, even today, many Moravians go to work in Vienna. And it is not reasonable to swear in Czech there, because they understand. In addition, the journey from Brno to Vienna takes less time than to Prague.
im living in vienna/favoriten and recently a czech friend settled in vienna for work. he was surprised how many people from other countries than austria live in vienna ^^ for me its totally normal that u can hear slavic languages or turkish on the street and in public transport all the time
Bohemia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, so it is no wonder, that so many Bohemian people lived in Vienna. Silesia, however, was part of the kingdom of Prussia since 1757, following the Austro-Prussian so-called 7-year war. There was hardly any immigration of Silesean people into Austria in the 19th century.
It’s quite sad that Vienna and Prague didn’t grow much closer since they are both in the EU: I think there’s so much more potential and I would love an increased cultural mixing between them. Also with Ljubljana - I always feel that these three cities (and countries) are culturally the closest you can get, yet pleasantly unique. The shared history is fascinating and offers a lot of potential, yet often it feels it’s completely dormant, perhaps buried. But also Budapest, Bratislava, Trieste, Zagreb, Krakow, Lviv, Timisoara, Cluj… It all feels like one civilisation and the EU offers so much opportunity for a deeper integration and revival of the historical connection between these places, at least in culture. But I’m not sure there’s much apetite for it apart from a few of us… But I’m certain the viewers of this channel are among them :)
Great video and cheers from Czechia! Be careful with those czech town names though. Mixing german and czech names for czech towns is after protectorate Bohemia and Moravia kinda sensitive for us Czechs... Very interested in the anticzech sentiment of the viennese municipality - only heard about the antijewish one. Great job and good day to you sire!
Thanks for your feedback! I can sort of understand that sentiment, but those German names have been in frequent use since the medieval era and it makes sense to use them when talking about this particular time period. The anti-jewish sentiment was prevelent at the same time and I plan to make a video on that as well :)
@@SirManateee certainly! We also have czech names for german and austrian towns and cities - Graz=Štýrský Hradec (steier burg), Salzburg=Solnohrad (literally the same but in czech), Königsberg = Královec (Kings own) and so on. But today we see these names as sort of historisms and generally noone uses them. I look forward to your next video!
@@jannovak4663 I don't see the issue with the use of Solnohrad etc when talking Czech. While I personally prefer using the local name, if they aren't incredibly hard to pronounce for a German speaker, there are tons of city names which are different one way or the other from the local language. Oddly enough, only when it comes to Old Austrian locations, there has been a push to change the German names to the local ones. That has lead to the use of names which are incredibly difficult to pronounce to a German speaker, which are consequently commonly butchered and thereby turned into a German version yet again. I think there are two factors at play here. Due to the long years of the iron curtain people have lost connection to the old places and they didn't mean anything to them anymore and so when the iron curtain fell, people could get used to the newly discovered other side with the local names just as well. PS: When we are talking about Brünn, this wasn't some foreign name used when foreigners were talking about a foreign place. This name was used back in the days by the majority of the local population (within the historical municipal borders, in the historical suburbs it was the other way round, making the place all in all very much bilingual). If one likes it or not and those people weren't invaders either, they had by far and large a long history in that place. During the Nazi rule there were crimes, persecution and ethnic cleansing directed against the Czech speaking population. I disagree with the opinion of some Czechs however that this justified the murderous ethnic cleansing in the opposite direction that followed after WWII.
@@sagichnicht6748 Yeah could be that. The whole national situation in Bohemia, Moravia and especially Silesia was incredibly difficult in that time and also as u mentioned utterly differently viewed by the people at that time. I was talking more bout todays situation. These pseudogerman-czech divisions which are used sometimes by czech populists politics are today nonexistent.. THX And good day to ya
14:10 Couldn’t the fact that most Czechs in Vienna claimed that they were German speakers be explained by them actually being Bohemain or Moravian Germans?
Not quite, because immigration was highest in overwhelmingly Czech-speaking lands. By comparison, the German speaking areas were largely unaffected by this phenomenon
Austrian censuses traditionally didn't ask for what language ones parents spoke, but for the "Umgangssprache", translating to English as everyday language, or the language you use primarily. So they didn't claim that they are German, they claimed that they primarily speak German. Not like nationalist sentiment was a big thing in the lands of the imperial council outside of the higher classes before WW1.
... Palatschinken aren't pancakes. They are much thinner and closer to crêpes. Tss, only a german could make such a mistake ... Anyway, thanks for the video!
@@SirManateee Austrians don't know what pancakes are: if it is thin, than it is a Palatschinken, if it is thick than it is a Schmarrn, something inbetween doesn't exist.
The claim that Czechs made up about 25% of Vienna's ethnic population (even if only at one point) is hyperbole. Vienna was (jokingly) referred to as the second largest Czech city. Other than that, though, thanks for the pretty nicely done video (although with some inaccuracies). By the way I came from Czech Republic and now I am studying this theme:)
10:28 .. it's "differed", not "differentiated". Two different words and different applications. 1: A and B differ from each other. 2: You need to differentiate between A and B.
