Welding thin gauge steel with stick welder
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- How to weld thin gauge steel similar to car body panel, down to .8mm or 1/32 of an inch thick with arc or stick welder.
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Thanks for not editing out the stick getting stuck before you got a good arc going, it really helps people realise how hard keeping an arc on thin at low amperage can be and that you shouldn't just expect to find it completely perfect straight on.
I fully agree. I am a total novice and it is good to see that others struggle with the rod sticking. It tells me that it is not neccessary something that I am doing wrong. I am going to try this since I need tons of practice.
Seems like hes welding ac tranformer and it is extra hard to Start comparing modern dc computers.
Well, for anyone who has ever attempted to arc weld their own car, you'll know how well this guy just did. All negative comments are just from armchair welders.
Show me a car that has 1.6 mm steel in it dick head usually .5
I think you're beyond chair welder
@@breambitch Hey widemouth...The rod is 1.6mm...The workpiece 0.8mm. So take it easy.
@@breambitch Arse
@@breambitch Hole
Another one is to cut your rods in half. It makes for more precise arc manipulation. I use pliers/sidecutters to cut the rod into two half rods, and break the flux off the end which you would normally strike up with. The arc is much easier to get started at low currents, if theres a little spikey "burr" or "chisel point" at the end of the rod, from cutting. Sometimes I even just snip off a quarter inch from the full rod to get that burr.
You made that look too easy! I know my attempts on thin stuff look like I'm trying to make a colander.
LOL
😂😂Same
I am laughing so hard and I know why, LOL. But I am getting better now.
Best comment 🤣🤣
i also weld sheet metal like you do in this video... the funny thing is that it turns you into a pro when you actually use a good mig... but i still havent bought one because i do it like you..... good video...i dont think people understand how hard it can be to get the arc going with low amps...
sriking the arc is pure talent at low amps
Maybe lean your stick even closer to the workpiece to so the rod doesnt stick since the are at the side of the rod.
good tip about getting the rod hot on a spare piece of metal first . Commonsense perhaps but I haven't seen that tip mentioned anywhere else and it sure would have helped me if I saw it earlier today lol.
What I would like to see is the settings and rod guage for that particular weld would have been helpful to a novice like me.
Excellent tutorial thanks buddy
Supposedly if you keep the electrodes in an airtight container or heat it up in the oven prior you dont have to do a warm up on scrap. However, I always do the scrap method since it is convenient and I'm not a professional.
I usually just use my everlast mig welder for everything now but when I did stick weld heating them up made everything more consistent for me. I've never used an oven before.
This guy is a master (and reminds me of my uncles, who were post depression era farmers. No nonsense and able to get the job done with what they had). Nice how to vid.
The generations who lived through the Depression and WWII were some of the hardest working, creative people I have ever known.
Superb. The only video I found so far for such a thin sheet. I always thought getting stuck to the sheet was a bad idea... Turns out that's the way to do it..
Also heard on thin stuff to move rod in small circles for better work
Still watching your videos 7 years later. My favourite was the brake pipe tool one and I bought the one you used. Now there's a complement!
I wonder how many people have to fight the urge to squint their eyes when they watch a vid of someone welding, because they think that the video and computer screen is actually going to damage their eyes lol. I have to remind my self that I don't need eye protection to watch a youtube vid everytime I see something like this lol...
I have used a stick welder before. Do as mentioned and like this video shows. Take your time on a cars body. I generally use my 80 amp flux core mig welder. I do short tack welds until I fill in the majority of a panel. I then grind the surface smooth and cover with filler.
I am in awe of this mans skill.
I have never used stick before but this is really making me consider buying one.
WOW! I'm from Tennessee so I didn't understand a word you said. But I didn't have to! Thanks for the demonstration! I've got to teach myself how to do this now. Thanks!
That's the Spirit!!
He's speaking Dublinese
You're certainly one of the best teacher's I've had.
Here's to ya!
This gives me a little bit of confidence. Thank You. Dragging my stick welder out to patch a hole in the bottom of a 1/32" oil pan. Overhead 1/32" 7014. = /
I probably would have just used engine parts cleaner followed by steel epoxy. Did you manage to patch it?