I think you make a mistake of basically talking about issues/patterns general to all immigrants to Vienna(austrian and non-austrian) between 1850-1900....., and make it something specific to Czech immigrants. Vienna's total population grew from 500k to 2mil between 1850-1900. Fourfold increase mainly due to migration from rural areas (austrian and non-austrian). Vast majority of immigrants were naturally from rural Austrian and other german speaking territories. And patterns of housing, professions, tough living conditions were similar for all those industrialization era rural immigrants to Vienna(or any other industrializing city of that era) . Czechs immigrating were logically quite visible part of this immigration wave that quadrupled the Vienna's population between 1850-1900 due to the language plus higher numbers than other non-german speaking immigrants(given by territorial proximty to Vienna) But I do not think social issues or employment patterns you have described were different from the vast majority of Austrian rural immigrants to Vienna at the same time.
Much less so, as Austria and Hungary were somewhat autonomous within the common monarchy. There were however some Hungarians moving to Vienna too and there are also some Hungarian names to be found among "real Viennese" nowadays.
6:42 I doubt "Workers' flats" is the correct term for what we can see in this old photograph. It shows some housing traditional for Vienna. Probably there were people living there together all under one roof who had a workshop, like a carriage producer, a smith, a taylor,... just small trade and craftsmen. You can also see the stuff they needed for their work lying around in the yard. Sure these were not flats built by the huge companies to house their workers, bricklayers etc. In the background you can see how the houses built in the 19th century, the Gründerzeit, have already washed away all the older and smaller houses and surely they were also to come to wash away the (18th? century) houses visible in the foreground like a huge and unstoppable tsunami. This picture shows the more or less free and not overregulated craftmen's housing, lifestyle of the pre- or maybe protoindustrial age vs. the rectangular shaped yet beautifully decorated housing for people of the industrial age. Today we see the houses of the background as beautiful. But it is a huge contrast to the original feeling and ambient of Vienna as can be seen in the foreground. We must never forget where we come from! The immense contrast - one could really say between to worlds - a clash of ideas, lifestyles and household structures is what is fascinating in this image. You see the world living without clock being washed away by the world clocked by the unbearable and never ending knocking of a pendulum onto the souls of our human race.
Finaly I understand why we call Vienna “Vídeň” - it was the district of Wien where most Czechs moved to - Wieden. Now i can rest in peace :D
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Viedeň ❤
Poles and ukrainians call it the same way too (czech influence?)
Or the other way around
I have never realised that so many of our people lived in Vienna. Thank you, this was really interesting to learn about.
Well have you never wondered why so many Viennese carry Czech names?
@@arnoldhau1 Zilk, Bernaschek, Hawelka, Hrdlicka, Prohaska, Svoboda, Sobotka, Priklopil, Kreisky, Vranitzky, Busek, Bures, Czernohorsky, Proksch, Podgorski, Misik, Blecha, Rudas, Cap, Kalina, Schindelar, Skoda, Wessely, Lacina, Klima, Dohnal, Kolarik, Löschnak, Lichal, Hawlicek, Tichy, Michalek, Hesoun, Jelinek, Novak, ...
@@arnoldhau1 Well the thing is I never really heard of any Viennese people. Since most of my German speaking knowledge comes from Germany, and not Austria. So I wasn't even able to give it a ponder.
Vienna had a large Czech minority while Prague had a large German minority. Funny how that works.
family name changed and language is without an accent although Czech might be a bit rusty or never really developed since childhood --- so you never know unless they tell you
Recently, I've heard a saying in German(/Austrian): "If you don't have a Bohemian grandma, you aren't a Viennese." / "Wennst ka böhmische Oma hast, bist ka Wiener." I don't know however, how old or where the roots of it is, since I only heard it recently in a course where different Viennese came together just for that single course, so I can't vouch for the authenticity of the saying. I haven't found it on the internet.
It is however a saying that sounds like it can be true with our connection to Bohemia, so I personally think it is plausible it existed for a longer time.
Huh, that's an interesting saying and it's got some truth in it probably ;)
Echte Berliner sind auch oft insgeheim Schlesier. Weiß aber nicht ob wir ein Sprichwort haben haha
If it were not for hussite wars and following years of civil war in czech lands, austrian empire would never came to be. Bohemian kingdom had more of everything - people, production, resources and agriculture. It started as a mere personal union of smaller and weaker austria with devastated but still larger bohemian kingdom. Habsburgs however went back on their word of preserving the hussite religion in Bohemia, which led to 30 year war, where most of the czech nobility was purged or chased away.
That meant there were no leaders among the nation, and new nobles came from germany, buying the old fiefs. Suddenly your boss speaks german, and if you wanna prosper, you better learn too. Since capital was in Vienna, it meant a high amount of rich customers flocking there, most nobles had a house for winter societal season.
This saying is at least 80, 90 years old, surely older.The correct wording is as follows: 'A real viennese has a grandmother from bohemia and one from hungary.'
I think it’s true. Old school Viennese people usually have ancestry from Czech Republic. I have ancestors from Napajedl and Karlsbad.
Wasnt there a saying like „In Vienna are living german speaking czechs and in Prague are living germans speaking czech“
The same both times?
@@tomlxyz No, a "German-speaking Czech" is a Czech who speaks German, but a "German speaking Czech" is a German who is speaking Czech.
It all comes down the the single hyphen, which admittedly was missing in breissnbierisnix9952's original (and funny) comment.
English construction can be a total nightmare ... even for native speakers.
My germanized Czech surname (Polatscheck) was carried through much of the history your video recounts. My ancestors moved from the German-speaking Moravian town of Bergen (present day Perná) in the early 19th century and settled in Vienna, where for 6 successive generations they married locals with family names such as Friedrich, Kauber, Wagner. My family still has many relatives today living in Wiener Neustadt. My grandfather fought in WW I as an Austrian infantry soldier (later Lieutenant), on the Italian front. After the war, he came to Brazil where he met and married my German grandmother (also a post-war migrant). Thank you so much for providing this broader historical picture wherein we can so neatly fit our own family saga.
Poláček
that's rather funny considering thats a germanized czech surname which means little Pole :D
Jirsa and Jirgl were the last names of my Czech ancestors who immigrated to the U.S.
@@louisrobertson9215 that's sad..that it ended
@@marcelpraha6421 I agree
my grandmother always talked about how she used to speak czech at the local shops back in the day, and for myself,
i literally played volleyball in the "Sokol Club" for 6 Years, always going to Training camps in Zinkovy Czechia.
this was really interesting for someone was born in vienna. Danke fürs leiwande video
to claim czech citizenship, you need to pass test in czech. Once your country starts falling apart, do not hesitate to do so.
@@Pyrochemik007wtf
@@Pyrochemik007 Mam dojem že by ses měl hodit do chillu. Trochu méně té arogance u no :)
My family also came from Bohemia (Pilgram/Pelšrimov (?)) And live now for generations in Vienna. I see myself 100% Austrian. But I still have a small sense of being a bit czech ;)
Wow. I live 20 km next to Pelhřimov.
I remember reading about how before the greater Prague act, Prague had only the 3rd largest Czech community in the world. In 1st place was Vienna and on the 2nd place was Chicago. Also as a Czech from around Pardubice, most of my great grandparets lived in Vienna before moving back to the Czech lands after the collapse of Austria-Hungary.
The US also has more people of Swedish origin than all of Sweden itself has today, at least some 15 million people.
@@francisdec1615they aren't Swedish, just like the "Italians" in the US aren't Italian.
@@ForlfirFrancis said 'of Swedish origin'. He didn't say they are Swedish
Guten Tag aus Mittelengland nach Mitteldeutschland! Man verbindet nicht im Allgemeinen Wien mit schwerer Industrie. Deswegen war diese Video für mich schön etwas Neues. Darüber hinaus war es für mich ganz neue Auskunft, die Geschichte der Tschechen in den deutschsprachigen Teilen des Österreichisch-Ungarischen Kaiserreichs zu entdecken, weil im Gegenteil diejenige der Deutschen in den tschechischsprachigen Teilen des Kaiserreichs sehr gut bekannt ist. Danke sehr für's Hochladen, Bulu!
Thank you for the video!
I myself am a Viennese person with a Czech last name so this video was a great joy to watch! 👍
Vesely.
My family left the Czech lands and settled in Texas in the late-mid to late 1800s. One of my father's uncles was born in the Czech lands, and four of my aunts were fluent in Czech. In my 50s, I immigrated back to my ancestral homelands, and I am steadily learning the language. I will never go back to the US. My life is far better here.
Really? Great to hear.
Yeah I reckon you won’t be the only one…life in US can be tough, and more and more people seek to get back to Europe, and I can’t blame them.
For a split second, I was horrified you immigrated here in the (19)50’s 😅
Thanks for the interesting video! As a historically interested resident of Favoriten, Vienna every day I see the many legacies the Czech people left behind. Many of the remaining have integrated and most of them are unaware of their ancestors heritage - I've had countless colleagues with surnames originally hailing from Bohemia and Moravia without really knowing more than it's not a "typically German name" and "of Czech origin".
On the other hand, the local Sokol gym club has many events and then sometimes I can even hear people talking in what I've always assumed is Czech, when passing the building.
I used to know the people operating Sokol and indeed it was mainly Slovak and Czech people that went there.
You don't say "I'm historically interested" in English.
There was a time when Austrian politicans hat names like Vranitzky or Busek, while those of the Czech ones were Schwarzenberg or Dienstbier.
@@vc68675 As an English teacher, that's a perfectly correct sentence grammatically speaking.