I have done lots of welding with the smaller amp welders. Just have to make sure everything is clean, and when welding material together bevel the corners with a grinder this will give you a much stronger weld joint. Move your weld pool slow with the lower amp machines to keep your metal hot.
im trying to do this but my machine does not go below 60A and its very hard
0:54 - "But you need the automatic ham."
I don't get why everyone has a problem understanding him, this is clear as a bell.
what is automatic ham?
Why didn't you show us the result?
Good job. I had trouble hearing your voice though so I might have missed a detail or two.
This is a real talent being able to do this without a reducing diode gun well done mate
That takes some real skill on a cheap buzz box type arc welder like that one. I've got an old Oxford oil cooled that can go as low as 25A but at 80 OCV which makes the thin stuff alot easier. The simplicity of a transformer arc welder is great in having so little to fail. I don't weld very often, but before I do I just chuck as many rods as I'll need in the oven for half an hour before hand to ensure they're bone dry.
Thanks for Posting. All your videos are very practical.
Thats 100%right to do.
Especially doing car bodywork. In fact hightech mig welder have function like spot weld or tack weld-it just cut off and on current while welder just keep moving like doing regular weld.
.8 mm I believe is 21 gauge. I've been going crazy with 22 gauge, 21 gauge, have tried flux core, oxy-ace, and even TIG. I tried simple old stick yesterday and may have had my best result so far! It's a little hard to hear what is being said in this video, but replay helps a lot, it is very helpful- thank you. Look how fast and how little fuss there is here, just keep the stick hot and go, easy to stop and go too. With my a/c flux core I'd burn right through beyond a tack. With TIG it's grinding tips which get stuck and burning through trying to see a puddle.
I played around a lot with thin gauge steel during my seven semester classes of welding at a junior college. That's thin sheet metal to be arc welding even with 1/16" electrodes, unless you are just tack welding. Even laying down 6013 with DC and a tight arc is going to burn through. For me, a good ground on light gauge mild steel helps. TIG or pulsed TIG with a properly ground uncontaminated electrode is the way to go for thin steel. Check out Jody Collier on his channel Welding Tricks and Tips for other great tips.
Are you welding indoors? Have you tried using MIG with .023 wire? That should be worth looking into, especially for stitching together car panel repairs.
@@mikeca98 i went with a second hand flux core instead of mig (probably a mistake) then i went to tig and got the argon.
@@mikeca98 if i did not see it with my own eyes i would agree, how can stick not burn up the metal if flux core and even tig does, but i've seen it, must be very gentle stick welder, i'm sure it has hf startup because the tig function does.
Nice video but for an old hard of hearing veteran some on screen notes to help give a clue as to what you are saying would be much appreciated.
All negative comments for smart people who never try by there self have no talent never will, nothing happens by sudden we need try otherwise we dummy behind black box!!!!
Thank you mate for your time well done 👍😎
very talented skill. Ive managed to do it after a lot of practice great video thanks!
Well done, that took some skill to get right
Great video thanks. Best video on welding sheet metal on youtube.
Colour me impressed, once you got the pool started that looked like it came up pretty well!
So what rod was used and the amp setting?
Hello bsm,Just watched all of you videos and enjoyed them, you make welding look so easy, you have given me the inspiration to pull out my welder, which has been siting in garage for years, and try to do some of the mods and things that you have done.Thanks for giving me a new interest I needed one.
Thats a good question. I've just started doing this as practice and I'm tackwelding at intervals, then coming back and tackwelding between the existing welds, finishing with grinding. Finding it difficult to guess the correct current.
A lot of these great videosnassume you have some experience., where do you place the negative terminal in relation to the stelel you are welding ?
Over forty years ago I saw a workshop where the welding electrodes were kept in an old filing cabinet, in the bottom shelf they had installed a light globe which was permanently left on - this tiny addition of constant heat kept the rods warm and dry,
what is the thickness of the welding rod you used and what number ?
I bought a little device shaped a bit like a door wedge, it attached to the work magnetically and on its top surface was a slab of graphite. You struck up your arc on the graphite which it did much easier than on the workpiece and then quickly moved down onto the work. It made the initial strike up much easier.
Excellent at the end of the day if you're stuck its the difference between getting it done and not getting it done?
well.. whipping is another great method that also leaves an actual weld, instead of small tacks leading towards a weld.