At least Austria allowed language of minorities were to coincide with German. That couldn't be said for some other Kingdoms in Europe. It is surprising that habitation was so destitute. I really appreciate how Sir Manatee tells the story. Watched it 3 times. The Rectangular Cow led me to find other humorous details.
Yeah, contrary to the myth of the "People's prison" that largely stemmed from the Cold War Period, the Austrian policy towards minorities was for the most part rather liberal. And thanks for the kind words :)
@@SirManateee Your presentation is enjoyable for me to watch. If you had an hour show it seems it would leave me riveted. The what is presented would never been brought to my attention and its better than discovering on my own. I really appreciate that. Thank You
@@SirManateeeyeah, was. They arent much better when it comes to "Kanacken" than their northern piefke brethren
@@SirManateee I strongly think you have just by accident ascribed the term "People's prison" to the Cold war period. It got nothing to do with the Cold war! If I am not mistaken the origin is in Italy during or maybe even pre-WW1.
@@SirManateee Ein Nachteil des 1867 Ausgleiches ist es, dass Ungarn damit etwas ein Gefängnis Völker wurde, wo ungarische Adlige der Herr waren. Anders als Österreich , keine Toleranz Politik befand sich in Ungarn und Ungarisch war die einzige "herrschende" Sprache in Ungarn. Man kann sogar es sagen, dass die größte Freiheit, die der Ausgleich der ungarischen Herrschaft überließ, die Freiheit, ohne Einschränkung in Ungarn andere Minderheiten zu verfolgen, ist.
Thank you for this! Did not expect you to talk about my people. Thank you!
Great video.Though it's no surprise given the history between Austria and Czechia, I was not aware of the heavy Czech immigration to and presence in Vienna! I love this channel for its exploration of broadly (though not exclusively) Central European history in English. It definitely fills an English language void on RUclips. Vielen Dank, Sir Manatee!
I count my year of living in Vienna as one of the happiest in my life. This was in a very different time and circumstances (1989, fall of the Berlin Wall and communism in Czechoslovakia), but this video is hugely relevant to me as a Czech finding a refuge first in Austria and later in Canada. A fascinating history, thank you!
What a delightfully niche and informative channel! And one of my favorites. Always something I never would have known about otherwise. Super interesting stuff. Idk if you’ll ever get big, but it’s good quality content to be sure
Great and interesting video. I live in the Czech Republic, and I had a couple of my students tell me that their parents were born in Vienna in the thirties and forties. Also, I do know people in Austria with Czech surnames.
If you lived in Moravia, then Vienna was closer for you than Prague. And since this was basically the same country, it made sense to just go south.
When visiting Vienna, I really enjoyed reading the Czech sounding names everywhere: Horatschek, Kopetschek, Nowak...
That explains why Vienna always felt like home whenever I visited from Prague. 😅
My grandmother came from Bohemia to Vienna with her parents and they stayed here. I am part austrian and part czech
Sadly my week-long train journey to Vienna among other cities were cancelled, but this is a nice comfort treat!
A week-long journey? :o what would have been your travel route?
@@SirManateee Completely normal phenomenon with České Dráhy.
Another intresting case is Berlin, to rebuild after the thirty years war it invited Hugenots from france and at the time it was 1/5 of Berlins population. They had their own church and justice system. They also developed many industries in the cities.
And after Napolean, as a protest they fully germanized.
@@ryanjuguilon213indeed although the thirty years war ended in 1648 and France despite its own repression against the hugenots would side with the Lutheran protestants against the Austrians an interesting process of alienation like we see in Ukraine today with the switch from Russian to Ukrainian language. Although I expect after 120 years the edict of Nantes being revoked in 1685 the hugenot a Calvinist polity community had become more bilingual anyway and French was becoming more of community language but dealing with wider population would have been in German and would have seen themselves as more as Germans of french ancestry rather than French expatriates and emigres in Germany Interestingly revolutionary France afforded a right of return to the decendants of those banished from the territories of the French crown this was the first right of return legislation globally
It's worth noting that in WW1 the Yiddish speaking Jewish community in London began to speak English and saw themselves as British citizens of Jewish ancestry rather than German or Polish Jews in England. At the same time the German speaking community in the USA began to speak English at home instead rather than just for dealings with outsiders
i never realised vienna had (and in small part still has..) a czech minority
well very good video man keep up with it
nice pfp
500.000 people in Vienna are of full or partial Czech origin.
@@ekesandras1481 and that will raise over time. Czech world domination is inevitable.
This channel really deserves, and I'm sure will get many more subscribers
Great video, I am Czech of Austrian/Polish roots. I have Austrian roots from Niederösterreich and Polish roots from Krakow, which was Austrian back in time. My father has Polish surname, my mother a German one. I think we have still a similar mentality, love for nature, wandering etc. Its pitty we are not in the same state anymore. Gruß nach Wien von Brünn, Südmähren!
I watched a three part documentary on the Austro-Hungarian Empire last year and recently watched the multipart drama on Kafka, who was Bohemian. So this video makes much more sense now
This is amazing video ...Yes , Iam from South Moravia and yes ,I have a family in Vienna ,from my father side .They used to live in Favoriten ,not sure where their kids moved out.
Vienese phone book is more Czech than Prague one .....🙂
another great video from you. you're just picking so many interesting topics that really peak my interest, not to mention the quality. you're the best out there and i wish more people knew about you
That's so kind of you, thanks :)
Very interesting, thank you for the video!
Now Vienna is the second largest Serbian city after Belgrade 😎
Bobo-Serbs.
I’m a Czech-American and it’s cool to hear about this. My family was from Moravia and my area I grew up in had a lot of Czechs and even had towns with names like Prague, Bruno (anglicized from Brno), Tabor and Elba (After the Vltava River.) Never knew Vienna had this many Czechs but it makes sense. My 23 and me has a lot more German than I expected (my moms family is of German descent from Schleswig-Holstein) but I’m sure my dad had some German blood. There was even some from ancestry from Poland and the Balkans. It was all one empire though so I’m sure there was some mixing. Also, it’s interesting how you mention agricultural problems and people being recruited. The American railroads had been given land and sold it to many immigrants including Czechs. I’ve even seen recruiting posters put out by railroads like Union Pacific in the Czech Language advertising lands in the Midwest.
Amazing attention to historical perspectives. I love the addition of print media from the era for the same reason
You never fail to make an interesting video!
Thanks, mate :)
I got three friends in Vienna. One is Hungarian, one Bosnian and the other German. Love the city.
Awesome work with your use of sources and visual materials. It stands out from the rest!
A Video about Karl lueger would also be interesting
I think he was one of the most important Mayor of Vienna
And sadly inspirierd others
It's very high up on my to-do-list ;)
Interestingly Prague had a similiar situation as until 1850 it had a german speaking majority. But at that time people were a lot more interchangeable as some people with german names were part of the czech party and some people with czech names declared themselves as austrians.
Prague definitely did not have "German speaking majority until 1850". You probably confuse it with the official language of city's administration which was Czech+German until circa 1850 (and Czech only afterwards)
@@letecmig It did have a german speaking majority until 1850. The adminstration was also until the 1870 only in german und in earlier times in latin. Only in the 1870s it became a joint czech-german adminstration by law. There was no only czech speaking adminstration, all people had to know german and czech since 1870 or they got fired.
@@Echoak95 What you write is simply not true. But If you have sources of your information, it would be great if you could show them:)
Fact is that ethnic(language) composition of Prague citizens was first captured in census on 1880. Out of 330k of citizens of Prague, 81% were Czechs, 12% Germans, 6% self-declared Jews (many Jews at that time declared themselves based on their language as Germans or Czech so not included there)
Before that, no official census capturing ethnic affiliation exists.
But your idea that in 1850 Germans were 51% and dropped to 12% in a span of 30 years is just a nonsense.
You may be confusing term "majority german speaking" with "able to speak german as first or second language to some extent", than that might be true in 1851 in Prague as many Czech citizens of Prague were able to speak German to some extent as well. But based on this metrics you could call Prague now "majority english speaking" .:)
@@letecmig From Wikipedia (History of Prague): For most of its history Prague had been an ethnically mixed city with important Czech, German, and Jewish populations. Prague had German-speaking near-majority in 1848, but by 1880 the German population decreased to 13.52 percent, and by 1910 to 5.97 percent, due to a massive increase of the city's overall population caused by the influx of Czechs from the rest of Bohemia and Moravia and also due to the assimilation of some Germans.
It is btw. similar for Budapest.
Amazing video!
PD: The German accent made it better while talking about the Viennese.
PD2: The guy that want to stop immigration just from another region of the same country must have been hilarious.
PD3: 1/5 of their earnings went to rent. Nowadays, it can be 1/3 or more. Sad times.
Nowadays 2/3 of income left is still bigger amount than 4/5 back then, also standard of living is higher.
@@leoprg5330 No. A working class family could still afford a house up until the 90's (in my country at least).
We were made to believe that having a computer, a cellphone, one vacation is better but: HOUSE > ANYTHING ELSE
I love your videos about Vienna, please make more!
Great video! Can you make a video about Czech politicians in the Austrian Parliament please or about the Czech soldiers in the Austrian army. Would be great!!
Czechoslovak soldiers were just better (biased but we took over siberia with 60,000 men)
It is funny to think that there was a point (early 20th century) when by population - 3 largest "Czech" cities were Vienna, Prague and then Chicago.
"How Vienna became the largest Czech city"
*Přemysl Otakar II. himself, the king of iron and gold, has awoken from his grave to conquer Vienna once again*
That works
@@SirManateeethat would be quite interesting video, about town's Wich have Přemysl ancestry like Marchegg etc.... 😅
No, that fact of Czech and Austria is not new: They are neigbours, and this movement is normal
What a fantastic and fascinating video, I really enjoy your channel and as a Prague-born with a German surname who loves Vienna, this video was a personal favourite.