Happy to know im not the only one to get my stick stuck
Nice tips. Thank you
Hi I have recently purchased a stick welder, (arc welder.. have used it a couple of times but have no actual experience or have never used a welder in my life before hand.. so thought ide have a go as am very interested in it so I thought sod it. Been waching couple of your videos and a other ones on you tube before I used the machine. Have tried welding sheet metal but rather than making welds am just making big holes in the work peice. Can anyone one give me some tips please.
I've never seen a stick welder that small lol. As long as it does the job is all that matters.👍
Help with this question
A welder qualified to make arc spot welds on 20 gage steel deck is also qualified to weld:
a. 22 gage steel deck
b. 18 gage steel deck
c. 18 through 22 gage steel deck
c. None of the above
What kind of rod are you using? 6013? 7018?
Very helpful video. I have some 1mm stainless flue pipe to weld and will be trying with 1.6mm 316 stainless rods and a DC inverter welder. The rods are designated DC positive which I understand means that the rod tip gets hotter than the workpiece which I guess will help? I'll probably lift the rod for a couple of seconds every half inch or so like you did here
I want to repair a small dovetail saw plate which a piece has corroded off of. Could I weld a piece onto it?
I wish I understood what he was saying. Seems like a really smart guy though.
Very nice job. gotta make due with what we have. thank you.
hi! may i weld 2 or 3mm galvanized wire with 2.5 mm stick? i couldn't find thinner size and welding machine is working 50-250 A. thanks.
plz mention the power rating or current you used in that process
Why was the gauge of the sheet metal and the power setting on the machine? And the stick specs?
I noticed that these 6013 1/16" electrodes behave like 7018; they have the glassy coating on the tip and it has to be removed with file or you have to bang it until they strike arc. Like the videos and what you can do with chipper welder
Very nice demo
in the prosess of welding the back of a cone hopper that is attached to a tractor to use it as a forge hood but having trouble welding aloy sheet steel to the thin sheet steel to make the back of the hood any advise will be wellcome thanks
is it possible to do this with a stick welder that has 'hot start' ?
Now this is a lap joint...But a butt weld can also be done. Did it a few times in the past. Of course, MAG welding is easier in this case. But sometimes you can't choose.
Nice job, ill keep that in minde when im welding bicycles. :)
@jujitsuman68 I'm just saying... What if all you have or can afford, is a stick welder?
What was the Amps on the welder?
For a cheap AC buzz box that's a great weld. What rods are you using 6013? and what size?
WOW, guy is like arc welding Yoda
not sure if this has been mentioned below, but there is a lovely smoke ring around the 2:09 mark... thanks for the great video. I'm just going out to get some thin welding rod :-)
I will try with my everlast stick welder. Many thanks
Nice job, 0.8 is super thin.
I did a follow up to that video that shows the weld clearly
Aup mate, could you do some more videos please, preferably stick welding, 6013, 6011 maybe more, thanks I enjoyed all the videos and videos of taking stuff apart or making stuff will do lol
How do you control deformation of the metal, for example if you want to do this on car body work?
that's it? what about the result? we don't know if it actually welded or not. it could of been cold and not fused the two plates properly.
A cold weld on 0.8mm? That's not easy at all
How the hell? Nice work mate, i've had a crack at welding small material and i fail everytime.
What rod you using
Great job.
Trying to repair a cracked floor pans on a car not easy awful thin
Excellent!
I wonder how many people making negative comments have ever done any welding?
Lol, pretty sure almost zero, as always online.
He said you need the automatic what ?
Thats how its done!
What's the best electrode and technique for welding steel to auto body panels?
Travis Shifflett thinner rod and low amps, there are 1.5mm rods and I think even 1mm
I've always regretted not learning to weld. I'm about your age and would like to learn how to weld thin gauge steel like you've shown in your video up to roughly 1/4". Automotive type applications mostly. Can you recommend a good starter welder for me? Any suggestions would be appreciated. And thank you for all your videos.
i weld my exhaust pipe with my arc welder got the nack of it now
Stick welding thin sheet metal is tough to master. I'm thinking about trying one of these everlast pulse mig machines. Pulsing the arc should help keep things cooler to reduce burn through. Stitching the weld should help too.
Im not a great welder or anything but I feel like he didnt penetrate all the way thru the whole weld, I would have liked to see the other side
It's thin metal. Anymore penetration would have blown a hole
What kind of base base metal and type of electrode did you use?