I’m not sure if you accept recommendations but I think a related video on the Germans in Prague would be equally interesting. For anyone interested, the American historian of Central Europe, Chad Bryant has a fascinating book called “Prague: Belonging in the Modern City” where each chapter describes the city throughout its history through the eyes of one (actual historical but not super well known) person from a minority (ethnic, political etc.). The chapter on the Germans in Prague is super interesting. Bryant also wrote a few academic papers on the issue of Germans and Czechs, and discusses their cohabitation and national struggles brilliantly in his book Prague in Black (which focuses on the Nazi period but it’s a much wider discussion with fascinating and well-balanced insights; in general, I find that well-meaning and interested American historians often tell the least biased histories of our region). But there are of course many other sources.
A video about the Prague Germans might happen one day, thanks for the suggestion :)
Im a so called „Russian German“ basically a ethnic German who comes from Russian lands, but my surname is a germanized Czech name Krupke (Krupka). My grandpa lived with his family in Ukraine and he also speaks a rather south German dialect so I really wonder if there is a Czech background in my blood which would be amazing for me as I always lovef Czechia and Prague.
Beautiful video. Didnt think it would be so nice to hear this story
Very nice video, thank you for very much.
Very interesting video!
Recently I’ve learned about same thing but with Ukrainians in Europe prior to USSR. Like there were Ukrainian kindergartens, schools and two Ukrainian universities in Czech Republic. We had publishing houses with books in Ukrainian language almost in every country that are now in the EU (we were banned to speak & write in Ukrainian at home due to Valuev Circular).
I spoke to one old old Czech gentleman (we walk our dogs in the same park), he was a professor at Charles University, and he told me all of this.
And we were belittled by ruzzians for the last century with "your language is our language", "you don’t have a culture, it’s our culture", "you are nothing without us". And it rooted so hard in us. And he opened my eyes by saying we weren’t a working class in Europe, like we are right now, but due to oppression last centuries, ukr intellectuals moved to the west. This man told me in Czech Republic it used to be many Ukrainian architects, teachers, poets, doctors. Before the iron curtain and the third reich.
Didn't the National Revival Cz's like Jungmann also look to Polish & Ukr languages for names for Months or other words to exchange for German imports ?
Very interesting and informative content. Thanks!
Very interesting video, also for me as a retired history teacher, living in Vienna
Thanks for the video
Odersberg (Bohumín) is not Moravian city but is it city in Těšín country that was part of so called Habsburk Salesia . Smal portion of of Sallesia thta remain uder Habsburk contorl and now its part of Czech republic .
As a Viennese, I've said for a long time that Vienna is the only German speaking Slavic city in the world.
Not because of Czechs tho. Nowadays it’s the people from balkans
@FilipMoncrief Czechs are surely less of the new population, but only Balkans isn't true. There is a huge contingent from Poland, Slovaks, who got tired of going back and forth, now at the moment, something like 80.000 Ukrainians, although their number is going down.
The biggest single group of immigrants, believe it or not, of 2022 are Germans.
@@marcusott2973 tbh I don’t find it too hard to believe, suprising sure tho. Vienna is a good city, especially when you’re coming from places like Saxony
on a similar note. Currently a city with highest Polish population in the world... is Chicago, with about 200k more polish people/people of Polish descent, than Warsaw, and the difference in population used to be even higher.
The “Symbolic picture” is exactly how I imagine Austrian cafeteria food
The former Czech and Moravian influence on Austria is evident in Austrian politics: Kreisky, Sinowatz, Wranitzky, Klima, Prokop-Sykora, Sobotka,...
old joke in Vienna: Q: "What is the difference between the Prague and Vienna phonebooks?"; A: "300 km"
In Franconia, you'll also hear Kren instead of Meerrettich. I think that also because of the people from the Sudetenland...
Hello !! I am Austrian-Argentine, and my parents always told me that we originally are Czech while all their papers were Austrian and German. So I do not have any Czech documentation, and my grandparents were registered in Argentina as "Argentine" on arrival. The nationality was given instantly. Who knows, I prefer to be Argentine anyway.
Can you imagine something as horrendous as having to pay 1/5 or your income in rent!? How inhumane! I'm so happy things are better today
It's quite funny that people from Brno (CZ) had the same view of where they belong and considered themselves only Brno people, because most of them spoke German and didn't fit into Moravia. When there was a vote in 2018 regarding the new name of the main station in Brno, Vienna-North was in 4th place. In the past, the whole of Moravia was a largely independent territory and was closer to Austria than to Bohemia. This can be seen even today. Although even families and other bonds were broken up after World War II and the Iron Curtain. At the same time, even today, many Moravians go to work in Vienna. And it is not reasonable to swear in Czech there, because they understand. In addition, the journey from Brno to Vienna takes less time than to Prague.
Vienna N ? That is hilarious !
Nice video! But there is a little tiny flaw Oderberg (Bohumín) is not in Moravia but in Czech (Austrian) Silesia
Těšin Salesia
im living in vienna/favoriten and recently a czech friend settled in vienna for work. he was surprised how many people from other countries than austria live in vienna ^^ for me its totally normal that u can hear slavic languages or turkish on the street and in public transport all the time
Bohemia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, so it is no wonder, that so many Bohemian people lived in Vienna. Silesia, however, was part of the kingdom of Prussia since 1757, following the Austro-Prussian so-called 7-year war. There was hardly any immigration of Silesean people into Austria in the 19th century.
It’s quite sad that Vienna and Prague didn’t grow much closer since they are both in the EU: I think there’s so much more potential and I would love an increased cultural mixing between them. Also with Ljubljana - I always feel that these three cities (and countries) are culturally the closest you can get, yet pleasantly unique. The shared history is fascinating and offers a lot of potential, yet often it feels it’s completely dormant, perhaps buried. But also Budapest, Bratislava, Trieste, Zagreb, Krakow, Lviv, Timisoara, Cluj… It all feels like one civilisation and the EU offers so much opportunity for a deeper integration and revival of the historical connection between these places, at least in culture. But I’m not sure there’s much apetite for it apart from a few of us… But I’m certain the viewers of this channel are among them :)
Beautifully written :)
great video
Great video and cheers from Czechia! Be careful with those czech town names though. Mixing german and czech names for czech towns is after protectorate Bohemia and Moravia kinda sensitive for us Czechs...
Very interested in the anticzech sentiment of the viennese municipality - only heard about the antijewish one.
Great job and good day to you sire!
Thanks for your feedback! I can sort of understand that sentiment, but those German names have been in frequent use since the medieval era and it makes sense to use them when talking about this particular time period.
The anti-jewish sentiment was prevelent at the same time and I plan to make a video on that as well :)
@@SirManateee certainly! We also have czech names for german and austrian towns and cities - Graz=Štýrský Hradec (steier burg), Salzburg=Solnohrad (literally the same but in czech), Königsberg = Královec (Kings own) and so on. But today we see these names as sort of historisms and generally noone uses them.
I look forward to your next video!
@@jannovak4663 I don't see the issue with the use of Solnohrad etc when talking Czech. While I personally prefer using the local name, if they aren't incredibly hard to pronounce for a German speaker, there are tons of city names which are different one way or the other from the local language. Oddly enough, only when it comes to Old Austrian locations, there has been a push to change the German names to the local ones. That has lead to the use of names which are incredibly difficult to pronounce to a German speaker, which are consequently commonly butchered and thereby turned into a German version yet again. I think there are two factors at play here. Due to the long years of the iron curtain people have lost connection to the old places and they didn't mean anything to them anymore and so when the iron curtain fell, people could get used to the newly discovered other side with the local names just as well.
PS: When we are talking about Brünn, this wasn't some foreign name used when foreigners were talking about a foreign place. This name was used back in the days by the majority of the local population (within the historical municipal borders, in the historical suburbs it was the other way round, making the place all in all very much bilingual). If one likes it or not and those people weren't invaders either, they had by far and large a long history in that place. During the Nazi rule there were crimes, persecution and ethnic cleansing directed against the Czech speaking population. I disagree with the opinion of some Czechs however that this justified the murderous ethnic cleansing in the opposite direction that followed after WWII.
@@sagichnicht6748 Yeah could be that. The whole national situation in Bohemia, Moravia and especially Silesia was incredibly difficult in that time and also as u mentioned utterly differently viewed by the people at that time. I was talking more bout todays situation. These pseudogerman-czech divisions which are used sometimes by czech populists politics are today nonexistent..
THX And good day to ya
@@jannovak4663 Not sure what you mean by "pseudogerman-czech divisions".
14:10 Couldn’t the fact that most Czechs in Vienna claimed that they were German speakers be explained by them actually being Bohemain or Moravian Germans?
Not quite, because immigration was highest in overwhelmingly Czech-speaking lands. By comparison, the German speaking areas were largely unaffected by this phenomenon
@@SirManateee got it. Thanks for replying.
their surnames tell different
Austrian censuses traditionally didn't ask for what language ones parents spoke, but for the "Umgangssprache", translating to English as everyday language, or the language you use primarily.
So they didn't claim that they are German, they claimed that they primarily speak German.
Not like nationalist sentiment was a big thing in the lands of the imperial council outside of the higher classes before WW1.
@@eingrobernerzustand3741exactly. People today too often judge history with modern nationalistic standards
... Palatschinken aren't pancakes. They are much thinner and closer to crêpes. Tss, only a german could make such a mistake ...
Anyway, thanks for the video!
My inner Piefke will never leave me it seems
@@SirManateee Austrians don't know what pancakes are: if it is thin, than it is a Palatschinken, if it is thick than it is a Schmarrn, something inbetween doesn't exist.