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Amp used to welding the metal? I can't get the arc started. I used 75 amp and it was too hot.
Under 35A with a 1.6mm rod as stated at the start of the video. If the welder you have has voltage options, going higher makes it easier to start and maintain the arc at low amps.
Matthew Jenkins Newbie here, 30A works fine on 1.4 and 1.6mm rods I buy here in Japan. I eventually figured out that cleaning the slag off the end of the rod is the key to restarting the arc, so I keep an ungrounded large coarse file next to me and just tap and drag to clean the tip of the rod.
ground to negative for deep penetration.... ground to rod holder and positive to ground for surface welds with less penetration
what electrodes are you using?
it says 1.6mm or 1/16 of a inch
What rod? What amperage?
backstreetmechanic
Hi, I dont know if i asked you already or not but
Hi, I am thinking of buying an Arc (stick) welder for repair work on my van which needs work doing to pass the mot test.
What AMPAGE would you suggest for general car work, it would need to be able to weld on front wings, cills, valances and also chassis work (ie floor pan rotted for etc)
Would a 100 AMP arc (stick) welder do that or would i need to go higher?
I have the choice of 3 types 100 AMP, 130 AMP and 160 AMP, the price goes up higher the more amps, which one would do what i need it to do?
Thanks great videos
SP330Y this is probably way to late now because you have probably already bought the arc welder but i would suggest a no-gas mig welder for car repair work but that's just my opinion.
+SP330Y For chassis work, the highest quality welds will be obtained from a TIG setup, however this is expensive and difficult to learn. If you are limited to stick welding, for structural welds try some 11018 rods at about the same current you would run a 7018 of the same diameter, and for sheet metal use 1/16" 6013 rods on DC electrode negative.
+SP330Y If you're gonna work on old cars and attach/fabricate motor mounts, I'd feel insecure with anything less than 200 amps, and even then I'd be disappointed about having to do so many passes in those scenarios.
I'd get a used stick welder, if possible. I bought a [incoln idealarc] 250/300 amp AC/DC welder with 50 foot leads for 125 dollars. It even has a capacitor that helps keep me from tripping the 50 amp circuit breaker. I haven't had problems with it.
Could you show what the weld looked like? Nice video btw.
very good!
What is he saying?
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that you can weld sheet metal with a stick, using 1.6mm or 1/16 of a inch rod, below 35 amps, using a scrap piece of metal, you a little bead to make and keep the rod hot, and when you weld your actual work peace, you go by little sections
+Takunrsx
Thanks. I need to weld 1.6 mm tube to 3 mm thick steel. This should work.
I'm not an english native speaker and can understand him perfectly. Apreciate he is sharing his knowledge.
I do. I just wish I could understand him.
Is that a copper top bench ? , that's awesome , I gotta get me one of those .
for a weld that's fifteen times stronger than the base metal... lmao
What rod are you using, just so I don't buy any! I didn't see any flux, plus you need more volume.
+David Spennachio that's what the rods look like with flux.
***** Yeah, been welding for more than 20 years, professional. Still want to know what rod was being used. Looked like a coat hanger...
well, if you get your head out of your ass, that info is right at the beggining of the video
Looks like a noob on his first day with a coat hanger trying to stick weld, under water, with one eye.
Nice work. 0.8mm is around 0.035 inches, 1/32", or 20 gauge steel in the USA. In the the video, I believe you said 1/16".
Stick welding thin material is tricky. I like the challenge, so it's a bit of a hobby of mine.
Try this without the massive heat sink close to the weld.
hahaha ,its warped u can see clear as day ,,try using some 10-20 mm copper or alloy under it
hot start would be nice although it would never pass a test with slag entrapment
+ryan lewis You aint taking test on that toy welder.
When welding 22gage 0.8mm material, if you can do it without burning a hole you have suceeded and slag entrapment is the least of your problems. Slag entrapment usually happens as you try to repair the holes you burned.
I hate these welding gurus who don't knock the slag off at the end to show the welding. What's the purpose of the video?
This is great! I only wish 1/16 electrodes were not so damn expensive!
Again you can weld it with a 3/32 in. or even a 1/8 in.
10 gauge is THICK
16,18, 20 gauge r thin