That bigass jar of Powidl caught me off guard lol
haha, just had a date with a czech girl - and she is living in Landstraße. Traditions have to be valued.
The claim that Czechs made up about 25% of Vienna's ethnic population (even if only at one point) is hyperbole. Vienna was (jokingly) referred to as the second largest Czech city. Other than that, though, thanks for the pretty nicely done video (although with some inaccuracies). By the way I came from Czech Republic and now I am studying this theme:)
1:07 holy shit, I have a photo from that exact angle from about the same time as this video was uploaded
Now I feel vindicated for every silly alternate history map I've made with Vienna as the capital of Czechoslovakia.
I dont fink so.
I knew that Vienna is slavic. I felt that vibe
7:40 "In general workers gave away one fifth of their income just to have a place to sleep". That didn't get any better today in the Czech Republic!
The most notable Czech Vienner was of course the son of a humble trouser-specialised tailor Leopold Cimrman: Jára.
10:28 .. it's "differed", not "differentiated". Two different words and different applications.
1: A and B differ from each other.
2: You need to differentiate between A and B.
I think you make a mistake of basically talking about issues/patterns general to all immigrants to Vienna(austrian and non-austrian) between 1850-1900....., and make it something specific to Czech immigrants.
Vienna's total population grew from 500k to 2mil between 1850-1900. Fourfold increase mainly due to migration from rural areas (austrian and non-austrian).
Vast majority of immigrants were naturally from rural Austrian and other german speaking territories. And patterns of housing, professions, tough living conditions were similar for all those industrialization era rural immigrants to Vienna(or any other industrializing city of that era) .
Czechs immigrating were logically quite visible part of this immigration wave that quadrupled the Vienna's population between 1850-1900 due to the language plus higher numbers than other non-german speaking immigrants(given by territorial proximty to Vienna)
But I do not think social issues or employment patterns you have described were different from the vast majority of Austrian rural immigrants to Vienna at the same time.
Census is so old and common, it is literally the canonical background for the nativity gospel.
Lovely video!
Maria Theresa's son, Joseph also had a census
Really very interesting
Were there any notable number of Hungarian immigrants in Vienna?
Much less so, as Austria and Hungary were somewhat autonomous within the common monarchy. There were however some Hungarians moving to Vienna too and there are also some Hungarian names to be found among "real Viennese" nowadays.
6:42 I doubt "Workers' flats" is the correct term for what we can see in this old photograph.
It shows some housing traditional for Vienna. Probably there were people living there together all under one roof who had a workshop, like a carriage producer, a smith, a taylor,... just small trade and craftsmen. You can also see the stuff they needed for their work lying around in the yard. Sure these were not flats built by the huge companies to house their workers, bricklayers etc.
In the background you can see how the houses built in the 19th century, the Gründerzeit, have already washed away all the older and smaller houses and surely they were also to come to wash away the (18th? century) houses visible in the foreground like a huge and unstoppable tsunami.
This picture shows the more or less free and not overregulated craftmen's housing, lifestyle of the pre- or maybe protoindustrial age vs. the rectangular shaped yet beautifully decorated housing for people of the industrial age.
Today we see the houses of the background as beautiful. But it is a huge contrast to the original feeling and ambient of Vienna as can be seen in the foreground. We must never forget where we come from!
The immense contrast - one could really say between to worlds - a clash of ideas, lifestyles and household structures is what is fascinating in this image.
You see the world living without clock
being washed away by the world clocked by the unbearable and never ending knocking of a pendulum onto the souls of our human race.
I have one suggestion of something similar :D The Hungarian Minority in Bucharest :D
All of this sounds oddly familiar.
So was Prague a german city until around 1850.
we should´ve annexed Wien into the first republic ok got it
Weird. In Bohemia proper, Czech was almost relegated into a servant's tongue for centuries. I wonder what encouraged the change of policy.
National self-awareness as with many other European countries in the 19th century
something called "národní obrození" happened :)
wow! Such a knowledgeable walrus.
very interesting
Make oe about Slovaks in Budapest
Die Tschechei war ein Teil von Österreich, also waren Tschechen keine Ausländer.
Böhmen und Mähren waren Teil des Kaisertums Österreich. Die Tschechei war nie Teil Österreichs.
@@alfredttarski4521 Trotzdem hätte keiner einen Tschechen in Wien als Ausländer gesehen. So wie wir heute keinen Baiern als Ausländer sehen.
On the other hand Prague has a large German speaking minority
Still ?
Something which angered Hitler no end he saw Vienna as multicultural cesspit and Berlin as representative of the true German population
That's why HItler hated Czechs the most.
7:40 Well today we give away about 1/4rth or even 1/3rd of our income to have a place to sleep in Vienna :D
Hausing has always been a problem hear.
Kinda ironic how Vienna is know for being more affordable than other large European cities.
@@FictionHubZA I woud have nothing agenianst the city buying out all flats in the city and eliminate the hausing maket compleatly.
In Viena?